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		<title>By: Wayne K Dolik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne K Dolik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saw a sign in fronn of a gun store located in the far northwest. It read, &quot;If you voted for Obama in the last presidential election, turn around you are to stupid to own a firearm!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw a sign in fronn of a gun store located in the far northwest. It read, &#8220;If you voted for Obama in the last presidential election, turn around you are to stupid to own a firearm!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne K Dolik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne K Dolik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, can anyone tell us why our government is buying so many hollow point bullets? Truth is they could be for us? Just wondering.   

Your. elected leaders don&#039;t give a darn what you want or think. They have their own agenda. Folks the Second Amendment is the last of our Constitutional freedoms. Did I say it is time to wake-up?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, can anyone tell us why our government is buying so many hollow point bullets? Truth is they could be for us? Just wondering.   </p>
<p>Your. elected leaders don&#8217;t give a darn what you want or think. They have their own agenda. Folks the Second Amendment is the last of our Constitutional freedoms. Did I say it is time to wake-up?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find a lot of the pro-pistol folks to be either unconsciously or consciously facetious with some arguments, as I did with LaPiere&#039;s happy talk about just locking up the mentally ill solving all the problems.
My avid gun owning friends invariably justify no additional legislation with the emphatic statement that &quot;We have 10,000 (sometimes set at 20,000 if extra emphasis is needed) gun laws now that aren&#039;t enforced, so there is no need for additional gun laws.&quot; I have researched that claim and found no credible data to support it. It does make for a good bar-stool rejoinder, though. It is also a straw-argument. 
The problem is not the laws that we allegedly have on the books that are not enforced, but that we have monster-truck sized loopholes in those laws. No private-sale or gun-show background checks are the major mechanism for otherwise law-abiding, god-fearing citizens to transfer their legal weapons to the black market for fun and profit. Go to a gun show someday and check it out. Sure, there is a .410 shotgun or a .22 bolt-action or two there, but the majority of what you see is lots of heavy caliber automatic handguns and tactical-style &quot;Modern Sporting Rifles&quot;, along with an endless supply of sniper accessories, bulletproof garments euphemistically labeled as &quot;Shooting Vests&quot; and stuff every hunter really needs, like night-vision sights and goggles. Gun shows used to be places where deer-hunters went to get a fancy new tree-stand. Now they are mostly flea-markets for wannabe urban-guerrilla fighters and those who could not legally buy a gun over-the-counter.
Something else that would help is repealing the product-liability law exemption for gun manufacturers. It is entirely within the state-of-the-art to manufacture a gun that is personalized to the owner so that he/she and only he/she can pull the trigger. Guns have been traditionally all-mechanical devices, but that certainly does not have to be the case. Modern electronics could make it a whole lot harder for some kid to steal his mama&#039;s AR-15 and then kill her and a schoolroom full of kids with it. If gun manufacturers shared some of the responsibility to make their product safe, it would certainly help.
I think a lot of the gun-glut is driven by simple economics. Guns are durable goods. I reviewed my arsenal the other day: I have an automatic 12-ga shotgun that was made in 1926 and a few .22 plinking rifles made in the 1930&#039;s. The shotgun still works just fine, 87 years after it was made. So do the .22&#039;s. Hunting guns seldom wear out. With 300 million guns in circulation in the US, the legal market is pretty saturated. So, absent a fat Gov contract for military arms, what do gun manufacturers do? Fight to the finish any law that shrinks their market, for one thing. One way of doing that has been to convert the NRA from a hunters organization to a manufacturer&#039;s lobbying organization (and serendipitously, a lobbying organization for criminals that want to buy weapons). It has been pretty effective so far.
Once again, there is no magic bullet that will automatically remove all guns from the black-hat folks, but throwing up our hands and giving up on doing anything is to condemn a lot of folks in the future to death by gunshot. I find the argument that we can&#039;t do anything because it won&#039;t fix everything painfully disingenuous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find a lot of the pro-pistol folks to be either unconsciously or consciously facetious with some arguments, as I did with LaPiere&#8217;s happy talk about just locking up the mentally ill solving all the problems.<br />
