Gulf of Tonkin. Otherwise an excellent posting.

“LIES MY TEACHER TOLD ME, by James W. Loewen (Touchstone Publishing, Simon and Schuster) Oct. 2007, is a newly published, and totally revised reworking of his 1995 blockbuster.”

I will definitely read this one.

Thanks, Robert.

– Kent Shaw

Sandra Day O’Connor

Best–

Kim Scipes

But then, people like Kezeles never tire of painting whites in a bad light.

Let’s remember also, when the politically correct use propaganda words like “racist,” they simply mean white Gentiles who discriminate.

A couple of points grabbed me:

1) George Bush, when he claims the reason for the 9/11 attacks was because “They hate us for our freedoms.”

Well – “they” should love us now, given what Bush and company have done TO our freedoms in the wake of the attacks.

2) Wilson was elected to a great degree on his position to keep us out of the “Great War” – we then entered into it.

3) Hellen Keller, Mother Jones, Woody Guthrie, Joe Hill, Phil Ochs and many, many other people currently held in high regard were socialists – and would be considered “dangerous” today. The only “danger” ever presented by socialists was to those who had accumulated great wealth at the expense and exploitation of labor. Joe Hill was an outspoken activist for the miners who toiled in the copper mines and for the IWW (industrial workers of the world) – he was murdered by the mine bosses. Mother Jones marched at the front of many labor strikes, another proud member of the IWW. Our history was framed by men and women who are ignored by it. Odd how when they are mentioned today, their political leanings are ignored.

Yep, thanks much, now I know what I’m going to read over the holidays!

Peace

Steve

Actually, let’s keep in mind that “whites” fought a war to end slavery in the 19th century. It’s not like there was a sudden moment when the entire population of the country decided “hey, this is wrong” – and slavery didn’t end with the civil war – it continued through the Jim Crow era to an extent (quiet, but still there) and continues today with the exploitation of illegal immigrant labor – forced to work for substandard wages at dangerous mind numbing jobs with the constant threat of deportation hanging over their heads.
Perhaps you’d prefer that it be called endentured servitude in these enlightened times -but how many of us are really “free” in this day of being wage slaves to service our debt?
Yes, slavery still exists in other nations, does that justify it here?

Peace

Steve

Also, didn’t the KKK start shortly after the Civil War, with Nathan Bedford Forrest? So how did Wilson support the growth of “what ended up being the KKK?”

Most of the examples given were at least 50 years ago. Germany and Japan are now considered strong allies. Perhaps we should look at how we handled those wars and the following reconstructions.

We could pull back entirely from foreign interventions, as libertarians suggest. I find this quite understandable. However, that would include allowing ethnic cleaning, abuse of women and children, and build-up of threatening armies. I’m not sure that I am ready to go that route.

As for educating children, it is always difficult to determine how much information to provide them with. Do you try to tell a two year old everything you tell a college student? No.

I look forward to reading this book, but let’s try to keep perspective.

Jeffers

Peace without freedom is still slavery.

“Actually, let’s keep in mind that “whites” fought a war to end slavery in the 19th century.”

The Civil War was not fought by the North to end slavery. It was fought to maintain the Union. If the South had agreed to end slavery, the North would still have fought to maintain the Union.

Steve wrote:

“…slavery didn’t end with the civil war – it continued through the Jim Crow era…”

Slavery is the ownership of a human being, like owning a car or watch.

Jim Crow was not slavery.