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Ron Paul surges in Iowa: Is it now his time?

By DOUG THOMPSON
A Capitol Hill Blue News Analysis
December 14, 2011

Ron Paul

Texas Congressman Ron Paul is on the move in Iowa, passing former GOP frontrunner Mitt Romney for second in polls and even moving into a statistical tie with current leader Newt Gingrich in one.

“Paul is surging right now, there’s no doubt about that,” one GOP strategist tells Capitol Hill Blue. “He could be the dark horse that shocks both Romney and Gingrich.

New polls show support for Gingrich slipping slightly in Iowa with three weeks to go before the state caucuses that official open the Presidential primary season.

And while the former Speaker of the House leads in surveys, poll numbers don’t always translate into a win in the Iowa’s convoluted caucus system.

GOP political operatives agree that Paul has the best on-the-ground operation in Iowa and the ground game rules in the caucuses.

In addition, Paul — more than any other candidate in the crowded GOP field — is willing to go after Gingrich for his personal and political failures.

“I have to expose him for what he’s been doing over the years,” Paul is quoted as saying.

As a long-time member of the House, Paul was on Capitol Hill during Gingrich’s rise and fall from political power.  The Libertarian and family values Paul is clearly disgusted with Gingrich’s multiple affairs, three marriages and close ties to the Washington establishment.

Over in the Romney camp, strategists there secretly hope for a Paul win.  Losing in Iowa cold cripple Gingrich and open the door for Romney in New Hampshire and Iowa.

But what about Paul?  Some still doubt his long-term viability as a candidate.

Writes Chris Cillizza in The Fix for The Washington Post:

A Paul victory in Iowa would be a dream come true for Romney. Why? Because Paul, like former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee in 2008, has far less obvious appeal in the states beyond Iowa and would likely struggle to build his caucus victory into a broader national campaign.

Paul’s enthusiastic supporters disagree.  They see a win in Iowa as the surge Paul needs to build momentum towards the nomination.

Impossible?  Not in an election year where the unlikely is the new normal.  This is the time when anything can — and probably will — happen.

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34 Responses to Ron Paul surges in Iowa: Is it now his time?

  1. Pamela LaBrake

    December 14, 2011 at 8:31 am

    It has been Dr. Ron Pauls time for a long time. The only candidate willing to make the necessary cuts in the budget to begin to restore America. He will bring our troops home. He is moral and HONEST. He tells it like it is, not just what people want to hear. It’s refreshing to have a candidate like Ron Paul, and we need him to be our president in 2012 !

  2. Bill Cravener

    December 14, 2011 at 8:31 am

    “Is it now his time?”
    As much as Paul lovers wish it could be it will never happen. From his, in my opinion, incredibly dangerous views on foreign and defense policies, his cockamamie ideas about returning to the gold standard, his conspiratorial mindset, his whininess and arrogant “I know best” attitude is more then I can bear. This is a guy who plays political footsie with racist skinheads, anti-semites, and other pathetic low lifes. His head in the sand isolationist mentality is naive at best as far I’m concerned. Ron Paul followers need to face reality, old man Ron Paul will never be president.

  3. Driftforge

    December 14, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Ah yes. The one who doesn’t want to incite wars overseas in the ‘dangerous one’. The one who doesn’t want the Federal Reserve skimming the economy and inflating bubbles in the economy by eliminating the interest rate price signal has ‘cockamamie ideas’.

    I find generally it is people who call workable ideas crazy simply because they are different that are naive…

  4. Nathaniel H.

    December 14, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Dear Bill Cravener, when you are old, I’ll be sure to use it against you when you attempt anything in life. I’m sure your old age can be defined in what? Five years? Get over Ron’s age. Obama’s health-care laws will kill both you and Ron if it comes time for a hospital to help either of you in the future, if you don’t change that sour 80-year-old “I’ve never accomplished a thing in life but I am old so I’ll throw it around with anger” attitude.

    But let’s not go on the personal here. Let’s get back to the real story, which is Mr. Paul.

    Your claims are pitiful!;
    1. Dangerous Foreign Policies: Not Fighting. WHAOHWOAHWHOAHWWOH sounds DANGEROUS to me.
    2. Returning to the gold standard: a complex ideal that reasonably solves all debt issues and topples inflation. Two birds with one stone here.
    3. Conspiratorial mindset and arrogant “I know best” attitude: hypocrite. Ron Paul gets up on stage and says “I think, I believe, we need, we must, we can’t do, we need to face reality”. You’re bombing him as much as he bombs big government. You’re LAUGHABLE.

