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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed.

I also believe the unions were largely to blame for GM and Chrysler going belly up a few years back. Their highly entrenched unions largely prevented them from innovating and competing with other, non-union automakers (like Toyota and Honda) who have found that if you take care of your employees with a fair wage and good treatment, there&#039;s absolutely no need for unions in the first place.

What&#039;s more, many companies have also now discovered that trying to innovate in a collective bargaining atmosphere is a lot like trying to drive a car with your foot on the gas and the brake at the same time....things go nowhere.  

And, in today&#039;s highly competitive global marketplace, companies that can&#039;t innovate because of their highly restrictive collective bargaining agreements are eventually doomed to failure.  And when they do EVERYONE (except perhaps the union bosses)loses.

Like I said, collective bargaining worked when employers had little choice as to where they operated and who they hired.  But now they do.  And there are also plenty of people waiting in line for jobs these days...under any working conditions.  

Unfortunately, it would appear that the mafioso types now running our unions have yet to wake up to those facts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.</p>
<p>I also believe the unions were largely to blame for GM and Chrysler going belly up a few years back. Their highly entrenched unions largely prevented them from innovating and competing with other, non-union automakers (like Toyota and Honda) who have found that if you take care of your employees with a fair wage and good treatment, there&#8217;s absolutely no need for unions in the first place.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, many companies have also now discovered that trying to innovate in a collective bargaining atmosphere is a lot like trying to drive a car with your foot on the gas and the brake at the same time&#8230;.things go nowhere.  </p>
<p>And, in today&#8217;s highly competitive global marketplace, companies that can&#8217;t innovate because of their highly restrictive collective bargaining agreements are eventually doomed to failure.  And when they do EVERYONE (except perhaps the union bosses)loses.</p>
<p>Like I said, collective bargaining worked when employers had little choice as to where they operated and who they hired.  But now they do.  And there are also plenty of people waiting in line for jobs these days&#8230;under any working conditions.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, it would appear that the mafioso types now running our unions have yet to wake up to those facts.</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
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		<dc:creator>woody188</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 03:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t really say how the repeal in Ohio is going. It seems fairly divided to me. And basically if it is repealed, it will probably mean fewer jobs for those public employees but they will still be higher paying. So which is really better for our kids and communities?
This is too close to call.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t really say how the repeal in Ohio is going. It seems fairly divided to me. And basically if it is repealed, it will probably mean fewer jobs for those public employees but they will still be higher paying. So which is really better for our kids and communities?<br />
This is too close to call.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandune</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keith, I worked for Lear Radio years ago and he said your very words to us.  Our facility was run over with Union workers only to find out that Lear paid higher wages and handed out more perks than the Union demanded.  It was a nasty scene and I got out of there before I opened my mouth and therefore beaten up.  I made the right move and found a better job at Hughes Aircraft.  My grandmother owned a lot of Lear Stock and sold it quickly.  It was a good move for her too.  He ended up in Nevada trying to build an electric car.  Didn&#039;t work.  I had grown up knowing the Lear family and they were decent people who had made more jobs in Santa Monica along with Douglas Aircraft than others.   Hughes had union shops where they made the parts of the Falcon missile that I worked for but the office help did not have to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, I worked for Lear Radio years ago and he said your very words to us.  Our facility was run over with Union workers only to find out that Lear paid higher wages and handed out more perks than the Union demanded.  It was a nasty scene and I got out of there before I opened my mouth and therefore beaten up.  I made the right move and found a better job at Hughes Aircraft.  My grandmother owned a lot of Lear Stock and sold it quickly.  It was a good move for her too.  He ended up in Nevada trying to build an electric car.  Didn&#8217;t work.  I had grown up knowing the Lear family and they were decent people who had made more jobs in Santa Monica along with Douglas Aircraft than others.   Hughes had union shops where they made the parts of the Falcon missile that I worked for but the office help did not have to.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...&quot;When they are mandated by any State. they can get greedy&quot;....


     To which I might add...&quot;nonproductive&quot;.  Unions are like lawyers...they add absolutely NOTHING to a nation&#039;s productivity.  