My avid gun owning friends invariably justify no additional legislation with the emphatic statement that &#8220;We have 10,000 (sometimes set at 20,000 if extra emphasis is needed) gun laws now that aren&#8217;t enforced, so there is no need for additional gun laws.&#8221; I have researched that claim and found no credible data to support it. It does make for a good bar-stool rejoinder, though. It is also a straw-argument.<br />
The problem is not the laws that we allegedly have on the books that are not enforced, but that we have monster-truck sized loopholes in those laws. No private-sale or gun-show background checks are the major mechanism for otherwise law-abiding, god-fearing citizens to transfer their legal weapons to the black market for fun and profit. Go to a gun show someday and check it out. Sure, there is a .410 shotgun or a .22 bolt-action or two there, but the majority of what you see is lots of heavy caliber automatic handguns and tactical-style &#8220;Modern Sporting Rifles&#8221;, along with an endless supply of sniper accessories, bulletproof garments euphemistically labeled as &#8220;Shooting Vests&#8221; and stuff every hunter really needs, like night-vision sights and goggles. Gun shows used to be places where deer-hunters went to get a fancy new tree-stand. Now they are mostly flea-markets for wannabe urban-guerrilla fighters and those who could not legally buy a gun over-the-counter.<br />
Something else that would help is repealing the product-liability law exemption for gun manufacturers. It is entirely within the state-of-the-art to manufacture a gun that is personalized to the owner so that he/she and only he/she can pull the trigger. Guns have been traditionally all-mechanical devices, but that certainly does not have to be the case. Modern electronics could make it a whole lot harder for some kid to steal his mama&#8217;s AR-15 and then kill her and a schoolroom full of kids with it. If gun manufacturers shared some of the responsibility to make their product safe, it would certainly help.<br />
I think a lot of the gun-glut is driven by simple economics. Guns are durable goods. I reviewed my arsenal the other day: I have an automatic 12-ga shotgun that was made in 1926 and a few .22 plinking rifles made in the 1930&#8242;s. The shotgun still works just fine, 87 years after it was made. So do the .22&#8242;s. Hunting guns seldom wear out. With 300 million guns in circulation in the US, the legal market is pretty saturated. So, absent a fat Gov contract for military arms, what do gun manufacturers do? Fight to the finish any law that shrinks their market, for one thing. One way of doing that has been to convert the NRA from a hunters organization to a manufacturer&#8217;s lobbying organization (and serendipitously, a lobbying organization for criminals that want to buy weapons). It has been pretty effective so far.<br />
Once again, there is no magic bullet that will automatically remove all guns from the black-hat folks, but throwing up our hands and giving up on doing anything is to condemn a lot of folks in the future to death by gunshot. I find the argument that we can&#8217;t do anything because it won&#8217;t fix everything painfully disingenuous.</p>
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		<title>By: blutodog</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 01:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a gun owner and I think some common sense needs to be put into the mix. As it&#039;s always said, guns don&#039;t kill people, people kill people. True enough, except that&#039;s not the end of it. I&#039;d add they kill a lot more efficiently and quickly when armed with a gun. Oh and I&#039;ve had to use a gun twice to defend myself from being robbed and or murdered by individuals high on drugs, so I don&#039;t minimize there use when needed. Still, everyone should have to be back ground checked before buying a gun , gun shows included. America is awash with guns fewer on the streets wouldn&#039;t hurt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a gun owner and I think some common sense needs to be put into the mix. As it&#8217;s always said, guns don&#8217;t kill people, people kill people. True enough, except that&#8217;s not the end of it. I&#8217;d add they kill a lot more efficiently and quickly when armed with a gun. Oh and I&#8217;ve had to use a gun twice to defend myself from being robbed and or murdered by individuals high on drugs, so I don&#8217;t minimize there use when needed. Still, everyone should have to be back ground checked before buying a gun , gun shows included. America is awash with guns fewer on the streets wouldn&#8217;t hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Nemo **==</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Nemo **==</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I can say is &quot;Amen&quot; to your editorial Doug Thompson. Spot on!

