Freedom’s just another word for everything to lose

When you sweep away the hype, the lies and the politics of George W. Bush’s so-called "war on terror," you are left with one inescapable conclusion: The President of the United States is at war with freedom.

In Bush’s myopic view of the world, freedom is expendable. Freedom has no place in a Presidency where power is everything and the only opinion can be his.

As Bush’s already fragile mental state dissolves in front of a nation that is no longer the land of the free, we see more and more evidence of a madman bent on absolute control of a totalitarian state where dissent is banned, independent thought is not allowed and different opinions are not tolerated.

The ugly reality that is Bush’s deranged, paranoid, megalomaniacal obsession with power surfaced during his out-of-control performance at a press conference last Friday where he declared that any disagreement with his views are "unacceptable."

MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann put it best in a stinging, spot-on, commentary Monday night:

The President revealed this last Friday, as he fairly spat through his teeth, words of unrestrained fury directed at the man who was once the very symbol of his administration, who was once an ambassador from this administration to its critics, as he had once been an ambassador from the military to its critics.

The former Secretary of State, Mr. Powell, had written, simply and candidly and without anger, that "the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism."

This President’s response included not merely what is apparently the Presidential equivalent of threatening to hold one’s breath, but within it contained one particularly chilling phrase.

"Mr. President, former Secretary of State Colin Powell says the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism," he was asked by a reporter. "If a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former secretary of state feels this way, don’t you think that Americans and the rest of the world are beginning to wonder whether you’re following a flawed strategy?"

"If there’s any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it’s flawed logic," Bush said. "It’s just – I simply can’t accept that. It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.

Of course it’s acceptable to think that there’s "any kind of comparison."

And in this particular debate, it is not only acceptable, it is obviously necessary, even if Mr. Powell never made the comparison in his letter.

Some will think that our actions at Abu Ghraib, or in Guantanamo, or in secret prisons in Eastern Europe, are all too comparable to the actions of the extremists.

Some will think that there is no similarity, or, if there is one, it is to the slightest and most unavoidable of degrees.

What all of us will agree on, is that we have the right – we have the duty – to think about the comparison.

And, most importantly, that the other guy, whose opinion about this we cannot fathom, has exactly the same right as we do: to think – and say – what his mind and his heart and his conscience tell him, is right.

All of us agree about that.

Except, it seems, this President.

With increasing rage, he and his administration have begun to tell us, we are not permitted to disagree with them, that we cannot be right, that Colin Powell cannot be right.

And then there was that one, most awful phrase.

In four simple words last Friday, the President brought into sharp focus what has been only vaguely clear these past five-and-a-half years – the way the terrain at night is perceptible only during an angry flash of lightning, and then, a second later, all again is dark.

"It’s unacceptable to think," he said.

It is never unacceptable to think.

Unfortunately, to George W. Bush, it is unacceptable to have any view of the world but his own. It is unacceptable, in Bush’s eyes, to challenge his thinking, to question his conclusions or doubt his integrity even after he has been caught in lie after lie, mistake after mistake and incorrect assumption after incorrect assumption.

Bush and those who follow him have systematically dismantled the Constitution and the freedoms we once enjoyed under its protections. They have created a police state where the government routinely spies on its citizens, monitors its phone calls, reads its emails and videotapes its actions.

In Bush’s flawed view of America, dissent is tantamount to treason and those who dare challenge his imperialism must be treated as traitors. Anyone who does not march in absolute lockstep to his beliefs, even those proven wrong time and again, must be punished.

And don’t even think of opposing his dictatorial rule.

Because, in George W. Bush’s world, it is unacceptable to think.

43 Responses to "Freedom’s just another word for everything to lose"

  1. LoudPatriot  September 20, 2006 at 7:09 pm

    A few tidbits.

    “If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” James Madison

    “Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.” Harry S Truman

    “Unless you become more watchful in your States and check this spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive privileges you will in the end find that the most important powers of Government have been given or bartered away, and the control of your dearest interests have been passed into the hands of these corporations.”
    –President Andrew Jackson

    “The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” James Madison, Federalist Paper 47

    The essence of fascism is that government should be the master, not the servant, of the people.

    Without free speech no search for truth is possible … no discovery of truth is useful…. Better a thousand-fold abuse of free speech than denial of free speech. The abuse dies in a day but denial stays the life of the people and entombs the race.

    Education teaches people how to think, while propaganda teaches people what to think.

    Propaganda by censorship takes two forms: the selective control of information to favour a particular viewpoint, and the deliberate doctoring of information in order to create an impression different from that originally intended.

    “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” –Abraham Lincoln

    Widespread police surveillance is the very definition of a police state.

    NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency and/or Department of Homeland Security may spy on you without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You may have no recourse nor protection save to call for a change of government.

    Heil Bush
    LoudPatriot

  2. LoudPatriot  September 20, 2006 at 7:12 pm

    Rob,

    I predected 5 years ago that this will be the last duly elected (appointed) President. There will be some “event” that will “create” a need to keep this “goverment” in power.

