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		<title>By: Almandine</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/43140/comment-page-1#comment-188297</link>
		<dc:creator>Almandine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 02:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eye of Newt - double bubble...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eye of Newt &#8211; double bubble&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
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		<dc:creator>woody188</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 20:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are right, I only included the &quot;final four&quot; Republicans and not drop outs. And in Obama&#039;s defense, supposedly 47% comes from small donors, which only Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum all come near that same number, But Mitt only has some 10% from small donors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, I only included the &#8220;final four&#8221; Republicans and not drop outs. And in Obama&#8217;s defense, supposedly 47% comes from small donors, which only Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum all come near that same number, But Mitt only has some 10% from small donors.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My search for a breakdown of contributions between Democratic and Republican parties only came up with the following which seems to indicate both parties are about even: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/index.php?ql3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Open Secrets 2012 Presidential Candidate Fundraising Summary&lt;/a&gt;.

As far as I can tell Open Secrets is a non-partisan organization. If anybody can find any other contribution data for this election this please post it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My search for a breakdown of contributions between Democratic and Republican parties only came up with the following which seems to indicate both parties are about even: <a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/index.php?ql3" rel="nofollow">Open Secrets 2012 Presidential Candidate Fundraising Summary</a>.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell Open Secrets is a non-partisan organization. If anybody can find any other contribution data for this election this please post it.</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
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		<dc:creator>woody188</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 15:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, money as free speech is ridiculous. That decision created a huge imbalance and threatens the core of our system of government. It gives the wealthy a disproportionately louder voice than those less wealthy, more so than even before. It can be argued the poor have no voice now.

But we also need to point out that Obama has been the recipient of the lion&#039;s share of PAC/corporate money, far more than the Republican candidates combined. I think that says exactly who Corporate America is supporting.

Obama/Democrats only jumped on the &quot;tax the rich, tax the corporations&quot; issue to promote the differences in the Parties, knowing full well how it would be received. You fell for it. Follow the money, not the rhetoric.

It might be a pipe dream to hold elected politicians strictly to their campaign promises, but shouldn&#039;t we at least expect them to not do the opposite of what they say, the opposite of what their Party supposedly supports, and the opposite of what the average American claims to want?

Compromise, sure, but the opposite?

And why is it impossible to restore our rights as outlined in the Constitution? Because the bureaucrats and some law enforcement claim it would hinder their ability to catch terrorists? What a load of BS. We didn&#039;t need these spying on our own people abilities for hundreds of years and we survived. We don&#039;t need them now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, money as free speech is ridiculous. That decision created a huge imbalance and threatens the core of our system of government. It gives the wealthy a disproportionately louder voice than those less wealthy, more so than even before. It can be argued the poor have no voice now.</p>
<p>But we also need to point out that Obama has been the recipient of the lion&#8217;s share of PAC/corporate money, far more than the Republican candidates combined. I think that says exactly who Corporate America is supporting.</p>
<p>Obama/Democrats only jumped on the &#8220;tax the rich, tax the corporations&#8221; issue to promote the differences in the Parties, knowing full well how it would be received. You fell for it. Follow the money, not the rhetoric.</p>
<p>It might be a pipe dream to hold elected politicians strictly to their campaign promises, but shouldn&#8217;t we at least expect them to not do the opposite of what they say, the opposite of what their Party supposedly supports, and the opposite of what the average American claims to want?</p>
<p>Compromise, sure, but the opposite?</p>
<p>And why is it impossible to restore our rights as outlined in the Constitution? Because the bureaucrats and some law enforcement claim it would hinder their ability to catch terrorists? What a load of BS. We didn&#8217;t need these spying on our own people abilities for hundreds of years and we survived. We don&#8217;t need them now.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How have we gotten this far without writing about the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission?  To quote Wikipedia that &quot;was a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court, which held that the First Amendment prohibited the government from restricting political expenditures by corporations and unions.&quot;

The money pouring into Republican PACs from corporations and from a few billionaires makes it impossible to be non-partisan on this subject. Whether you believe Obama was sincere in his stance against PAC money being used in his campaign, it would have been nice to put this to the test. Unfortunately he had to back off and endorse Democratic PACs.

 Jon writes that that the best funded campaigns are always for maintaining the status quo. Ironically, despite screams of anguish from the corporatocracy, the Obama status quo &lt;em&gt;up until now&lt;/em&gt; has benefitted them greatly.  What they seem to be afraid of is the change the Democrats have been trying to make in said status quo.

 In this election the Democrats have to try to play catch-up with the Republicans who want to derail Democratic initiatives to make  corporations and the super-wealthy pay what they claim is their fair share of taxes.

In my opinion it is a pipe dream to hold elected politicians strictly to their campaign promises. I would like to see a candidate stand a chance of getting elected is he or she added a real politics proviso to promises saying &quot;I will do my best to make good on these promises.&quot;

Instead we have an electorate that wants Democracy to work but somehow believes we can have a president with the power of a dictator.

If there is one thing that stand a chance, however remote, of being achieved to make our elections fairer it is to ban PACs, have public funding of campaigns, and a strictly enforced limited on how much an individual can contribute so true grassroots efforts can make a difference.

