To hell with the rabid right wing

Republican Presidential nominee apparent John McCain walked into the cesspool of rowdy, frat-boy, rabid right-wing rudeness – otherwise known as the annual Conservative Political Action Conference – and told the sometimes booing crowd that he’s their boy whether they like it or not.

Now that Mitt Romney’s welcome withdrawal from the GOP Presidential sweepstakes has left McCain the heir apparent to the nomination, McCain is going to do what all Republican Presidential wannabes do – try to make peace with conservatives and seek their support for a victory in November.

The self-righteous right wing is not happy about this turn of events. Acid-tongued Ann Coulter says she’s rather vote for Hillary Clinton than John McCain. Rush Limbaugh claims McCain is the devil himself. Conservatives fret and whine and wonder what the hell happened to their party.

Right-wingers need only look in the mirror to know what happened to their party. If the Republican Party is dead – and many think it should be – then the right wing killed in a blatant act of fratricide.

Conservatives had their shot – and they blew it. Their boy George W. Bush sent Americans to die in a war based on lies, shredded the Constitution and did everything he could to destroy the foundations of this nation by using powers he didn’t have. Bush’s brand of “conservatism” built the largest bureaucracy in history and he will leave office with the largest federal deficit ever.

The right-wing elected a Republican Congress that rubber-stamped Bush’s illegal actions, set new records for pork-barrel spending.

The rabid right wing has done more to destroy America than any Communist in China or Cuba, any Islam-spouting terrorist from the Middle East or any gun-toting white supremacist in Idaho.

Right-wingers are, by nature, racist, homophobic, misogynistic and dangerous. If the federal government really wanted to stop terrorism in this nation, it should take the list of contributors to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, the National Republican Senatorial Committee and the last two campaigns of George W. Bush and sent everyone on that list to the prison camps at Gitmo. Wouldn’t take much space. Based on recent Federal Election Commission reports, there aren’t that many left who still waste their money on right-wing GOP causes.

But McCain, like all Republicans, still went to CPAC to lick the dirty boots of the dregs of political activists. He declares himself a “foot soldier from the Reagan revolution,” a dubious honor at best. McCain may claim conservative credentials but he is – and always has been – a political maverick.

The show and tell in Washington Thursday was, at best, window dressing. McCain will win the nomination without the help of the right wing and if he becomes President it will be in spite of them. If this nation swears in the first woman or African-American President next year it will be in spite of the right wing as well.

Right-wingers, like the outdated and outmoded principles they claim, are has-beens. The ideas and so-called “values” died a long time ago. It is long past time for they and their movement to join the corpses in that grave.

41 Responses to "To hell with the rabid right wing"

  1. griff  February 8, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Where the f*ck do you get off lumping all Republicans in with the likes of the Neocons and Religious Right? F*ck you!

    You think that your darling Radical Lefties are innocent in all this? Did not the Left also cave in to Bush on the war? As a matter of fact, most of the Left want this war as much as the right. Furthermore, there is very little difference between the parties these days. Just enough to keep the medicated masses confused and divided

    As a matter of fact, maybe you should include the entire Democratic Party in that list for Gitmo. They are equally at fault for the mess we’re in. How dare you blame it all on Republicans?

    The real truth is that we have no discernible Government anymore. Both parties have been hijacked, by design, and turned into a single bloodthirsty and corrupt entity that is answerable to noone. Politicals is a joke. Elections are a fraud. And we have noone to blame but ourselves.

    I choose not to blame, but to try to initiate change. Maybe your rants make you feel better, but they are no more than an agent of further division. You should consider changing to something more appropriate…like a tantrum. Grow up!

  2. rrk1  February 8, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Disbeliever

    As some wiseman has said, “Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.” There may be a real lunatic fascist fringe that won’t support McCain in the end, but by September the Rethugs will mostly have their troops marching in the same direction. And the more criticism McCain gets from the right the more acceptable he is to independents, moderates, and certainly the Hillary- haters. McCain can safely write off the ideologues because he’ll more than make up for their loss by pulling from the middle. A McCain vs. Hillary race could easily be a winner for McCain, as idiotic as that sounds. A McCain vs. Obama race makes a whole lot more sense.

  3. Carl Nemo  February 8, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Doug Thompson…

    “If the federal government really wanted to stop terrorism in this nation, it should take the list of contributors to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, the National Republican Senatorial Committee and the last two campaigns of George W. Bush and send everyone on that list to the prison camps at Gitmo”…

    Never more true or timely words have been written in the history of the Republic…Amen !