    Political footsie with racist skinheads and blahblahblah other pathetic low-lifes. Sorry to inform you but I believe human beings are human beings. Low-life or not, they have a voice and if they find it in a candidate who can heal our country then, albeit I am very surprised, I am not going to insult them and I definitely refuse to insult the candidate. This is an illogical fallacy and pungent of you to commit to. I am disappointed in you, sir Sour Puss.

    Lastly,

    Ron Paul is my ideal president and I support him in all of his efforts.

    Good day to you, Cravener.

  5. Sandune

    December 14, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Of course the time is right for the kind of change Ron Paul has been promising for many years. He’s been my choice since the GOP became the tool for the religious right.

    The problem is that the workers for Paul were not organized forcefully enough. I’ve had many comments on my bumper stickers for Libertarianism. But most people don’t even know who he is.

    There are 2 or 3 Paul supporters here on Reader Rant and we are all under fire with others. I learned many years ago not to rely on the federal government for anything I could do myself. The L.A. Unified School District did not offer a strong academic agenda so I located a new school that was just starting with the support of the parents who had organized. My kids went through to the 6th grade and off to a college prep and got a much better basic interest in education.

    I’ve worked with my various Federal House Reps on many issues and found them available but the Senate has been too remote. So I like the attitude presented by Ron Paul but found truing to organize for him has been impossible.

    As far as his age goes, I’m older but still have my buttons and know right from wrong and I know that Dr. Paul knows right from wrong as well.

    The calibre of the man is far and above the best that is running for office within the GOP.

  6. Bill Cravener

    December 14, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Ron Paul told a crowd in New Hampshire Tuesday night that there is “no provision in the Constitution for Medicare and Medicaid”, the federal programs that cover millions of seniors and children. Paul said that individual states should be left to provide health care for seniors and kids. True there’s no mention of Medicare and Medicaid in the Constitution but it does state “promote the general Welfare” of we the people. Would you Ron Paul lovers prefer to have your state handle your health care needs? In the State I live I certainly would not. That old man is a radical nut.

    • Driftforge

      December 14, 2011 at 8:11 pm

      State based health care works just fine elsewhere in the world. Also if a state provides care not to your standard, you can move state. If the Federal government screws it up, you have to move country to get better.

      Different and crazy are not the same.

  7. Gregg

    December 14, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    I love reading comments from Ron Paul supporters. Dr. Paul makes it sound so simple on how he would dissect and disassemble government in order to save America.
    .
    BTW, I’m not only a native Texan. I also live just a hop, skip, and a jump north of Paul’s district.
    .
    IMO, Ron Paul’s politics are driven by his ideology to disempower, redefine and restructure the federal government with little regard for the practical consequence to society.
    .
    All citizens, not just active voters, MUST collectively acknowledge that serious systemic problems in our political and government arenas have allowed radical right and left politics to emerge and control our lives.
    .
    I use the word “emerge” above, but that’s not really what happened. Long, long ago special interests bought our system of politics government from We the People. So I’m sure that there’s a more poetic word to describe the dynamics that has occurred, which has engendered the political/corporate controls within our systems of politics and government. It other words – it didn’t all happen by accident.
    .
    If the citizens and voters, as a whole, can’t identify crucial problems that keep our system of politics and government power hungry and corrupt…then in my opinion, there’s little hope of positive changes to reflect the benefits that could be associated with a Republic form of government.

  8. Sandune

    December 14, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    It is your choice not to vote for him. Paul is not associated with the Republican form of government. You guys have a whole line up of candidates that in my opinion are as corrupt as any candidate that ever ran for office on any ticket.

    The problems in America come from the lack of intelligence of the voters themselves. If you don’t like Paul’s ideas, vote for someone else. In 92 I thought the brightest bulb was Perot but few others were as convinced.

    Don’t blast out at me; I’ve done the research and I’ve chosen Paul as my candidate.

  9. Carl Nemo **==

    December 14, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    I’m personally tired of razzamatazz, slick-talking characters, the likes of Romney, Gingrich, Perry, Cain (finished) et al. that seek the presidency.

    Regardless of what people think of Ron Paul, I firmly believe he would provide no nonsense representation for the people’s needs and competent leadership in these dire times for the Republic.
    There’s many things that he will be able to accomplish as Commander in Chief of the armed forces, but as far as many agencies and social programs being junked, I doubt he’ll get the support of his party much less the opposition in Congress.

