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Tuesday, October 19, 2021

Time to do something about guns

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Protesters marching on the offices of the NRA’s Capitol Hill office after the Sandy Hook shooting. (AFP)

I removed and delivered for destruction or non-violent use certain weapons in my house that are not primarily needed for self-defense or hunting.

An AR-15 and other assault style long guns went to a law enforcement agency that collects such weapons for demolition by have a foundry melt them down.  If I want (and I do) I can attend, verify that the weapons I wanted destroyed are there and then witness the destruction.

Will it make a difference in a society where mass shooting are frequent occurrences?  No.  But I have decided that my wife and have no real need for assault style weapons in a life where we have pistols and other long guns for self defense, marksmanship and hunting.

Selling the weapons were, in our opinion, a dangerous contribution to a society where too many such weapons are already in circulation.  Destruction was our only viable decision,

This means no assault style weapons, no sniper-related rifles or no other weapon with a primary use for illegally killing human beings can be found in our house.  Yes, we own models of weapons that are identical to those used for crimes of violence.  In today’s society with so many firearms out there, the ownership of a weapon, along with the proper training to use it, is necessary for self-defense.

We have pistols, primarily for self-defense.  I keep my marksmanship up to date with regular visits to the range.  We also have hunting long guns.  My wife and I grew up in hunting families and both hunt animals for food from time to time.  And I have some collector items that are in a secured gun-safe or on loan to museums.

Our decision to get ride of what we now consider unnecessary armament has been under consideration in recent months but became final after the killing of 49 victims and wounding 53 others in the Pulse night club in Orlando.

The killer used an assault style Sig Sauer MCX rifle as his primary weapon for the attack.

While assault style weapons are not the only weapons used to kill people they have become the “weapon of choice” in too many of the mass shootings in our country in recent years.

Besides the Orlando shooting, a man and woman armed with AR-style guns killed 14 and wounded 20 others at a holiday shooting six months ago.

The shooter who killed 12 and wounded 58 others in a crowded movie theater in Aurora, Colorado in 2012 used an assault style weapon.

That was the same year when a man armed with an assault style weapon killed 28 and wounded two at an elementary school in Newtown, CT.

A database compiled by Mother Jones magazine found assault style weapons used in seven of eight high-profile mass shootings since July of last year.

Over the last 10 years, the assault style weapons are the one used in 14 public shootings — half of those since June of a year ago.

I once owned a large arsenal of firearms.  I’m licensed to carry a concealed weapon.   I will maintain my CCP and certain weapons for self-defense and hunting.

As a life-long supporter of the Constitution, I feel the debate involving the Second Amendment has grown to extremist positions on both sides of the issue.  The amendment was, in my opinion, never intended as a license for anyone to own and use any weapon of their choice.  In a society ruled by laws, there can — and should — be necessary limitations to prevent violence.

Once a life member of The National Rifle Association, I dropped that membership because of the association’s “our way or nothing” opposition to rational attempts to bring our obsession with guns under control.

The NRA’s latest tirades following the Orlando massacre convinced me that more attention needs to be paid to their misuse of facts and use of misinformation to muddy the debate.

Before the Orlando massacre, the NRA-owned Republican majority of Congress stopped a modest proposal “to deny transfers of firearms to persons known or suspected to be engaged n conduct related to terrorism.”

The suggested rules were not, as claimed by the NRA, an assault on the second amendment,  The organization has used that lie too many times

As Dana Milbank wrote in The Washington Post:

The legislation couldn’t have prevented the massacre; it wouldn’t have taken effect for months. But it highlights an absurd situation: Lawmakers have known for a long time that those suspected of terrorist activities can legally buy guns, but the Republican majority, putting Second Amendment absolutism above modest national-security considerations, is refusing to fix the problem.

At least twice before, the same House committee had votes on the same proposal, and both times it was also defeated — in 2015, by a vote of 32 to 19, and 2013, 29 to 19. The Senate, for its part, voted down similar legislation in December, following the San Bernardino, Calif., killings.

In my opinion, America would be better served to return to the law that outlawed assault style weapons with one caveat:  Tightening the law to prevent slight modifications of the weapon design to allow continued sales through loopholes.

I also support a return to limits to magazine capacities.  Congresswoman Gabby Giffords went down from shots fired by a Glock semi-automatic pistol with a magazine that held 31 9mm rounds.

Although I own, and sometimes carry, a Glock 17 semi-automatic sidearm, I do not own or use the high-capacity magazines.  The 17-round magazine is more than enough and I could live with a 10-round one if the law that once placed such limits nationally were to go back into effect.

It is too bad that the NRA cannot live with some modest gun control proposals that might allow others to live on the bloody streets of America.  None of the proposals cited so often by the NRA attacks the second amendment.  It limits those who feel like they should dress up as wannabe soldiers and act like Rambo.

Proposed limitations could also save lives but saving lives is not part of the real reason the NRA plays political hardball.  The association gets most of its funding from the gun manufacturers and the primary purpose of the NRA is to protect gun sales and profits.

They, and the gun fanatics that follow their obnoxious and callous reasoning, don’t really care about gun safety or the increasing numbers of innocent victims who die at the hands of those who find it easy to buy weapons legally and then deploy them for illegal and violent purposes.

We have taken a small step to remove some weapons of unnecessary violence from circulation where gun ownership is, in my opinion, out of control.

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Copyright © 2016 Capitol Hill Blue

(Edited to add additional information and to correct typos.)

85 thoughts on “Time to do something about guns”

  1. It is the duty of every American, in my opinion, to be armed when reasonably allowed to do so, like in high school, and be taught how to use firearms.

