Defiant Bush declares war on his own party’s Senators

An obviously-angry President George W. Bush declared war on Senators from his own party Friday after a Republican revolt in the Senate threatened tough anti-terror legislation that would allow torture of prisoners.


A defiant Bush rejected warnings that the United States had lost the high moral ground to adversaries.

"It’s flawed logic," he snapped.

Bush is trying to rush his legislation through Congress, hoping a hyped sense of urgency will work as it did with the Constitution-defying USA Patriot Act that lawmakers passed without reading in the wake of the 9/11 terror attacks.

"Time’s running out" for the legislation, he warned, with Congress set to adjourn in a few weeks.

The bitter president called a Rose Garden news conference to confront a Republican rebellion led by Sens. John Warner of Virginia, John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Susan Collins of Maine.

To the administration’s dismay, Colin Powell, Bush’s former secretary of state, has joined with the lawmakers. Powell said Bush’s plan to redefine the Geneva Conventions would cause the world "to doubt the moral basis" of the fight against terror and "put our own troops at risk."

Seven weeks before the November elections, the dispute left Republicans fighting among themselves — rather than with Democrats — about national security issues that have been a winning theme for the GOP in past elections.

Responding to Bush, McCain rejected the president’s assertion that an alternative bill approved by the Senate Armed Services Committee dealing with the trial and interrogation of terror suspects would require the closure of the CIA’s detainee program.

McCain said the measure would protect agents from criminal and civil liability and, by not reinterpreting the meaning of the Geneva Conventions, uphold the nation’s obligations.

"To do any less risks our reputation, our moral standing and the lives of those Americans who risk everything to defend our country," the senator said.

Democrats were eager to point out the GOP disarray.

"When conservative military men like John McCain, John Warner, Lindsey Graham and Colin Powell stand up to the president, it shows how wrong and isolated the White House is," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y. "These military men are telling the president that in the war on terror you need to be both strong and smart, and it is about time he heeded their admonitions."

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said, "Instead of picking fights with Colin Powell, John McCain and other military experts, President Bush should change course, do what the American people expect, and finally give them the real security they deserve."

Warner, a former Navy secretary, is chairman of the Armed Services Committee. McCain is a former Navy pilot who spent more than five years in enemy captivity during the Vietnam War. Graham is a former Air Force Reserve judge. Powell, a retired general, is a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

On another major national security issue, Bush said he was disappointed that the number of U.S. troops in Iraq was climbing rather than falling. He said hopes for troop withdrawals were dashed by a spike in violence in Baghdad, where in just the past two days more than 130 people were killed in attacks or tortured and dumped in rivers and on city streets.

"Look, we all want the troops to come home as quickly as possible," the president said. Polls show the war is unpopular among Americans, and Republicans worry it could cost them votes. He said he would base troop levels on the recommendations of his top commanders, Gen. William Casey and John Abizaid, and said he had great confidence in both men.

Bush took vehement exception when asked about Powell’s assertion that the world might doubt the moral basis of the fight against terror if lawmakers went along with the administration’s proposal to come up with a U.S. interpretation of the Geneva Convention’s ban on "outrages upon personal dignity."

"If there’s any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it’s flawed logic," Bush said. "It’s just — I simply can’t accept that."

Growing animated, he said, "It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective."

Bush said the Geneva Convention’s ban was "very vague" and required clarification. "What does that mean, ‘outrages upon human dignity?’ That’s a statement that is wide open to interpretation."

He said that unless Congress acts, the CIA will end its program of tough interrogation methods that the administration says has prevented attacks.

"So Congress has got a decision to make," Bush said. "You want the program to go forward or not? I strongly recommend that this program go forward in order for us to be able to protect America."

On another anti-terror matter, with Osama bin Laden still at large five years after the 9/11 attacks, Bush said he could not send thousands of troops into Pakistan to search without an invitation from the government. "Pakistan’s a sovereign nation," Bush said.

At the same time, Bush expressed frustration that the United Nations had not sent peacekeepers to stop the misery in the Darfur region of Sudan. "What you’ll hear is, well, the government of Sudan must invite the United Nations in for us to act. Well, there are other alternatives, like passing a resolution saying, we’re coming in with a U.N. force, in order to save lives."