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“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” ... Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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Carl Nemo **==]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is &#8220;Amen&#8221; to your editorial Doug Thompson. Spot on!</p>
<p>*****</p>
<p>“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” &#8230; Benjamin Franklin, 1759</p>
<p>*****</p>
<p>Carl Nemo **==</p>
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		<title>By: beachshoe</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/46335/comment-page-1#comment-230454</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with most of the above responders and also believe it is an issue that needs much thought. That being said, I agree that mental health professionals will tell you that they cannot predict any future actions of the mentally imbalanced and they can only study their past. If society could lock up the mentally dangerous types, who is going to set the guidelines? Who is qualified? A truly slippery slope there. I personally think that the latest gun headlines are just a reason for government to further restrict gun owners and ownership. There are more than enough laws on the books and more would do nothing to solve the problem at hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the above responders and also believe it is an issue that needs much thought. That being said, I agree that mental health professionals will tell you that they cannot predict any future actions of the mentally imbalanced and they can only study their past. If society could lock up the mentally dangerous types, who is going to set the guidelines? Who is qualified? A truly slippery slope there. I personally think that the latest gun headlines are just a reason for government to further restrict gun owners and ownership. There are more than enough laws on the books and more would do nothing to solve the problem at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 00:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sue, nice post. I, too am a gun owner who lives in the country.

 Too often this issue is expressed in 15 second soundbites on the nightly news - the more outrageous the better for ratings. 

It is complicated and that is why we must continue *rational* dialogue. Last week, there was a pretty good hour-long discussion on AC360 where individuals from nearly all points of view had the opportunity to talk in detail about what they would like to see. I learned some things I did not know - and that is always a good thing.

Bottom line, the radicals at both ends of this issue are wrong, IMO. The answer lies somewhere in the middle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, nice post. I, too am a gun owner who lives in the country.</p>
<p> Too often this issue is expressed in 15 second soundbites on the nightly news &#8211; the more outrageous the better for ratings. </p>
<p>It is complicated and that is why we must continue *rational* dialogue. Last week, there was a pretty good hour-long discussion on AC360 where individuals from nearly all points of view had the opportunity to talk in detail about what they would like to see. I learned some things I did not know &#8211; and that is always a good thing.</p>
<p>Bottom line, the radicals at both ends of this issue are wrong, IMO. The answer lies somewhere in the middle.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 06:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The point isn&#039;t that &quot;The American government cannot — and will not — stop senseless murders&quot;.  There will always be some.  The government cannot stop them all.

But just because we can&#039;t stop them all doesn&#039;t mean we should not try to stop some of them.

The point is to reduce the number thereof, and reduce the severity thereof when they do occur.

For that, I think the best medicine is the restriction on high-capacity magazines.  If you look at the very few cases where an armed bystander actually was effective, it was when the shooter was taking time to reload.

This is also, I believe, elementary practice for military personnel - Get &#039;em while they&#039;re reloading.  I also entirely fail to see the point of 10+ round magazines in hunting and target shooting.  Yep, it&#039;s fun to blow off thirty or more rounds quickly, but your fun does not equate to a civil right.  Driving crazily is fun, too.

Not, actually, that they&#039;re really severe anyhow.  The risk of death to a typical American schoolchild is still far greater while driving to and from school than to a gunman at school.

So yes, there should be rules about driving.  There should be rules about guns.  That&#039;s the point of government - making and enforcing rules that help us all to live together and in peace.

J.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point isn&#8217;t that &#8220;The American government cannot — and will not — stop senseless murders&#8221;.  There will always be some.  The government cannot stop them all.</p>
<p>But just because we can&#8217;t stop them all doesn&#8217;t mean we should not try to stop some of them.</p>
<p>The point is to reduce the number thereof, and reduce the severity thereof when they do occur.</p>
<p>For that, I think the best medicine is the restriction on high-capacity magazines.  If you look at the very few cases where an armed bystander actually was effective, it was when the shooter was taking time to reload.</p>
<p>This is also, I believe, elementary practice for military personnel &#8211; Get &#8216;em while they&#8217;re reloading.  I also entirely fail to see the point of 10+ round magazines in hunting and target shooting.  Yep, it&#8217;s fun to blow off thirty or more rounds quickly, but your fun does not equate to a civil right.  Driving crazily is fun, too.</p>
<p>Not, actually, that they&#8217;re really severe anyhow.  The risk of death to a typical American schoolchild is still far greater while driving to and from school than to a gunman at school.</p>
<p>So yes, there should be rules about driving.  There should be rules about guns.  That&#8217;s the point of government &#8211; making and enforcing rules that help us all to live together and in peace.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 21:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very, very complicated issues...