    Doug Thompson, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution is to allow the American, a free people, to defend themselves against tyrannical government. Yes, that means even our current government. And if you don’t think our government can go rogue, just ask the Native Americans, Branch Davidians, and the folks at Ruby Ridge about that one!

    Other then the Swiss, we the American people, enjoy the benefit of being armed because the Founders understood, the 2nd Amendment was not about duck hunting but being allowed to form militias to defend their State, their communities from foreign powers, and defend against even their own government should ever become rogue.

  2. EVERYBODY except me reads the Second Amendment wrong. It is not about states forming militias and it is not about individual gun rights. The founding fathers did not like having British troops stationed in their home and definitely did not like the British Army being used on civilians to keep them in line. They wanted a very small regular army, one that was too small to control the people but at the same time wanted to be able to defend the free nation. So “a militia bring necessary to the security of a Free State” we allowed guns so those people could fight for the Free state, not against it. It was not put in there do we could rebel.

  3. More than 90% of NRA funding is paid by gun manufacturers as sales commissions on the sale of new guns. The NRA only cares about one thing, increasing sales of new guns. That’s it. If we changed the NRA funding so it came in the form of a million dollars for every person LESS than 30,000 accidentally killed by guns, you’d see them start talking facts instantly.

  4. I am sure we are all glad that you ‘saw the light’ and got rid of those ‘bad’ guns. Of course, as long as you were law abiding, the guns would never hurt anyone. I can never understand the short sighted thinking that the AR is the weapon of choice so get rid of them and the killing will end. We all know that will only be the beginning. The liberals will not stop until they have all the guns, however long it takes and then I hope that they live long enough to see what dumb asses they were. I, for one, am not going to give up my guns or ammo. They may come and try to take them but, it’s going to cost them. Nothing like a good old civil war. This poor Country is barely hanging together as it is. Between the racial conflicts, the immigration conflict and the sorry, good for nothing wanters, this Country is going to fall and the beginning of the final fall will be the gun bans.
    It’s nice to see a do gooder as long as they are not do gooding stupidly.

    • As a former NRA member I finally took my brains out of my ass when I realized “IT IS THE GUNS, STUPID”. Jim McKernon

  5. My dear writer there are no bad guns, just bad people. Just there are no bad cars, just bad drivers. This applies to everything in life too bad you’re to far removed from logic to see this. Follow your mind first then validate with your heart.

  6. You still have handguns in your home? If you really cared about public safety you would get rid of those handguns since they kill 10 times as many people as assault rifles!

  7. I am sorry but you gun control fanatics are aiming your anger in the wrong direction. Aim your anger at the politicians who allow these radicles into our country to convert them into our enemies. Why can’t our government control drugs coming into our country? Do we blame a automobile when some NUT drives into a crowd of innocent women and children(NO)? No we don’t, those of you who don’t understand the NRA are only looking for someone to blame other than our politicians and those multi culture individuals who are offended by our way of life. We have taken God and Prayer out of our everyday life and substituted it with anger, resentment and discord. Do I believe we everyone needs an assault rife, no I don’t, and the NRA doesn’t think so either. But they think we have a right to decide if we want one. A gun collector collects guns of all types not because he wants to shoot anyone or anything, he is a collector.The NRA is an organization that some politicians want to get rid of and they blame them for the ungodly deeds of others. I want the opportunity to protect my family ad loved ones. If you don’t think it will ever happen to you, GOOD LUCK, I wish it never does. And I wish I never have to use my guns to save a life. That is my choice as outlined in the BILL of RIGHTS. It not the time to revisit or amend the Bill of Rights. A lot of folks are saying look at Australia ok lets look. Do they allow the there that’s going on here, NO. They say “LIKE IT OR LEAVE IT”. I served in the US ARMY, I didn’t serve so we could give up our American rights. I didn’t serve so we could be denied our civil liberties. I didn’t serve so someone could tell me I can’t protect myself, my family outside my home. I didn’t serve so someone could take away my rights. I served to protect my rights and yours as well. Some of you need an escape goat. It NOT the NRA.

  8. I see a lot of assumptions being made here in the post and comments. You don’t want to own a gun that can be used to kill people. Please dispose of the other guns because they just as deadly, and please don’t try to infringe on my rights as a legal gun owner.

  9. Good for you! Your feeble attempt at some kind of point is a joke and giving up your weapons is just what the Government loves, they are not getting any of my firearms.

  10. And as to this author – are we supposed to be impressed with you giving away your guns? Most of us who have ours think you are either stupid, naive, uneducated, have never been assaulted and perhaps all of those. We LAUGH at you and your stupidity and fell sorry for your wife and kids! You are making them willing victims of anyone who wants to harm them.

  11. DJ – when a gang of five are coming at you, a pistol won’t help especially if you only have 5 rounds or 7 rounds. You need a shotgun and/or a modern sporting rifle to help take them out. why do you think the military gives their men and women both an M-1. M4 or M16 AND a handgun?? Hmmm// You obviously never have taken a gun course and probably don’t know how to shoot. I suggest you take the personal defense class from a group in Colorado Springs, called Academy Firearms Instruction that teaches uneducated and naive people like you why it is important to be able to defend yourself. You are a danger and willing to be a soft target – then I suggest you go to the middle east and let ISIS work on you.

  12. The Violence Policy Center, which admits to being an advocate for gun control, has stated that “due largely to their similar appearance to true assault rifles, assault weapons should be easier to regulate than handguns, for example. This is because assault weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons … increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.” Rest assured, however, that if they succeed in banning these their next argument will be to ban all semi-autos because, after all, they operate in exactly the same way.