(The Associated Press contributed parts of this story)


  1. LizB

    Did anyone else notice how often W repeated himself in the press conference and during the Matt Lauer interview? He sputtered the same lines 2-3 times. He comes unravelled any time someone questions his policy-making ability.

  2. keith

    It would now appear that Mr. Bush’s grand strategy for world domination is starting to crash down around his ears. Even his once proud Secretary of State, General Colin Powell, is no longer buying into the rhetoric and is now speaking out against him in public. For a senior, retired military man with such solid, patriotic credentials and proud record of service to now do so speaks volumes.

    Mr. Bush’s attempts to re-write the precepts of the Geneva Conventions are not at all surprising. In fcat, they are right in line with his assertion that the US Constitution is just a “godddamed piece of paper”. That is, if losing our moral high ground is now “flawed logic” then all that right to privacy and right to due process under law stuff for all those in our custody under our Constitution is probably “flawed logic” as well.

    Certainly, our founding fathers never dreamed of the world we now live in and the challenges we now face when they wrote our Constitution. I’m sure those same founding fathers (many of whom previously signed the Declaration of Independence) were also considered “terrorists” to the King of England. But we’ve now been taught to believe that our “terrorists” of that day were somehow different. To us, they were “patriots”. But, just like many of the so-called “terrorists” we now face, our own founding fathers back then were also trying to rid their homeland of an occupying army.

    The reason we now have squadrons of fighter aircraft standing at the ready to shoot down airliners full of civilians is that our actions on the world stage have now fomented a burning hatred among many other peoples of the world. As a result, we now have little choice but to abandon our long-sacred precepts of personal privacy and due process under law to “homeland security”. And, unfortunately, in the process, Bush and his ilk have also now turned our once free nation into an armed camp.

    I’m firmly convinced that if the United States hadn’t been gallivanting all around the world in the last few decades to invade and then occupy other sovereign nations at will to “further our national interests” (at the obvious expense of theirs) then there might now be little or no need for their citizens to resort to terrorism to try and get us to leave.

    These people have no standing armies. They have no squadrons of fighter planes, or tanks or howitzers or aircraft carriers or atomic weapons. So, quite naturally, they are now resorting to the only weapon (terrorism) they currently have at their disposal that, in their minds at least, has even a remote chance of being effective.

    All too often we (and those governments we underwrite in the region, such as the Government of Israel) are viewed as unwwelcome and illegal occupiers of what a large segment of the world’s population now firmly believe are other nation’s sovereign territories. And, it would now appear that, at least for the moment (and despite all of the high-tech hardware that we are throwing into the fray to “secure” such places as Iraq and Afghanistan) these “terrorists” (patriots?) seem to at least be holding their own against us.

    Yes, Mr. President, I agree that we ARE in a different world! But, sadly, I believe it is a world that, to a large extent, our (and your) own imperial ambitions have largely created.

    We have apparently not yet learned that invading another’s sovereign territory to force our own style of “democracy” down people’s throats with a gun pointed at their head simply doesn’t work. And then we have the audacity to compound the problem by arrogantly wondering why such people then feel the need to fight back to get us to leave.

    Terrorism is a symptom. Imperialism is the problem…OUR imperialism. Pogo was absolutely right…. we HAVE “met the enemy and he is us”.

  3. california rick

    The White House will ‘flip-flop’ on this issue (…just like the Harriet Meyers issue-fiasco) when they see they have strong opposition.

    It’s about time that Lawmakers’ stand up to Mr. Bush and his FAILED and FLAWED policies!

  4. Jhoffa_

    Things are finally coming full circle for Georgie..

    The White Hats are closing in and he’s looking increasingly desperate.

    Wonder what else is buried in that bill he wants passed so badly?

  5. Charlotte

    I am so glad to see the President popping blood vessels. He deserves to scratch, grovel, and crawl every inch of the way with each piece of legislation involving our deployed armed forces. I’m particularly pleased that the Senate Armed Services Committe is at least making a show of it’s responsibilities to oversee military legislation. While this is a babystep of an improvement in the way things have operated in Congress, I’m very converned about the continued build up of mercenary forces, i.e. Blackwater, which operate with very little oversight or accountability.