    Carl Nemo **==

  4. SEAL  February 9, 2008 at 3:29 am

    As one who grew up in a culture of service to my country, “the land of the free and the home of the brave,” and went on to spend my life protecting the rights given to us by our founders, I am totally disgusted with the American people. I’m not mad at Bush and his crime organization. I’m not mad at our congress critters for facillitating them. They have only done what they have been allowed to do by the american people.

    It hasn’t been that they did not know what was going on. It was that they were so focused on their self indulgence that as long as their pallets were satisfied, they didn’t care. As long as they were comfortable and had their toys to play with there was no concern. Things must be OK.

    Only now that their ability to maintain that comfort level is threatened are they asking questions. The answer is it is too late to be asking. They are learning that they have been had. The rights they so depended on in their constitution have been taken from them and their nation has been bankrupted. Their government has evolved into a criminal enterprize and they are the victims.

    They are angry as hell but they don’t know what to do. Therefore, they are scared. However, they are still looking to their government to save them. Obviously, it is going to take the complete collapse of the economy and a full blown depression to move them to action. I expect this will happen in the fall of this year right after the elections. The criminals will take their booty and walk away from a nation too concerned with individual survival to be able to go after them. Daily bread will become the priority. That is the Bushco plan and I expect it will be allowed to work.

    The american people have forgotten that their nation was designed for the power to rest in the people’s hands. This is the result of sheer laziness and focusing on self.

  5. Flapsaddle  February 9, 2008 at 4:07 am

    Sorry to disagree with you, but to say that

    Conservatives had their shot – and they blew it.

    is simply incorrect. I regard myself as being a conservative, and the current scum in charge are most definitely in another part of the galaxy from where I sit.

    The people running this show are not now, have never been and never will be conservatives; they are Neoconservatives – “neocons” – followers of the Straussian philosophical school. They are essentially imperialists with the PNAC as the think-tank to make this new century one of a pax americana. They have the ambition of Bonaparte and the moral compass of Talleyrand. They are elitists who regard as unquestionable their right to lie as often and as much as is necessary to reach their goals, and as absolute their right to manipulate the public and send our sons and daughters off to war to secure virtual if not actual colonies.

    I believe them to be totally amoral in the religious and political sense, and they have in the past and will continue in the future to coopt the Evangelical movement and the name of conservatism to advance their version of “an idea with a sword.”

    So, please, call them anything that you wish – but do not call them conservatives.

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  6. Janice  February 9, 2008 at 8:46 am

    You summed it up pretty well. I hope you are wrong about the collapse of the economy and a depression, but you are probably right on. There are too many forces at work that are out of our control, and I do not see any hope of the people resolving this. Energy costs and shortages, collapse of the dollar, job loss, debt, coming food shortages, inflation, global enviromental change – it’s like a toxic combination that is growing on itself. I would like to think things can sort themselves out, but I doubt it. It will take a real leader and visionary to enable each of us to join together to solve this massive threat that is so big that it’s almost impossible to totally get your mind around it. I hope one of the candidates is up to the challenge – and I know it’s not McCain.

  7. Sandra Price  February 9, 2008 at 1:37 pm

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  8. bryan mcclellan  February 9, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    Now you’re talkin,let your words be an OMEN to those seeking power and a warning that our utter contempt for them has reached it’s boiling point.

  9. keith  February 10, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    The failure of so-called “conservative” voters to fall in line behind Mr. Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity, among others, reflects a deeper problem for the movement’s leadership.

    With their shrill inflexibility, grudge-holding and eagerness to evict those that they alone have labelled as “heretics”, conservatism’s so-called “leaders” sound more like the custodians of a dwindling religious denomination or a politically correct English department at a fading liberal-arts college.

    Thankfully, they and their often rabid (some would say “nut case”) following are now becoming less and less relevant. Their collective temper tantrum over the inevitiability of the Republican nomination of Mr. McCain simply confirmins what many of us have known for some time…these clowns constitute an increasingly intolerant, neo-fascist movement that is now clearly out of touch with mainstream America.

  10. JoyfulC  February 10, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    I agree too. Not all of our problems lie with our government — some of them are cultural. We’ve become bloated and lazy and divorced from reality.

    People know something is wrong, but they aren’t yet ready to admit that they might be part of the problem.