Of course we could always make lies and distortions a capital offense in campaign debates, speeches and advertising, but then I am getting all Jonathan Swift again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How have we gotten this far without writing about the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission?  To quote Wikipedia that &#8220;was a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court, which held that the First Amendment prohibited the government from restricting political expenditures by corporations and unions.&#8221;</p>
<p>The money pouring into Republican PACs from corporations and from a few billionaires makes it impossible to be non-partisan on this subject. Whether you believe Obama was sincere in his stance against PAC money being used in his campaign, it would have been nice to put this to the test. Unfortunately he had to back off and endorse Democratic PACs.</p>
<p> Jon writes that that the best funded campaigns are always for maintaining the status quo. Ironically, despite screams of anguish from the corporatocracy, the Obama status quo <em>up until now</em> has benefitted them greatly.  What they seem to be afraid of is the change the Democrats have been trying to make in said status quo.</p>
<p> In this election the Democrats have to try to play catch-up with the Republicans who want to derail Democratic initiatives to make  corporations and the super-wealthy pay what they claim is their fair share of taxes.</p>
<p>In my opinion it is a pipe dream to hold elected politicians strictly to their campaign promises. I would like to see a candidate stand a chance of getting elected is he or she added a real politics proviso to promises saying &#8220;I will do my best to make good on these promises.&#8221;</p>
<p>Instead we have an electorate that wants Democracy to work but somehow believes we can have a president with the power of a dictator.</p>
<p>If there is one thing that stand a chance, however remote, of being achieved to make our elections fairer it is to ban PACs, have public funding of campaigns, and a strictly enforced limited on how much an individual can contribute so true grassroots efforts can make a difference.</p>
<p>Of course we could always make lies and distortions a capital offense in campaign debates, speeches and advertising, but then I am getting all Jonathan Swift again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 10:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m with woody188 on some of this.  The system itself is defective, and so there is no candidate to vote for.

With &#039;first past the post&#039; and &#039;winner take all&#039; results, there can be no 3rd parties.  It has been mathematically proven that under those conditions all rational voters and voting must devolve into a two-party system.

(Not that all voters are rational, but hey...  ;-P

With &#039;winner take all&#039; there is no minority representation.  None whatsoever.  Voting for the &quot;Green&quot; party in South Carolina is, for all intents and purposes, pissing into the wind, and so why bother?  Might as well stay home.

And sometimes there isn&#039;t even majority representation.  See Gore winning the popular vote, and Bush winning the Electoral College vote, and ask how many Gore supporters had their voices heard during the Bush administration.

The system itself is defective.  Until there is proportional representation, voting for change is completely pointless.  

Finally, the status quo is by far the best-funded of all campaigns.  After all, it is those who have profited the most under the current regime who have the most financial power to enforce that what is will continue to be.

So no, there will be no peaceful change.  But those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent change inevitable* - Sooner or later.

Jon

* Paraphrased from a quotation attributed to John F. Kennedy.  The Arab Spring is a case in point.  J.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m with woody188 on some of this.  The system itself is defective, and so there is no candidate to vote for.</p>
<p>With &#8216;first past the post&#8217; and &#8216;winner take all&#8217; results, there can be no 3rd parties.  It has been mathematically proven that under those conditions all rational voters and voting must devolve into a two-party system.</p>
<p>(Not that all voters are rational, but hey&#8230;  ;-P</p>
<p>With &#8216;winner take all&#8217; there is no minority representation.  None whatsoever.  Voting for the &#8220;Green&#8221; party in South Carolina is, for all intents and purposes, pissing into the wind, and so why bother?  Might as well stay home.</p>
<p>And sometimes there isn&#8217;t even majority representation.  See Gore winning the popular vote, and Bush winning the Electoral College vote, and ask how many Gore supporters had their voices heard during the Bush administration.</p>
<p>The system itself is defective.  Until there is proportional representation, voting for change is completely pointless.  </p>
<p>Finally, the status quo is by far the best-funded of all campaigns.  After all, it is those who have profited the most under the current regime who have the most financial power to enforce that what is will continue to be.</p>
<p>So no, there will be no peaceful change.  But those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent change inevitable* &#8211; Sooner or later.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
<p>* Paraphrased from a quotation attributed to John F. Kennedy.  The Arab Spring is a case in point.  J.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/43140/comment-page-1#comment-188053</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 09:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The U.S. system costs twice as much *per capita*.

And yes, for huge piles of money, the very best care is still found, for now, in the USA, because when those doctors were going through school the USA had a well-funded educational system.

This is a) not an option for the general public, and b) not a situation likely to last.

J.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S. system costs twice as much *per capita*.</p>
<p>And yes, for huge piles of money, the very best care is still found, for now, in the USA, because when those doctors were going through school the USA had a well-funded educational system.</p>
<p>This is a) not an option for the general public, and b) not a situation likely to last.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
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		<dc:creator>woody188</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know why we hold elections if candidates aren&#039;t held to their public promises or even their whole platform on which they were elected. Bush Junior was against nation building, and landed us in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama was going to restore the Constitution and quit the wars, then he expanded them and took more rights away.

What&#039;s the point of elections?

Oh right, to placate the masses...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why we hold elections if candidates aren&#8217;t held to their public promises or even their whole platform on which they were elected. Bush Junior was against nation building, and landed us in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama was going to restore the Constitution and quit the wars, then he expanded them and took more rights away.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the point of elections?</p>
<p>Oh right, to placate the masses&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
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		<dc:creator>woody188</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait, which one is Moonraker? :grin:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, which one is Moonraker? <img src='http://www.capitolhillblue.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
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		<dc:creator>woody188</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you consider Canada&#039;s population is 33.5 million and the US system only costs twice as much, then the Canadian system is the worst of the two per capita. Think about having to wait 6+ months for a procedure. Also, many Canadians come to the US to see specialists. But on the flipside, there is no such thing as medical bankruptcy in Canada, unless you figure the government share of medical debt into the equation...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you consider Canada&#8217;s population is 33.5 million and the US system only costs twice as much, then the Canadian system is the worst of the two per capita. Think about having to wait 6+ months for a procedure. Also, many Canadians come to the US to see specialists. But on the flipside, there is no such thing as medical bankruptcy in Canada, unless you figure the government share of medical debt into the equation&#8230;</p>
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