  6. George

    Quote from Keith: Terrorism is a symptom. Imperialism is the problem…OUR imperialism. Pogo was absolutely right…. we HAVE “met the enemy and he is us”.

    Oh so true! The entire problem comes from the fact that long ago this country began to ignore the advice of or Forfathers who strongly suggested that it was best to “stay the hell out of other countrys politics”

    That is why we are where we’re at today.

  7. JimZ

    Just an addition to what keith said, interesting that before WWII, the “conservatives” of the U.S. were the ones trying to keep us out of meddling in other countries’ affairs and keep our troops at home. It was more of an honor to be a “pacifist” in that era. Now if you’re against any foreign “adventurism”, or imposing our “values” or corporations (read: corporate fascism) on others, then you are branded a “LIBERAL” (there’s that word again) or a “PACIFIST” (in a negative light) or worst “a cut and run Democrat” (doesn’t matter what you are or where you come from). When are ALL Americans going to figure out that our stupid interference in other countries are the roots of hatred and terrorism against us (no I’m NOT a bleeding-heart liberal nor a Democrat). Only when we wake up from the nightmare of the last 50 years of this (including what we did to Iran in 1953) then we can heal this. The divison of American via the Bush administration and the hate-spewing right-wing talk radio windbags is our greatest enemy.

  8. no name

    I have my reservations abut this great “awakening” from McCain, Graham and Warner.

    I am willing to bet that they will cave and all this is window dressing trying to prove that the Republicans are not rubber stampers. They will fold–all this is chest beating and in the end they will vote for what Bush wants.

    Or else, eh?

  9. keith

    Jim, as strange as it may seem, I, too, have always considered myself a “conservative”.

    But, like you, I’ve come to believe that, contrary to what our distinguished national leaders are new telling us, the terrorist don’t hate us for who we are or even for what we believe.

    They simply hate us for what we do.

  10. no name

    and I forgot–anything at all re torture and the Bush attempts to legitimize it from the Democrats–all I hear is crickets.

    The country is teetering on the brink of diasterous policies, above the disasters already suffered under a stupid little boy wnating to be a man–and this notion that one remain silent,ie let them hang theselves is cowardly indeed. this is my party? I am supposed to weigh my percious vote between one or the other, no matter how much of my own morals and ethics I have to surrender? Two party system makes slaves of us all. No wonder people will perceive the Democrats as wimps, as weak–that’s what they look like to me in the face of these horrors from Bush.

  11. Sir.Real

    “Administration critics suffer from moral or intellectual confusion”

    “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.”
    -Thomas Jefferson


    days hour min sec

  12. snoopy

    Yes Blackwater is a problem :(. Especially if u consider what kind of hardware these people have access to and that quite a bunch of there command staff consists of dishonorloy dischargde militery personal *ie. people with criminal records*… and if u can guess whos money is in there two u will have learnd a little more about how the wh works these days :(

    Oh and im also a little skeptical about mc cains credibility here

  13. Alex

    What I don’t want to see is this “Immunity” of our officials in Washington from prosecution for crimes already committed! Even the McCain wants this Immunity.

    Maybe congress should pass a retroactive law protecting murderer’s and rapists from being prosecuted?

  14. JimZ

    In my earlier post I got a little off-subject here but wanted to bring that point up. I do want to say that twice in 2 weeks on news shows (2 Sunday’s ago on Face The Nation and yesterday on CNN) Rep. Senator Mitch McConnell hinted numerous times on what Bush’s latest push on the interrogation and tribunals of foreign (supposedly) prisoners bill is about. He said that people against it would allow the interpretation of our actions by “foreign” war crimes courts so we need to “legalize” to protect our “interrogators” and our president from indictment because they may interpret the Geneva conventions differently than the recent push for “clarification” (if that’s what it really is). Our own court system has struck down the actions of King George 0 and his minions on this already, so we’re supposed to legalize/clarify it? What this is really about is protecting them from impeachment and/or convictions of war crimes, pure and simple while blowing smoke on us that it is somehow going to protect Americans from foreign meddling and terrorists. Any Senator or Congressman voting FOR the white house sponsored legislation is compicit in this. What we really need is for our legislative bodies to put and end to the current sadistic flirtation with torture, secret prisons, and secret rendition flights once and for all so we can get on with trying to solve REAL problems (too many to list) and allow the natural course of law and voters to decide how to rid us of this Bush and neocon cancer infecting our country. Even if Bush doesn’t get what he wants, he will just issue a signing statement saying he won’t follow the law, anyway. The Democrats would be almost guaranteed to be elected into power if they would just stand up to the neocons and also stand for PROTECTING THE CONSTITUTION! Why is it so hard for them to do that? Because they are part of the problem, as well.

