Don’t give in to al Qaeda

As the sixth anniversary of Sept. 11, 2001, approaches, we should be grateful: al Qaeda has not successfully attacked Americans a second time on American soil. We also should be distressed: Americans are debating whether to fight al Qaeda — or whether to retreat from the one battlefield on which we have a chance to seriously damage al Qaeda, both militarily and ideologically.

That battlefield is in Iraq. True, a case can be made that had President Bush not invaded Iraq, we would not need to fight al Qaeda in Iraq. But that is irrelevant to the question policy-makers need to decide: Do we continue battling al Qaeda in Iraq? Or do we stop — and let al Qaeda combatants in Iraq live to fight another day?

It’s also true that Iraq is not the only place where al Qaeda can be found. But, al Qaeda cells operate in secret in most countries. If we’re lucky, some of them are under surveillance by intelligence or law enforcement as, apparently, they have been in Germany.

Top al Qaeda leaders, including Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, are believed to be living in the remote reaches of northwest Pakistan. Pakistani authorities have been unable — some would say unwilling — to do what is necessary to root them out. And American troops have not been invited to accompany Pakistani troops on search-and-destroy missions.

That leaves Iraq, the theater in which we find al Qaeda’s most active and lethal members. Or rather, that was the situation until very recently. A year ago, al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) was firmly in control of Anbar and other Sunni areas, and sections of Baghdad as well.

Then, this summer, Army Gen. David Petraeus took command of the 28,000 reinforcements he needed to change course in Iraq. He decided to target the root cause of the sectarian violence: the AQI terrorists who were suicide-bombing mosques and markets in an attempt to foment a civil war from which they expected to benefit. He also began to challenge the Iranian-backed Shia militias that had gained power by responding to the AQI attacks.

Now, American troops, working with Iraqi Security Forces, have eliminated AQI command structures, safe havens and bomb factories in and around Baghdad, Baqubah and other former strongholds. They have killed thousands of AQI members. Among them: Mehmet Yilmaz, a Turkish-born al Qaeda leader, and a close associate of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. Yilmaz was killed June 23 — just five days after the last of Petraeus’ reinforcements arrived in Iraq.

Petraeus has redeployed American troops out of fortified Forward Operating Bases and into such cities as Ramadi and Fallujah. It was widely expected that putting more Americans in more vulnerable places would mean more casualties. In fact, American combat deaths have dropped by half in the three months since U.S. forces reached full strength.

Why? Petraeus has provided security for Iraqis — a mission that American troops were not performing before his arrival. In return, Iraqis are helping provide security for American troops. They also have been providing the actionable intelligence needed to fight effectively against AQI, the common enemy.

And that brings us to the other way the United States is now damaging al Qaeda: in the war of ideas. The news is getting out that Iraqi Arab Muslims are freely choosing to align with Americans and against al Qaeda.

This calls into question al Qaeda’s ideology and even its legitimacy – its claim to be the champion and protector of the world’s Muslims. If Muslims in the heart of the Middle East reject al Qaeda and side with Americans, that sends a message to Muslims around the world that al Qaeda is neither invincible nor unchallengeable. If the tribes of Anbar are not giving up their traditions and customs to embrace bin Laden’s version of Islam, why should Indonesians and Bosnians?

We now have a chance to seriously degrade AQI — which American intelligence calls the “most visible and capable (al Qaeda) affiliate and the only one known to have expressed a desire to attack the (U.S) homeland.” We now have a chance to deliver a painful physical, psychological and intellectual blow to global al Qaeda — to demonstrate who the “strong horse” really is.

Al Qaeda’s hope: that Congress will save them by legislating America’s retreat from Iraq; that lawmakers in Washington will vote to stop fighting al Qaeda in Iraq and to abandon those Iraqis who have been fighting with us and relying on us.

Six years after 9/11, in the midst of a global conflict against al Qaeda and its enablers, is there a more serious mistake we could make?

(Clifford D. May is president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, a policy institute focusing on terrorism.)

16 Responses to "Don’t give in to al Qaeda"

  1. mary cali  September 7, 2007 at 8:45 am

    KS good comments. I have heard enough of Cliff May to know that he qualifies as a never admit you were wrong neocon no matter how many bodies pile up.

    As for Doug, he seems to be determined to bring balance to the cite. However, a political hack is not the way to do it, unless Doug’s ultimate goal is to demonstrate just how inane these people are. Most of the people on this board seem to already know that.

  2. JoyfulC  September 6, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    Al Qaeda hasn’t _had_ to attack the US a second time — they’re still getting lots of mileage out of the last attacks, with heavy-lifting help from our current wrong-headed administration.