Collective bargaining simply drives the cost of everything produced upward because manufacturers simply pass along the cost of all that nonproductive union labor to those who purchase their products.  

And then we have the nerve to wonder why many of our union-infested manufacturing jobs have since been outsourced to China!  

To be frank, I have absolutely NO sympathy for these people who lost their jobs due to their union&#039;s outrageous wage demands which, in turn, simply forced their employers to look elsewhere for cheaper labor.  They largely have absolutely NOBODY to blame but themselves for their (and their union&#039;s) greed.

Clearly, such nonsense used to work in the past when employers didn&#039;t have a choice.  But, in today&#039;s global marketplace, now they do.  

What;s more, collective bargaining has absolutely NO place in the public sector beyond such things as working conditions and other such &quot;hygene&quot; factors.  

Holding taxpayers (who usually have absolutely NO say in the matter) hostage to outrageous public sector union-backed wage demands is much like holding a gun to people&#039;s heads and saying &quot;pay up...or else&quot;.

It would appear that the citizens of Wisconsin (and other government entities with similar public unions) are fed up with all such nonsense....as they well should be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8221;When they are mandated by any State. they can get greedy&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>     To which I might add&#8230;&#8221;nonproductive&#8221;.  Unions are like lawyers&#8230;they add absolutely NOTHING to a nation&#8217;s productivity.  </p>
<p>Collective bargaining simply drives the cost of everything produced upward because manufacturers simply pass along the cost of all that nonproductive union labor to those who purchase their products.  </p>
<p>And then we have the nerve to wonder why many of our union-infested manufacturing jobs have since been outsourced to China!  </p>
<p>To be frank, I have absolutely NO sympathy for these people who lost their jobs due to their union&#8217;s outrageous wage demands which, in turn, simply forced their employers to look elsewhere for cheaper labor.  They largely have absolutely NOBODY to blame but themselves for their (and their union&#8217;s) greed.</p>
<p>Clearly, such nonsense used to work in the past when employers didn&#8217;t have a choice.  But, in today&#8217;s global marketplace, now they do.  </p>
<p>What;s more, collective bargaining has absolutely NO place in the public sector beyond such things as working conditions and other such &#8220;hygene&#8221; factors.  </p>
<p>Holding taxpayers (who usually have absolutely NO say in the matter) hostage to outrageous public sector union-backed wage demands is much like holding a gun to people&#8217;s heads and saying &#8220;pay up&#8230;or else&#8221;.</p>
<p>It would appear that the citizens of Wisconsin (and other government entities with similar public unions) are fed up with all such nonsense&#8230;.as they well should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandune</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have always held mixed thoughts about Unions.  When they are mandated by any State. they can get greedy.  I always prefer a state that is considered &quot;open.&quot;  Let the Unions convince the workers they are covering their right and leave the choice to the workers.  

Apparently the Wisconsin voters prefer non-unions in their states.  It is their choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always held mixed thoughts about Unions.  When they are mandated by any State. they can get greedy.  I always prefer a state that is considered &#8220;open.&#8221;  Let the Unions convince the workers they are covering their right and leave the choice to the workers.  </p>
<p>Apparently the Wisconsin voters prefer non-unions in their states.  It is their choice.</p>
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		<title>By: dougie boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dougie boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Tea Party is gaining ground in California of all places. So I&#039;m a little surprised that AP is trying too play up a growing defection or dissatisfaction among the American people with the Tea Party. The unions just threw everything but the kitchen sink, and could not get it done. The American people are fed up with the dems and republicans who side with the dems. 2012 will be bigger &quot;shellacking&quot; then 2010.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tea Party is gaining ground in California of all places. So I&#8217;m a little surprised that AP is trying too play up a growing defection or dissatisfaction among the American people with the Tea Party. The unions just threw everything but the kitchen sink, and could not get it done. The American people are fed up with the dems and republicans who side with the dems. 2012 will be bigger &#8220;shellacking&#8221; then 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: E Flemming</title>
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		<dc:creator>E Flemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if the Marxist president will order an investigation on this like he has for S&amp;P.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the Marxist president will order an investigation on this like he has for S&amp;P.</p>
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