  11. JoyfulC  February 10, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Sure, Flapsaddle, but isn’t it the role of true conservatives to sort them out first and foremost? After all, they’re using you.

    So-called “true” conservatives have some responsibility here because they allowed this to infect their own ranks.

  12. JoyfulC  February 10, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Well, too little, too late. Where were the true conservatives while these people were wreaking havoc on our culture?? Why aren’t the “true conservatives” the first to slap them down?

    I think it’s a case of hindsight being 20/20. If their outrageousness would have been effective, these people would be lauded as heroes — but now that it’s backfired, it’s time to cut them loose.

    Those who call themselves “true conservatives” have a lot to answer for.

  13. Flapsaddle  February 11, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    No, they are not using me but they are trying to steal the label. And they do not infect my ranks because no one who is truly a conservative recognizes their authority to speak in their name.

    I can and do try to point out the stark differences between what I consider to be a principled conservatism and the neoimperialist ambitions of the so-called “conservatives” infesting the GOP. And I choose not to participate in their deceit by not supporting any of them for any reason whatsoever.

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  14. Flapsaddle  February 11, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    The real conservatives have been protesting the metastasizing neoconservatism from its first appearance in the GOP. But true conservatives are relatively rare, and many others seem to be quite happy to accept the replacement.

    Ron Paul is the only real conservative – pace, I am well aware that his philosophy is more to what we call libertarianism – in the race, and that has earned him the hate and the fear of the neocon crowd and of those who shill for the false notion that the GOP, as presently constituted, is actually rerpresentative of conservatism.

    I want the American body politic to reject absolutely the neoimperialism represented by Wolfowitz et al. and the PNAC crowd, and if that destroys the GOP as it is then so be it; good riddance to bad rubbish!

    As a conservative, I will answer for my own faults, but I do not accept group-guilt assignments of responsibility any more than I am willing to assign to all liberals and socialists any unearned guilt for aiding and abetting the advancement of left-leaning collectivism.

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  15. Sandra Price  February 11, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Joyful C. Many of us have seen through the neoconservatives working their magic using the Evangelicals to spread the word. I saw this before Bush was elected and tried to point out that he was a dry drunk phony. But the hatred for the Clintons was blown up like an atom bomb and sucked in all the GOP to their holy ways, become pro-life, give up prostitution, put the gay kids back in the closet and go back to church. They flooded in behind Bush…

    Rove put the agenda together making that Conservative Christians only need apply. You were not here at that time and missed the fights that several of us fought here at CHB. A handfull of us under Bob Baecht even tried to give classes in the Bill of Rights and we were shouted down by people like Dr. Doom and others who finally found their holy voice on line. The voice of Jesus Christ translated by militant monsters. Bob’s wife died and he wandered off and I was banned, as usual. Nobody here spoke for individual rights as they seemed unAmerican.

    We always head to the opposite side of any fight when see no win in the future. Flapsaddle is right and America is now under the influence of left-leaning collectivism. I still tried for free enterprise Capitalism but no longer. Very few understand this as a near perfect economic system. It is rejected because it means we keep what we earn and yet offer help to those unable to earn without any help from any government. Americans want guarantees and only the government can make a promise to help others. Look at Katrina for how successful our government is.

    Our poverty levels are growing daily and yet we give a round of applause whenever Bush makes an appearance. Flapsasddle is new to this freedom movement but his instincts are good.

    I would rather sell freedom and liberty and attract the voters to a new kind of candidate. We waited too long and I was criticized for mentioning a new political movement. I forgot it must be suggested by a man not an old lady who is loosing her buttons. It was easier to call me a liar than to read my words of warning. Flapsaddle will not be any more successful than I was. But, he has my praise…

    We need to wake the American voters up to demand a change in how our government runs. They must be aware of losing our freedoms when some fool claims that only sinners require freedoms. How can we inspire a change in attitude among ourselves before we demand a change in government?

    Yelling out slogans is great but how can we get the people to listen to the words? “Yes We Can” is the mantra for Obama and in reading what those people really want, my answer is “No I Won’t” Replacing Bush with a Democrat might be a bit better but it will not fix the problem. Taking from the rich and handing it to the poor is not the problem. Our lack of individual efficiency and critical thinking is the problem and we are wasting some really good people here who could make the change. We always wait until the last minute and panic.