    I doubt that even al Qaeda could have predicted how well 9/11 would work out for them, because certainly they wouldn’t have expected the POTUS and Congress to hand them such a resounding and enduring victory on a platter.

    Some very wrong decisions have been made, and yet, every time we turn around, the same people who were all for making them are continuing to arge for them. Sheesh!

  3. mary cali  September 6, 2007 at 6:04 pm

    Cliff May has as much credibility as his good buddy George W. Bush. Both have been wrong on just about everything to do with Iraq. How stupid it would be to trust either one of them. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Or as our inarticulate president would say “can’t get fooled
    again”. Although, he certainly keeps trying.

  4. KS  September 6, 2007 at 10:40 pm

    Mr. May is making the assumption that al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) is significant in any way. It isn’t. See Andrew Tilghman’s “The Myth of AQI” in the “Washington Monthly.”

    AQI is mainly foreign leaders and Iraqi fighters who wish to impose strict sharia law after the U.S. is gone. They probably number less than 1,000 and are responsible for no more than 5% of the conflict. The highly secular Sunni Arabs don’t want these guys to remain after the U.S. is gone, and the Shites don’t want the AQI Sunni fighters in any case.

    Al-Qaeda in Iraq is more fiction than fact and mainly a stalking horse to those unwilling to admit that we were wrong to invade Iraq and are still wrong occupying Iraq.

    When we leave Iraq AQI will disappear. The various Shite groups will continue to fight and die until they decide to quit. The Sunni Arabs, Sunni Turkmen, and Sunni Kurds will fight and kill each other and the Shites until they all decide to quit. Our presence just prolongs this civil war.

    When we leave Iraq we can exert the full effort needed to fight the real al-Qaeda who attacked us on 9/11 in their hideouts in Pakistan, Afghanistan, or where ever the real culprits take themselves.

    Anyone note how effective the British and the Germans are at handling Islamist terrorists as law enforcement problems, not military problems? Could we learn something there?…nah, some of us refuse to learn.

  5. pacplyer  September 7, 2007 at 8:23 am

    This looks like another PRAVDA production straight from the Red-State Party machine.

    “Look Out For The Boogieman!” “We need another 50billion dollars to stop a 65-year old turd merchant on a burro whose plotting to kill us all!”

    1. Ben Ladin was A former employee of both Haliburton and the Carlyle group since doing oil extraction required that you hire the Saudi King’s favorite construction company. Bush I served on both boards.

    2. The CIA created Al Queida in the 1980′s as a resistance group to the soviet union’s invasion of Afganistan. Al Queida means “the base.” Then instead of putting the Mah Hadiun (sp?) in power like we promised once the Soviets were defeated we pulled out and they got slaughtered by their rivals. Now you know why they hate us so much.

    3. Where’s Bin Ladin? What is so hard to believe about a billionaire just getting on a private corporate jet in Pakistan and getting the hell outa dodge? Don’t you think he could have charted a helicopter in Tora Bora and been gone in an hour? Has Clifford May ever commuted? It’s not hard to do when you have that kind of cash.

    Having given them a trillion dollars of US Treasury plunder, Ben Ladin sports a new face and is living at remote 5-star hotels courtesy the Bush Crime Family, in my humble opinion.

    pacplyer

    p.s. It looks like “the party” got to you after all doug, what a shame.

  6. Richard Kanegis  September 9, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    Richard Kanegis Confession of a peace activist.

    Let’s admit it, al Qaeda will cheer. “Confessions of an antiwar activist.”
    215-563-2866RichardKanegis@aol.com,

    Fortunately, almost every response to May’s super-hawk rankings both opposed the war and admitted that al Qaida is really dangerous.

    I fear people may end up reading this comment alone rather than with the comments that came before.

    http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/3316

    Also, I hope you read one of the following in order for my comments not to limit opposition to the war.

    weeklypressonline/new/print/page3.pdf
    ucreviewonline.com/weeklypressonline/new/print/page3.pdf
    http://ucreviewonline.com/weeklypressonline/new/pr

    Somehow Americans both doves and hawks, somehow have to deal with the grim fact, that al Qaida has a lot of prestige to gain.

    I fear people may end up reading this comment alone rather than with the comments that came before. Nevertheless I am going to take the risk and admitted something no peace activist ever dared admit.

    Leaving Iraq will increase al Qaida’s image as supermen.

    They killed few Americans in Iraq, but suicide events really stood out. Most adult Muslims hate al Qaida, but put up with them, because they prefer not to commit suicide, and think suicide bombers get results.

