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		<title>By: logtroll</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/41426/comment-page-1#comment-166604</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 02:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Al&#039;s games are travesty?

Pip, pip... cheerio!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al&#8217;s games are travesty?</p>
<p>Pip, pip&#8230; cheerio!</p>
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		<title>By: b mcclellan</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/41426/comment-page-1#comment-166554</link>
		<dc:creator>b mcclellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not a game at all, but travesty.
 Al, you&#039;re a peach..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a game at all, but travesty.<br />
 Al, you&#8217;re a peach..</p>
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		<title>By: Almandine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Almandine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, I do know my exact percentages and my data are in fact in that range, too, but a single case is not as useful as the broader picture. I could be Bill Gates or the guy under the bridge, neither of which would be particularly relevant to the issue.

As for the rest, maybe you should learn to read s-l-o-w-l-y so you get it.

The sales tax number I quoted was the percentage of residual income that sales taxes consume after the other individual taxes are paid, not the simple rate on goods and services. The simple rate here is 8.375 , but only on goods, not services.

Property taxes are a function of appraised property value, and hard to measure broadly because of the different formulas used to set the assessment ratio. As a percentage of residual income, they will be less than the others. Mine are 12% of the assessment ratio, whereas property taxes in New Jersey are 5 or 6 times that much. Having said all that, after paying fed, state, local, and sales taxes, their relative burden is inversely proportional to the remainder of residual income, and certainly more on average than 1%.  That&#039;s not imagination.

What the federal income taxes buy is everything from military might to turning food into automobile fuel to training Chinese hookers how to drink responsibly on the job, which is actually the reason that more taxes cannot be justified, without paring the idiotic from the list of  &quot;multiplicative benefits&quot; we&#039;ve been sold. 

So it&#039;s not a game at all... but travesty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I do know my exact percentages and my data are in fact in that range, too, but a single case is not as useful as the broader picture. I could be Bill Gates or the guy under the bridge, neither of which would be particularly relevant to the issue.</p>
<p>As for the rest, maybe you should learn to read s-l-o-w-l-y so you get it.</p>
<p>The sales tax number I quoted was the percentage of residual income that sales taxes consume after the other individual taxes are paid, not the simple rate on goods and services. The simple rate here is 8.375 , but only on goods, not services.</p>
<p>Property taxes are a function of appraised property value, and hard to measure broadly because of the different formulas used to set the assessment ratio. As a percentage of residual income, they will be less than the others. Mine are 12% of the assessment ratio, whereas property taxes in New Jersey are 5 or 6 times that much. Having said all that, after paying fed, state, local, and sales taxes, their relative burden is inversely proportional to the remainder of residual income, and certainly more on average than 1%.  That&#8217;s not imagination.</p>
<p>What the federal income taxes buy is everything from military might to turning food into automobile fuel to training Chinese hookers how to drink responsibly on the job, which is actually the reason that more taxes cannot be justified, without paring the idiotic from the list of  &#8220;multiplicative benefits&#8221; we&#8217;ve been sold. </p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not a game at all&#8230; but travesty.</p>
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		<title>By: b mcclellan</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/41426/comment-page-1#comment-166547</link>
		<dc:creator>b mcclellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d give them all the Fickle Finger of Fate Eve, sans an Oscar,
 but they&#039;ve already got it pointing at us..Rats !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d give them all the Fickle Finger of Fate Eve, sans an Oscar,<br />
 but they&#8217;ve already got it pointing at us..Rats !</p>
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		<title>By: b mcclellan</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/41426/comment-page-1#comment-166544</link>
		<dc:creator>b mcclellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, thanks Al..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks Al..</p>
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		<title>By: Logtroll</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/41426/comment-page-1#comment-166538</link>
		<dc:creator>Logtroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Al, you better find somebody else to do your taxes. As you found, answering your own questions was not a simple and clear task, was it. You apparently were not able to use your own data, since you didn&#039;t. 

The combined fed (incl. Ss and mc) and state figure you used  is close to mine (like you, I don&#039;t know the exact figure). Sales tax here is 7.25 percent, not 30. Property taxes are about one percent, not ten.

