How do we handle the millions of immigrants who migrated here for their individual culture aspects. It became a thread based on the ultimate collective control for all who live in America. I could probably survive as part of a whole group but how could I live trying to make my children fit into a model of American perfection?

Silly me; I wanted highly educated children who instinctively knew right from wrong and could be natural leaders in any subject they chose. I gravitated to others who understood the virtues of leadership. Was my family different in their occupational leadership? I don’t know. They were capitalists and successful and all of us (23 grand kids) were raised with the idea that we were able to live as individuals in any level of income we desired. Many of my uncles/aunts were professional musicians and had to struggle to make their music better than others. In the world of symphonic scores in Hollywood, they made it.

Politically there was nothing better than proving our talents and work could make it big as far as audiences were concerned. The Audience paid to hear us play, sing our songs, dance to our beat and we never stopped. Millions of musicians could stay secure in orchestras or dance bands but the good ones ventured out into composing and scoring operas, ballets and even cartoons.

Many of us recognized that money could be made in the music world if it had quality. Back in the 40′s it was dance bands who drew in the money and the influence of Latino music brought two of my uncles to Cuba where they spent years listening to that beat that is so much a part of today’s top ten discs. My mother struggled with classical challenges like J.S. Bach. At the Hospital in West Los Angeles, many patients wanted her to play boogie woogie. The left hand that carries the beat needed help. Mother used Bach and his musical inventions to fix this and she was very popular doing some two piano work with Mary Lou Williams. One has to be in their 90s to remember her music.

Today, playing an air guitar is good enough to win money on television and the desire for real talent has dropped. Electronic music is the chosen method today and the real stuff is missing.

I had a bad day yesterday as I had a carpenter do some work on my new house and my 20 year old cat got out. I was up most of the night searching for my missing Emma. She was an outdoor cat the first 10 years of her life and survived coyotes, mountain lions and nasty snakes but as of noon today there is no sign of her. I had a doctor’s appointment that had been cancelled by phone but the disconnect problem with my phone here could not contact me. I was mentally prepared to work harder on my writing skills including my posts here. It is probably time to stop anyway.

Trying to suggest individual action concepts to a bunch of collectivists is impossible. Even suggesting that you vote for better candidates, has brought out the war guns. I do not want to tell anyone how to vote, how to think, how to take care of your health; but to learn how to improve your lives based on the constant whining that is found here.

Whining is a good start, clarifying the problem is a good next step and then defining a fix is the next obvious action. It is not possible to follow this form of debate and I am sorry. Right now I will make another walk around here to see of some old black cat is looking for me.

Ladies and gentlemen find someone under thirty to trust.
That’s not your utmost hurry,
or worry ,
have you familia.

Biography vs bibliography, whence creations line meets today’s eraser of yesterday for the wise, whilst the pained abide.

When I close a thread that means discussion on that topic is closed until or if the thread is opened again.

You DO NOT try to continue the discussion on another article. Those who do it again will be history.

As B.F. Skinner would say, it’s the “intermittent” reinforcement that keeps the behavior alive… fail to respond 100 times and its frequency diminishes, then a single response rekindles it anew.

Quit rewarding it and it will extinguish in due time… as does all things.

*Almandine are you of the opinion that the human mind is not capable of knowing right from wrong without a God watching your actions? I understand this and am sorry you limit yourself as a complete human being.

*Apparently both of you are crowd followers and you will always be back in the middle of crown and nowhere near the leaders. Of course if you were raised in front of a television then it is understandable.

*Sadly I have to listen to the small minded men here at CHB.

*It is you who have to grow up and smell the reality of your existence. …all extracted from your rant

Total word count for your ramble =725 less 127 above dedicated to what you do best; ie., characterizing and categorizing others by your seeming limited event horizon; ie., no further than the end of your nose.

Lady, neither myself or Almandine know you from Adam’s proverbial housecat nor based on your writings would I care to do so. Woody, the good spirit that he is advised you get some help whether its medical or counseling. If you’ve had the full, well read life and associated experiences that you claim then your writings should be many octaves higher in quality and understanding than what you supply to this site.

Possibly you don’t realize that your posts do have many of us concerned; but for us to suffer you getting on the horn so to speak, blasting your past life accomplishments while attacking other site participants including CHB itself is highly irritating. You’ve even attacked Doug on occasion with your laundry list of indictments. One minute he’s “Chief”, then as things unravel in your mind, then comes the attack sequence.

As I’ve said before, you’ve threatened to leave dozens of times, but sure enough you pop back up just like the gopher in “Ground Hog’s Day” with another round of the same.

Seriously get some help and rest, clear your head up a bit and make another attempt at posting. We’ve heard your life story and accomplishments far too many times and it now all blends together like so much psychic mush. / : |

Carl Nemo **==

I read the bible, the book of Mormon and easily a dozen other books on the interpretation of the old and new testaments. I still use my Mary Ellen Chase text book on the subject. Why do we all have to be subjected to the environment from anything?

I had read all the English classics before I entered high school. Television was not something everyone had in their homes. Reading Walpole and Austen made me very aware of the possibilities of responsibility for our actions. The whole world was open to my choices.

I would not dream of assuming where you were raised or what you took from your environment. My life may seem tainted to you but what do you offer? If my points of view are so strange to you and Carl, I can only assume you have not associated with others.

Almandine are you of the opinion that the human mind is not capable of knowing right from wrong without a God watching your actions? I understand this and am sorry you limit yourself as a complete human being.