    I even have a couple of bets with some Bush Brownshirts. Oh how I would love to lose those bets.

    Heil Bush
    LoudPatriot

  3. TRUTH 101  September 20, 2006 at 7:46 pm

    PHIL:

    Islamic Extremeists kill at will at random, women and children no exceptions

    GWB Sends men and women soldiers KNOWING that he may be sending them to their deaths…and he just sends more. 20,000 more in fact very quietly increasing the number.

    What’s the difference. We did have several soldiers so severely hardened that they did the same. It makes no difference if it’s one or 10,000 it is still wrong.

    ROB: I would hope that if you are right or even close to the mark that there would be an uprising in this country. Right now there is a move to “finesse” them out into the open.

    Hell a spade is a spade.

    Preaserve, protect and defend the Cconstitution…against all enemies foreign and domestic. A violation against the very oath of office he took.

    …so help me God. So much for religion by this person who claims to speak to God….or was chosen by God to be president.

    Bush supporters are of two makes and models. The religious extremeists in the united States NOT MUSLIM and what i call the former WWF crowd.

    PNAC plays to them, Fox plays to them repeating the same words over and over and over and they buy it…because nobody challenges any of it except a whimper here or a soundbite there

    BUSH Stay the Course…Terrists…9/11
    over and over and over

    FOX: Fair abd balanced.
    over and over and over.

    Any questions.???

  4. Jennifer  September 20, 2006 at 7:54 pm

    To: Truth 101/Rob/ Loud Patriot
    Niyawa (I thank you) in Shanwee!
    All of you speak total truth; too bad the general public can’t hear you.
    There will be an “October Surprise”, just like 9/11, just like the antrax scare; and the red, orange,get your duct tape alerts— “scare you into submission”/ there will be no election in 2008 / there will be only martial law. Wisomkeeper

  5. TRUTH 101  September 20, 2006 at 8:01 pm

    TO ALL:

    PNAC is a group of very wealthy to extremely wealthy individuals who are hell bent on taking over the world or certainly calling all the shots at some point in the future.

    They make no secret of their intentions and a look at all the members and the positions they now hold in the cabinet to the Govermnet key positions is frightening.

    They want to and have been doing it through OIL certainly as a starting point. BLACK GOLD as it is called is not just a term from the Beverly Hillbillies. But oddly enought, other than the extreme religious holier than thou’s it’s the Beverly Hillbillies that IS the support mechanism of this movement.

    This group is already in bed with the Saudi’s the number ONE in OIL Production in the world and the Bush clan is in business cooperations with the BIN LADEN family.

    Wonder why he hasn’t been caught. Wonder why the warnings of lower echelon CIA officials were ignored?

    Sorry folks, it ALL FITS and as long as you can be distracted by ANY OTHER MEANS, you get played all along that track.

    IRAQ was number TWO and That’s why it was INVADED. Saddam had absolutely NOTHING to do with it in ANY FORM OF REALITY you might choose.

    He was in a box, well contained, certainly killing his own that disagreed with him…so what business is that of George Bush..ask yourself that a time or two.

    He was a PAPER TIGER, A Despot, or simpler “A BAD GUY and served PNAC as the perfect foil as George Bush did once they made him President.

    Kerry helped by giving up OHIO too easily when it was learned that there was no paper trail and the results were much more questionable than Florida ever was.

  6. LoudPatriot  September 20, 2006 at 8:07 pm

    It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire

    It is amazing the looks I have received when I predict “Marshal Law”. Those supporting this administration will know the truth when it happens. Unfortunately, it will be to late.

    Heil Bush
    LoudPatriot

  7. John Hanks  September 20, 2006 at 8:09 pm

    A patriot is like a religionist in that he has no real knowledge of his country. He is either a crook or a sucker.

    It is impossible to feel anything for a nation like ours.

  8. Miss Grace  September 20, 2006 at 8:17 pm

    What I find appalling is the thundering silence from our former presidents in all of this. The whole mess of them swore to uphold the Constitution, and are sitting mute while our rights are trampled left and right.

    Where are their voices?

    Obviously, Bu$h Senior isn’t going to say anything, and I did briefly catch Carter on (I believe) Larry King quietly promoting diplomacy in the Middle East.

    I would like to see a few of these former leaders crawl out of their Presidential Libraries and start speaking loudly in defense of our individual freedoms.

    So far, the silence is deafening.

    Rob is right — the way things are going, martial law is not an improbability. Let’s face it — the faster things deteriorate, the higher the likelihood that Bu$h is going to do something desperate.

  9. TRUTH 101  September 20, 2006 at 8:49 pm

    Miss Grace,

    Excellent Idea and you are right. The ONLY one I heard even willing to address the subject…as weak as he did it unfortunately was in fact Jimmy Carter.

    Then if you watched FOX, he was beaten up and bashed into the groud for being a non-patriot and not one single person, president or commentator said a word in his defense…

    Makes you wonder if they all have skeletons in the closet….or perhaps the good old boys club is sworn to secrecy.