    His main mission would be to pull the plug on our foreign military adventurism which is bleeding this nation white. The MIC has sunk its fangs in the nation’s jugular and is soon to finish us off if we don’t euthanize it with ‘silver bullet'; I.E., severely curtailed funding while changing the mission from being offensive back to defensive in nature.

    The Federal Reserve needs to be seriously audited along with a Congressionally mandated mission change;I.E., decoupling it from Wall Street’s interests while simply providing inflation control. Instead the Fed has become the world’s premier inflationist in order to prop up Wall Street and the center banks. It’s an unholy, financial axis of evil spawned in hell itself, that so too like the MIC is putting this nation in harms way.

    The rest of the candidate field all want to continue, business as usual, or most likely provide enhancement as instituted under eight years of the Bushista reign of error/terrors with continuance under Obama.

    I feel Ron Paul’s nomination and election to the Presidency is worth the risk. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain at this point in our nation’s history. More of the same, business as usual policies will assuredly destroy this nation.

    Carl Nemo **==

  10. Gregg

    December 14, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    I feel Ron Paul’s nomination and election to the Presidency is worth the risk. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain at this point in our nation’s history.

    Carl,

    How can you be sure we’d have nothing to lose by voting in Paul as president? Our country is in dire shape, but there’s still a whole bunch we can lose.
    .
    I agree that Paul has very strong convictions – but they “all” aren’t necessarily good ones. There’s consequences for every action. He wants to engage in some pretty significant actions that will indeed have significant consequences. But I don’t think that anybody can adequately predict what they’ll be.
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    Obama earned his portrayal as poster child for “Unimaginable Consequences”. IMO, Paul has the potential to take over that role.

    • Carl Nemo **==

      December 14, 2011 at 11:53 pm

      Hi Gregg,

      I understand your concerns, but when Obama’s campaign trail promises, now proven empty are compared to Ron Paul’s detailed outline of substance via his “Plan to Restore America” there’s no comparison.

      Obama’s gift for oratory is amazing and mesmerizing. It’s powerful and articulate except the words are being issued from what has proven to be an ‘empty suit’.

      Paul is older, creaky-voiced and not glitzy in any way, shape or form, but he speaks seriously of issues that are stalking this nation along with a detailed plan on how to turn the USS America about.
      He’s serious about the business of what has to be done to save this nation.

      We’re in the sweephand mode to the midnight of our destruction as a nation and cannot afford business as usual, statist toadies, such as Romney, Gingrich, Perry, Cain (now withdrawn) et al. that are promising much, but will deliver little to nothing; but mostly more of the same in spades.

      Once elected it’s ‘tuff’ for us. Paul plans on taking a presidential salary of $39,336 while in office, equal to the median personal income of an American worker to set an example for future aspiring grifters to our highest office. When Harry Truman left office, there wasn’t a presidential pension in place. Oh how our highest office has grown into an “Imperial Presidency” in our times. / : |

      Here’s a copy of Ron Paul’s “Plan to Restore America”. I fetched it from a brown envelope I received this past week. I’m providing a link to the web based .pdf

      *****

      http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

      *****

      I know for a fact as “Commander in Chief” of our armed forces he does have the power to shut down our continuing ‘dog and pony’ show concerning the ‘war on terror’ and the ‘war on drugs’, both waged against faceless nouns. There’s no one to parley or to sign a peace accord, so these engineered conflicts are a crimpols dream come true when it comes to bleeding the public white until the 13th of forever. Granted there are terrorists etc., but they are criminals and need to be pursued via national and international policing efforts and not by spending trillions we don’t have with boots on the ground along with tankheads rolling about the countryside in addition to uber expensive drones in the air etc. in these far off zones of engineered conflicts.

      Carl Nemo **==

      Note: I contribute to his campaign.

  11. Almandine

    December 14, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    So for those of you who decry Ron Paul and his policies, are you content with the status quo? Do you have the govt you want? If not, have you heard anything from any other mainstream politician that actually makes you believe s/he could make things better and why?

    Importantly, have you spent any time at all studying the basis of Paul’s ideas and policies for their worth? For example, are you an accomplished (or even a novice) economist who can sort the Austrian wheat from the Keynesian chaff?