  15. carol

    So little boy Georgie’s face is showing at last? Childish, spoiled, sadistic,petulent, bullying, and threatening. Not to mention dry drunk, and half brain dead from snorting. And THIS is what we have for “president” along with criminals like Gonzales, Ashcroft, Hu, Rice, Rummsfield, and dickless Cheney???!!

    What the hell did those ass kissers and boot lickers expect wouldl happen when they dared to rear off their hind legs and attempt to act like men? When they dared to say the word NO to little boy georgie?

  16. If only this were all real.

    But in reality, this is nothing more than a very bad “B” movie with even worse actors. People have to wakeup to the fact ALL of this “partisan” bickering and staged theatrics are exactly that. Weapons of mass distraction used to keep everyone occupied while the crimes are going on daily in behind the scenes. It has to end now.

  17. whistleb....

    Our research has shown the antichrist will not be recognized as such, (by the masses) can’t fool everyone, till after his demise and by subsequent history. This is the source of his power, decep— — — ah ah ah!

  18. Fact: Since the Bush administration started putting an end to terrorism, terrorist attacks in the world have increased from 175 in 2003 to 655 in 2004 (and rising).

    All of these facts can (and should) be avoided if you are to begin talking right. If someone brings them up, call them un-American, claim they are ignoring all the positive accomplishments of the Bush administration (don’t worry, you won’t be asked for any facts), claim they are pandering to the liberal agenda and/or giving comfort to the terrorists.

    Remember, right-talking is a team sport. You’re team can be #1 even if they lose every game. What is important is that you fill the stadium with screaming fans.

    Coming soon…Right Logic

  19. Allan

    I’m constantly reading of people making a comparison between Bush and Hitler. Since I was born three years after Hitler’s death I have no first hand knowledge of the man. I only know the propaganda written by the victors and I’ve read Mein Kamph.
    Hitler was a soilder, a hypnotizing political speaker who loved his country dearly, a brillant military leader, and attempted to remove a strangle hold on his country from an outside influence.
    Bush was a military drop out, a political speaker who can’t put three sentences together that make sense, a military leader that I would not follow to the out-house, and seems to be under the control of an outside influence .
    Someone please tell me the where the “like Hitler ” comes in.
    I do see the 60’s gun laws taken nearly word for word from the Nazi gun laws and Bush’s nearly event for NAZI event attempted takeover of AMERICA.
    The comparison eludes me

  20. rickrocket

    All this talk about appeasement and Neville Chamberlain makes me think of a Winston Churchill quote. Maybe if GWB wants to be like Churchill he should read this.

    “The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist.” -Winston Churchill

  21. Even Bush and his band of criminals can now see the writing on the wall, and it spells out not only their demise, but being tried as war criminals, among other offenses committed by this nefarious regime.

    He certainly has a case of the willies, and rightfully so.

    The gig is up. Let us hope we can salvage America, post-Bush.

  22. William Burke

    Sir.Real: please don’t use IM shorthand in a public forum. It makes you look low rent and aggravates many serious people.

    In case you can’t figure it out, “u” for “you” and “4” for “for” are IM-speak, and don’t belong in a public forum.

  23. Sandy Price

    Is this mess starting to sound like the history of Julius Caesar? We all know that the senate did ol’ Caesar in to stop his harmful actions and incessant whining. Et tu Brutus!

  24. Dale Anderson

    This is one of the few news conferences I have watched in awhile. I was stunned to see a person who rambled on and on and looked at times he was about to pop a blood vessel. Most stunning was the assertion if all nations took his lead on interrogation, the world would be a better place.

    Most people haven’t served in the military or overseas. Most of those people probably have a hard time seeing the dangers of going down the path the President wants to go down.