    CHENEY RUMSFELD and WOLFOWITZ RUN BUSH and a few of the family and friends network. There are others but these are the power players.

    Gates gives away millions so he is investigated up one side and down the other. He won’t play the PNAC game. He has made BILLIONS that PNAC wants is the reason. You don’t play, you will pay, in one form or another.

  10. Jennifer  September 20, 2006 at 9:50 pm

    Hello Truth101,
    I love Jimmy Carter, he gave my people religious freedom on Aug. 11,1978..the Indian Religious Freedom Act (AIRFA) Public Law 95-341. But it means nothing now to those in power. He was not allowed to attented the Pope’s funneral, but Rice & Clinton were. He was the only President, who had the Pope in the White House.
    He was/is a peacemaker/so I am. Stand behind those of us that are.
    Wisdomekeeper.

  11. John Rice  September 20, 2006 at 10:06 pm

    Doug,,,
    Your recent posts indicate to me that though you’ve been governmentally sucker-punched (haven’t we all?) you are not yet down for the count. Your rants are with much more clarity and purpose now. Congratulations on weaning yourself from the addiction of denial.
    IMO, you are halfway to understanding what our government is really about, and when you understand that our own government was behind 9-11, and still covering it up, you will have “gotten it”.

    Previous posters: Your choice is more of the same (status quo) or a sea-change of our political will by opting for a third party option.

    Unless you want more of the same, a third party is the only real option left.

    When looking at what might solve our problems of governance, please don’t overlook the Neither Party at http://www.neitherparty.org We are not your parents’ Republocrats.

    Regards,,,John
    ( john_rice@neitherparty.org )

  12. Jennifer  September 20, 2006 at 11:37 pm

    Wake-up…I’m a small voice giving warnings…please listen.
    Hum, shall I tell you of lies from our government? shall I tell you of what’s going to happen? Please listen to you own inner voice and you will know what to do and you will know that I always speak the truth.
    Wisdomkeeper

  13. Jeffery Haas  September 20, 2006 at 11:41 pm

    Acting President and Unitary Executive for the Duration of the National Security Emergency.

    Get used to the term, folks.

  14. Gerald Sutliff  September 21, 2006 at 2:23 am

    Dear Doug,

    Right on!

    I have to add that after Bush’s Monday performance his poll numbers went up 4 points. Even mad despots have supporters.

  15. keith  September 21, 2006 at 2:46 am

    Unfortunately, it appears we’ve been taking another lesson from Confucius, who thousands of years ago noted that, “A tyrannical government is worse than a man-eating tiger”.

    But, fortunately, Mr. Bush’s (and his PNAC handler’s) agenda for world domination is now collapsing down around their ears. As I’ve said in another recent post here on Capitol Hill Blue, Mr. Bush and his cronies are finally beginning to realize that they arrogantly ignored one of the most important lessons from military history.

    The lesson is that CONQUEST is relatively easy. But CONTROLLING what you have conquered is always infinitely more difficult (if not impossible) to do.

    Or, to put it another way, no matter what a tyrannical government my do to a person physically or mentally, they simply can’t completely control people’s hearts and minds. Sooner or later, oppressed people will always figure out ways to eventually break free of such tyranny. It has been happening for thousands of years. And, it is happening again, right here and now.

    By speaking out against Mr. Bush’s grand plans to rule the world, we, the US voters are now putting him, his handlers, and our totally corrupt US Congress on notice that we no longer believe any of their “stay the course” and “wars of liberation” dogma! What’s more, it would now appear that the rest of the world is no longer buying any of this dogma either!

    For, despite our President’s recent assertion that the Constitution of the United States is just a “goddamned piece of paper”, we are still a nation of laws. And, Mr. Bush’s increasingly tyrannical assertions about our Constitution as well as his totally irrational accusations against true patriots like General Colin Powell is simply more evidence of an ever-more-desperate, manic attempt to salvage a deeply flawed foreign policy…a policy that’s had overt world domination as its centerpiece.

    And…fortunately…for all of us…that foreign policy now lies largely in ruins. That’s because more and more people whose character is beyond reproach are now beginning to also realize (and publicly state) just how “transparent” our “Emperor’s new clothes” really are!

  16. Garry Puffer  September 21, 2006 at 4:52 am

    2 things:
    First, why is there no legal recourse to challenge the oh-so-obviously unconstitutional elements of the “Patriot” Act, and if there is such legal recourse, why is no one doing anything about it? I have to think that even this Supreme Court would not dare to look so foolish as to declare constitutional any one of many parts of this law. Second, in reply to those who fear that “President” Bush will be leader for life, just note that some enemies he has made are influential military men. I will just say that these are proud men who I think we could trust to defend us if need be. I hope so anyway, I have to have something to cling to.

  17. Withheld  September 21, 2006 at 7:11 am

    For those who have brought up the possibility of martial law, you may be interested in looking over details of the Defense Authorization Act of 2007. Reportedly contained therein is a measure that more easily allows the president to utilize the National Guard in ways that were previously reserved for the governors of their respective states.