  13. I grew up in WV trained in 22 rifles and shotguns , the fear is that if we give the government they take that extra step and take all the guns then what ? We need something , I remember banned 30 round clips for the 30 M1 carbine , cant remember why, then the SKS came along due to Bill Clinton signing the world trade agreement 250,000 came in fast cost about 29.00 dollars back then now cost 250.00 dollars the gun holds 12 rounds , we had to take the bayonet off the guns in order for them to become non assault weapons , , we are missing a point here, we need to make sure people know as terrorist or mentally ill people cant get their hands on the guns of any type , gun safes are a real way to help , but again who decides who is rational and who is not , that is the problem , not the NRA not the guns but people with a weird idea that their beliefs are right and the rest are not ,Spain did this in mexico and hung thousands of Indians if they would not cover to their religion I think this is the same mental state we face today only with greater fire power , this problem is not going away due to some law we need informants that know who is troubled and take action for the sake of others

  14. I really feel sorry for someone who uses a liberal rag like the Washington and another further left wing source like Mother Jones, as credible sources of information.

  15. I see that you are referencing people that have Mental Health problems, Maybe there’s a bigger problem with our Mental Health care system then with the firearm industry, where’s Obama care to deal with this.

  16. According to the FBI, there are approximately 100,000.000 gun owners in the United States today. That is half the adult population of the country.

    They own approximately 300,000,000 firearms.

    The reason why gun control legislation consistently fails is not because of the NRA, which has a membership of 3-5 million.

    The *reason* gun control legislation fails is because half the country opposes it.

  17. This is not a gun issue, it is a terror issue, and your inflammatory remarks are a joke. Statements like “primary use for illegally killing human beings”. The laws we have should prevent people from illegally doing anything. Add more laws just restricts what people who follow the law do.

    This is not a political issue but a rights issue. If you dont want an AR style rifle then dont buy one. But please dont tell me what I can own and what I cant.

  18. I’m a US Army veteran 2/502nd Inf. 101st Abn Div and carried a gun overseas in defense of this Country. I served proudly and honorably. GUNS BELONG ON THE BATTLEFIELD AND HUNTING FIELDS – NOT ON MAIN STREET, USA.

    • Mike Gilligan, first, thanks for your service. Second, do your asset protection specialists carry firearms as they guard the stores on Main Street, USA? Do you equip them to deal with an imminent crisis, or are they told to duck and cover and wait for the police (who also carry guns on Main Street, USA)? Are you aware of the North Hollywood bank robbery that took place in 1997? If you’re not, here’s a little background:

      “The North Hollywood shootout, sometimes also called the Battle of North Hollywood, was an armed confrontation between two heavily armed and armored bank robbers and members of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) in the North Hollywood district of Los Angeles on February 28, 1997. Both perpetrators were killed, eleven police officers and seven civilians were injured, and numerous vehicles and other property were damaged or destroyed by the approximately 1,750 rounds of ammunition fired by the robbers and police.
      “Standard issue sidearms carried by most local patrol officers at the time were 9 mm pistols or .38 Special revolvers; some patrol cars also were equipped with a 12-gauge shotgun. Phillips and Mătăsăreanu carried illegally-modified fully automatic Norinco Type 56 S-1s (an AK-47 variant), a Bushmaster XM15 Dissipator, and a HK-91 rifle with high capacity drum magazines as well as a Beretta 92FS pistol. The bank robbers wore heavy plate mostly homemade body armor which successfully protected them from handgun rounds and shotgun pellets fired by the responding patrolmen. A police SWAT team eventually arrived bearing sufficient firepower, and they commandeered an armored truck to evacuate the wounded. Several officers also appropriated AR-15 and other semi-automatic rifles from a nearby firearms dealer.” (from Wikipedia)

      This WAS Main Street, USA, sir. And, as a side note, you’ll note the last line above, that several officers appropriated AR-15 rifles in a bid to even the odds and protect the public. However, those “assault rifles,” as they are so often called, could not stop the assailants because (as you likely know) they fire one of the weakest rounds available.

      Does this post mean I want to see guns on Main Street? No, no more than I want any young man or woman to have to carry one in battle, but wars are a fact of modern civilization, and we are currently at war. Our cities are filled with people who think nothing of spraying a neighborhood with bullets from an illegally obtained weapon. Add to that a growing threat from people who’s idea of religion is to kill anyone who doesn’t think as they do. If I am confronted by either of these threats, or I see another threatened, I have a duty to protect the potential victims. This is the right thing to do, and it is what I swore to do when I (like you) took an oath to protect this country from any who wish to harm it.

  19. A few days ago, I read an article in which the daughter of the man who invented the AR-15 said that he intended it to be used only by the military and police. He did not believe it should be available to ordinary citizens. He didn’t own one and never had one in his house.

  20. How about those of us who collect guns for a hobby?? No one shoots at anybody, but we like to have a piece of history in our collections. Many guns are worth thousands of dollars in the collection market. Guns are an investment nd stored or used properly and legally can be a great source of pleasure for the owner(s).
    If you don’t like guns……….Don’t own one, look at any or touch any. Seems pretty simple to me.
    Those of us who do own guns legally and are properly trained in their use, both physically and morally,will fight to keep that right as outlined the second amendment of the Constitutions Bill Of Rights.
    Being a retired law enforcement officer, I carry a gun with me when off my property. I know what is locked up and also what is still out here running loose. I just don’t know who they are individually, and that is the scary part. If you wish to keep the attitude “it hasn’t happened to me” or “it wnon’t happen to me”, then good luck in your life. I sincerely hope you are right. I won’t take that chance with myself or my loved ones.

