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A complete Democratic failure

By Doug Thompson
October 15, 2007

Nancy Pelosi is such a complete, utter, failure as Speaker of the House that even she admits it.

When a politician admits failure, you know they realize they’ve screwed up big time.

Writes political columnist Marsha Mercer:

She’s not Glinda, the Good Witch from “The Wizard of Oz,” able to wave her magic wand and change things.

In nine months on the job as House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi has learned to live with the limits of her power.

Pelosi may be the top Democrat in the House and the most powerful woman in Washington, at least for now, but she can’t change things instantly. And so, she endures the wrath of the Democratic base for failing to end the war in Iraq.

“I don’t disagree with the public,” she told reporters at a lunch last week. “We have not done well in ending this war.”

Not well? That’s an understatement from someone who opposes the war herself. Pelosi chooses her words carefully; she also can speak plainly.

“It is not just the opinion of the Democratic base that we should end the war but of the American people,” she said. Democrats, independents and some Republicans agree the war should end.

“They don’t want to hear about 60 votes in the Senate,” she said. “Just do it.”

The problem, of course, is that the Democrats didn’t “just do it.” They “just didn’t do it” and then they “just” came up with excuse after excuse for “not doing it.”

The blame is not Pelosi’s alone. That corrupt political hack from Nevada, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, is just as big a failure when it comes to delivering on political promises. So are other members of the Democratic Party who have backed down, time and time again, to the demands of a despot named George W. Bush.

And a large part of the blame lies with ignorant voters who expected the daughter of one of the most corrupt mayors in the history of Baltimore to be either effective or honest. Pelosi is just another corrupt crook who talks out of both sides of her mouth and kowtows to the moneyed special interest groups who control both political parties in this nation.

Under her watch, the Democrats voted to give Bush more power to spy on Americans and abuse the Constitution. The backed away from campaign promises to put limits on Bush’s power to wage war and send more American men and women to death in illegal wars based on lies.

Democrats proved themselves no more honest than the corrupt Republicans they replaced in the offices of power. They became accomplices in Bush’s dismantling of the Constitution and the elimination of the freedoms that once stood as the foundation for this nation.

As we head into the Presidential campaign season, the Democrats appear poised to anoint yet another she-devil as their leader, the double-dealing, jive-talking Hillary Clinton. All the repackaging in the world can’t hide the fact that Clinton voted to give Bush the power to wage war and, to this day, she refuses to either apologize for that vote or admit she made a mistake. Underneath the veneer of consultant-packaged rhetoric is the soul of a warmonger who can be just as much of a hawk as the Republicans and that vicious streak should share the hell out of Americans.

Americans enter the excesses of a Presidential election year with no real choices among the frontrunners of either party. Any chance for change remains mired in the muck of the second and third tier of candidates and they have no chance of breaking out.

Yes, Nancy Pelosi is a failure. The Democratic Party is a failure. But the real failure is a political system that has allowed Democrats and Republicans to become the only choices. In the end, a victory by either party is a failure of the system and the real losers are the American people and a once-great nation called the United States.

35 Responses to A complete Democratic failure

  1. jarnod11

    October 16, 2007 at 11:30 am

    Yes, Pelosi has failed to do a lot, mainly because the Congressional votes can’t be garnered to override King George’s veto.

    A similar failure of late has been the Rant itself. It has become like the derelict talking to himself in the alley about things that have gone wrong. All the Rant seems to do lately is increase the flatulence in a strong wind. It is noticed for an instant, then forgotten except for the odor. And soon that is forgotten as well.

    To me, this website has become a disappointment–broken promises and always complaining. Do something constructive. Destructiveness works for a while, but when nothing constructive is offered, you are left with a toothless rant.

  2. gene

    October 16, 2007 at 9:38 am

    Failure yes but (this failure) includes the whole nation. Almost every aspect of this country is and has become a complete failure and we are going to pay….soon. In fact, it has already started in a very serious way, ie. the total collapse of our financial system which much like politics is has become based on stupidity and greed. Give it another six months and the whole landscape will have changed into something very ugly. Good luck!!!!!