    As I understand the provisions, the president would be easily able to take over the Guard even over the objections of the governor. This could have ramifications if the states tried to use the Guard to supplement local police forces and the president called them off. For instance, some states and communities are discussing passing illegal immigrant laws on their own since the federal government has failed to do so. If they find themselves overwhelmed trying to enforce those laws (which the president opposes) and turn to the Guard, the president simply rescinds the orders or sends them somewhere else.

    Ostensibly, the reasoning behind this is the failures of the U.S. government’s response to Katrina. Did we purposely hold back help there so we would have a logical and justified reason for Congress to grant this president more power?

    Of course, a big concern could very well be that the 2008 election is called off, and the states would have no authority to band together to fight the seizure of power. Somehow the potential privilege of telling the nay-Sayers, “I told you so!” just doesn’t seem to replace liberty lost.

  18. Withheld  September 21, 2006 at 7:15 am

    For those who have brought up the possibility of martial law, you may be interested in looking over details of the Defense Authorization Act of 2007. Reportedly contained therein is a measure that more easily allows the president to utilize the National Guard in ways that were previously reserved for the governors of their respective states.

    As I understand the provisions, the president would be easily able to take over the Guard even over the objections of the governor. This could have ramifications if the states tried to use the Guard to supplement local police forces and the president called them off. For instance, some states and communities are discussing passing illegal immigrant laws on their own since the federal government has failed to do so. If they find themselves overwhelmed trying to enforce those laws (which the president opposes) and turn to the Guard, the president simply rescinds the orders or sends them somewhere else.

    Ostensibly, the reasoning behind this is the failures of the U.S. government’s response to Katrina. Did we purposely hold back help there so we would have a logical and justified reason for Congress to grant this president more power?

    Of course, a big concern could very well be that the 2008 election is called off, and the states would have no military resource to band together to fight the seizure of power. Somehow the potential privilege of telling the nay-Sayers, “I told you so!” just doesn’t seem to replace liberty lost.

  19. South Point Man  September 21, 2006 at 10:05 am

    Just sort of pointing out the fact that not a single anyone anywhere has even the slightest right whatsoever to be disrespectful and destructive to the lives of other people.

    Period.

    Not a single one of us has even the slightest obligation whatsoever to be doormats for the insane to wipe their feet on.

    Just mentioning this fact…

    Carry on…

  20. Sandy Price  September 21, 2006 at 2:46 pm

    How nice it is to read that somebody mentioned the one missing value that has been part of America since the beginning is finally recognized.

    INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS, meaning freedoms guaranteed for every single solitary American citizen is being wiped out due to an influx of new Christian values.

    Conservatices will yell out “you have indivudal freedoms, if you are a white, Christian, straight man!” They will tell you that this is how our founding fathers planned our nation.

    Just like the bible, some of the statements made by our founders can be quoted over and over and it has convinced the Conservatives they are doing these new intrusive laws for our own benefit.

    I live in a senior development and hear every day that America is morally corrupt. I keep telling these fools it is because my generation did not stress moral values! Now these fools want the government to legislate the laws that they themselves ignored.

    We all know that our choices can be either right or wrong and it is up to us individuals to know the difference. Leaving these choices up to the federal government is not going to work for anyone and all will be stripped of our indivudual rights.

    Wake up!!!

  21. TRUTH 101  September 21, 2006 at 2:51 pm

    GARRY and ALL !!

    There will be no challenge on the Patriot Act for ANY of it’s provisions other than the weak-kneed one that essentially went nowhere that there was, simply because all but a handful of Congressmen in BOTH houses were signing on to is, most without reading it

    In other words, They will not challenge something that they signed on to and up for that so blatently disregards Ameddment four of the Constitution, They will tell you that it was terrorists they were “assured” would be the only victims AKA as EASY OUT:

    The Supreme Court will NOT act in and of itself….simply to read this “ACT” and say that it violates the Constitution because the seperation of powers (how convenient in this day and age) are supposed to be seperate.

    Lower courts first. Letter writing campaigns or ONE major Lawyer with the BALLS to start a movement on behalf of the American People would also get the attention of the courts and the White House. On that you can be sure. What I believe it would do is FORCE PNAC’s hand and trust me that won’t be pretty. What it would be is pre-mature and this might be just enough to end the influence of this organization forever.

    They have a stranglehold on the Government. People are actually afraid of them in Washington. MONEY buys POWER and in WASHINGTON, EVERYTHING IS FOR SALE.

    Senond Item:

    Bush would not rule forever. The SECOND PNAC is where it believes it needs to be IMO BUSH will be told to go away. Yes he could easily finish his term and that’s when the move would be made so it LOOKS like a natural thing.

    Cheney says he has no intention of running for President. He could care less about the “OFFICE” he just wants to BE IN CHARGE, exactly what he is now.

    Going after BUSh IMO is essentially peeing in the wind. Yes he’s responsible as the leader but he IS NOT IN CHARGE OR RUNNING ANYTHING…PERIOD !!!