Next logical question should be to itemize what those taxes buy, another complex issue.

Maybe you should put some effort into real data that relates to something before running away with your imagination?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al, you better find somebody else to do your taxes. As you found, answering your own questions was not a simple and clear task, was it. You apparently were not able to use your own data, since you didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The combined fed (incl. Ss and mc) and state figure you used  is close to mine (like you, I don&#8217;t know the exact figure). Sales tax here is 7.25 percent, not 30. Property taxes are about one percent, not ten.</p>
<p>Next logical question should be to itemize what those taxes buy, another complex issue.</p>
<p>Maybe you should put some effort into real data that relates to something before running away with your imagination?</p>
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		<title>By: Almandine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Almandine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One correction: the sales tax rate was on income remaining  after taxes, not expenditures. Mea culpa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One correction: the sales tax rate was on income remaining  after taxes, not expenditures. Mea culpa.</p>
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		<title>By: eve</title>
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		<dc:creator>eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More Kabuki Theater so the peons will believe there was actually a disagreement as a result of one party putting forth the effort to represent the &quot;people&#039;s&quot; best interests.

Laughable.

I know those of you who visit this site understand the reality of the situation.

Obama and Cantor should win Oscar&#039;s I guess.

It will surely get the partisan-sports-mentality of the unwashed masses into full force. Meanwhile, the economy continues to be suppressed and right now, somewhere in the US, children are going hungry.

The most prosperous nation on earth and children go hungry and veterans go homeless?

Why?
Why?

The money system is corrupt.
The money system is corrupt.
I meant to say it twice.
ALL of our problems come back to the fact we are NOT in control of our financial situation.
We (as a nation) do not control the printing of our money.

Instead, we let a FOREIGN entity print money at will and loan it back to us (our money) loaned back to us WITH INTEREST.

Those who could change this allow it to continue.
Are the paid off?
Threatened?

Why is this allowed to continue?

Obama and Cantor are BOTH aware of the US money situation and instead of curing the disease, the (and all of the other politicians) try to mask the symptoms.

Kabuki Theater for the masses.

I wonder if Obama and Cantor will enjoy a round of golf at the club later and maybe have a drink in the lounge?

One thing is for sure ... the debt problem will not be fixed and the disease will not be cured...........by intention.

If Obama and Cantor ever (yes, I know it&#039;ll never happen) were to discuss ending ALL foreign aid to every nation, reigning in military spending AND the possibility of &quot;interest-free&quot; US currency backed by something of value, THEN (and only then) would this cure the disease.

Yep, Kabuki Theater.....but it would sell newspapers (provided people read them).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More Kabuki Theater so the peons will believe there was actually a disagreement as a result of one party putting forth the effort to represent the &#8220;people&#8217;s&#8221; best interests.</p>
<p>Laughable.</p>
<p>I know those of you who visit this site understand the reality of the situation.</p>
<p>Obama and Cantor should win Oscar&#8217;s I guess.</p>
<p>It will surely get the partisan-sports-mentality of the unwashed masses into full force. Meanwhile, the economy continues to be suppressed and right now, somewhere in the US, children are going hungry.</p>
<p>The most prosperous nation on earth and children go hungry and veterans go homeless?</p>
<p>Why?<br />
Why?</p>
<p>The money system is corrupt.<br />
The money system is corrupt.<br />
I meant to say it twice.<br />
ALL of our problems come back to the fact we are NOT in control of our financial situation.<br />
We (as a nation) do not control the printing of our money.</p>
<p>Instead, we let a FOREIGN entity print money at will and loan it back to us (our money) loaned back to us WITH INTEREST.</p>
<p>Those who could change this allow it to continue.<br />
Are the paid off?<br />
Threatened?</p>
<p>Why is this allowed to continue?</p>
<p>Obama and Cantor are BOTH aware of the US money situation and instead of curing the disease, the (and all of the other politicians) try to mask the symptoms.</p>
<p>Kabuki Theater for the masses.</p>
<p>I wonder if Obama and Cantor will enjoy a round of golf at the club later and maybe have a drink in the lounge?</p>
<p>One thing is for sure &#8230; the debt problem will not be fixed and the disease will not be cured&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..by intention.</p>
<p>If Obama and Cantor ever (yes, I know it&#8217;ll never happen) were to discuss ending ALL foreign aid to every nation, reigning in military spending AND the possibility of &#8220;interest-free&#8221; US currency backed by something of value, THEN (and only then) would this cure the disease.</p>
<p>Yep, Kabuki Theater&#8230;..but it would sell newspapers (provided people read them).</p>
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		<title>By: Almandine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Almandine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And here I thought you&#039;d have erudite responses to my questions. You&#039;re right... I must be an idiot! But, on with what you call the &quot;game&quot;.