  21. The only thing the NRA has to do with this issue is it is an organization which is made up of almost 5 million registered voters.We have a say and you will hear it loud and clear

  22. Where is the reporting of the bipartisan bill that Harry Reid ordered senate Democrats to step away from that was proposed by a republican? It had the votes, it had what the Dems wanted but because it was done by a republican, Oh no wouldn’t want to make republicans look good. The issue at hand is not the guns, it is the 4th Amendment that guarantees “Due Process” to all citizens. How many rights are we as a people willing to surrender? Remember this. The assault weapons ban in 1994 was passed by a Republican controlled senate and allowed to expire under a Democrat controlled senate.

  23. The Second Amendment is not there in case the deer fight back…

    Congratulations. You may meekly march to your slaughter as the millions in the 20th century did. Me? I’ll not meekly submit to tyranny. Give me liberty, or give me death! (and I’ll take as many of the tyrants with me as I can!)

  24. The NRA is synonymous with The Republican Party. They are one in the same. The huge and vast money made from the sale of 357,000,000 guns now in the hands of Americans pays for every Republican in our government to make them rich. The Republican Party can’t do anything without the blessings from the NRA. Trump just payed the NRA a visit to ask them what they might do minuscule on Gun Control. The NRA makes our rules and runs the country. The NRA through the Republican judges and politicians they own twisted the single and concise sentence that makes the 2nd say irrational and false. The 2nd was written before nukes, grenades hellfire missiles, guns and bullets were invented. . An assault rifle is not a musket. A rifle or gun is not a musket. A musket is an ancient Chinese fire-stick used as part of a militia. Guns and rifles used in hunting are strictly licensed and regulated as is hunting. Hunting has absolutely NOTHING to do with the 2nd.

    • You have to love it when someone so well informed on the NRA as Jennifer is post such wonderful intelligent post. Yes I am being sarcastic. Jennifer since you are so knowledgeable see if you can answer this:

      I own a Remington 742 CARBINE .30-06 Rifle, a Marlin 900 22LR rifle, a ruger pistol, 12 and 20 gauge shotguns and an AR-15 style rifle with a folding stock, pistol grip, 30 round magazine, barrel guard/shroud with a light and laser attached. Tell me, which of those is an assault weapon of war military style weapon to you?

  25. By the way, odd that a gun owner would confuse the calibers of a firearm he owns. If the author owned one at all ( and I doubt it) he must be loaded because that’s one expensive and exotic set up. ( $4000 minimum) If I could afford to own one, I’d sure not be giving it away *L*.

  26. “The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants”

    “When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is Liberty” Both from Thomas Jefferson.

    And thus we have the 2nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Pretty smart fella’s our Founding Fathers.

  27. Good for you guys; Now leave the rest of society alone! Go post a gun free zone on your residence; go tell your family that you will not be willing to protect them. Peace!

  28. Ask yourself this – if the POLICE feel they need such firearms to patrol your streets and neighborhoods safely, what do YOU need to actually live there and protect yourself when the Police patrol elsewhere? I’ll trust their judgment over yours – they’re professionals, and know ALL of the risks associated with safety and “what is required”. There is NO reason to allow the Police State to out-gun you – who works for whom, again?

  29. So glad that the author feels safe enough in his environment to make the decisions he deems best for his personal safety and mental stability.

    Not all of us feel that way however. Not all of us are willing to give the advantage in a violent conflict up to other folks. Not all of us in this wide, wide, nation have the same security needs or threats to consider.

    So kudos to him for doing what he feels is right with his own property. Though I could deal with a bit less of the high-horse demeanor and the preachy telling others how to live attitude.

    LIVE FREE!

  30. I own two weapons, a bolt action rifle and a double barrel shotgun. The last thing I need is an assault rifle and no other citizens needs one either. They may want them but they do not need them and should not have them.

    At this point, the horse is out of the barn and closing the door now will still leave millions of assault weapons in society but we do not need to keep adding to the total.

    They need to stop this insanity.

    • Well now aren’t you special.
      I just got back from a wild pig hunt in Texas and shot a bunch of pigs with my AR with a suppressor on it.. Big Fun!! I plink with it all the time. It is fun to shoot. And as of today it hasn’t wanted to jump up and kill anyone. I have a lot of firearms and everyone of them could be classified an assault weapon. They all shoot bullets that will kill.
      This is nothing more than a starting point for the gun grabbers.

    • Mr. Armijo, when was it appointed that you should decide what other citizens can or can not have were you place in power as emperor? are we all now bowing down and paying homage to you if so why do you not have your government enforce the laws already in place that would have stopped Mr. Mateen from purchase, but seems the FBI and other employers do not what to upset the Muslim community so he was free to go. People need to put the blame and issue where it really belongs not on the object. Do you blame the car when a drunk driver kills.

    • So what do you use your “bolt action rifle” and shotgun for? Most people with the rifles you wrongly call “assault rifles” (they really target and varmint rifles) go target shooting. It doesn’t sound like you know much about guns–you’re probably a bigger threat to the general public than most people with the guns you don’t like but don’t know squat about.

    • I grew up on a ranch in Nevada. When I was 8 my father gave me a “snake gun” a High Standard 22 semiautomatic pistol. What I really wanted was a lever action rifle. Did I need it of course not but the appearance is what made me want it. Saame can be said of the current crop of AR 15 look alikes. I certainly didn’t need one but the looks convinced me to buy one. Now that I have one I enjoy shooting it at targets and varmints I encounter on the ranch.But did I actually need it …of course not!

    • While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. What I don’t understand is why you believe your opinion should have any force or effect on what I choose to own or use. The constitution still lists certain rights, including due process. Until such time as those rights are no longer in effect, I will decide what weapons I wish to own.