Is God demanding that you read my words? I was called the “Spawn of the Devil” here at CHB at one time. I had a member telephone my Hospice Training that I was gathering dying people into Hell.

I am not asking anyone to do what I did with regard to the education of my family. I simply wanted the best for the girls. Few women stood up for their girls and I was a bit of a freak. Here I stand up for my own choices and I am called insulting names. What about your wives and mothers? Would you treat your daughters any different than I did?

Apparently both of you are crowd followers and you will always be back in the middle of crown and nowhere near the leaders. Of course if you were raised in front of a television then it is understandable. I was not and dropped into the middle of a group intelligent designers of weapons and airships. None of them took the time to believe in the occult. This was in 1951 and I had just been trained as a technical writer. These were my heroes who also shared my joy of music, drama, concert productions and poetry. We spent several years in Science Fiction when few were reading them. We did not wait for something to become popular to snag our interests. I don’t recommend this for anyone. But my mind needed the stimulation of a different world set in different concepts. It also honed my awareness of disasters.

My handyman was attaching my flag pole when I smelled smoke. I immediately checked the mountains and the homes across the street and sure enough a unit across the street was on fire, I send the handyman to check the house and bring me the little dog. A crown gathered and the owner of the house was on his way home. His little dog had died the day before. These are mobile homes very close together and needed immediate help. Everyone in the park was soon introducing themselves to me the new resident.

This is not a trailer park and we have our own golf course and country club. Most drive Lexuses and live in a leisurely fashion. My daughter lives a few blocks way and my choice was here rather than with her. I’m getting old and unstable on my feet and probably have 4 or 5 years left. Sadly I have to listen to the small minded men here at CHB.

It is you who have to grow up and smell the reality of your existence. I get the same crap from others who never gave a thought to the truth of our existence. I learned from other women that it is possible to live as an original human. I learned from many wonderful women and I will always pass it on. Dealing with men is a different set of circumstances.

The secular humanist point of view is one where we treat all other humans as humans. We do not need government involved in our lives for any reason other than defense and keeping an eye on the White House in their appointments to the Supreme Court.

The reaction to Roe Wade dropped a bomb on all Americans who believe they are Christians. They have been told to stop birth control at any cost. Sadly they believe that all humans are born and raised in sin and they must drop on their knees and pray for redemption before they die. They hand their own children a “get out of hell” free card to be used as a justification for any action they take or accept from others.

We have nearly 6000 members here and we can debate, offer our advice and all under the leadership of Doug Thompson. I’ve gone too far on many occasions and been thrown out. I may hold the record for expressing an unpopular opinion.

Many here realize I do not get my opinions from Oprah, Rush or anyone who uses their audience like bunch of hillbillies who may have never actually read a book in their lives.

I would be interested to know what the dissenting voices are saying to you. You come off as the captain of redistributing the wealth in America. What do you threaten? Are you one of those fools who refuse to pay your income taxes and you may even do it in the name of Jesus Christ.

I had great hopes in Rand Paul and had been on the receiving end of the movement to replace him when his dad retired. His campaign took on all the glory of demanding that the federal government have the final word on law and order. The American voters have been dumbed down to the point that every statement, every suggestion and every candidate should be of one voice stopping any chance of developing a set of choices during the elections.

I saw the footage of Rand Paul’s assistants slam their foot on one woman’s head to shut her up during a campaign. God probably told them to remove her dignity of attending a rally. I remember watching Mussolini and Hitler using their henchmen doing the same thing. Yes, I am old enough to remember the Saturday Movietone news shown at that time.

Rand Paul cannot organize a movement without using violence and threats. I will never trust his actions when dealing with millions of ill-educated backers. He carries his card from God in his back pocket giving him justification to act as he wishes. My dislike of this religious right movement now has me labeled as a Communist?

I refuse to allow the federal government to force me into anything. I pay my taxes to support the structure of safety in America. I will never give the government any control over the education and welfare of my children. The government cannot tell me what to ingest, inhale, inject, or force me to memorize. They had no input in my education and I kept them the hell away from my kids.

Every few months, a jug of water hits the ant hills of the public here and all hell breaks loose. Every label issued at Fox, Rush and the new loony called Glen Beck is thrown into the discussions because you have nothing to build on in the way of a fix. Take your schools back and educate your children to make choices based on rational concepts. If you start early enough your kids will not do drugs, drop out of school and you just might keep you pants zipped. get right from wrong early and tell yourself you are not a sinner but could be an example of a decent human being.

NO, you would rather line up your list of sins and demand the Congress prohibit them.

Instead of knocking corruption out of the government, try not stop needing their control. Set your own family laws and values and never look to any religion to do it for you. I am much more interested in whether Rand Paul has a human bone in his body. He has been a great disappointment. The whole movement is bad for America and degrades the reason that so many humans have migrated here.

A great truth of our origins may be ready to break at any time. Will it remove the brains and balls from Christian members. Will it suddenly be exposed that this stuff is simply a very successful cult? Many live under the terrorism of the occult all over this planet and now they want control over all humans.

You must realize that this overpowering desire for Big Brother in the White House has managed to remove rational debate from the people themselves. There are small pockets where we can debate until some jerk with a list of labels tries to cut in. Go get your own site. There’s a good one called “Right Minds” and another called “The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.”

I would really like to know what it is about Rand Paul that you want in the government.