  22. Joe Keegan  September 21, 2006 at 3:09 pm

    Government control freaks have been chomping on the totalitarian fascist police state bit for quite some time. 911 provided a convenient opportunity to legalize what they’ve been doing for years. AG Gonzalez would have little difficulty “legally” labeling anyone who’s posted here as a “terrorist” and subject to government surveillance under provisions of the Patriot Acts.

  23. timr  September 21, 2006 at 9:12 pm

    Doug, gas prices in freefall started about 2 months before election, any takers for bet that this is not the market, but big oil wanting to keep the free ride going, they are doing as much as they can to keep repigs in office, I expect prices to go up just as fast as they are falling now-starting the day after the election

  24. karen  September 22, 2006 at 1:37 am

    Ted,

    As someone who knows, truly knows Jennifer, you may want to agree to disagree.

    There are a lot of people who are just as credible as you – we live in Amerika (spelling deliberate) and the first amendment gives us all freedom to express ourselves verbally, symbolically, etc. How many post grad POL SCI constitutional law classes have you attended? Try one if you haven’t – as it might brush you up on you rhetoric BS.

    Jennifer is not hearing voices – and if/when the day comes that our government is so corrupted to the point it turns to marshal law, my family will be joining hers and others who will have the knowledge of how to take care of ourselves when the government makes decisions as to who is and who isn’t worthy (not that they already aren’t).

    From your posts, it sounds like you are a rabid (as in frothing at the mouth) republican who believes that whatever George W and his cronies want to do is ok by you. Some day you will reap the rewards of putting that moron in office.

    Oh yeah, if you get HBO try and catch “Lewis Black: Screwed” he will really rile up your fingers where you will post more male bovine fecal material here and elsewhere!

    It’s time to bring our troops home and let the folks in those countries figure it out themselves.

    Oh yeah, one more broadcast you might want to catch is Spike Lee’s “When the Levees Broke”. Did you know that at some point with in the 12 months prior to Katrina’s rage and destruction, local, state, FEMA, and other governmental folks had a workshop (for lack of a better word) on how to prepare and react to a Katrina like storm? There were plans at all levels to get people out before the storm and no one, including the mayors of all the towns/cities involved, the governors or the federal government did a damn proactive action that they created as a plan to react to Katrina.

    What’s wrong with that picture and why wasn’t GW spending as much time and energy getting people help as he spends running his mouth about how much more money he is going to channel into the war, the cities/countries that we destroyed looking for those mass weapons of destruction.

    Too many Amerikans need help and that should be ANY president’s primary agenda. …making sure the people who elected him or her are taken care of first – not last.

    Oprah’s Angel Network has done more for the displaced Katrina folks – aka like building and furnishing them with new homes not those ratty trailers GW thinks a family of 6 can live in sometimes without water, electric, etc.

    Jon Bon Jovi & his band mates, Matthew McConnahey, and other non-celebreties have given money and time to rebuilding peoples lives.

    What’s George W. been doing besides looking like a deer in the headlight when some asks him a question that he, as the president, should know the answer by heart and not stumble around trying to find his 3 x 5 cards to remind him what the message of the day is?

    All levels of government failed but as most presidents are willing to say “the buck stops here.”

    Your boy – well dropped the ball when he was repeatedly present at meetings that said Katrina was coming and she is going to be a whopper! What did he do to make sure the levees could handle the hurricane’s strength? Why were/and still are people dead and floating around the still water filled streets? What is GW doing about that?

    Just remember the first amendment, Ted, and I’ll remember the second one!

    Wonder how long it will take Laura to divorce this moron’s ass after some other idiot is sworn in.

    It is truly only a matter of time – unfortunately we won’t have this blog to comment on.

    Get with the program, Ted!

  25. Dave  September 22, 2006 at 3:59 am

    Yes President Bush is war with freedom. The freedom of the enemies of this country. We are safer because of this war and better that the terrorists lost their freedom and even their lives than one American victim. If giving a few terrorists the upside down wet saran treatment saves even one innocent life then it is worth it. The people who like to criticize those that are willing to fight to protect them deserve to face the terror that these terrorists would like to impose on them.

    Dave
    Mountaineer

  26. Reb1861  September 23, 2006 at 5:06 am

    I hear alot of good thoughts being expressed here as well as hopes and fears, allow me to add some thoughts and perhaps alay some fears. First it is quite possible that the present “king” in power and his minions may try something drastic to hold onto power in ’08. Second liberty is a choice and act of our will that we all make regardless of the political climate of the moment,govt does not give liberty,nor should we allow them to take it away, our constitution and bill of rights are only enumerations of the rights of free men and women, even if Bushco is able to destroy the constitution he can not eliminate the liberty in the hearts of the people,liberty is older than even these fine documents, he can certainly cause us greif and has done so but history is full of ruler wannabes who misjudged the will/resolve of the people and wound up destroyed themselves. In the 90’s I was involved in the fight against “gun control” and was a survival equiptment dealer, when all was said and done Clinton put 100 million more guns into the hands of the people, not exactly what he had planned, these guns and the tools that go with them are still out there, there are many Vets still alive and well from “Nam” and so on who have the know how and love liberty who will stand against this or any other attempt to crush our freedoms, as well as many military people who are currently active who do not support this “King”.Then there are all of you who will never lick their boots who can and will resist when the time comes. What I am saying is don’t be fooled by the swagger of these bullies, we are able to deal with any threat foreign or DOMESTIC that trys to stop liberty,I am not advocating violence, I am simply saying that men have faced such threats before and will for eternity, and that when our turn comes we will ovecome, so be diligent be prepared and be alert,Oh and keep your powder dry.