    I’m willing to stick it out until 2012 but if we keep this division between liberal and conservative going, I’ve decided to take up serious drinking. My mother’s family died laughing in a haze of alcoholism. I want to laugh again.

  16. Flapsaddle  February 11, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    I’d have to disagree with two things said of my post above:

    Flapsaddle is right and America is now under the influence of left-leaning collectivism.

    All I said about the left-leaners was that I was no more into trying to assign group blame to them than I was into accepting group blame as a conservative.

    Flapsasddle is new to this freedom movement but his instincts are good.

    I’m not sure how you believe that you have sufficient knowledge of my history to make such a statement.

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  17. Sandra Price  February 11, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Well Flapsaddle nobody ever heard of you before you showed up here unless you return using other names… Most people who claim to know everything often use phony names so they are never held accountable.

  18. JoyfulC  February 11, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    So why are we just hearing this from you now? Why haven’t we been hearing this from those who consider themselves “true conservatives” for years?

    I think the true conservatives bear a lot of responsibility for not haven’t taken a stronger stance on the neocons much earlier.

  19. JoyfulC  February 11, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Joyful C. Many of us have seen through the neoconservatives working their magic using the Evangelicals to spread the word. I saw this before Bush was elected and tried to point out that he was a dry drunk phony. But the hatred for the Clintons was blown up like an atom bomb and sucked in all the GOP to their holy ways, become pro-life, give up prostitution, put the gay kids back in the closet and go back to church. They flooded in behind Bush…

    Yeah, well, I don’t seem to recall too many registered Republicans arguing against some of the demonization of liberals or the Clinton hatred.

    The sad fact is that some segment of those of who call themselves “conservatives” in the US actively sought out the Christian extremists (the equivalent of the Taliban). Remember when Bush went after the Amish? Like the Amish usually vote??? But if they did vote, they’d be unlikely to vote against anyone they saw as unsympathetic to gays or people who supported freedom of choice. And so the Republican party was scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    Still, the so-called “true conservatives” never appeared on the scene to protest until the neocons made a complete mess of things. Explain that.

    Rove put the agenda together making that Conservative Christians only need apply. You were not here at that time and missed the fights that several of us fought here at CHB. A handfull of us under Bob Baecht even tried to give classes in the Bill of Rights and we were shouted down by people like Dr. Doom and others who finally found their holy voice on line. The voice of Jesus Christ translated by militant monsters. Bob’s wife died and he wandered off and I was banned, as usual. Nobody here spoke for individual rights as they seemed unAmerican.

    I’ve been here under more than just this name. Over the years, I’ve been through a number of different service providers and I’ve had my problems with Doug’s registration. I’ve been here at least going back to the Clinton impeachment. It seems like I’ve had to re-register more frequently on this site than most I participate on. Over the years, I’ve gravitated towards this alias, but that’s not to say that I haven’t been here under other aliases previously, even if doing more reading than commenting.

    I don’t remember things quite the same way you do, however.

    Flapsaddle is right and America is now under the influence of left-leaning collectivism. I still tried for free enterprise Capitalism but no longer. Very few understand this as a near perfect economic system. It is rejected because it means we keep what we earn and yet offer help to those unable to earn without any help from any government. Americans want guarantees and only the government can make a promise to help others. Look at Katrina for how successful our government is.

    Yes, probably we are, sensibly, leaning towards collectivism — but that’s because nature made us communal creatures. I have a cat. She’s a solitary critter. She could get by quite nicely without any other cats. Other than access to food, water and a clean pottybox, she could probably get by without me. But I have three dogs too, and they’re pack animals. Nature designed them to function in communities, families — and when they don’t, they fail. Even if they had adequate food, water and shelter, without companionship and fellowship, they’d wither. We have to look to nature for our guide, and nature designed humans to function as families, communities, tribes. You may not like it, but it’s nature’s way.

    We always head to the opposite side of any fight when see no win in the future.

    But what’s a “win”, Sandra?? Is a win when the other side loses?

    Think back to your marriage. When one of you won, you both won. When one of you lost, you both lost. It’s the same with human tribes: when some of us lose, we all lose. We can only win when we all win.

    Katrina wasn’t successful because our government has long ago been bought out by the greedy. There are those who believe that they can suck up New Orleans in the wake of the disaster and turn it into the next Vegas — and who knows? Maybe they’ll be successful. Or maybe they’ll have some limited success, but never being able to recreate the true spirit that made New Orleans what it was, they’ll only be able to suck a few years’ profit out of it.