  3. Jim C

    October 16, 2007 at 9:53 am

    Please , all of you misguided Ron Paul supporters . His policies would be a disaster , privatizing everything , doing away with pretty much all regulation and governmeny agencys , selling off public lands and parks ( and the highway system ) to the highest bidder ( Guess who that would be ) . If you like the present republican policies he would put them on steriods , he’s wrong on everything except the war . Yes , he’s honest and nice . The problem is , he’s also loony . Please , read his policy ideas and think them through . All he would do is turn the country over to the rich and powerful , lock , stock and barrel .

  4. Pablo

    October 16, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    Ron Paul…

    A poster above claims that Ron Paul is the solution to our problems. Although he is the only Republican who has gained some of my respect, and I appreciate that he values the constitution (in most ways) and wants to stop our foreign interventions, he is frothing at the mouth to outlaw abortion. That is scarey! On the other hand, Kucinich and Gravel respect the constitution and want to keep us out of war and take care of problems at home, but do not want to oppress women or lead us back to the days of back-alley abortions. These two are our only hope, but too bad the people vote for the person with the most $, who also happens to be person the 6 mainstream press outlets support. So we will get Hillary and more war in the Middle East. Sigh…

  5. ekaton

    October 16, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    FINALLY! Someone who can see through this whole “Ron Paul Movement”. Very well put JimC!

    — Kent Shaw

  6. DejaVuAllOver

    October 16, 2007 at 3:19 pm

    You got that right, Doug. And Pelousy is not even the worst offender in the Loser Department. Madam Hillary gets my vote for Hypocrite of the Century So Far. I never thought there could be ANYONE that could redeem Bush, but these two zeros are doing all they can to make Bush look better.

  7. justanothercoverup

    October 16, 2007 at 5:22 pm

    Nancy Pelosi has been an utter failure since she became the Speaker of the House, and her actions in regard the crisis brewing in Turkey is just another nail in her coffin of incompetence, and the Democrats would be well-advised to find a speaker that also has a little common-sense, a trait that she severely lacks and shares with the rest of Congress.

    Bush, Pelosi, And Congress: Dumb and Dumber

    William Cormier

  8. Klaus Hergeschimmer

    October 16, 2007 at 10:44 pm

    Excuse me! There is no law that the Congress can not simply cut funds for the occupation which does not require a veto proof majority or the senate to to cut funds.

    I have called and called my representatives and senators to no avail, I don’t merly complain, but the fact of the matter is the Democrappers are on board with this occupation by its simple assertion that, while being against the occupation, they still put in the clause that ‘enough troops should be left in Iraq to protect American assets'; translated this means they support the continued occupation of Iraq which is also why we hear nothing from the Democrappers about the biggest McEmbassy ever being built & the 14 permanent military bases being built, one right next to Iran.

    Nancy Fancy Pants took out a clause in the May spending bill that would have required BushCo to go to permission to congress to bomb Iran; Fancy Pants Nancy took out that provision after being booed about it by the AIPAC lobby. The AIPAC lobby with no equivocating whatsover has been behind this occupation from many, many moons ago.

    While on Fancy Pants watch, BushCo was given permission to spy on US citizens without any oversight by the FISA court.

    So don’t tell me I’m not trying to do anything constructive when we as citizens continually call our reps and they continually ignore us.

    CHB is probably the best forum I’ve ever encountered by people who truly care and are not merly blabbers that do not back up their words with actions.

    What I see in many postings on this site is the frustration of the fact that they do constructive things such as calling their reps but to no avail.

    The solution is to throw out Bummettes like Nancy Fancy Pants and Hairy Reed and tar and feather them putting them on a rail strait out of DC.

    Cindy Sheehan sees what’s going on and she’s running against Nancy Fancy Pants so all I have to say to Cindy is: Go Girl Go!

    What I have to say to Hillary Clinton is: Don’t go girl go!