    Kudos to McCain, powell, etc. It’s good to see someone having the courage to stand up for what is right.

  25. mike chaney

    I’m afraid if george w. had a brain he would take it out and play wiht it. He is distroying America, shame on the fool.

  26. Bill

    It’s about time Bush shows his true face to the public; the face of the truly ugly
    American. He’s an obvious bully, a spoiled man who not gotten his way, then threatening if he doesn’t get it. He has usurped more power then any other president in history. He sees nothing wrong in torturing or maiming. We have always been a humane nation and now he wants to take that away from us, too. Put us on the same level as those who torture. The American people need to call for his removal. He pushed through the Patriot Act and still wants to make it permanent because it protects his butt. He can do anything he wants under its guise of patriotism. Now he wants to trash the Geneva Convention because it doesn’t satisfy his blood lust. He is constantly comparing this war to World War II; the true comparison is Bush to Hitler.

  27. Dale Anderson

    The President’s problem isn’t his intellegence. It’s his “moral compass.”
    for some issues, it appears to only be able to spin round and round.

  28. Lysistrata

    The Geneva Convention is not vague, it is a huge moral milestone in our history. It served us well for many years and now comes the little worm living in the WH and wants to destroy that too. Again he lies, he wants to clarify when he wants to eliminate it by setting the bar so low it would be nonexisting.
    If he gets his way, even partial, it will be proof of the moral poverty of everyone involved.

  29. Chuck

    So, is W saying that if the CIA can’t strip, beat, starve, and freeze prisoners then they’ll just quit with the interrogation program? Is this a case of “if you guys won’t let me cheat then I’ll pick up my marbles and go home?” Dang.

  30. Brother Tim

    So King George says if the Senate doesn’t pass his bill, the CIA will end the torture program — yeah right! When was the last time he told the truth? The man(?) is a pathological liar, it will continue, just more secretive than before.

  31. William Burke

    Robert: what if there IS no “post-Bush” America?

    I hate to bring it up, but another false-flag terror event, say, a “dirty nuke” in Chicago or Seattle, Bush will declare martial law and never lift it, making him President-for-Life… Unless the military has strong objections to same!

  32. Ainsley

    I was greatly dissapointed in Colin Powell when he went along with and endorsed Bush’s lies before the UN. I am glad to see Powell has recovered some of his manhood. What a contemptable little person Bush is compared to a retired officer and military veteran like Powell. The longer this current administration continues the more scary that little occupant in the Oval Office becomes!

  33. Rick

    Let me guess what happens next. The legislation gets defeated, a month or so passes and then a major terrorist attack(s) happens that will make 9/11 look like a walk in the park. This time it might be an a-bomb.

    Bush will be pissing himself with delight at this point, recounting how he tried to warn the American people about the bad terrorists, but they would’nt listen.

    Now comes patriot act 2,3,4 and 5. You people won’t be able to walk down the street without a permit, big brother will be everywhere.

    Now it’s time to round up all the dissidents and anyone else that’s got eyes to see what’s really going on, and then send them all off to torture land.

    The rest of the world is pinning thier hopes on the “real” patriotic spirit of the American people to impeach this sociopath and bring the U.S.A. into a role more in line with what’s left of your constitution.

  34. Al

    The proper forum and place to change the Geneva Conventions is by going through the very institution where it was created–The United Nations. You need clarity? Get it from the world body where it is applicable to everyone and humane. I am told that there are enough test cases and decisions on most any situation, scenario, already on the books that relates to Article 3 that there is no need for any special interpetations by any member nation.

    America, if you fall for this irrational logic by the president and his blood thirsty advisors, you will fall for anything.

  35. Shawn

    A previous poster mentioned that the founding fathers of our once great nation would have been astounded at the actions by Bu$hco and the resulting world we now live in. I suggest they would have dealt with the problem far before it got to the point that it has. The founding fathers, being the wise men they were, would have long ago noticed the deliberate subversion of our country and the perpetrators of said subversion would have been hanged for treason.

  36. Brother Tim

    Alan posted at 6:51 PM
    I’m constantly reading of people making a comparison between Bush and Hitler………..The comparison eludes me.