    What we do know for sure is that the people who truly made New Orleans what it was have been cast wide. The true soul of New Orleans will probably never return — but its memory will be capitalized upon by the venturists for a while before that become common knowledge. Just as the culture that was New Orleans migrated from somewhere else, it’s now migrated elsewhere. Only the vultures are left.

    We need to wake the American voters up to demand a change in how our government runs.

    I agree with that. Like Ron Paul, I advocate a return to the original founding fathers’ constitution — but unlike Ron Paul, I know what that is. The original founding fathers saw a pressing need for government to keep corporate business under collar and leash — not the other way around. Under the original constitution, corporations were subject to the restrictions of state legislatures, to ensure that they didn’t overwhelm the interests of the American people.

    I’d trust Paul a lot more if he advocated a return to that original status — or at least an intelligent review of it.

    But frighteningly, most people who advocate for “free market” principles seem to ascribe this to “the American way.” Nothing could be further from the truth. The original founding fathers were prescient in their appreciation for the damage that corporate interests could do to a nation. They never intended for us to have “free market” capitalism, unbridled by government. Rather they intended for states to curtail and control corporate interests.

    I can see where this would have had to change, to accommodate new technologies — but the way it went down is all wrong. We need to bring this into balance — bring the “free market” back under the control of democratic society — to put things right.

    I’m willing to stick it out until 2012 but if we keep this division between liberal and conservative going, I’ve decided to take up serious drinking. My mother’s family died laughing in a haze of alcoholism. I want to laugh again.

    Take it from an old moonshiner, drinking doesn’t necessarily buffer you from reality. You won’t die laughing if you’re not already ignorant.

  20. Flapsaddle  February 11, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    I had thought that the subject of this thread was on the nature of different types of “conservatives”. I had understood from something Doug Thompson posted elsewhere that personality questions and such were not acceptable topics.

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  21. JoyfulC  February 11, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    It’s okay, I don’t mind her presumptuousness regarding my involvement here. I’ve been here long enough to know the truth of the matter. And that’s why I believe that this so-called “difference” between the conservatives is a difference of contemporary convenience.

  22. jay_spaan_sr  February 12, 2008 at 5:05 am

    Has anyone considered this is just a sham? Right vs. Left? Us vs. Them?

    Republicans say less government and spending but they do exactly opposite. Democrates say more liberal issues but are actually trying to stop the runaway spending and are really more conservative.

    Against gay marriage. Isn’t that more government in personal lives, and isn’t marriage just a ‘legal’ way to have sex? But the government won’t let you have a “legal child”, business won’t let you get a mortgage together.

    I have not talked to one Elephant that said they think it is wrong two people should not be able to buy a house together,if they have a civil agreement, like a LLC. Everyone will agree it’s not the government choice whether a religion will marry gays or not. Even if it’s not “legal”. Who gives a crap. Anyone remember seperation of church and state? It’s a couples choice whether they want a marriage in a church anyway.

    Haven’t had one Donkey tell me they think I should not have the right to own a gun to protect myself. I think everyone with brains are against Uzis (or cop killing ammo), pork-money, welfare abuse; or hungry homeless people, and the rest of every small pointless differences. So who are pitting us against each other and making it a requirement to chose sides in a very gray area.

    People, we need to wake up and understand up is down and visa-a-versa and there are people, the “Mr. Bigs” who are driving this all.

    If we quit pointing our fingers at each other and yelling nonsence… who will we be pointing our fingers at?

    They don’t want you to do that… Or think it.

  23. Sandra Price  February 12, 2008 at 6:08 am

    Joyful, I apparently did not make myself clear about my working against Bush! If you cannot remember my fights with the RR gang, then I wasn’t clear.

    Flapsaddle, I took none of Joyful’s words personally as I have always been up front and honest with my opinions. I have learned that neither conservatives nor liberals want hear the truth about their heroes and my words fell on blind ears all those years at CHB.

    Jay, several of us here have tried to scale down the federal government to the bare bones because we have read the words of the founders. Our main argument is not the Constitution but that God wrote it. That has made our “creator” too ambiguous with a whole new vocabulary brought in that has caused enormous fights.

    The one world order of the neoconservatives was unsuccessful in their building of the Empire so they brought in the religious right. Go back to the John Birch Society for the roots of this obsession. It was the most successful diversion ever planned.