I know you like anecdotes, but how about the general case? The average single (me) person had an income and payroll tax burden of 22.9% in 2010. The average state tax burden in 2009 (latest data I can find) was 9.8%. Local property taxes come in at about 10%, or so of property value, and average sales taxes run about 30% of remaining expenditures annually.  Seems like a pretty good haul for govt to me.

The view from the Tax Foundation:

Tax Freedom Day® will arrive on April 12 this year, the 102nd day of 2011. That means Americans will work well over three months of the year, from January 1 to April 12, before they have earned enough money to pay this year&#039;s tax obligations at the federal, state and local levels.

Tax Freedom Day arrives three day later in 2011 than it did in 2010, but nearly two weeks earlier than in 2007. This shift toward a lower tax burden since 2007 has been driven by three factors:

• The Great Recession has reduced tax collec­tions even faster than it has reduced income.

• President Obama and the Congress, after a long debate, extended the Bush-era tax cuts for two additional years.

• As part of the extension agreement, the Making Work Pay tax credit was replaced with the 2 percent reduction in the payroll tax.

Despite these tax reductions, Americans will pay more in taxes in 2011 than they will spend on groceries, clothing and shelter combined.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here I thought you&#8217;d have erudite responses to my questions. You&#8217;re right&#8230; I must be an idiot! But, on with what you call the &#8220;game&#8221;.</p>
<p>I know you like anecdotes, but how about the general case? The average single (me) person had an income and payroll tax burden of 22.9% in 2010. The average state tax burden in 2009 (latest data I can find) was 9.8%. Local property taxes come in at about 10%, or so of property value, and average sales taxes run about 30% of remaining expenditures annually.  Seems like a pretty good haul for govt to me.</p>
<p>The view from the Tax Foundation:</p>
<p>Tax Freedom Day® will arrive on April 12 this year, the 102nd day of 2011. That means Americans will work well over three months of the year, from January 1 to April 12, before they have earned enough money to pay this year&#8217;s tax obligations at the federal, state and local levels.</p>
<p>Tax Freedom Day arrives three day later in 2011 than it did in 2010, but nearly two weeks earlier than in 2007. This shift toward a lower tax burden since 2007 has been driven by three factors:</p>
<p>• The Great Recession has reduced tax collec­tions even faster than it has reduced income.</p>
<p>• President Obama and the Congress, after a long debate, extended the Bush-era tax cuts for two additional years.</p>
<p>• As part of the extension agreement, the Making Work Pay tax credit was replaced with the 2 percent reduction in the payroll tax.</p>
<p>Despite these tax reductions, Americans will pay more in taxes in 2011 than they will spend on groceries, clothing and shelter combined.</p>
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		<title>By: logtroll</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Probably (to all your questions). 

Now how about using yourself as the test subject in your question about what percentage tax you pay? I thought maybe you were going to use a real example to demonstrate something. I think that would be far more interesting than posing a list of unanswerable broadly generalized speculative questions that can only lead to unprovable broadly generalized speculative arguments that lead nowhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably (to all your questions). </p>
<p>Now how about using yourself as the test subject in your question about what percentage tax you pay? I thought maybe you were going to use a real example to demonstrate something. I think that would be far more interesting than posing a list of unanswerable broadly generalized speculative questions that can only lead to unprovable broadly generalized speculative arguments that lead nowhere.</p>
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