    The children are a different matter. Many kids admire Columbine, Virginia Tech, and 9/11. It’s really scary for our more distant futures.

    Al Qaida picked doctors not explosive experts in England overplaying their hand. Four months earlier they warned that “Those who heal you will kill you.” German immigrant laws prevent extremely skilled foreign workers from entering the country. German business is crying that they can no longer compete with the rest of the world. The US and Britain almost followed Germany’s example. Tourist dollars are already chased away by airport security. Two attempts to create Western bankruptcy and collapse the dollar failed, but what will happen after the next attempt? Will Americans patiently stand in soup line like our grandparents did?

    Winter vegetables now come from Argentina not storage, and if we survive the winter, local farms are much further away then during the first depression.

    Another scaring fact, (beside leaving Iraq will allow al Qaida to claim victory ) that I will now admit, is that al Qaida suicide cells in this country are probably hair-triggered to go off just as soon as the US sends troops to Pakistan to prevent Al Qaida from seizing control, after assassinating Pakistan’s dictator. Or if US sends troops to Pakistan for any reason.

    Please everyone don’t read this comment without reading the comments that came before.
    Please click on these links:
    http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/3316
    http://ucreviewonline.com/weeklypressonline/new/pr… If easier to link on:
    ucreviewonline.com/weeklypressonline/new/print/page3.pdf

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    Some of my phone calls and email have been blocked by al Qaida or who knows.

  7. Richard Kanegis  September 10, 2007 at 5:37 pm

    Richard Kanegis

    Bin Laden thinks the last 1000 years was a war between the Muslim world and the West where Muslims couldn’t keep focused and vows the next millennium, if need be, will be different.

    No, Carl Nemo trading funds won’t stop us from starving. German business is in trouble because immigration practices don’t favor talent, and if al Qaida had succeeded at “those who heal you will kill you” it would have been worse, even faster.

    I tried to post Security Management ONLINE Bulletin Board (click on academia), earlier. I wonder what whet wrong 66.250.218.74/ubb/Forum39/HTML/000025.html Also remember Clifford D. May, in Capitol Hill Blue “Don’t give in to al Qaeda” which generated creative rebuttals http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/3316
    In Utah’s; Daily Herald, Don’t Give in to al Qaida generated hawk responses. http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/236896/

    Bush, Hilary and some of the rest of us are slow to get to a dentist no mater how badly we may need to. Sooner or later al Qaida is going to cheer, and the cheering will give them more recruits.

    The good news is that India dispite funerals, crowed trains etc. being attacked they haven’t given up their democracy. What do the people in India understand that many in the US don’t?

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  8. Electric Bill  September 6, 2007 at 9:32 am

    Let’s all have a glass of Bush Kool-Aid with Clifford May. Once again, he trumpets GOP talking points to support the failed Bush policy in Iraq and has done his best to tie al Qaeda to whatever small successes American troops are having. No one doubts the ability of US forces to take and hold ground in Iraq and make it easier for Iraqi forces to operate in that secure area, but we will eventually leave. And when we do leave, what then?
    As for al Qaeda, like Mays said, bin Laden and his troops are living in safety and comfort “somewhere in Pakistan,” we think. Al Qaeda should be treated as what they are, criminals, and dealt with by the FBI, Interpol, and other police forces. The recent arrests of al Qaeda operatives in Germany were conducted by German Police. Using the Army to fight terrorists is like using explosives to get rid of cockroaches. The idea that al Qaeda is waiting for Congress to “legislate America’s retreat” is insulting and ignorant. It shows how far Dick Cheeny’s hand is up Cliffird’s ass as he continually parrots the administration.

  9. Soldat  September 6, 2007 at 9:36 am

    One has to wonder why Doug Thompson allows articles from entities which actively seek to undermine the United States?

    It’s becoming hard to separate the signal from the noise – and make no mistake, the rhetoric coming from the NED is noise.

  10. allaturca  September 6, 2007 at 9:52 am

    Yes, yes we should be grateful. Not for the fact that America has not been attacked since 9/11, but for the fact that we have faithfully submitted to the propaganda of the Bush administration. Without submission we would be the cause of another attack. We are dealing with the most manipulative and powerful organization in the world. When Al Qaeda chants “death to America,” we may replace ‘America’ with deceitful, selfish, and unjust. If we remove the narrow-agendas from Washington and address the concerns of our fellow world citizens, we might hear the chants of “welcome.”

  11. Jellicoe  September 6, 2007 at 10:15 am

    So now we’re going to win the so-called War on Terror by fighting a war of attrition against AQI in Iraq? This is simply retarded. Doug, we’ve heard enough from this blowhard military-industrial-intelligence complex toady. He’s had his 15 minutes of fame on this blog. Give us a break.