    We finally reached the end of our individual freedoms and we will have the final crusade and the end of our Constitution.

    Plan well executed and successful! The Bush family won! and all they had to do was sacrifice their son.

  24. km0591  February 12, 2008 at 9:53 am

    McCain is not a “maverick,” Doug. That is just a political myth. McCain will make a lot of noise about issues, but he has time and again backed down to lick the boots not just of CPAC, but of the Bush-Cheney junta. I don’t believe this is because the man is unprincipled. I just think he is dumber than day old burnt toast so he is easy to manipulate by people he accepts as authority or as experts. This is the same guy who is now just learning about economics by reading Greenspan’s book. Give me a break.

    As far as the right wing goes, they are history, but then, so are the rest of us. We are so screwed. Wars and military expenditures are speeding us headlong into national bankruptcy. The right wing has been driving the national vehicle straight for a cliff for many years, the Bush-Cheney administration has broken the brakes and floored the accelerator. It won’t matter who gets elected now. Hang on…

  25. Sandra Price  February 8, 2008 at 10:08 am

    Well done Chief! However Rush Limbaugh has stated that if McCain would run Huckabee on his ticket, Rush would vote for him. So now we have Rush Limbaugh chosing our candiates.

  26. mary cali  February 8, 2008 at 10:21 am

    What a nasty, arrogant bunch. They act like they have a mandate to run the country. They are so uncompromising that they hate McCain because he dared to work with Dems. They seem to have a thing about war heros, whom they are quick to denigrate when they deviate from CPAC ideology. Their policies are not endorsed by the majority of Americans. Just shows how a vocal, committed minority can exert their will on the apathetic majority. If I needed another reason to vote Dem and I don’t, CPAC would be it. The Democratic party, with all its many imperfections, is the only firewall to keep these people from taking over the country again.

  27. Walter F. Wouk  February 8, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Bush, Cheney, Coulter, Limbaugh, et al, are not conservatives. They are right-wing reactionaries. There is nothing “conservative” about them.

  28. pollchecker  February 8, 2008 at 11:01 am

    “Bush, Cheney, Coulter, Limbaugh, et al, are not conservatives. They are right-wing reactionaries.”

    AMEN TO THAT! Add to it….hatemongers!

    Don’t forget Karl in group either!

  29. mikee59  February 8, 2008 at 10:45 am

    The Republicans have been a party with a split personality almost from their inception. Lincoln was put forward by, among others, radical abolitionists who thought they could use him as a tool. The found out differently and as long as he was alinve, Lincoln could keep the radicals in check. Once dead, the radical Republicans ran amok.

    Progressives called the GOP their home in the Gilded Age and Teddy Roosevelt spearheaded the Progressive agenda from the bully pulpit. He handed the presidency over to Taft, who, working with the right-wing of the party, systematically worked to undo the Progressive agenda. Roosevelt, dismayed at what he saw, was effectively ejected from the GOP during the 1912 Republican convention when he tried to re-run as their presidential candidate. He ran as a Progressive (the Bull Moose Party), and with Eugene Debs running as the Socialist candidate, helped create a four way race. Woodrow Wilson won.

    The right-wing re-emerged with a vengence in 1964 with the candidacy of Barry Goldwater. In his acceptance speech he said,

    I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

    Let those words stick in your head, because although he lost to LBJ, Goldwater’s disciple, Ronald Reagan, prevailed in 1980, bringing the now reactionary Republicans into dominance. I also think it’s worth mentioning that with Reagan the xenophobes, bigots, and segregationists who once haunted the right-wing of the Democratic Party, fled, en masse, to the Republicans.

    The cycle seems to be playing out, where the right wing feeds upon itself and, ultimate, recedes, leaving a legacy of bitterness and destruction. That said, in years hence they will re-emerge, like ravenous zombies, and re-invigorate the hate, xenophobia, bigotry, and extremism that is woven into our national fabric.

  30. pollchecker  February 8, 2008 at 11:03 am

    “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

    This is a great quote and one everyone here should take to heart!

  31. JerZGirl  February 9, 2008 at 12:51 am

    I would say that this quote is more ominous than great and should be seen as a warning sign for all. In no way should extremism be viewed as a good thing. It is this “non-vice” that put us where we are today – deeply in debt and teetering on depression. I can only hope you didn’t fully understand the quote.

    ————————————————–
    Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit.

    Wisdom is knowing not to put it in fruit salad.