    Surely, you jest. Is this sarcasim or are you really that dense?

  37. ColourTheCat

    Before you flame me to death or simply delete this comment read it in its entirety.

    The lies Americans tell themselves about their own country astonish me. Lies like “we’re a peace loving nation “. Lies like “bush did this to us” In communist Russia the majority of people knew they were being lied to. In America the majority of people historically have swallowed the lies hook line and sinker.

    America as a nation is finished. What happened to your democracy ? Twice now you have watched as federal elections have been rigged and you did nothing. There were no mass demonstrations. There were no mass protests. Your people as a nation sat there and did nothing. Now your congress debates implementing torture and the removal of all basic human rights and you sit there doing nothing. You fill the blog pages with dreams of other people doing your dirty work. No real action is taken. No wonder bush isn’t afraid of you. Why should he be ? You sit there like cattle at the slaughterhouse door debating the virtues of the cheeseburger as you meekly wait your turn to go inside. There is no doubt in any thinking persons mind that bush is a war criminal. There is no doubt in any thinking persons mind that the US military’s sole purpose is to crush foreign nations under its jackboot. We, the people outside America know this. We lived with the threat of your jackboot since your nation was born. Did you really think we’d love you for it ? Did you really think we’d worship the people who murdered our loved ones, and stole OUR way of life? So your corporate whores could steal OUR resources ? Control our governments by proxy. Turn our countries into labour camps for the good of your nation? Of course you are hated for what your nation has done in the world. What surprises me is this didn’t come sooner.

    For decades you the people of the US have sat back and passively permitted your government to do whatever it pleased overseas. Be it this twice-unelected illegitimate government, or the so-called legitimate ones before it. Click the link in the first paragraph. See the lists of crimes your country has committed; the tin pot dictators it has supported. Quite a long list isn’t it ? Of course you are hated. You can’t do those sorts of things and be loved. You lied to yourselves for decades and decades and now the chickenhawks have come home to roost. And you act so surprised. Don’t be. Bush is the natural evolution your government has been headed for since day one. Brought about by an uncaring, uneducated populace. A populace that has been quite willing to accept almost without question the status quo. A populace that marginalized protesters into a fringe element to be laughed at and then ignored on the 6 o’clock “news”. The right to protest in the US exists only if you don’t use it. Just try to hold a protest on anything the government does and you’re 50 blocks away down an alley out of sight. Out of mind. Bush didn’t create that. Its been going on for many decades. The American people have been allowing it to happen though. For many decades.

    In a way though bush could be a good thing. He could be the thing that wakes America up. To what it really is. And how it is really viewed around the world. By the common people who have seen generation after generation crushed under its jackboot. But only if you the people of the USA are willing to ACT. And through these actions bring change. Blogging is good. It reminds us we’re not alone in our belief. It shows us outside the US that not all Americans are bloodthirsty scum. That some of you do in fact have a conscience. But time is running out to ACT. Soon it really will be too late. Soon the concentration camps your government runs overseas will be in America holding Americans just like you in them. Holding Americans that did have the courage to speak out. Holding you ?? Your family ? Your neighbor ? Your friends ? You children ?

    I’m trying hard not to hate all Americans. But it is really hard. I shake my head and ask myself why is it that you don’t ACT. You can see what is happening. Its written here on this website and other sites like it. But you don’t ACT. Words minus Actions = Nothing. Simple equation.

    Take responsibility. Don’t think someone in Washington is going to save you and clean up this mess for you. They aren’t. No government anywhere in the world has the interests of its people at heart. It has its own interests at heart. Physically protesting does work if there is enough of you. And there IS enough of you. Get together on the blogs, then Get INVOLVED. Physically involved. Not just going to vote on a machine that wont record your vote correctly. Go to meetings. If they won’t let you in, kick in the door. Literally. Its not up to government to save you. Its up to you to save your country. You CAN do it. But not if you sit there complaining and not ACTING. Time is running out. For you. For me. What are you going to do ? Flame with your words for not kissing your butts and saying “there there, its not your fault”. Or putting words into actions and making the changes you need so your very nation can survive. Choice is yours. Choose wisely. For yourselves. For your children. For your nation.

