The secret dynamic of some white male blue collar Clinton support

Most white Democratic women support Hillary. They see her as the first of their gender to break this, the ultimate American glass ceiling for women. Their husbands and brothers may support her for one or both of two very different reasons.

One, they simply don’t want to vote for a (half) black person, something that has been discussed by analysts. I won’t address that here. Another reason seems to have been ignored. This is that they just can’t conceive of Hill really being the boss of Bill * if she gets elected.

I believe there are many white male blue collar who just can’t believe, or won’t even entertain the possibility, that any woman could dominate a man like Bill Clinton.

For some of these men, Bill represents an ego ideal not in spite of, but because of his serial affairs and the shameless brazenness of his Oval Office dalliance with Monika. They are the men who don’t parse the meaning of the word "is" because they assume that the only thing Bill did wrong was get caught.

These men see Bill puffing out his chest and spreading his peacock plume wagging his finger in the face of reporters who dare point out his repeated contradictory statements. They like his bluster and audacity.

He’s proud and pugnacious, and they like it. When Hillary comes across as strident , prompting the "B-word", they overlook it because they know if she’s elected, Bill will put her "in her place".

This is their Bill. This is a man who no one dominates, certainly not his wife, even if she has fought her way to be one of two final candidates for the Democratic nomination.

These voters will vote for Hillary Clinton assuming that behind the scenes Bill will be calling the shots.

The fact that his precise role in a Hillary Clinton White House can’t be predicted, and will no doubt be something speculated about, when it comes to running the country, Hill will be the boss of Bill.

But this doesn’t sink in with men who are culture bound to a view of marriages as male dominated. When they vote for Hillary, they really believe they are voting for a third Bill Clinton presidency.

I know I wrote a column speculating about whether Hillary had an underlying, perhaps unconscious, reason for tenaciously pursing the nomination despite the dwindling odds she can win. I titled that column "Does Hillary have a Monika motor driving her to be the boss of Bill?" That was about my belief that as president she could easily relegate Bill to the level of a GS-13 civil servant. It’s only peripherally relevant to this column.


  1. WriteForU2

    What kind of malarkey is this? What planet are you from? How about guys who like Hillary because she’s the strongest candidate? Has that ever occurred to you?

  2. Hal Brown

    There is no need for the first two sentences above, especially after my warning about deleting uncivil posts. Keep posts to the point.

    The third: The title of the column says "some".

    The fourth: Yes.


  3. sherry

    Hal, bless your heart. I have never, ever been called uncivil on this board or any other. If you think this was an attack, apparently you haven’t spent much time in the real world.
    I was stating a fact. Obama supporters are whiney. Just as Hillary supporters are whiney when things don’t go their way.
    I cannot help noticing however, that is perfectly ok, for someone to be uncivil, if they happen to be backing you man.
    Clearly you are not up for my comments, therefore, I will not comment on your articles again. That last thing I would want to do is offend you.:)

  4. Sheep

    Can you explain to me and to the rest of the WORLD, who are quite GOOD at MATH, how 54.3%-45.7% equals 10%?
    According to my math skills, 8.6% is what Billary won by.
    It’s people like you, FALSE NEWS NETWORK, RUSH WINBAG AND DUMB HANNITY continuously show the rest of American and the world, not only is AMERICA DUMB, BUT STUPID AS WELL!
    God help us all!
    Obama ’08


    Note from moderator: "It’s people like you" is an unnecessary attack on a fellow poster. Please refrain from this kind of reference.


  5. Hal Brown

    Sherry – I acted in haste to chastise you and I am sorry. What you said was indeed mild.

    I went out for pizza for an hour and returned to this and as you can see took immediate action. I can’t monitor the comments constantly but because I work from home I try to check them frequently.


  6. sherry

    ok Hal, surely you cannot chastise me, and allow those somewhat uncivil comments of Sheep to remain. I just know you are better than that.

  7. Sheep

    Message deleted.

    Continued uncivil postings about feelow members of our posting community will result in all your posts being summarily deleted without explanation.

  8. Doug Thompson

    All right. Everyone calm down. The poster who decided to engage in verbal acupuncture is history as will anyone else who uses such tactics.

  9. SEAL

    Oh Hell! I just got the pepsi poured and the popcorn out of the microwave and was all settled up in my recliner to watch the show. Now I will have to go find Keith Obermann or somebody else good at insulting with class.

    Seriously, I have always been impressed by this groups ability to discuss volitle issues with civility and intelligence. Only of late have a couple of people deviated from that. It only takes one, if allowed, to spoil the whole barrel.

    Thank you Doug for all that you do.

  10. staunchdem

    While the prospect of a third term for Bill Clinton may seem desireable to some I think the time of the Clintons has come and gone.
    I don’t think many of us saw it coming until Super Tuesday and from then on it’s been like watching someone fall downstairs in slow motion.
    Hillary’s camp failed to plan for the aftemath of Super Tuesday and that was a fatal flaw.
    We’ve all seen the numbers and the “Presumptive Nominee” just needs to be patient for a little while longer and he’ll grab the brass ring.
    At that point the Hillary supporters need to take a breath of fresh air, shake it off and immediately begin to tromp on John McCain.
    Unless one is willing to embrace four more years of the chimp’s policies there is no other rational choice.
    Remember folks, Dems are showing up in record numbers at the primaries because they’re sick of the status quo.
    Meanwhile McCain’s party really doesn’t like him, he’s really a poor candidate and one doesn’t have to turn over too many rocks to find plenty of crap to throw at him.
    Let’s concentrate on the big picture and prevail in December.

  11. pollchecker

    I enjoyed your column Hal Only thing is I don’t know any white women suppporting Hillary (including myself).