  32. old_curmudgeon  February 8, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    As I sat there yesterday watching the coverage of Ingram insulting McCain when she was supposed to be introducing Romney, I thought… wouldn’t be appropriately fitting to have McCain walk out on stage for his turn at the mike, stand at the podium, and when the booing and cheering (not much there I guess) ended, display the significant digit in a raised salute and tell them all, “@%$#-off!!! I don’t like you, I don’t respect you, and most of all, I don’t need you!! You are irrelevant!!” and then calmly walk off the stage.

    But I was neither drunk nor high and I surely didn’t win the lottery last Wednesday. But it would have been nice.

  33. Steve Horn  February 8, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    “”The stakes in November are high. This is an important election. Prosperity and peace are in the balance,” Bush told about 2,000 people attending the Conservative Political Action Conference. ”

    I predict the evangelical right will be brought in through a McCain / Huckabee ticket – although in light of “prosperity and peace” being in the balance, perhaps some will see the irony (in that coming from GW’s lips) and make a logical, rather than emotional decision and vote for the party that didn’t torpedo the economy, enlarge the government, increase our national debt and entangle us in multiple wars …. maybe Peace – Steve

  34. old_curmudgeon  February 8, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    “evangelical right will be brought in through a McCain / Huckabee ticket…”

    You know, I don’t think so. I kind of expect McCain to pick Lindsey Graham or, god forbid, Lieberman. Graham is more likely. They’re good friends and Graham is the southern baptist McCain would need, without the smarminess of Huckabee. Graham also doesn’t carry much obvious negative baggage – other than his otherworldly view about the Iraqi invasion/occupation. I expect Huckabee to return to Arkansas and obscurity once reality slaps him down for good.

    But, that’s just this old curmudgeon’s opinion.

  35. LurkingFromTheLeft  February 8, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Again, the lesser of a slew of evils

    …and the thoughts of them all make my flesh crawl –

    …wouldn’t Graham be too much of a Bushie LoyalLemming –

    …and LIEberman and his spineless whiny dog voice REALLY scare me –

    …almost makes Huckleberry Hound seem like the best choice –

    …maybe what the D’s and I’s need to save the country before “THEY” save the country in their ‘SPECIAL’ way –

    LFTL

  36. pollchecker  February 8, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    “I kind of expect McCain to pick Lindsey Graham…..
    They’re good friends and Graham is the southern baptist McCain would need, without the smarminess of Huckabee.”

    You are so correct in this assessment I’m amazed I hadn’t thought of it. (gggg)

    Birds of a feather flock together and yes, I think Graham would carry the same voters as Huckabee. The only negative I could see is that Graham is also in the Senate.

  37. JoyfulC  February 10, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Huckabee? Smarmy? Did I miss something, or is this an honourary title conferred on anyone who runs for their party’s nomination?

    Huckabee is scary as hell as a Christian extremist, but he seems to be an otherwise decent fellow.

  38. Michael Koy  February 8, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Well said, Doug! You have accurately described why I, more than 20 years ago, switched from being a Republican to an independent.

    The ruination of the Republican party came about when Reagan brought in the Christianist evangelicals and their fanatic social agenda–and now we’re seeing the rotten fruits of that ruination, when someone like McCain is being attacked by right-wing propagandists as not “conservative” enough.

    Although I still would not vote for any Republican even if you paid me, I hope that McCain gets the nomination, just to show the rabid right that they are increasingly becoming irrelevant.

    Americans are neither liberal nor conservative; they are somewhere in between. And the sooner that people like Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, and Coulter get this through their thick heads, the better off our political discourse will be.

  39. pollchecker  February 8, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    “Americans are neither liberal nor conservative; they are somewhere in between. And the sooner that people like Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, and Coulter get this through their thick heads, the better off our political discourse will be.”

    The point of politics is to be polarizing and divide people into sides.

    These people are paid to be polarizing and paid well.

    If people would just stop giving them creditability, they would eventually go away.

    But unfortunately that won’t happen and the rich media corporate fat cats will keep paying these people to sell their agenda to the public.

  40. liberty  February 8, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Some of the above posters sound pretty radical, nasty, etc. themselves.

    McCain will not pick Graham because he does have baggage.

    Whomever he picks makes no difference because the Republicans don’t have a chance in November. Why? The war, the war, the war.

  41. JoyfulC  February 10, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Hear, hear!

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