  38. cincigal74

    re;ColourtheCat,What you say is true.There is no outrage.The people in the sixties and seventies had protest marches every day.Now people are too lazy and do not care until it is too late.

  39. JimZ

    Sometimes I wonder what happened to the generation that stopped the Vietnam War insanity. Why did they decide to just sit around in their suburban homes and just get fat in front of the TV? They vote REPUBLICAN to be “safe in their homes and to protect their children” without a thought in their heads. Now the monster they choose to ignore is growing into the mammoth faschist machine we all fear. The world sits while we let our government bomb and kill their children and parents and all the generation does is pretend it doesnt exist or matter. Just put a pillow over your head and just let it all go away. I have lost respect for the generation that is now in the age group between 50-60 . Sad, oh so sad. Once the Bu$hies get all they want all that is left is the crying. Think about it. You know who you are…

  40. Jeff W.

    Well now, What a quote! We cannot go into Pakistan unless they invite us. Pakistan is a sovereign nation. When has that every stopped George W? He does whatever the hell he want’s to do. He don’t want to find Osama Bin Ladin, because he is not looking for Osama Bin Laden. Another reason is that Bin Ladin had nothing to do with 911. Bush is using this sovereign nation thing as a very, very flimsy excuse. Let’s see, did it stop him from going into Iraq? NO! Did he care what the U.N said or the rest of the world when he went into Iraq? Then why would he care if we went into pakistan looking for criminals and have to wait for an invite? Nobody invites Bush, he does what he wants to and that is why America is hated, HATED by the Third world countries. Haven’t you seen the videos of children saying that they hate americans and want them all to burn? We have no diplomatic relations anymore. Pathetic.

  41. M. L. LEMMON

    Bush should show us all that he really wants to protect America and stop the illegals from pouring over the border. But, lets face it, he’s sold this country off & out so many times, why should he fake showing us he cares? Who the hell would even pay attention anyway? Why fault Bush? He’s just doing what the brain dead population, of our once great country, allows him to get away with! He could declare himself dictator tomorrow and who would even think about it? Don’t even worry about it…Bill Gates and the New World Order are taking over anyway…but, who will notice?

  42. Good morning. I had to remove three comments from this thread today because each threatened or recommended violence toward the President. This web site will not be used to promote that kind of hate. While I am certainly no fan of President Bush’s actions, I do not wish him nor any other elected official harm and neither will Capitol Hill Blue. I suggest everyone remember that threatening the life of a President is a federal offense. Please refrain from making threats against anyone — be they an elected official or a poster on this or any other thread.



  43. George, please read the constitution that you swore to uphold (that “just a god damn piece of paper”–by the way, it’s not paper). It explicitly prohibits the passing of “ex post factor” laws. See you in the bucket someday, sucker!

  44. Mark McGrew

    We have all worn out our welcome here. It is time for us to pack up and move back to America. Only a masochist would stay in this country when it is so easy to just up and move back to the good ole’ USA.
    And we can make that move in November. We can all be home before Christmas.

  45. Allan

    Brother Tim, I am neither jesting,sarcastic,dense or a sheep to be led by anything other than my own conscience. Your name calling and lack of answers or comparisons shows that you are one of those “because I said so people”.

  46. Matt

    Bush, my friends, is a criminal and liar. The President’s efforts to “OK” torture is just a sign that he intends to allow this for future uses and that future is looking quite facist for us Americans. The Bush administration is showing to be responsible for the events of 9/11 and deals that were made with the nation of Pakistan (this is proven with the evidence that Taliban fighters have been allowed to escape into the nation of Pakistan). Watch
    9/11: Press for Truth

  47. david gray

    A picture is worth a thousand words. Still a petulant little boy who wants to take his toys and go home when he doesn’t get his way.