    Can you explain why Paul would go out on that “crazy” limb and propose a return to the gold standard? What would be the benefits/harms from that? Can you compare/contrast fiat vs sound money?

    Can you say what is the reason for Paul’s big emphasis on “liberty”… i.e., private property rights?

    In essence, are your negative comments anything more than the regurgitation of something you heard someone else say, or the sound of one hand clapping?

  12. Gregg

    December 15, 2011 at 12:24 am

    Ron Paul began his political career in 1976
    .
    Almandine you ask, “Are you content with the Status Quo? ” Any person who has been in politics since 1976 couldn’t be anymore “status quo”.

    Are people content with the thinking fallacies that have been incorporated into our political positions, values, and behaviors taught to us over the last umpteen decades?

  13. Bill Cravener

    December 15, 2011 at 6:47 am

    Yes, there are matters where I do agree with Ron Paul but let me be clear, Ron Paul will not be President. Wish for it, pray for it, whatever, the powers that be will not permit that old man to become President of the United States. Believe it!

    • Keith

      December 15, 2011 at 6:21 pm

      …but let me be clear, Ron Paul will not be President

      To which, I must now ask: “Why”?

      Ron Paul advocates making the federal government more responsible to the people by reversing a decades-long trend of a ballooning federal bureaucracy that continually insists on poking its nose into places and issues that, under the US Constitution, it has absolutely no business doing.

      The closer civil government is to the people, the more responsible, responsive, and accountable it is likely to be.

      The Constitution, itself, in Articles I through VI, enumerates the specific powers which may be exercised by the federal government. Of particular importance is Article I, Section 8 which delineates the authority of the Congress.

      The federal government was clearly established as a government of limited authority. Indeed, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution specifically provides that: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

      Clearly, over time, the limitations of the federal government’s power imposed by the US Constitution have been substantially eroded.

      Preservation of constitutional government requires a restoration of the balance of authority between the federal government and those of the states as provided in the Constitution itself, and as intended and construed by those who framed and ratified that document.

      Indeed, this is what Ron Paul’s candidacy is all about….restoring that essential balance of power between the states and the federal government.

      The bottom line here is that, not only is what the federal government now doing quite illegal under the US Constitution, it has also become (quite literally) BANKRUPT doing so.

      So, again, I ask, with this issue as the central plank in his platform, why CAN’T Ron Paul become President?

    • griff

      December 15, 2011 at 7:43 pm

      Unfortunately the powers that be will make it difficult, if not impossible.

      I remember you mentioned once that you play with LEDs as a hobby.

      My company just completed a project for the Army Corps of Engineers in Times Square, NY. We replaced their two 32′ x 13′ American flags in fluorescent bulbs with two custom-engineered LED flags.

      They gave us 90 days from conception to completion, and we did it in 89. We produced and installed two identical flags, each utilizing 54 stainless steel troughs with 8 circuit boards a piece, with a total of more than 225,000 individual LEDs.

      The entire project was engineered and produced at our factory in Frankfort, NY.

      I have many pictures of the installation I’ll be uploading soon to photobucket, but you can see it on our website

      • Keith

        December 15, 2011 at 9:16 pm

        Unfortunately the powers that be will make it difficult, if not impossible.

        Hmmmm…….

        The last time I checked, in the United States the only “powers that be” that ultimately elect Presidents are VOTERS.

        Now, I know there are “powers that be” that like to INFLUENCE that vote. But that only works if the voters willfully and repeatedly allow these other “powers that be” to actually do so.

        My hunch is that there is a growing groundswell of disgust for these other “powers that be” to the point that REAL candidates like Ron Paul (and REAL voters who think much like him) are now getting air play where before such folks were arrogantly dismissed out of hand.

        Now, granted, the rise of a real alternative to the “Republicrats” may not happen during this election cycle, or even the next.

        But mark my words, Griff, the groundswell of disgust for the crooks, perverts and self-flaggelating clowns we are regularly being served up by the “powers that be” each election cycle is growing by leaps and bounds…just as it has at other times during our 200+ year history.

        Indeed, at times like these, it’s important to remember that the Democrats only first ascended to power in 1800, and that Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president. And there is a growing list of so-called “third party” candidates who have been successful both then and since.

      • Carl Nemo **==

        December 15, 2011 at 11:18 pm

        Nice flag installation griff. Being LED technology they’ll have a longer emission life than our now fragile Republic has a future. / : |

        Carl Nemo **==

        • griff

          December 16, 2011 at 8:08 am

          Thanks Carl. It was an amazing experience and an amazing accomplishment for a small company in rinky-dink upstate NY. We are very proud of it.