    Oh! By the way jarnod, what actions is it you personally have taken.

  9. SEAL

    October 16, 2007 at 9:08 pm

    I made 3 phone calls this morning to tell my reps in Washington that if they did not stand up and vote to override the Bush veto of the health care bill I would vote for their competition in the next election no matter who it was.

    I also sent 2 E-mails to my senators about other things. What else would you have me do? I can’t get too far away for very long from my treatments at the cancer center.

    Instead of complaining, how about offerring your plan?

  10. Sandra Price

    October 17, 2007 at 9:14 am

    I’m seeing the same statements here that are on the Reader Rant. More government control, this time taking on health care costs. Many like the thought that the government owns most of the open land in America making it free from taxes. Our Highways are a shambles and our parks not good for much other than fires. Could it be that the government is not good at managing these kinds of things?

    Would you rather have the government issue coverage for only approved sicknesses and surgeries and which medications they will pay for? Have you not learned at this time that the government is a mass of greedy people just waiting to abuse and use all of us tax payers?

    The problem is not the system America uses but the government greed. Do you honestly believe the Democrats are less greedy than the Republicans?

    America must cut back on government authority. Handing this massive sponge of greed, our needs, is not the answer to our problems. It is the source of our problems. The key to correction is not to change the system but change the representatives who have abused their power. Take a look at the platforms of both parties. Is this really what we want leading our nation?

    Both parties are promising changes to all American citizens from the Socialism of government control to the other end of turning us into a Christian nation meaning a police state. Where does one go to say NEVER to both of these plans?

    Third parties are condemned even before they start. We must decide before a single Primary comes up HOW MUCH GOVERNMENT DO WE REALLY WANT?

    Ron Paul is the only candidate who will cut back on government authority. But then what do we do with those American who cannot read or write or have no work ethics? We have to cover these drop outs as we cannot let them starve or freeze. Where did the churches go who used to take care of these homeless drop outs? Oh yes, they are now lobbying for more federal grants.

    What changes will be made come the Primaries? The GOP could not even elect a dog catcher at this time due to the corruption brought in by this phony religious movement.

    If Ron Paul is not what you want, then by all means go Socialist! Before you do this, please look at the economics of the old Soviet Union and even the new European systems of government. How easy it would be to throw away our scarred Constitution and simply make a government who takes responsibility for all of us. None of us would ever have to think or vote again as the system will take care of everything.

    Will a redistribution of wealth please you? Do you want to work a 60 hour week where you can take home only a portion of your earnings? Will your homes and cars be taxed based on our incomes rather than a fair market amount? Will private schools be taxed so that they will be forced to close? Will you be able to live with kids who can read only at a 4th grade level?

    Will your carefully planned investments find that the government can tax them by impossible standards of profits? This is what big government does to the people of the nation!!!

    Ron Paul is the only candidate who will reduce and limit the federal government so we can afford to live in a house, attend good schools and have retirement funds when we can no longer work.

    Apparently I remain the only Capitalist on this Home Page at CHB. I certainly got into trouble on the Reader Rant for stating my political opinions of free-enterprise capitalism. I did not vote for the terrible leaders we have in D.C. who took away so many of our freedoms found in the Constitution but I’ll be damned if I will support anyone who wants the federal government involved in my entire life.

    The voters are responsible for bringing in the last 3 Administrations who have raped and pillaged our freedoms, our federal budgets and removed the spirit of individual freedoms. You can vote for anyone you want but will you be willing to take the responsibility for Socialism which it seems you desperately want and need?

    Don’t bother to slam me for my independent desires, I’m out of here where freedoms are ignored and a limited government is feared.

  11. jarnod11

    October 17, 2007 at 10:23 am

    Reply to Klaus from jarnod11:

    Klaus, good point in your last line and certainly a valid one.

    In response, I am setting up a website and writing a mini-book (actually a quick-read manual) on identifying what is wrong with this country, while presenting options and inviting others to develop solutions to solve those problems (via the website). I am into the book in a big way and hope to dovetail it with the website. I hope to get this well in the works by the first of the year in an attempt to have an positive impact on the upcoming national election.