  27. Martin  September 20, 2006 at 3:41 pm

    What amazes me is how many former small gov’t (they now claim to be patriots, a patriot stands up for the Constitution and freedom not some political hack, were Washington, Madison, Jefferson, Henry etal, patriots or scoundrels to be done away with–according to the British crown) people support this guys complete dismantling of our constitution. Spying, listening in on phone calls, reading email, trolling the web you name it, it is all just fine because their guy is doing it, ask em if Clinton or Gore was doing it and they either stammer or say no. People WAKE UP we are living in a police state TODAY, and most of the mechanism has been implemented during King George’s reign of terror! Right is right wrong is wrong no matter what party you belong to. Normally I would not put a link to another site but go read this and compare it to what King George is proposing, eriee. http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0403a.asp

  28. Stephen Coder  September 20, 2006 at 3:41 pm

    Doug, you’re right. Dumbya is totally out of control. In my humble opinion anyone who believes torture and trials where a person is not even allowed to see the “secret” evidence that can be used to sentence that person to death is a total nutcase. I served 23 years in the Military and put my ass on the line more than once for the country and the Constitution and I refuse to stand by while a spoiled frat rat destroys everything this country used to stand for.

  29. R. Ruffian  September 20, 2006 at 3:48 pm

    Bush has been aided and abetted in this Orwellian reality of lies he has created by a spineless at best and complicit Congress. A Congress full of his partisans that has stripped the country of it hard won long fought for liberties. They have joined this administration in hyping the “danger” of Islamic extremist but failing to ensure our military has the equipment and the manpower to complete it’s ill defined mission. The only thing they have accomplished is to scare the public and themselves and created a nation of bedwetters. This Congress is doing nothing to hold accountable this administration on it’s rampant corruption and lawlessness. It has emasculated itself so effectively that we now have an executive branch that functions as the only branch of government. That is a dictatorship.

    We have a chance to turn this around. I am an old Goldwater republican and I think it is up to people like me to try and stop this mess. I intend to vote in my state for the local democrats both for the House of Representatives and Senate. One of the houses of Congress has to turn so that the Democrats get subpoena power. If they don’t without a fight or a shot fired we will be live in a dictatorship. So my advice is for everyone who doesn’t want to live in a dictatorship. to hold their noses and for once in their life vote for the democrats for Congress.

  30. TRUTH 101  September 20, 2006 at 3:56 pm

    DOUG:

    Agree and disagree with you.

    IMO and view, Mr Bush has no vision of the world, the State of the Union, his Presidency, ANYTHING, EXCEPT
    The view he is TOLD to see.

    He is a very convenient TOOL of PNAC many of whom are “in the family” and family friends of his father.
    His own brother Jeb is a member.

    You simply cannot, under any circumstance whatsoever, in my view, be an essential spoiled brat, who never finished or accomplished really anything COMPLETELY on his own initiative and EVER rise to be functional on your own suddenly.

    If you ALWAYS had everything either done for you or handed to you and in the event you would screw that up, someone was always there to clean up the mess, that is not being functional…it is being spoiled.

    Such IMO is the life of George W. Bush from the beginning.

    SURE, >America elected him President and that is America’s fault…and now like it or not they will, they are and they have to live with the consequenses of that for AS LONG AS THEY ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE.

    I shudder when I hear people say well just two more years after november and he’ll be gone. Does anyone realize besides as you say the probable time bomb ticking inside this man what damage he will allow PNAC to do to the Democracy and Freedome of the USA in two more years?

    I think not.

    With no real “vision” of their own except trashing piecemeal actions of this administration as they occur the Democrats are as lost as Bush is when it comes to a nation that was once feared and respected by the entire world and a place that everyone looked up too, especially it’s citizens for leadership.

  31. LoudPatriot  September 20, 2006 at 4:18 pm

    Bush and Congress are already ignoring, disregarding, sh^*ting on our Constitution:

    Amendment IV
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures,
    shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon
    probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and
    particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
    persons or things to be seized.

    Amendment V
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand
    jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces,
    or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war
    or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the
    same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;
    nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
    against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    I am afraid we are already down the fascist road Bush has ignored his oath of office and we have no Patriots in Congress to fulfill their Oath of Office.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    Heil Bush
    LoudPatriot

  32. TRUTH 101  September 20, 2006 at 5:26 pm

    LOUD PATRIOT and everyone else.

    Violation of Ammendment FOUR of the Constitution of the United States is both by definition and by oath, grounds for impeachment and removal from office. This then would APPLY to ANY Congressman or Senatyor that SIGNED the Patriot Act.