          We were the only company to bid on it. No one else wanted to touch it.

          When folks insist that American ingenuity and workmanship is dead, they can look at that as an example of good old-fashioned American risk-taking and perseverance. At times it looked like it would be impossible.

          As for the Republic… Working on that too…

      • Keith

        December 15, 2011 at 11:28 pm

        Unfortunately the powers that be will make it difficult, if not impossible.

        Well, perhaps we need to now wait and see just what the REAL “powers that be”….the voters…have to say in Iowa and New Hampshire. The last time I ch3ecked, it was the VOTERS who ultimately decide elections, not some amorphous “powers that be”.

        Indeed, I’ve already got my Republican absentee ballot in hand from New Hampshire wherein it lists 30 (count ‘em…30!) candidates for President. Some are people our friends in the so-called “mainstream media” have never even heard of, let alone covered….peoplelike Kevin Rubash of Wilmette, Illinois, Linden Swift of Plainfield, Indiana or Fred Karger of Laguna Beach, California. Needless to say, I can’t wait to cast my ballot for someone OTHER than what the “powers that be” are telling me the way I should vote.

        Perhaps it may not come in this election cycle or the next. But my hunch is that the American people are now growing ever more weary of the sad caliber of candidates the “Republicrats” keep forcing down our throats year after year (after year) as the “only” choices we voters have.

        Indeed, the people I’m talking to have now very much “had it up to here” with all such nonsense and are seriously looking for something (or someone) different.

        After all, wasn’t it Einstein who said that, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?”

      • Bill Cravener

        December 16, 2011 at 5:00 am

        That’s awesome stuff griff. Look forward to any other pics of your work! :)

  14. Gregg

    December 15, 2011 at 10:31 am

    You know folks, there’s a half dozen Republican guys and a gal who are competing for the coveted seat of the president of the U.S.
    .
    If at gun point I have to choose one of these candidates – it would most likely be Ron Paul. Crazy can be packaged and sold in a variety of ways – and Ron Paul’s type of “crazy” holds a tiny bit more appeal than his competitors.
    .
    Like everyone else in our country, I have been indoctrinated to believe that if I support a political party that I must also choose from and unconditionally accept and support the last candidate standing after all of the usual political processes have been exhausted, which leads to the final battle to win any given office.
    .
    Currently my vote today for a Republican candidate would be “NONE OF THE ABOVE”. My vote would be no different for the current Democrat choice.
    .
    For public record, most of my voting life in major elections I voted Republican, but that stooped with George W. Bush. I now consider myself a “Recovering Republican”. I will “never” again give my allegiance to any political party.
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    I have made a commitment to myself that I will no longer be a slave to the thinking fallacies that I’ve always used in the past to select a political candidate. I owe my allegiance to no party. Individual candidates will always live under the strong eye of scruinty and must earn my support.
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    But given the very serious systemic problems in our political parties and government, all candidates are, in my eyes, suspect of being owned. I need to know if I can live with the positions and policies of their owners.

  15. Danny Adams

    December 15, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    If Paul won in Iowa, I’d be curious to see how clumsily the major news organizations would suddenly forget about Iowa.

    As for Paul’s age, I suspect if a 77-year-old Ronald Reagan had been able to run for a 3rd term in 1988, Republicans would’ve still flocked to vote for him.

    • griff

      December 15, 2011 at 7:53 pm

      They will harp on Huckabee winning it in 2008 and dropping out soon after. In fact, that will be all you’ll hear about it.

  16. Almandine

    December 15, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Just as I thought…

    and now for further edification:

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/14/mainstreaming-ron-paul/

    comments aren’t bad either.

    • Carl Nemo **==

      December 15, 2011 at 7:31 pm

      Thanks Almandine for the link. : )

      “Ron Paul is like one of those gestalt pictures. If you look at him long enough, you start to see things that should have been obvious before. [That’s the power of principles.”] …extract from link content my brackets

      I must be getting sappy in my old age, but this extract actually brought a tear to my eyes.

      Ahhh…principles…where art thou in these challenging times of duplicitous grifters run amok from the lowest civilian to the highest levels of our government? Principles where art thou…?

      I believe Dr. Ron Paul, as the article infers, has the “right stuff”; I.E. an Rx for the Republic.