  31. The Founding Fathers insisted that civilians have the same weapons as the military. The “hunting and sporting” “litmus test” was actually developed in Nazi Germany to initially disarm everyone NOT BELONGING TO THE NAZI PARTY. If you want to get rid of your AR-15s that’s your business. I will KEEP MINE.

  32. The 2nd Amendment is not about HUNTING! It was meant to to ensure that WE THE PEOPLE would have a way to rise up and take back the GOVERNMENT if needed!
    We are getting ever closer to that day!

  33. Doug, while I applaud you for your personal choice to have your weapon destroyed, keep in mind there are millions of American that are law abiding American citizens who are firearm owners with AR-15 rifles, who have not committed a crime. So why should their firearms be taken, their property taken and rights violated because of a few lunatics.

    Should I deny you the right to own hammers, baseball bats or walking staffs because it was used in multiple murders? I am a firearms owner, and for you to come out and say I do not have a right to own a firearm because how it looks is ridiculous. Based on what logic? Base your explanation on logic, and not an emotional diatribe that sounds like you’re willing to give up your liberty for some security, in which you deserve neither.

  34. The two Islamic terrorist attacks have convinced you to disarm yourself? Good idea, you obviously don’t have much intelligence. We don’t have a gun problem we have an Islamic Terrorist problem as does the rest of the world. We are spending BILLIONS to protect ourselves from Islamic Terrorists. You probably believe in “gun free” zones as well and the easter bunny. Do yourself a favor, read all 109 violent suras in the Quran. If you remain unconvinced (remember this is the word of Allah and not one word can EVER be changed. It is what Allah demands) read the Hadith (life of Mohammad) as well. They are not going to stop till Islam is no longer a power among men. You can read the violent suras here: thereligionofpeace.com or in the Quran. If you feel disarming yourself is the correct thing to do after that…..well I have never seen anyone do that. It would surprise me. The other possibility is that this is a made up article with an anti gun agenda. If that is the case nothing will convince you because as a liar you can never believe what other people tell you. You think they are lying too.

  35. Mr. Thompson, you may as well get rid of your handguns too as they can be used to “illegally” kill people. You, like many others are centered on what a weapon appears to be, not what it really is. Vote for Hillary. We’ll see how that goes.

  36. Look at that, another fluff piece in the wake of a mass shooting.

    Most homicides are committed with handguns. So banning “assault weapons” is ridiculous.

    If you chose to defend your home with a shotgun or a pistol, that”s YOUR choice. You’re not going to take my choice to do so away, because of YOUR hysteria.

    Gordon Davis’ comments are spot on and nothing to add to them here, other than legislators with no knowledge of firearms ban guns on cosmetic grounds and not functional ones.

  37. Stop being a hypocrite and get rid of the Glock too. They have been used in mass shootings just as much as the AR.

  38. Memo to DOUG THOMPSON: ‘Go to hell’

    Here is one more person that thinks his way is the right way for everyone. That is fine for him, I do not agree. I own an AR platform firearm, I do not own an assault weapon or weapon of war. I will by another this year in defiance to fools like those in the Progressive liberal anti-gun democratic party.

    For Bill I have one question:

    I own a Remington 742 CARBINE .30-06 Rifle, a Marlin 900 22LR rifle, a ruger pistol, 12 and 20 gauge shotguns and an AR-15 style rifle with a folding stock, pistol grip, 30 round magazine, barrel guard/shroud with a light and laser attached. Tell me, which of those is an assault weapon of war military style weapon to you?

  39. “A CheyTac .480 computerized assault weapon”

    So a bolt-action rifle is now an assault weapon?

    “Tightening the law to prevent slight modifications of the weapon design to allow sales through loopholes.”

    And how do you propose tightening the law, when the entire law is based around the PHYSICAL APPEARANCE of the firearm and nothing else?

  40. Good for you, Doug. Most of us don’t need guns at all, and the few that do need them for specific purposes. Hunting and varmint disposal is one of those. Home security is questionable, since those guns are more likely to harm a friend than a foe. Generalized fear should be a reason to seek therapy, not to arm yourself.

    • if you load, chamber and take the safety off and you do this to 100+++ guns, i would like you to keep an eye on them 24/7, 365 days a year and let me know when just one of them gets up, finds a human target and fires at it. get over it, people kill people. end of conversation .g.critelli

    • It’s not a matter of being fearful… it’s a defense thing. The 2nd Amendment is there for the American people, to have some means of fighting back against any tyrannical takeover attempt. This was because our forefathers ability, to think about the future, based on what happened to them. It was King George that tried to disarm the colonies, so that they had no means of fighting back. This was so that Britain could continue to rule over and tax the colonies to death. The “Well regulated Militia” that is mentioned in the 2nd Amendment, were the people!. The same people, farmers, blacksmiths… etc… as the people who exist in society today. The common ordinary people. THIS WAS HOW OUR NATIONAL GUARD WAS FORMED. This is why so many people WILL NOT..and I’m telling you…. WILL NOT, AND WILL NEVER SURRENDER THEIR ARMS. The 2nd Amendment is Sacrosanct, and any attempt to outlaw ANY weapons at this point.. especially in this current environment, will only cause civil disobedience. It was already done in CT, and NY. The people in both sates sent a message to their governors, and that message was “Come and Take it”. Guess what… they can’t and they wont, because it would only spark a Revolution. Which is where THIS nonsense will end up taking us if people like you keep pushing. I for one, will stand with the Millions upon Millions of people in this country, and lay my own life on the line, to once again, as our forefathers did and fight for our freedom. Trust me when I tell you…if a weapons ban is instituted in this country… all of the Militias from around the United States will start to come forward, and then you’re really going to see some sparks fly in this country. This will devastate the country, because No one will be able to go to work, school, or travel.. as some states will set up perimeters, and then counties within states will start to set up perimeters, and defend against any U.N. or domestic invasion to confiscate guns from the public. You lefties have NO IDEA where you are pushing this country with this Anti Gun nonsense. You REALLY need to wake up and smell the coffee here, because you’re contributing to turning your own life upside down. The real Sad thing about it is….all of you really have no clue, because you don’t believe or are in denial that anything like that can happen in the USA. You think that simply because a law is passed, all will comply. Well maybe the Lemmings will..but not the gun owners who really know what the 2nd Amendment is all about. And trust me my friend…. we are 10’s of Millions Strong, and there are many in this country who are not gun owners that believe in the 2nd Amendment that will join the ranks to fight for freedom. You’re all in some fantasy world thinking that the USA can do away with guns like Australian did. That will not work here. Like I said.. you all had better get a clue, and get one really quick, because if any gun ban legislation makes it anywhere…. you’re going to see things get really ugly… very fast across the entire United States of America.

