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  1. Keith

    Perhaps the Feds (in their infinite wisdom) can also explain why geologists (of which I am one) keep finding tropical fossils in Alberta and British Columbia, Canada.

    The truth is that “climate change” on our Earth has been going on for eons. We are also STILL coming out of a mini-ice age that happened over 10,000 years ago.

    What’s more, one major volcanic eruption on the planet spews more “greenhouse gas” and other such crap into our atmosphere than mankind has done since the dawn of the industrial revolution.

    The other truth that nobody is talking about is that the so-called climate change “models” these clowns keep holding up as “evidence” are so complex that changing any one of the myriad of assumptions that go into the calculations skews the results dramatically.

    Or, to put it another way, it’s yet another case of “garbage in, garbage out”.

    Clearly, all this “sky is falling” rhetoric has FAR more to do with University “egg heads” obtaining more federal grant money for their continued research than in finding out the real truth of what’s actually happening…and why.

    “Climate change” has now become something akin to a religion, and anyone who challenges what now passes for “conventional wisdom” in that regard is speaking blasphemy.

    Guilty as charged.

  2. Your no geologist or you’d never make such a stupid statement as the one you opened your mindless rant with. “Perhaps the Feds (in their infinite wisdom) can also explain why geologists (of which I am one) keep finding tropical fossils in Alberta and British Columbia, Canada.” I guess at the Biblical school of geology you got your degree at also doesn’t believe in plate tectonics either. Your right about the garbage part, because your whole post is nothing but ignorant trash.

  3. Keith

    Spoken like (yet another) “true believer”.

    I’d suggest doing a search on the “Burgess Shale” or “tropical fossils found in Antarctica”, but that would only further confuse you with facts. And the geology degree on MY wall says “University of New Hampshire”. Where’s yours from?

      • Keith

        So, no degree, eh?

        Or, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said, “Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But they are NOT entitled to their own facts.

  4. How many climatologists have to get stuck in Antarctica (50+ so far) and how many years does the Earth have to cool (14 years thus far) before this nonsense ends?

    The reason for the urgency is because the current cooling trend is becoming too significant to deny.

    • Keith

      Right on, Woody!

      And, am I the only one who noticed that the “true believers” in the mainstream media kept referring to those 50+ climatologists who got stuck in that supposedly vanishing Antarctic sea ice as “tourists”?

      Clearly, anyone with a cell phone these days now thinks they are a photographer. And anyone with a laptop thinks they are are a journalist.

      Unfortunately, “belief” has now become a very sorry substitute for “education”.

    • Jon

      PS – There is no cooling trend. Land temperatures are only part of the equation, and the ocean temperatures more than rose enough to counteract any oscillaction in land temperatures. J.

      • Jon

        I come here, blutodog, mostly for the contrary opinions. Sometimes they have something useful to add, if only a better idea on how they got a perspective that skewed.

        Keith’s reply is completely incoherent. Ice is now land? what?

        No, the whole point is ‘climate change’. Some places will get warmer. Some places will get colder. See the ‘Gulf Stream’ and note that London is roughly the same latitude as Calgary, and observe the differences in climate due to all kinds of interesting differences.

        The whole world, however, is getting warmer, and it’s because of human activity. Nobody qualified to comment upon the matter disagrees at all.

        Not all qualifications are the same. A PhD in physics does not qualify you to comment on biology. A PhD in Chemistry does not qualify you to comment on automotive repair. A PhD in Geology does not qualify you to comment on climate change.

        Take your appeal to your irrelevant authority and stuff it where the sun don’t shine. Perhaps it’ll warm up there.

        Jon

        • I’m sure Keith can defend himself, but I wanted to point out that the USGS does study climate.

          Geologists also have an understanding of scientific method, and how science is rarely settled.

          I also wouldn’t say, “Nobody qualified to comment upon the matter disagrees at all.” when 31,487 American scientists have signed a petition broken down into the following categories:

          1. Atmosphere (579)

          I) Atmospheric Science (112)
          II) Climatology (39)
          III) Meteorology (343)
          IV) Astronomy (59)
          V) Astrophysics (26)

          2. Earth (2,240)

          I) Earth Science (94)
          II) Geochemistry (63)
          III) Geology (1,684)
          IV) Geophysics (341)
          V) Geoscience (36)
          VI) Hydrology (22)

          3. Environment (986)

          I) Environmental Engineering (487)
          II) Environmental Science (253)
          III) Forestry (163)
          IV) Oceanography (83)

          4. Computer Science (242)

          5. Math (693)

          I) Mathematics (581)
          II) Statistics (112)

          6. Physics (5,225)

          I) Physics (2,365)
          II) Nuclear Engineering (223)
          III) Mechanical Engineering (2,637)

          7. Aerospace Engineering (587)

          8. Chemistry (4,822)

          I) General Chemistry (3,129)
          II) Chemical Engineering (1,693)

          9. Biochemistry (744)

          I) Biochemistry (676)
          II) Biophysics (68)

          10. Biology (1,438)

          I) Biology (1,049)
          II) Ecology (76)
          III) Entomology (59)
          IV) Zoology (149)
          V) Animal Science (105)

          10. Agriculture (783)

          I) Agricultural Science (296)
          II) Agricultural Engineering (114)
          III) Plant Science (292)
          IV) Food Science (81)

          12. Medicine (3,046)

          I) Medical Science (719)
          II) Medicine (2,327)

          13 General Engineering (9,833)

          I) Engineering (7,280)
          II) Electrical Engineering (2,169)
          III) Metallurgy (384)

          14. General Science (269)

          It seems our definition of “Nobody” also does not align with one another. We should agree on some baseline facts to have an actual productive discussion on climate.