      Carl Nemo **==

      • Almandine

        December 15, 2011 at 7:41 pm

        I hope you’re right carl, but it wouldn’t be easy, simple, quick, or popular… but when compared with the trainwreck we’re headed for… :-(

  17. Bill Cravener

    December 16, 2011 at 6:24 am

    “The powers that be.”

    IMO, here is the reality of it. The GOP must take into account the fact that the rank-and-file and the party establishment will have the final say. Ron Paul can only succeed by his influence on actual voters who elect actual delegates to the actual convention and the fact is such voters do not favor him. His anti-stance against the GOP’s love of war, the end of the Federal Reserve (to name a few) and not being a GOP team player has doomed him of any chance.

    • Carl Nemo **==

      December 16, 2011 at 8:42 am

      I respect your opinions on this issue Bill as to whether Ron Paul is electable or not, but the rubber meets the road at the ballot box regardless of MSM and party apparatchik influence.

      Teddy Roosevelt pulled it off in 1912 with his “Bull Moose Party” political putsch and so too Paul can pull it off as long as he doesn’t fade in New Hampshire as he did last time. Who knows what ‘angry stew’ is brewing within the electorate? I know how I feel with this continual gaggle of inept mattoids that are shoved down our throats every four years.

      Obama is a brilliant orator and ‘snake oil’ salesman too. Paul, juxtaposed against the likes of Obama is understatement. It’s time America opted for understatement with substance as opposed to overstatement with little substance for which we are currently suffering, along with a commitment for change we truly can believe in via actions that will speak far louder than campaign trail words.

      I’m providing a Teddy Roosevelt link. I urge readers to take the time to read the article. Truly an amazing man.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

      Carl Nemo **==

  18. Senegoid

    December 18, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Ron Paul abstained from the NDAA vote.

    I thought that RP championed sound money and liberty.

    It could be argued RP has been consistent re sound money, but it would appear he has not made his mind up about liberty.

    • Carl Nemo **==

      December 18, 2011 at 2:56 pm

      Thanks Senegoid for this factoid.

      Hmmmm? I tried to dig up any commentary concerning this issue based on an interview with him as to why so, but couldn’t find anything. I did find a list Congressional ‘traitors’ who voted “aye” for the NDAA. Paul generally takes pride in voting “NO” on most legislation, but not this one?

      The main reason many of them are cowards concerning taking a stand is because the bill is linked to military funding and these seemingly mindless clowns are still marching lockstep to the idea that U.S. can afford to be the world’s defacto ‘cop’. We’re flat, dead-assed broked as nation, thanks to them, yet they continue to swipe the national credit card as if there’s no tomorrow.

      Maybe Paul is another ‘judas goat’ as Obama? We’re so bad off as a nation, we’d probably do far better by simply saying…Hey you! to anyone on a streetcorner and say you’re now ‘preznit’ of our “Idiocracy” and would do far better than electing any one of these perrenial losers that run for our highest office.

      Here’s a link concerning the NDAA vote.

      http://interact.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=10772387

      Allegedly Obama was to veto the bill if the Levin/McCain amendment was part of the legislation, but this link content says he’s withdrawn his threat to do so. These traitors to the Constitution and Bill of Rights for which they took an oath to uphold and defend against all enemies both foreign and domestic doesn’t mean diddly squat to these low born mattoids.

      They’re evidently fearful as things get far worse the greater American public just might rush their perimeter and they want to a draconian statue in place to make mass arrests, holding citizens in internment camps until the 13th of forever. Some of these creeps might even have been involved with setting up a “holocaust redux” scenario upon the American people. Seemingly any monstrosity is possible with these obviously out of control, emergent tyrants.

      Maybe we all need to take a que from Thomas Jefferson, not only did he have sterling intellect, but has a heavy set of balls too.

      *****

      “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” …Thomas Jefferson

      *****

      Carl Nemo **==

  19. Carl Nemo **==

    December 18, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Re: last paragraph

    “Maybe we all need to take a [que] from Thomas Jefferson, not only did he have [ ] sterling intellect, but [has] a heavy set of balls too.” …ref my brackets

    should read:

    1. gueue

    2. a

    3. had

    My apologies. : (

    Carl Nemo **==

    • Carl Nemo **==

      December 18, 2011 at 11:09 pm

      1. queue #-o

      Methinks it’s time for a new eyeglass prescription.

      Carl Nemo **==