    If you talk to your reps in a manner that is similar to how you have written your response here, you should not be surprised that you are ignored.

  12. jarnod11

    October 17, 2007 at 10:40 am

    Response to SEAL from jarnod11:

    I’m with you on cancer treatment because I am going through that myself right now. Best of luck to both of us on that score. Going through chemo has given me a sense of urgency and more passion in trying to make things better for this country. I want my kids to have a chance to excel and prosper.

    Please see my earlier response to Klaus on what I am doing to help construct a better society.

    One solution to our national problems would be to put on the ballot an “up or down” vote on whether or not any lawmaker (local, state, regional, national) can take donations from any lobbyist or lobbying group. My opinion is that you can’t truly make the best decisions for your constituency or the country if you take money from group(s) that have a vested interest in the outcome of legislation or regulations. In my opinion, this would be a large first step and one that would clear the way for a more rational government.

    Best of luck to you with your treatments.

  13. Klaus Hergeschimmer

    October 18, 2007 at 7:13 pm

    First of all, you don’t know me yet your making a lot of generalizations that I and other posters on this web site don’t do anything positive.

    Well, I happen to work locally on environmental issues here in Palo Alto, California with a group called ACTERRA. I also have stumped for an environmentalist,
    Peter Drekmeir, one of the directors of a local environmental group, to get on the city council, who won a seat on the council.

    I’ve personally walked precincts, collected signatures for environmental issues here in the great county of Santa Clara. I also have done precinct walking, phone banks & checking poll returns for a state assemblyman, Ira Ruskin, who also got elected.

    I’ve cleaned birds when there was an oil spill off of Santa Cruz a few years back amongst many other things of an environmental restoration nature such as removing non-native invasive species of plants.

    To cut to the chase -don’t ram your wunderkind can-do on me when I already am quite constructive and contribute my civic duty to my country.

    On the count of calling up my representatives and senators, I’ve always used the utmost in polite decorum.

    Mad! You bet I’m mad and I’ll use all the F*cking expletives on….the Fu#@#$@#ing Rant page I want to regarding the greed and apathy and chicken-shitedness of the Democrats.

    Obviously, your not a regular, so you haven’t read the many postings which along with expletives are also quite positive, in depth, and logical in there analysis.

    So don’t ram your Est positive mumbo jumbo down my throat.

    What you have to offer in the means of positve constructive things to be done I think is great, but don’t generalize and second guess the positiveness of many of the folks who post on this site intimating what you think they are, or are not doing.

    Spare us your condescending platitudes, just say what you want to say with out your narcissistic blather.

  14. Klaus Hergeschimmer

    October 18, 2007 at 10:49 pm

    Hey Jarnod, sorry I got so riled but when it seemed like you were being condescending it really hit my button so I am very receptive to your ideas -Peace Brother.

  15. Helen Rainier

    October 19, 2007 at 12:46 am


    Two of the last three administrations (assuming you mean 2 runs of the Bush administration and 2 runs of the Clinton administration) have been the neocon/PNAC controlled Bush administration.

    As I and others have pointed out before, BOTH of the Bush administration’s so-called “elections” to office are more than debatable at this point.

    I must, yet again, object to your saying the “voters are responsible” for the Bush administration. There is more than ample evidence that both the 2000 and 2004 elections were rigged by the Republican Party.

    In 2000, We, the People elected Al Gore as President but the Bushies with a lot of help from the USSC robbed Gore of his Presidency.

    I still view the Bushies as being an illegitimate government. As such, I will take NO responsibility for “having voted” for them.

  16. jarnod11

    October 19, 2007 at 10:38 am

    Not a problem, Klaus. Thanks for the reply. I admire your commitment to your beliefs and your ability to work for postive changes.

  17. Stratocaster

    October 19, 2007 at 11:49 am

    The failure of this political,system is nothing special. If you study history, you come to the realization that all political systems are failures, and the only way of dealing with them is to keep on bitching. Keep up the good work!