  41. Let’s not forget that Jared Lee Loughner killed six people and wounded 13 others besides Gabby Giffords.
    One correction:
    The Director of the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff held a press conference this afternoon in which they revealed that Loughner fired 31 bullets. He did so from a thirty-round magazine (the “extra” bullet was stored in the chamber of the gun). This explains both the duration of the shooting (around 15 seconds) and the carnage caused. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/01/robert-farago/giffords-shooter-jared-loughner-used-a-glock-with-extended-clip/

  42. I just can not comprehend this love of guns in America. Are people so fearful they feel the need to carry one on their person at all times? Seems like a horrible way to live your life in constant fear. I own one gun an over and under 12 gauge that I keep where I can grab it in case of an intruder. It’s hard to miss with a shotgun.

    Though I love venison I no longer hunt because I’m old and dread the thought of having to drag out a deer from deep in the woods. I’m a Pennsylvanian and we love hunting in this state and many own a rifle and shotgun.

    You’d have to be a real gun nut to own an assault rifle. What other purpose could there be to own one? I guess living in a small town where gun incidents are a rarity makes me feel no need to carry a pistol.

    As to the NRA lunatics it seems to me they would like to see every adult in America holstered.

    • You, like many others, seem to think that owning a firearm is done out of fear.

      Is owning a fire extinguisher done out of fear?

      Is owning a first aid kit done out of fear?

      Is carrying a spare tire done out of fear?

      People own guns for the same reason people do the above three things. Not because we “fear” something, and we definitely don’t want to have to use any of them. We own them because we know that sometimes bad things happen to good people and good people have to be prepared for what can happen.

      And a lot of people who own what you ignorantly call an “assault rifle” (you should look up what an assault rifle is, and then look into the laws regulating assault rifles) because they are veterans and wish to own that which they are most familiar with. Veterans have been doing this for a very long time. M1903 Springfields, M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, M14s (well, the M1A), etc., etc. Many veterans feel most comfortable owning and shooting what they were trained on in the military.

      And there is no functional difference between between an AR15 and, for example, a Ruger Mini-14 (which was exempted by name from the 1994-2004 Federal AWB). They both function in a 100% identical fashion – the trigger is pulled, a single round is fired and some portion of the gases are vented back into the receiver to actuate the action to eject the spent casing and load a new casing. They both are chambered for 223 Remington/5.56x45mm NATO. They both use the same magazines. But one is considered an “assault weapon” and the other isn’t.

      So what is the difference?

      No pistol grip on the Mini-14.

      No threaded barrel on the Mini-14.

      No adjustable stock on the Mini-14.

      No bayonet lug on the Min-14.

      No taper in the barrel forward of the front sight to assist in attachment of a grenade launcher on the Mini-14 (the inclusion of this is ridiculous, since grenade launchers fall under the NFA34 anyways and don’t actually need that taper to mount anymore).

      Those are the only differences. No differences in function. Only differences in appearance.

      • “And a lot of people who own what you ignorantly call an “assault rifle””

        Feel better after that rant?

        Makes me feel good when I upset a gun lover!

        • Bill, et al.
          It is illegal to own an “assault rifle” unless you obtain a special license (class III weapons license) through the Federal Government. It is expensive, and extensive in background checks, and requires training and money.
          You are showing your ideology and ignorance, as well as many other posts. An assault rifle is a select fire weapon which may fire fully automatic. An “Assault style” weapon is a semi-automatic rifle which fires one round per trigger pull. It just looks evil like a real assault rifle.
          With that said, the 2nd amendment is not about hunting. It is about the natural right of self-defense, deterrence from tyrannical rule, and a participant in society rule, where the citizen is seen as the equal to government, not subservient to it.

        • I saw no rant, just a very well thought out explanation of the issue. The author didn’t strike me as being upset at all.

      • But a gun or an assault weapon has nave, ever stopped a shooter. Even the armed cop at Pulse was useless. Even the SWAT team waited four (4) hours before confronting the shooter. Even our best Navy Seal, The American Sniper was gunned down by a shooter. One of our main problems is that gun lovers are just that. They kiss their guns goodnight instead of their children. They leave them loaded, unsafe and unsecure. When the gun lover goes out for another 18 pack, junior blows out the brains of his schoolmates…. happens over and over. Just ask the parents at Sandy Hook.

        • Never you say….Lady you are misinformed guns save lives’ every day! and out of the 100,000,000 gun owners who are you talking about!!

        • You say that a person with a legal firearm has never stopped a shooter… that is a dead wrong state.. you can find lots of videos on you tube where cameras have caught people in the act of violent robberies, stores are many places they do this, or anywhere really…licensed ccw citizens stop crimes thousands of times a year and save lives…either someone else’s or their own….