  48. Brother Tim

    Allan–Quit wearing your feelings on your sleeve. I didn’t call you any names. I merely asked if you were jesting or being sarcastic. The comparisons are there in the open. Since you, by your own admission, are in your late fifties, I assumed you would have been aware of the similarities, unless you were dense.
    I will give you a few to ponder over:

    1) A brilliant military leader? No. What defeated him was the same thing that is defeating Bush: Opening up too many fronts in his imperialistic war.
    2) Loved his country? No. He was a genocidal maniac who loved power, just like Bush.
    3)Attempted to remove his country from the stranglehold of an outside influence? No. The only outside influence was the same one Bush has now. The demonic influence of the craving for power–absolute power.
    4) Germany was a democratic republic, just like the United States. Hitler used a false-flag attack, by torching the Reichstag (German Parliment), and blaming it on the Communists. Bush had the World Trade Center on 9-11 and blamed al Qaeda. The only slight difference here is: Hitler then suspended the Constitution and siezed absolute power. The final chapter hasn’t been written by Bush yet, but he’s laying the groundwork as we speak.
    5) A point you didn’t make, but I will: Hitler used the ‘cloak of religion’. He had the backing of 90% of the Christian Ministers, the remaining 10% were either exiled or imprisoned. Take a good look at some of the pictures from the early Third Reich—emblazoned on the Nazi flag, in the center of the swastika, is the ‘Cross of Christ’.

    You can take these 5 examples and sub-divide them into a dozen more examples.

    So, this is where the “like Hitler” comes in. If you still can’t see it, sir, then you ARE dense. And that’s not name-calling, that’s reality.

  49. Allan

    Brother Tim,
    1)Brilliant on Hitler’s side is debatable but if America had not been tricked into dropping their nuetrality and declaring war on Germany things might have been different.( pure speculation)
    2)Loved his country. yes. He made many improvements to the economy and their standard of living.
    3)yes. There was an outside influence controling their,politics,finance, and news media just as there seems to be here.
    4)& 5) As I said Bush seems to be duplicating event for Nazi event in their takeover of this country. Do you actually believe that Bush is in charge?

  50. I’m sorry I can’t be more optimistic, Doctor, but we’ve got a long road ahead of us. It’s like having sex. It’s a painstaking and arduous task that seems to go on and on forever, and just when you think things are going your way, nothing happens.

  51. Mary Le Roy

    this is in reply to Jim Z who seems to feel that this whole mess can be blamed on the generation that stopped a war and kept the peace for this country until the senior mr. bush invaded Iraq for invading Kuwait–do you really for a minute understand the significance of that–a whole damn generation was raised that knew more of peace than of war. I am a 56 year old peace activist and have not spend the years since that time sitting on my ass, watching television, growing fat, and voting for the republicans. what generation are you, the one that sits around every night watching John Stewart and Stephen Colbert then not even bothering to cast your vote–someone who always finds a way to bleame someone, anyone for the way things are? Take a good long look at the people who are protesting–a great many of them carry the weight of their years–open your eyes and you will see many with wrinkles, slowed step–but yet we still march, weaker sight–but yet they see the clear course to be taken. And did we ever get a thank you –hell no we’re the fools who won’t get the hell out of the work force so the youngsters can have our jobs–we worked, paid our taxes but all we hear is hey you guys are going to make social security go broke–hurry up and die already so there will be something left for the youngsters–ever heard of the raging grannies? Have you offered to take the place of a recruit–i’ll bet not don’t set back and judge us–we had learned the lessons of Viet Nam all too well–58,000 dead brothers, husbands, fathers, friends and loved ones and don’t forget when our generation had our power hungry mad man in the whitehouse we put an end to that too. where is your generations Daniel Ellsburg, your protesters–too damn busy spending your time at your computers–when was the last time you went to Camp Casey–ever heard of all the fine ladies who work tirelessly with Code Pink–how many contributions have you made to antiwar organizations in the last 3 1/2 years I’m a bleeding-heart liberal but now I’m supposed to call myself a progressive–screw that, the old label is good enough for this old broad

  52. If this bill doesn’t get passed he will nuke his own country and blame everyone for not allowing torture.

    Once the nukes go off the whole world will never be the same.

    Russia/China need to put a stop to Bush before he puts a stop on every living being on earth.

  53. Schicklgruber

    ColourTheCat sadly you are spot-on. And as far as Hitler loving “his” county? No…he loved Germany. He was born to the foster daughter of his father who was Austrian. He was a failed Austrian artist who became a fanatical German Nationalist but I digress…Bush is another maniac that must go and it shouldn’t end with him…America is going to Hell in a speedboat we need to wakeup.