  5. Let’s put it another way. The typical thermometer is accurate to +/- 2 degrees. That means at 75 degrees one could have 10 thermometers lined up and have readings from 73 degrees to 77 degrees. Is also means a supposed rise of 1.3 and 1.9 degrees is within the instruments margin or error, which makes it a NEGLIGIBLE rise that could be due to instrument calibration. DOH!

    • Funny thing to note, if it is due to instrument calibration, then it really is a man-made increase in temperature…temperature reading that is! LOL!

    • Jon

      Funny, I don’t think what they are using are “typical” thermometers. Furthermore, even if they were, one can get valid results just through statistical analysis.

      The world has been warmer in the past.

      And humans weren’t involved.

      But the dinosaurs didn’t have six billion of them relying on highly climate-dependent agriculture. The dinosaurs didn’t have to deal with climate changing at anywhere near the rate is it now (aside from the asteroid (which killed most of them)).

      Maybe you’re happy with a world full of six billion starving people and global chaos involving nuclear weapons, but somehow I don’t think that’s exactly an optimal outcome for you, for me, and for the human race.

      Jon

    • Jon

      I just have to go off on this again. woody188, do you honestly believe that those responsible for measuring the global temperature just went down to Walmart and bought whatever thermometer was on the shelf? No. I wasn’t a part of it, but there’s a department of my University called ‘Millidegree Physics’, meaning they’re not only measuring, but acting upon, temperatures accurately measured to one thousanth of a degree Centigrade.

      Yeah, the crap you buy ain’t that great. Those who know what they are doing know at least enough to purchase or build better measuring tools.

      Jon

      • They place these stations and then never check them again. I have to calibrate my instruments at least once per year. I would not be surprised if they discovered many of their high resolution instruments have become very inaccurate.

        Likewise, I don’t believe modelling is science. And as the models have already been proven wrong as indicated by snow in England, Great Lakes frozen well in to spring, and ice build up in Antarctica and the the Arctic. The models said these things would never happen after 2013. Oops!

        Besides, we can’t predict the weather out 24 hours, and you knuckleheads want to believe these climate predictions up to 100 years ahead.

        The hubris shown thinking humans can change the climate of a planet is amazing. Maybe if one blows opposite the wind and the wind changes direction, then that person had a hand in changing the wind. Ha, absurd!

        I guess butterflies in Africa cause hurricanes to form in the Atlantic!

        See how dumb ya’ll sound?

        • Jon

          “They place these stations and then never check them again.”

          citation needed

          “I would not be surprised if they discovered many of their high resolution instruments have become very inaccurate.”

          citation needed

          “Likewise, I don’t believe modelling is science.”

          I do.

          ” And as the models have already been proven wrong as indicated by snow in England, Great Lakes frozen well in to spring, and ice build up in Antarctica and the the Arctic. The models said these things would never happen after 2013. Oops!”

          citation needed

          “Besides, we can’t predict the weather out 24 hours, and you knuckleheads want to believe these climate predictions up to 100 years ahead.”

          The weather is not the same as climate.

          “The hubris shown thinking humans can change the climate of a planet is amazing. Maybe if one blows opposite the wind and the wind changes direction, then that person had a hand in changing the wind. Ha, absurd!”

          Tell that to nuclear warfare. Oddly enough, a deliberately induced nuclear winter might be an interesting way of curing global warming and climate change.

          “I guess butterflies in Africa cause hurricanes to form in the Atlantic!

          See how dumb ya’ll sound?”

          No. Actually, I’d say the opposite. And a citation for your ‘petition’ would be nice too, considering also that not all scientists are equal.

          I’ll grant you one thing: It’s quite possible to find a few kooks in any field. Most of the fields you listed are entirely irrelevant anyhow. But I’d call 97% a pretty overwhelming majority, and here’s a citation:

          http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article

          Have fun,

          Jon

        • Bill Cravener

          [Woody188 quote] I guess butterflies in Africa cause hurricanes to form in the Atlantic!

          You really are funny! There is if I am not mistaken an estimated 500,000 scientists in the US.

          For every link you post that says a scientist disagrees with the human effect on climate change I can post 10 that say that we are the direct cause of climate change.

          Yep, I can post links too.

          “more than 97% of scientists working in the disciplines contributing to studies of our climate, accept that climate change is almost certainly being caused by human activities.”

          http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm

          • Yes, one should always link to the website of a cartoonist when debating science consensus versus science fact. Thanks again for your inciteful input.

  6. Glenn Klotz

    Yea, its all just a Lol instrument calibration error. If this situation wasn’t as dire as its turning out to be both of you idiots might be mildly entertaining, but your arrogance added to your ignorance on the topic is just annoying.

    • Hi Glenn. I recycle and compost. My landfill bag is less than one kitchen bag a week for !my family of four. I care for the Earth and our environment. I’Be read John Muir and others. I’ve given money to save the whales. I’ve “adopted” wild animals. I’ve worked to keep domestic animal populations in check to give wild animals a better chance against unnatural predators. I maintain a natural space on my farm that is untouched by humans.

      I don’t care for lies and manipulation of data to promote a political agenda disguised as science. I don’t care for threats and intimidation. If it is occurring, share the raw data, allow for repeatability in the experiments, or STFU. Real science not globalist “just trust us because we destroyed the data and went on a campaign to suppress opposing views but we have a consensus so you should just stop looking” propaganda. If consensus was fact the Earth would be flat and be the center of the universe.

        • You could probably lower your carbon footprint by not trolling the Internet all night. Wonder how much coal was burned to power your computer, your router, modem, ISP node, trunk line, and so forth to post such nonsense.