  18. ekaton

    October 20, 2007 at 4:28 pm

    The electoral college has to go. How does one become an elector, anyway? I wish just once a group or renegade electors would vote against the popular vote in their state. That would finally end the electoral college nonsense. Gore won by 600,000 votes. There was so much flim-flammery in Florida, there should have been a re-vote not a re-count. Such things occurred as state police sealing black neighborhoods, no one allowed in or out, while looking for known felons. Of course they chose election day to do this. No other day would suffice. Of course black people mostly vote democratic, but this couldn’t have had anything to do with JEB BUSH’s Fla. State Police’s decision to conduct those activities on election day. Otherwise, it would appear as though election fraud had taken place and we all know that could never happen in America. A South American country’s populace would be rioting in the streets over something like this.

    — Kent Shaw

  19. chknox

    October 20, 2007 at 1:54 pm

    Vote out every one of those a–holes.
    (except for Henry Waxman)

  20. Jim C

    October 20, 2007 at 7:27 pm

    Ms Price , If I may address a few of your points . I would take issue with your statement that the national parks are a mess . Where there are problems its because conservatives have cut back the budgets for upkeep to do important stuff like give tax cuts to millionaires . You really don’t believe that selling them off to to Exon mobile or some developer would improve them do you ? As far as Mr pauls idea of privatizing the highway system , do I even have to explain how breathtakingly stupid that is ? You kept refering to the old Soviet union as ” socialist ” . Wrong , they were Marxists or communists if you prefer , not socialists . If you want a model of socialist , or democratic socialists , try France , Germany , Sweden etc , you know , countries that actually care about their citizens more than their corporations . I know , you’re probably going apoplectic at the very idea . I assume that by ” redistrabution of wealth ” you’re refering to taxes on the rich ? If so you are correct , I’m all for it . You made a comment about being refused healthcare by big government . Try getting sick if you have ( can afford ) for profit health insurance , they’ll drop you like a rock unless you have a union contract . Its not good for the bottom line . I see you also like to throw out all of the conservative boogie men ” big government ” , ” socialism ” ” tree enterprise ” etc etc . When you do this I’m supposed to start backing up saying ” oh no not that ” right ? Wrong , I’m all for big government 300 million big , I want the special interest money out of it , you conservatives forget , in a democracy we are the government . Yes I want it big enough to grab the likes of Ken Lay , Lee Raymond , Eric Prince , the Walton family , big oil , big tobacco wanta be aristocrats like the bushes and forbes by the scruff of the proverbial neck when necessary . What pray tell do you think would happen if we followed Ron Pauls ideas of privatizing everything and selling of all of the commons to the highest bidder ? Raping and pillaging come to mind . It would be akin to a sheppard turning over the welfare of his flock to a pack of wolves . I also know that trying to get you to understand the folly of this mans misbegotton , illconcieved ideas is a waste of time . I have friends that are Paul lemmings and they , like you , just refuse to actually think these things through . You also don’t seem to realize all of this free market conservative poison has been tried before and been a disaster ? If not may I recommend ” The Jungle ” by Upton Sinclair , that would be the free market , survival of the fittest ( greediest or well born ) wonderland it would lead to . No thanks , I’ll take a little big government socialism anytime .

  21. SEAL

    October 21, 2007 at 4:57 am

    I’m sick and tired of those people who continue to rail against government run health insurance. Every reason they give for not having it is already proved wrong. We have government health care – Medicare – and it is better than any private health insurance.

    With medicare you can select any doctor or hospital or other medical lab or testing facility you want for a small co-pay. All preexisting conditions are covered and you cannot be cancelled for any reason. Prescribed medications are co-payed at only $1-4.00. And the premiums are far lower than any private health care that provides anywhere near the same coverage. But, of course, none do.

    The main thing wrong with health insurance is that it is “insurance.” That means there is an insurance “company” running it that must make a profit. Therefore, it costs the individual more money. You pay for the care PLUS a fee to the insurance company. Medicare is non-profit, therefore, the cost of care is less to the individual.