      • thank you Gordon for putting down exactly how I feel. Appreciate your time explaining it.

    • It’s not a matter of being fearful… it’s a defense thing. The 2nd Amendment is there for the American people, to have some means of fighting back against any tyrannical takeover attempt. This was because our forefathers ability, to think about the future, based on what happened to them. It was King George that tried to disarm the colonies, so that they had no means of fighting back. This was so that Britain could continue to rule over and tax the colonies to death. The “Well regulated Militia” that is mentioned in the 2nd Amendment, were the people!. The same people, farmers, blacksmiths… etc… as the people who exist in society today. The common ordinary people. THIS WAS HOW OUR NATIONAL GUARD WAS FORMED. This is why so many people WILL NOT..and I’m telling you…. WILL NOT, AND WILL NEVER SURRENDER THEIR ARMS. The 2nd Amendment is Sacrosanct, and any attempt to outlaw ANY weapons at this point.. especially in this current environment, will only cause civil disobedience. It was already done in CT, and NY. The people in both sates sent a message to their governors, and that message was “Come and Take it”. Guess what… they can’t and they wont, because it would only spark a Revolution. Which is where THIS nonsense will end up taking us if people like you keep pushing. I for one, will stand with the Millions upon Millions of people in this country, and lay my own life on the line, to once again, as our forefathers did and fight for our freedom. Trust me when I tell you…if a weapons ban is instituted in this country… all of the Militias from around the United States will start to come forward, and then you’re really going to see some sparks fly in this country. This will devastate the country, because No one will be able to go to work, school, or travel.. as some states will set up perimeters, and then counties within states will start to set up perimeters, and defend against any U.N. or domestic invasion to confiscate guns from the public. You lefties have NO IDEA where you are pushing this country with this Anti Gun nonsense. You REALLY need to wake up and smell the coffee here, because you’re contributing to turning your own life upside down. The real Sad thing about it is….all of you really have no clue, because you don’t believe or are in denial that anything like that can happen in the USA. You think that simply because a law is passed, all will comply. Well maybe the Lemmings will..but not the gun owners who really know what the 2nd Amendment is all about. And trust me my friend…. we are 10’s of Millions Strong, and there are many in this country who are not gun owners that believe in the 2nd Amendment that will join the ranks to fight for freedom. You’re all in some fantasy world thinking that the USA can do away with guns like Australian did. That will not work here. Like I said.. you all had better get a clue, and get one really quick, because if any gun ban legislation makes it anywhere…. you’re going to see things get really ugly… very fast across the entire United States of America.

    • I don’t love guns Bill. I don’t even own one. But I love freedom. I love the right, and more importantly, the RESPONSIBILITY of each citizen to be able to defend themselves how they see fit. What no one seems to want to hear is a very puzzling truth: ALL these shootings, from Orlando to Sandy Hook, have all been in places where people were legally denied their right to defend themselves. How is it that the gun control advocates claim fewer guns will make people safer, when NO guns in the hands of the victims of these shootings, end up with the same result over and over again?

      Now, you want to blame the NRA? Ask yourself this question: Who told the owners of these businesses, that they were obligated to deny their customers the right to defend themselves? What group said “if you have a problem, don’t defend yourself, call us, and we’ll do it for you?” Coinidentally, what group has also consistently lowered or limited funding for police, EMT and HRT groups? Yes, our government. Hell, in the North Hollywood Shootout, the cops had to raid a Gun Store for assault weapons and AP ammo, because the SWAT team was only authorized to carry MP5s and shotguns. Imagine if that had happened today? Phillips and Materseranu would have shot up a bunch of cops and civilians, and the SWAT team would still be in the shop filling out forms and presenting ID.

      I ask one final question: What other situation of danger and stress, do people do NOTHING to resolve on their own? Who sits at a house fire, hearing a child screaming inside, and says “I sure hope the fire department gets here in time?” Who sees an automobile wreck, with a person bleeding from a head wound, and just takes a photo of it for the insurance purposes? Show me this situation. A long time ago, we used to tell people who were being mugged or hijacked by terrorists: “Don’t fight back. Submit and leave it to the professionals to resolve. You’ll be safer.” And that’s how the World Trade Center Towers fell. But when a few people aboard United 93, refused to become victims, they died fighting for what they believed. They died, for the one reason that matters above all else: So Others May Live.

    • I have a concealed carry (now open carry in Texas) permit. I don’t live in fear one bit. and FYI- The 2nd Amendment was not included in the bill of rights for self-defense/ hunting purposes. It was included as a defense against tyrannical government.

    • I own 3 Ar’s and served in Afghanistan as a medic saving soldiers and Afghan’s alike. It’s people like you that are the reason I finally joined the NRA. The Bill of Rights (not needs) and the 2nd Amendment specifically was not drafted so we could hunt deer. It was be a final measure by which we could defend our way of life from socialists/marxist’s hell bent on destroying traditional America….

    • Facts

      1) The 2nd amendment was not included in the bill of rights to protect the rights of people to defend themselves or hunt. That reasoning was so obvious to the framers that it need not be mentioned. It was included as a protection against tyrannical government.

      2) We tried an ban on rifles based upon appearance and it had no measurable effect on gun violence.

      3) You cannot ban someone from exercising their constitutional right without affording them due process. That is why the Senate bill proposed by democrats was voted down.

      4) John Cornyn (a Republican) also sponsored a bill in the Senate this week that addressed the problem with due process in the Dem’s bill. It put 72 hr ban in place for anyone on the watch list. During that time prosecutors could appear before a judge and justify banning that individual from purchasing a gun. All 47 dem’s voted it down. Why? They said due process was too high a bar.