  12. nomar

    more sexism
    You posit an interesting possibility. To be archly PC, Sen Obama made some statements at a fund raiser that got out. Saying that people cling to religion &/or fire arms ownership to compensate for a bleak life may anger these people.
    Since Sen Clinton once had a 20 point lead in some polls earlier this year & polls are unreliable the only poll which counts in Pa was held on 4/22/08. Sen Clinton beat Sen Obama by a margin of 10 points. Could one say that Pa people who face what some call a bleak life cling to their right to vote?
    White males may have voted for Sen Clinton, a female, to protest Sen Obama’s stating that they cling to gun owning & religion to compensate for living a so called bleak life.

  13. Flapsaddle

    A wonderful, popcorn moment it was to read your column. The dynamic you describe – and I do not disagree as to its presence – seems strangely amusing.

    The Democratic party, the so-called “party of the people”, the party of inclusiveness, of liberal thought, of non-racism and all of the other TJ&AW mantras that political propagandists live by, contains women with the Stepford-like conditioning to vote for the woman only because she is a woman; it features male chauvinists who are voting for her because she will be controlled by her husband; and it harbors red-neck Archie Bunker clones who will vote for her because she is white and he is (half) black.

    Plus ça change…

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  14. sherry

    white middle aged woman supporting Hillary. Why? Because she is smart, tough as nails, paid her dues. Don’t really know Obama. Don’t really trust him. His once inspiring speeches are starting to sound rather tired. What on earth does, “we are the change we have been waiting for mean?”
    The ladies at my mother’s senior citizen center in WV are resigned to Obama getting the nomination. Not only are they voting for McCain, they are voting against everyone who endorsed Obama before the people of WV even have had the chance to vote.

    It’s nice the college kids and the doe eyed professors are for Obama, but it is the middle aged folk who will carry the day.
    And the democrats will lose. They deserve it.

  15. Belle

    If the white middlee aged females carry the day and make Shillary the leader of this country, God Help us ALl. Maybe along with their youth their intelligence has slipped away also. I am a white woman.. 84 and still have the brain power to know a charlatan when I see one, and Shillary leads the pack there There is nothing important about having a woman president, particularly one of her ilk. If we did not have a tongue tied media and talking heads in Clintons’ pocket, the truth about this so called woman would turn the grey haired women blue with anger. You really want ANOTHER war on our hands.. have you not already lost enough of our young people? Slimy Bill has been running for a 3rd term all along. and these women and their biggotted husbands want him to have it??? Read up on her gutter langauuge when alone in a room with people and someone crosses her….will make you blush,ladies. Any time someone like her will NOT give out personal papers or reveal their CURRENT IRS return, they are hiding somthing and don’t you forget it. Also the Clinton library– whos’ butt are they kissing for all those dollars? They won’t tell you … and you think Shriub is secretive??? Got news for you dolt heads out there… ain’t seen nothing yet!!!!! Heard about HER closed door meeting last week??? Look it up. Why you want someone who has made a total of $109 MILLION dollars in the past few years telling you she feels YOUR pain at lost jobs, lost homes, no health insurance.. can’t afford to send kids to college…well, it’s beyond me. You hear WHAT you want to, the hell with the truth!!!

  16. sherry

    holy cow Belle!
    I don’t care of Hill cusses like a sailor. I don’t but a lot of people do. Big Whoop.
    uh hmmm. She did release her returns. So did Obama and we are wondering just wHO paid his real estate taxes on his million dollar home?
    Yeah, the Clintons earned $109 mn since leaving office. It’s called book deals. Speeches. Prior to that, she was lawyer and he was a governor earning 30K a year before he became president.
    I have to wonder where you get off calling her names like Shillery? Do you think that gives you some level of credibility?
    Is Hillary corrupt? You betcha. This is not an election about saints. This is about who is going to work for me.
    Obama didn’t have the decency to keep his promise to serve the full first Senate term. He is a legislative light weight. Wifey got a 200K raise at the University Hospital where she worked when Obama became Senator. The same hospital also got a million USD ear mark.
    C’mon Belle. Don’t tell me you actually think your man is as pure as the driven snow.

  17. Hal Brown

    Welcome Belle!

    Heard about HER closed door meeting last week??? Look it up.

    I looked it up for our readers and assume this is the one you are referring to: Construction union facing bribe trial backs Hillary LINK


    So did Obama and we are wondering just wHO paid his real estate taxes on his million dollar home?

    Wifey got a 200K raise at the University Hospital where she worked when
    Obama became Senator. The same hospital also got a million USD ear mark.

    Who exactly is wondering this, suggesting inpropriety, Fox News and right wing talk radio? The raise story by the way is on Free Republic (LINK)

    "Wifey" is moving up in the medical corporate world. Perhaps, just perhaps, she’s highly qualified to do so.

    As far as earmarks go, note that Obama has released ALL of the earmarks he sponsered [See "Obama lists earmarks, asking Clinton for hers "LINK]

    These non-stories are hyped by the right wing as if there is scandal there, when it is Congressional business as usual.

  18. sherry

    Wow. a 200K raise in one fell swoop? That is amazing. Especially since it came on the heels of her hubby’s election to the Senate. I am sure it is just nothing but pure coincidence and after all, she is well qualified and had it coming. That million USD ear mark is just good business.
    I didn’t get it from Faux News. That said, if you are getting all whiney with me, just wait until the GOP gets hold of him. You will be in a collective fetal position!

  19. Hal Brown


    Keep terms like whiney regarding fellow posters out of the comments on my columns if you please. Be respectful of all fellow posters including me. I take Doug’s rule about civility very seriously. It may not seem like much of an attack but I have found that allowing even one mild attack leads a few others to think it is acceptable to deviate from maintaining good manners towards fellow members of this online community.