    The misnomer is that medicare is government run health care. It is not. Under medicare, health care is determined by the health care professionals. Under the present system, health care is determined by insurance companies who decide what is covered and what is not.

    Medicare is the cost of health care administrated by a non-profit agency.

    There is no reason why the entire country could not have medicare. But there are two reasons why it does not.

    a) the insurance companies would lose a fortune, some would be out of business.

    b) the doctors and hospitals and pharmcuetical companies and labs and testing facillities, etc.(the medical industry) would lose a monstrous amount money because, as the the only health care payer, medicare could control prices.

    Consequently there is no bottom to the well of money they will spend on our legislators to prevent a national medicare for all.

  22. Klaus Hergeschimmer

    October 21, 2007 at 5:31 am

    Yes! Waxman is great, he really sends the hot coals in the Republikans direction.

  23. Jim C

    October 16, 2007 at 9:32 am

    I would say you’ve pretty much summed it up . Until we have publicly funded elections nothings going to change . I read where business is moving money over to the democrats . The article suggests this is because of republican policies . Nonsense , business simply is moving to buy whom they percieve will be in power . The simple fact that neither party will do what the public wants done speaks volumes , single payer health care , the war and on and on . The democrats are ignoring their base and not so subtlety doing the bidding of big business just like the republicans . We have devolved into a one party system serving big money .

  24. Steve Horn

    October 15, 2007 at 9:53 am

    Quite a track record for the leader of the majority party in the house, I’ll give you that. The Dem’s seem so quick to compromise with W, which means giving him exactly what he wants, they’re worse than the NEOCONS they replaced – at least when the NEOCONS rubber stamped W’s ideas you could understand why (they were, after all, on his side!) –

    So now they’re going to cave on SCHIP as well –

    Guess it’s time to have a clean sweep of the halls of congress – just vote the lily livered do nothings out – which for the house should be pretty easy in ’08 – as it’s clear that they are not interested in doing the business of the people, but rather in playing their little power games – well – to hell with that – and to hell with them.



  25. johnstrause

    October 15, 2007 at 10:21 am

    “Americans enter the excesses of a Presidential election year with no real choices among the frontrunners of either party. Any chance for change remains mired in the muck of the second and third tier of candidates and they have no chance of breaking out.”

    This is absolutely incorrect. Ron Paul, the Republican candidate for President is pushing ahead constantly and I am amazed that you give him no chance. He has a most excellent chance, assuming of course that no one kills him.

    He is completely pro-Constitution, against the war and the other abuses of this administration and I feel he has a most excellent chance. My guess is Pelosi will be an obstacle to his administration should he be elected but I am positive he is up for that challenge too.

    If you notice Congress has a lower rating than the President but I feel that this would change if we could get new people in the seats and the old blood out.

    I for one am doing what I can to see Ron Paul elected and I hope other people will visit his site, RonPaul2008.com and help out too.

    John Strause

  26. Dionysis

    October 15, 2007 at 10:27 am

    Could not agree more. You hit the nail on the head. Nancy Pelosi has shown herself, along with the other pathetic pretenders to ‘leadership’, they they are self-aggrandizing, cowardly liars. As an independent who voted a straight Democratic ticket in November primarily to reassert Congressional oversight, that Nancy Pelosi would effectively give George Bush the green light to continue his attacks on the Constitution (“do whatever you want, Georgie…after all, impeachment is not on the table”) is a complete sell-out.
    The Republicons are the party of despotism, and are destroying this country. The spineless Wimpocrats and the pathetic cretins that pass for their ‘leadership’ are the country’s biggest enablers. They’re all traitors.

  27. Steve Horn

    October 15, 2007 at 10:48 am

    “My guess is Pelosi will be an obstacle to his administration should he be elected but I am positive he is up for that challenge too.” – not if the people whom she “represents” can yank their heads out of their asses and show her the door … remember …. PeLousy is up for re-election in ’08 ….