First, I own a gun.  I was raised in the country, and my dad regularly had to shoot dogs going after our livestock.  City people just didn&#039;t get that bringing their city-dogs out here and turning them loose was a recipe for creating a marauding pack.  So, everybody learned to shoot safely as soon as we were big enough to hold up the weight of the shotgun.

Next, my mother is bi-polar and/or schizophrenic.  She was originally diagnosed with schizophrenia in Nov. 1964, and her diagnosis was updated sometime during the 80&#039;s to bi-polar disorder type-II.  She has cycled in and out of various mental instituations every 2-3 years for the last 48 years.

Mom has been 100% deaf in her right ear since Feb. 1983 when she shot herself in the head.  Dad thought he&#039;d gotten all the guns and ammunition out of the house, but she found his 22 pistol, and a very old stale bullet.  So, that bullet bounced off her skull instead of killing her, but the concussion destroyed her eardrum, and she gets frequent inner ear infections.

Certainly, any rational and humane person would agree that there&#039;s more than enough evidence here to deny my bat-sh!t crazy mother access to guns.

But, what about my father?  My parents don&#039;t raise livestock anymore, since all their children are long gone, and the cost of feeding us hasn&#039;t been their responsibility for decades.  So, Dad no longer needs a weapon to protect his food source from dog packs.

Complicated...

But wait - there&#039;s more! (as they say in the commercials - grin)

I have a gun.  Long story, but I&#039;ve had it for over 30 years since I started living on my own in towns and cities, and someone tried to break into my first apartment in the middle of the night while I was alone.

Yep, nowadays I&#039;m a city-girl.  My husband doesn&#039;t like guns, and he&#039;s always been a city-boy with little experience with them, and no interest in learning.  Our sons are 20 and 15, and don&#039;t want anything to do with guns either.  Older-son has autism, but he&#039;s pretty high-functioning, and is a successful college student with a GPA above 3.1.

When older-son was 9 or 10, Grandpa (my father) gave him a BB gun for Christmas.  Our boy asked not to have it at home.  It stayed at Grandpa&#039;s house.  Grandpa has offered many times to teach both older-son and younger-son to shoot the BB gun.  They were never interested, much to Grandpa&#039;s disappointment.  To be very clear, here, hubby and I were in favor of Grandpa teaching the boys - because we knew how seriously he would take their safety, and we knew that he&#039;d train them right.

So, here&#039;s the &quot;more&quot; complicated part - is my son&#039;s autism a reason that I shouldn&#039;t have my gun in my house?  Is my husband and my sons&#039; lack of training and experience a good reason for me to get my gun out of their home?

It&#039;s complicated.