    IN SHORT if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…IT IS A DUCK…therefore why have impeachment proceedings been initiated by this Department of Justice.

    well other than the fact that Alberto Gonzales is still another Administration minion.

    See how far down the slope we have come. !!

  33. Phil  September 20, 2006 at 5:43 pm

    “It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.”

    And innocent Iraqi, Palestinian and Lebanese deaths is this administration responsible for? Hundreds of thousands at least.

  34. LoudPatriot  September 20, 2006 at 6:50 pm

    Truth 101,

    How right you are. What is happening in this country right now is EXACTLY what our founding fathers rebelled against. A form of government with no rights or freedoms of the people.

    I see now how the citizens of Germany were led down the path to fascism by Hitler. Rove and the PNAC obviously learned from history (“The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” comes to mind) how to snow the population into secret courts, secret rendition, secret prisons, secret torture, secret charges, secret evidence. And the sad part is that so few members of our congress (with a few exceptions like Russ Feingold and Burny Sanders) have even remotly fulfilled their Oath of Office.

    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

    This administration has everything they need to tople our Representative Democracy. Department of Homeland Security – Americas Gestapo. A Supreme Court that believes that the Goverment and Corporation have the rights, not the people. And a congress that appears to do nothing to protect Our Constitution, Our Freedoms, and Our Rights.

    “If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget
    that ye were our countrymen.”

    — Samuel Adams

    Heil Bush
    LoudPatriot

  35. Rob  September 20, 2006 at 7:00 pm

    Does anyone beside me think that Bush/Cheney have no intention of “giving up” the Oval Office in 2009? More and more, I have come to the conclusion that these “crazies” have spent too much time, energy and resources to get things “just the way they want them” to quietly walk away in 2009 and turn all this over to possibly a democratic President/Congress to just “throw in the trash”? I have come to the bleak conclusion that Bush/Cheney will do “something” that either will allow them to declare martial law right before the 2008 election or just refuse to leave office in 2009 to “make sure we win this war on ‘terra’. After all, “The Decider” can “decide” to do anything he wants, right? Anyone else see this coming?

  36. Ralph L.  September 23, 2006 at 8:42 pm

    We have received what we wanted and are reaping the results-a nation that has lost the respect of the entire world, is laughed at, ridiculed abroad and at home, despised, and led by a “Man” who swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, which, by his reported admission, is a “god-dam piece of paper.” Yes, we are reaping our reward. “Whatsoever ye sow, that shall ye also reap.” What a total mess this Republic is now in!

  37. Jennifer  September 24, 2006 at 6:54 am

    TO: Reb 1861 & Ralph L.
    You are both, unfortunately for all of our sakes RIGHT! unless people wake-up and think about defending their family, friends, towns from tryanny from within. Stand up for the Constitution/Bill of Rights, stand up for freedom for all Americans, stand up/speak out against torturing all fellow human beings…for it might be your brother, father, neighbor in the very,very near future, thanks to the Patriot Act & NSA surveillance & Bush’s new law/ thing to help the CIA get around the Geneva Convention Law! He’s a “christian” isn’t he…how does he sleep at all?
    Chavez is right, too.
    May the Great Spirit protect us from the evil shortly come.
    Wisdomkeeper

  38. Karen  September 24, 2006 at 8:22 am

    Helllllllllllooooooooooooo, has anyone been listening to those who appear on behalf of GW or even GW himself. I say that boy needs to be home school.

    I know of anyone I would vote for – all either side provides is a bowl of sh*t and some of us gobble it down faithfully.

    GW and his political folk can find any reason to send more troops to the Middle East, e.g., he lost his pacifier his last visit there! Hell GW, just gets a new one and stop putting the people of this country in harm’s way.

    Smug, wealthy have always found a way to cheat the system by giving more money than allowed.

    Ahhhhhhhhhh, I miss the 60’s and 70’s when people – whole lots of people – were willing to “take it to the street” and protest the VN war. Diplomacy is a wasted effort on these folks. They hate us, we are not of their religion (or most of us aren’t), and they want us to go away!

    We need to worry about our country and its citizens first – hint: get the Katrina mess cleaned up and get it done NOW. Rebuild what nature destroyed – we are doing it over there.

    So here is what I propose.

    I will become president. Condy Rice will be dismissed. People who aren’t into swindling the people of this country will run the various departments and/or separate or create new ones that actually work – can we say FEMA ain’t worth sh*t?

    We will make sure no one in this country (USA) is homeless, hungry, or walking around not quite right to his/her head. We will give the people a new spirit of hope and we will do it as soon as I am sworn in.

    Conventions to promote ideas rather than people shall be held until we come up with the right way to do things (a true compromise among all).

    Instead of the celebrity spokespeople for feed the children or whatever, they will find the hungry, poorly educated, living in a ghetto, etc. people in the US and ask for support for our own people.

    Yes, we need to be ready to fight terrorism. Hell I am sure they listen in on my cell as well as the rest of yours. The problem is – they don’t implement or look at a feasibility option.