  28. anthny

    October 15, 2007 at 12:18 pm

    A complete failure for the American people, but not for her handlers, AIPAC and the New World Order.
    The one party system has done exactly what the Neo-Con-Artists wanted all along, to destroy the middle class.
    The price of a barrel of oil was 22. dollars when Bush was selected in 2000, now it’s 80.dollars, what more can a oil man ask for.
    This dollar of ours is in the bucket and worthless, China can dump dollars on the world market and it would go deeper into the bucket.

    The plan to have a union of Mexico, Canada and the United States is in full motion and we will be the recipents of the AMERO the new dollar for the New World Order.

    We as a people have been sold a bill of goods by these righ-wing-nuts who want to control the whole world and looks like they will.

  29. Elmo

    October 15, 2007 at 12:37 pm

    When Grandma Nancy said that impeachment was off the table, she took away the only tool she could have used to check the Executive Branch abuses which are destroying our Constitutional government.

  30. bjiller

    October 15, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    The Dems are losing the anti-war center. They are proving that they are just as cynical and power-hungry as the GOP. As I have posted elsewhere, the Dems are busy snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, again.

    Dionysis represents the sane center in this country, and his comment demonstrates why the Dems will be lucky to hold on to Congress, let alone win the Whitehouse. I sadly predicted, right after the 2006 election, that the Dems wouldn’t really try to end the war, but instead would give Bush everything he wants for the war and then try to run against the war again in 2008. In fact, I suspected that the GOP threw the 2006 elections because the only hope for the GOP in 2008 was to have a Donkey Congress to share the blame on the war.

    The problem with the Dem’s “We can’t stop the war” strategy is that too many of us remember (or studied) what happened in Vietnam, and the tens of thousands who died while politicians tried to pin the blame on the other party. And too many of us know that all Congress has to do is stop funding the war.

    THE ANTI-WAR CENTER DOESN’T CARE that the Senate can’t override a veto, or prevent a filibuster. MAKE THE GOP DO IT! MAKE Bush veto a pull-out measure. MAKE the GOP Senators filibuster a pull-out measure. Let them go on record for DAYS demonstrating that it is THEIR war, not the Democrats’ war. That’s the only hope the Dems have of rescuing themselves . . . from themselves.

    I agree with the Ron Paul comment. I would note that Dennis Kucinich has also been right on Iraq since day one, but has not generated Paul’s popular support. Maybe because he supports Canadian style medicine, or maybe because the press is more interested in his hot young wife than his campaign positions.

  31. kevns007

    October 15, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    I don’t know if it’s that the dems are failures or that the oil industry the leaders of Big Business is just too powerful for any politician. The oligarchs are in control. What can any politician do? No, I’m really asking, what can any politician do? I’m convinced Wellstone was made an example. How many politician would have to die for the masses to rise up against Big Business? Would that even stop them, or change course to get back democracy from the Oligarchs and fascists? And now they’re spreading to other countries and gaining strength beyond anything Hitler ever dreamed of. How can they be stopped? Nothing has stopped them so far. Maybe, a gandhi-like National strike? Anyone have any ideas? I’m out of ‘em. But, there’s nothing worse than a repug. Except a NeoCon REpug. Or a spineless Dem.

  32. Donnat

    October 15, 2007 at 6:21 pm

    If you’re right, then it’s going to take a Myannmar-style uprising to get these pigs at the trough either thrown out of office or to start doing what we elected them to do. I’m just glad we have a few guns. Before Blackwater-style patrols police every town, before the dollar is worth less than toilet paper, before we become any more bovinely complacent about the corruption in our government than we are now, we should rally ourselves one more time and vote in record numbers in 2008 for a complete change.

  33. JoyfulC

    October 15, 2007 at 6:29 pm

    Hmmmmm…. maybe there are bigger things at stake.