But lets keep talking about it, and listening to each other.  I agree with the majority that we&#039;re never going to make ourselves and our children perfectly safe from gun (or other forms of) violence.  But there has to be things that would make us and them safer...  Doesn&#039;t there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very, very complicated issues&#8230;</p>
<p>First, I own a gun.  I was raised in the country, and my dad regularly had to shoot dogs going after our livestock.  City people just didn&#8217;t get that bringing their city-dogs out here and turning them loose was a recipe for creating a marauding pack.  So, everybody learned to shoot safely as soon as we were big enough to hold up the weight of the shotgun.</p>
<p>Next, my mother is bi-polar and/or schizophrenic.  She was originally diagnosed with schizophrenia in Nov. 1964, and her diagnosis was updated sometime during the 80&#8242;s to bi-polar disorder type-II.  She has cycled in and out of various mental instituations every 2-3 years for the last 48 years.</p>
<p>Mom has been 100% deaf in her right ear since Feb. 1983 when she shot herself in the head.  Dad thought he&#8217;d gotten all the guns and ammunition out of the house, but she found his 22 pistol, and a very old stale bullet.  So, that bullet bounced off her skull instead of killing her, but the concussion destroyed her eardrum, and she gets frequent inner ear infections.</p>
<p>Certainly, any rational and humane person would agree that there&#8217;s more than enough evidence here to deny my bat-sh!t crazy mother access to guns.</p>
<p>But, what about my father?  My parents don&#8217;t raise livestock anymore, since all their children are long gone, and the cost of feeding us hasn&#8217;t been their responsibility for decades.  So, Dad no longer needs a weapon to protect his food source from dog packs.</p>
<p>Complicated&#8230;</p>
<p>But wait &#8211; there&#8217;s more! (as they say in the commercials &#8211; grin)</p>
<p>I have a gun.  Long story, but I&#8217;ve had it for over 30 years since I started living on my own in towns and cities, and someone tried to break into my first apartment in the middle of the night while I was alone.</p>
<p>Yep, nowadays I&#8217;m a city-girl.  My husband doesn&#8217;t like guns, and he&#8217;s always been a city-boy with little experience with them, and no interest in learning.  Our sons are 20 and 15, and don&#8217;t want anything to do with guns either.  Older-son has autism, but he&#8217;s pretty high-functioning, and is a successful college student with a GPA above 3.1.</p>
<p>When older-son was 9 or 10, Grandpa (my father) gave him a BB gun for Christmas.  Our boy asked not to have it at home.  It stayed at Grandpa&#8217;s house.  Grandpa has offered many times to teach both older-son and younger-son to shoot the BB gun.  They were never interested, much to Grandpa&#8217;s disappointment.  To be very clear, here, hubby and I were in favor of Grandpa teaching the boys &#8211; because we knew how seriously he would take their safety, and we knew that he&#8217;d train them right.</p>
<p>So, here&#8217;s the &#8220;more&#8221; complicated part &#8211; is my son&#8217;s autism a reason that I shouldn&#8217;t have my gun in my house?  Is my husband and my sons&#8217; lack of training and experience a good reason for me to get my gun out of their home?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s complicated.</p>
<p>But lets keep talking about it, and listening to each other.  I agree with the majority that we&#8217;re never going to make ourselves and our children perfectly safe from gun (or other forms of) violence.  But there has to be things that would make us and them safer&#8230;  Doesn&#8217;t there?</p>
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		<title>By: Pondering_It-All</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 09:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe:  Of course I don&#039;t think my local police are qualified to judge somebody&#039;s mental state to predict their future behavior.  Not one of the instances I listed suggested that.  Instead I gave four perfectly objective events that could trigger temporary gun impoundment.

I also said nothing about locking anyone up based on a prediction of their future behavior.

Look at it this way:  If police talk a suicidal person out of jumping off a roof, they don&#039;t just leave him there on the roof!  In each of the examples I gave, it makes perfect sense (and requires no subjective judgement) to impound the person&#039;s guns until the problem is resolved.

And if your local PD isn&#039;t the agency that executes the order to impound weapons, exactly who should that be?  Or is this yet another attempt at obfuscation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe:  Of course I don&#8217;t think my local police are qualified to judge somebody&#8217;s mental state to predict their future behavior.  Not one of the instances I listed suggested that.  Instead I gave four perfectly objective events that could trigger temporary gun impoundment.</p>
<p>I also said nothing about locking anyone up based on a prediction of their future behavior.</p>
<p>Look at it this way:  If police talk a suicidal person out of jumping off a roof, they don&#8217;t just leave him there on the roof!  In each of the examples I gave, it makes perfect sense (and requires no subjective judgement) to impound the person&#8217;s guns until the problem is resolved.</p>
<p>And if your local PD isn&#8217;t the agency that executes the order to impound weapons, exactly who should that be?  Or is this yet another attempt at obfuscation?</p>
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