    Perhaps if we worried about what’s wrong with Amerika, we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in.

    I am not saying to not mourn the dead of 9/11 or OK City. But let us all find the courage that that men who took control of Flt. 93 so the real target would not be destroyed.

    What it is going to do to help this country is not another Bush or starched puppet dictator? not a damn thing.

    And we need to stop torturing people who are not like us. Either charge them with a crime, present the evidence to a jury of their peers, and let those folks sort it out. If found guilt – ship em back from whence they came. I think the Islamic religion(s) deal harshly with those who failed. We need to let them do this. Or we could bomb all of them back to the stone age (forgetting what VN era commander said we should do).

    So if you feel it’s time for a real change – you have my name and do a write in when it comes time to vote.

    And any of ya can come over and sleep in the Lincoln bedroom or any other room available. The constitution says nothing about sleepovers at the white house. It is simply a building with mostly a bunch of nut pulling the strings.

  39. Nakakon  September 24, 2006 at 1:11 pm

    hello everybody, I’m not a citizen of you Country, I’m actully a Native Canadian, just a humble hunter traper, I also like keeping up with your rants.

    You all seem to be in universities and collagies persumibly politacl science, I’ve read a book about Yousif Stalin, Mr Bush is not clever like he was, though his controlers are.

    Mr. Bush’s controlers are useing tactics used by all dictaters and slowely puting them into law, your all late in stoping them now, now it seem’s like Mr. Bush might break free from them and turn aganst them couse his lust for power.

    They have blackmailed your entire congress, Hijack you entire economy, oblitered your entire Education system, lied and betrayed the religous community(o yes there still a factor but they still support him due to lack of education and blind faith the easyiest to do) etc etc.

    The only way he would inpose martial law which I can think of is his order to detinate a nuke within your borders and blame the terrioests, this tactic has been used by every dictoral and tyranic government, they already did that a few years ago and by joe did it work like a charm.

    Sence they are so powerful you all are no longer citizens but ginne pigs or pawns you know something below living, umm yah a liability, they’ve already reintrused slavery in your country, like come on why not I’m out of tolit paper pass that constitution.

  40. Jennifer  September 26, 2006 at 1:49 am

    Nakakon,
    I’m an American Indian…this has all been prophecied from all tribes…collimating to just this exact time period. There is a reason & purpose for everything, nothing is coicidence. We get back Turtle Island in the end! The Great Spirit promised it to us. That time is now.
    Wisdomkeeper

  41. Casey Long  September 27, 2006 at 6:27 pm

    Anyways I think that this is right Bush is trying to be the neo natzi of today… first of all you have to relate back to 9 11 Did you know that bush ordered a military pull on the buildings which in lamen terms blow it up or bring it down.. Those planes should not have brung the buildings down wre talking tons and tons of re enforced steel and then this weak material the planes are made out of… A military pull is when you stratigically blow up a bulding so its fals straight down which is what happened. You figured they would have feel sideways with such a blow from a plan and crushed much more of the city but for some reason they came straight down i dont buy it and you shouldnt either.. BUt yes bush is trying to let the new world order take control and at the same time he is just in it for the oil and money

  42. Casey Long  September 27, 2006 at 6:27 pm

    Anyways I think that this is right Bush is trying to be the neo natzi of today… first of all you have to relate back to 9 11 Did you know that bush ordered a military pull on the buildings which in lamen terms blow it up or bring it down.. Those planes should not have brung the buildings down wre talking tons and tons of re enforced steel and then this weak material the planes are made out of… A military pull is when you stratigically blow up a bulding so its fals straight down which is what happened. You figured they would have feel sideways with such a blow from a plan and crushed much more of the city but for some reason they came straight down i dont buy it and you shouldnt either.. BUt yes bush is trying to let the new world order take control and at the same time he is just in it for the oil and money

  43. Linda Rock  September 30, 2006 at 6:08 pm

    I agree with the person’s comments on Bush and Chaney not going to leave office !
    The only difference is I believe they will do that by proxy ,,in other words fix the elections as they have before to put in office another puppet republican to do their bidding.
    All through Bush’s term he has set himself and his cronies up to make tons of money through bills he has passed and confirmations he has passed.
    I am a bit upset with my own party for not working quicker to make sure we all have paper ballots that can be traced in case the republicans try to tamper with the voting machines again or pull some other atrocity .Already Maryland has had several voting problems and this is just the primary .
    I am afraid the republicans will pull out all the stops and again fix the vote .
    This time I hope the America people will demand an investigation before anyone takes office not leave it up to some judge who is paid off to vote in the republicans favor like what happened when Gore should have been president not Bush !
    Its pretty plan to see the majority of Americans do not want to see another republican in office so if that should happen we know its a fix !
    I feel this whole administration should be tried and punished for the crimes they have committed against this country .
    Our constitution has been spat on ,the Geneva Convention has been spat on and our first amendment rights have been spat on,,all by this administration who have taken total power of our country .Its time to take their power away and make them accountable for their crimes.

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