    I think some partisans who cherish what passes as the Republican party these days over and above the democratic system of the United States of America would love to see the slight Democratic majority fall on their sword in this brief lame-duck president interim. But if the Democrats are smart, they’ll survive this brief problematic period.

    I’m not a partisan — Republican or Democrat, my interest is in candidates who place the interests of the ordinary American above that of the wealthiest, the most powerful and the corporate citizen. (Yeah, I know — I’m living in la-la land.) I accept that there are extremists among us — religious extremists, liberal extremists, free market extremists, socialist extremists, etc. I am interested in a candidate who finds a way to accommodate the moderates while at the same time not slamming the door on extremism. (For at one time, the very concepts that the United States was founded upon seemed extreme.)

    What I think is sad is that Americans are distracted by voices who shout loud and long to sway their votes. Americans these days don’t truly understand what it means to be an American. They don’t understand the burden of tolerance that our provenance places upon us, or the burden to be open-minded and accept change while still having the freedom to adhere to our own individual beliefs and principles. They only understand what they want now.

    No one said it would be easy to be an American — and yet, I fearfully suspect that these days, too many Americans think it is simple. It is incumbant upon us to hold to our basic tenents and principles, while at the same time, stretching ourselves intellectually and spiritually to accept those who have differing beliefs but who are as willing as we are to accept the same common ground. Our country started out as an experiment in human progress, and it’s up to us to continue and further that experiment.

    This is the dilemma the US finds itself in today.

  34. Klaus Hergeschimmer

    July 10, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    JoyfulC, you say the Democrats are smart! Is it smart for Sir Obama of Camelot to coddle the Neo-Con Republicans by not supporting Russ Feingold & Chris Dodd’s filibuster against Retro-Active immunity for Telecoms -you think that destorying the 4th amendment is a breif problematic setback for the Democrappers!

    Obama got his keester in by pledging to support Russ Feingold & Chris Dodd by NOT giving retro-active immunity to telecoms. Oh…but this is a brief problematic period for the Democrats, I see…

    You say you support a candidate that is a moderate, how do you define moderate? Is the Democratic party willfully plowing down the 4th amendment of the constitution moderate! Is Obama charecterizing his voting for retro-active immunity for telecoms as a ‘compormise’ bill moderate! It is anything but moderate, it is nothing less then capitulation of a core value of what it is to be American.

    JoyfulC -what moderates are you talking about -who?

    My definition of being American is different then yours.
    The Democrats letting George Bush get away with breaking the law by bypassing FISA, is a felony, and the Democrappers are aiding and abetting this illegal behavior for its own political expediency, with the care of the country being ‘off the table’ as Fancy Pants Pelosi would say.

    I don’t find it hard being an American as you do. JoyfulC, you say: “It is incumbant upon us to hold to our basic tenents and principles”…just what are your
    tenents and principles?; I know what mine are, If the president and the president’s Adminstration breaks the law, If Telecoms were breaking the law, they should be fully investigated. The Democrats are NOT holdng to any basic prinicples of ethics or the law by granting retro-acitve immunity to telecoms, does that make me a ‘liberal’ or ‘socialist’ extremist?

    No JoyfulC, I don’t have a hard time defining what it means to me to be an American, I weep for you that you find it difficult to be an American with these mushy values you have, whatever they are.

  35. Sandra Price

    October 16, 2007 at 7:06 am

    As I was flipping channels last night I heard someone say that 23 of our States are discussing cession from the USA. Is it possible that this might be the start of a revolution?

    Had our two-party system been working for the last 20 plus years, we would have seen our Congress using their oversight ability to stop all this crap that has destroyed our freedoms. I realize the last 3 Administrations has kept even our congress in the dark with their new one world vision of our empire building. But, we voted for these representatives and our own stupidity is what has caused this imbalance of power by both sides of the aisle.

    We must smarten up on the use of the Constitution and clean up the mess we made. We must unseat as many House and Senate members as we can as what we don’t know is less dangerous to our freedoms than what we do know of our Congress.

    I tell everyone to consider a complete change in our government or we will never get out of the debt and the loss of lives.