      5) That same day democrats also blocked a Senate bill that would have appropriated more money to strengthen backgrounds checks and get more accurate information on mental illness and criminal history.

      So go yell at Chuck Schumer. Not the NRA

    • I cannot comprehend that liberals don’t understand what it was, in the hands of thousands of brave souls, preserved their right to state their opinions freely.
      If you don’t like guns, don’t buy one and that goes for AR15’s, but you don’t get the right to determine what guns the rest of us lawful Americans own.
      If the misguided individual who wrote this pablum truly understood what the 2nd Amendment was about, he wouldn’t have bothered writing it.
      Hoplophobia is a condition liberals should seek professional help to overcome.
      Going through life obsessed with attempting to rid the country of guns isn’t rational, or for that matter, helpful, though terrorists and criminals would certainly appreciate your effort.

    • Bill, just because people choose to conceal or open carry does not mean they live in fear. The Second Amendment gives us the right to own firearms. What you choose to own or not is up to the individual. Do we need the number of guns that are in circulation in our country? That is not up to you or anyone else to decide. Do I have the right to decide whether or not someone needs a 3000 square foot house or larger? Yes, a house is not an object that can be used to kill others but the point is, don’t base your mindset on what someone needs or does not need. The same government that would take away our guns if given the opportunity is the same government that can and would take away other rights given us in the Bill of Rights. Don’t for a moment think that obama and other radical leftist like him would not relish subjugating the people to the federal government in any and all ways they could as a means of having power and control over us.

    • NRA lunatics? So, you can express your desired opinion…but you will refuse to accept others have a different position? As to ‘assault weapons’….A N Y T H I N G can be construed as such…a book of matches…a knife…a crowbar, a tire iron, a box cutter…a screwdriver even a broken piece of glass can be used as an ‘assault weapon’. I figured you were smarter than that in the general understanding. Pity you are ignorant enough to discard thought of others as not equal to yours. I am sorry you are OLD and cannot hunt venison….but many, many of us…yeah, EVEN old ones, still hunt and enjoy the fruits of same. Here’s hoping you can “get a grip” with reality sir. Luckily for MOST Americans…it is RIGHT under our law. Not a ‘privileged.
      Ya know…if you wish to “rant and Rave” over/about something with construct…why not rail about the jerks that DO NOT lock up “law” breakers….yeas, even the ones with firearms!!

    • To the Anti gunners on this blog let’s take a look at YOUR logic:

      First of all there are over 2 million guns owned by your neighbors, priests, ministers, teachers, friends, doctors, etc and they also have millions of rounds of ammunition. IF these law abiding people wanted to create chaos you would have known about it. So if you call gunner “crazies” – you denigrate over 1/3 of the American population.

      Second – no gunner is “afraid” as they have guns to protect them and their loved ones.

      Third – they are NOT willing to be soft targets like anti-gunners are – they have more common sense than that.

      Fourth – they all believe in the Constitution which our founding fathers wrote a couple of hundred years ago. they mainly believe in GOD, the bible, following the laws and keeping our crooked and corrupt government at bay. They KNOW that “LOVE” will NOT stop ISIS who wants to destroy this country and its people. Only a bullet will do that.

      Fifth – they know the difference between an assault rifle which the military use and the modern sporting rifles that they use for recreation, hunting, self defense, etc. And most teach their children to know and use gun safety. Guns are used in self defense about two million times a year. This was true back in the 1800’s when my own grandmother saved her family by shooting two marauders who attacked their wagon train coming cross country – I doubt if any of you anti-gunners would have had the courage to do so.

      Sixth – the 20,000 gun laws in effect right now do NOT keep MUSLIM Crazies or any crazy individuals at bay. Anyone who has an agenda and wants to kill people can get a gun if they want one from the street, the cartels, the criminal gangs, etc. They can also use cars, sharpened phillips head screwdrivers, poison, etc to kill.

      Seventh – those who have guns know how to use them safely. Anti-gunners wouldn’t know a muzzle from a grip and God forbid they get their hands on one.

      Eighth – They are NOT stupid and wiling to wait for the police to come if trouble ensues. You know the saying, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away?

      Ninth – they DO NOT force you to buy a gun, use a gun or even know about guns. Therefore, give them the same courtesy by not forcing them to give up their guns for their own purposes. Otherwise you are petty little dictators, want control over your neighbors, friends, lives and ant them to be as foolish and stupid as you.

      Tenth – if you are so worried about people dying, then demand that the doctors do something about the 500,000 that dies of heart disease each year. YEAH – you forgot about the thousands who die from disease perhaps because they don’t show up on the headlines….now go to work on the real problems of health issues in America and save THOSE people and stop showing your ignorance, demand for power, and intrusions into others lives.

    • You get me an assault rifle and I will give you all my life’s savings. You can’t legally and if you do own any guns, which i doubt, a shotgun especially a double is not an ideal gun for home defense

    • Even with the AR-15s that I own, I still have yet to witness one of these “assault rifles” people speak of. If you ask me if I “need” and AR-15, I’d easily say no. However, it’s called the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs. People don’t “need” free speech either, or freedom of press, or freedom of religion. Should we start cutting those away as well? All of those things have lead to death as well. Maybe we should limit those as well.

      Yeah, that sounds ignorant, but it’s really no different. The Second Amendment helps ensure that we get to keep the rest of those rights that some of you seem to forget the price our nation has paid to continue enjoying.

    • i’m buying one along with as many 30 rd mags as i can afford before they are banned again. not because i’m afraid but because it is my duty as an american to arm myself.

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