  12. NothingRhymesWithOrange  September 6, 2007 at 10:39 am

    Wow, forget drinking the Rove/Cheney kool-aid. It appears someone has been taking it intravenously. A couple of minor points the writer has failed to acknowledge..

    - Al Qaeda in Iraq is a post-invasion entity, created mainly to subvert US efforts to restore a working government there, with the express intent of undermining US influence and raising anti-US sentiment in the region as long as the bloodshed lasts. Every minute we remain as occupiers, they are succeeding. They are not the same entity that is planning and organizing attacks in Europe on US interests or the US mainland. Claims otherwise have been easily debunked with readily established facts.

    - All the money and manpower being poured down the Iraq quagmire is less that can be devoted to Afghanistan, where a resurgent Taliban is severely undermining our efforts there, or to actually finding Bin Laden and his remaining top deputies, who, despite propaganda otherwise, are likely holed up in the border region of Pakistan and Afghanistan, as we speak, plotting more terror attacks as we spin our wheels in Iraq.

    - There is next to zero confidence in PM Maliki, who we propped up when the originally “democratically” elected PM was too Baathist for our taste. The military successes our forces seem to be achieving are completely meaningless without political progress, unless of course we are to remain as permanent occupiers.

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  13. Richard Kanegis  September 6, 2007 at 11:32 am

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    Mr. May you are unkowingly to yourself supporting al Qaeda, but so are all those who claim it’s all Israel’s and/or the US’s fault

    Thank You Allaturca, you are the first person beside myself whoclaims al Qada is the most muniputive and powerful organization in the world. There must be others.
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    It’s said we can all fight pollution.
    Can all in our own way make terror a little less likely?

    The passengers on one 9/11 plane didn’t complain, and lobby, for the crew and pilot to do a better job like we all do Bush, instead they tried to seize back the controls. Bin Laden’s immediate goal is to try to get the entire Muslim world to fight with the West. Why do the rest of us just demand that are leaders do more instead of ourselves. Each in our own way can do what we can to make a war between civilizations a little less likely, at least to the extent of being civil to a Muslim neighbor.

    Yes Bush is making things worse in Iraq, but he and Collin Powell helped make things better between India and Pakistan when they were slipping toward war, after a bin Laden inspired attack on the Indian Parliament. Bush apologized for Abu Ghraib abuse in front of the King of Jordan, and Republican leader Bill Frist was going to call for bipartisan prison reform during a grim speech about additional Abu Ghraib photos Congress privately viewed, but he was cut off the air by a news bulletin of al Qaeda posting an execution on the Internet.

    He was hard to explain why the war in Iraq had nothing to due with fighting terror after bin Laden, again on the Internet, demanded that Iraq’s not vote. Me and a friend were much inspired by watching Britain’s biggest peace protest on TV right before the start of the war in Iraq. Then a news bulletin of terror bombs in Turkey. When the protest went back on TV it wasn’t inspirational any more.

    A Muslim cleric in Spanish called bin Laden a heretic at the anniversary of the Madrid bombing, why wasn’t it translated and posted around the world. The Queen of Jordan temporally destroyed bin Laden’s image of being Little David against Goliath. But after al Qaeda agreed to leave Jordan alone, she quit. A Muslim legislator in Canada urged Muslims to be a vigilant against their kids paying around with extremism as they are them playing around with drugs. I’m sure there are other stories I don’t know about. But let’s not remain isolated. Let’s unite against the world of hate the bin Laden wing of al Qaeda is preparing for us.

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    War on Terror = War on Drugs? — MAYBE IT’S TIME TO PANIC

    Sometimes the War on Terror is ridiculed as similar to the War on Drugs. The usual phrases used, “So-called War on Terror” and “So-called War on Drugs.”

    A gung-ho prosecutor makes drugs scarce. Crack addicts have to commit more crimes to get enough money for the high prices. When a prosecutor goes after Mafia kingpins, his colleagues are upset that their lives are being put in danger as well. So everyone ends up, some reluctantly, playing around with fighting drugs, or concentrate on marijuana, like Cheney concentrates on Iran, rather than al Qaida.

    I must be different from all the other human beings around me, because to me this isn’t a casual philosophical discussion. The possibility that stopping al Qaida may actually be as hopeless as stopping drugs, fills me with fear dread and even panic, especially since as technology advances doomsday weapons and designer germs will, as time passes, at least slowly be easier to manufacture. Bin Laden sees the last 1000 years as a war between the Muslims and the West where the Muslims were unable to keep focused, and vows that the next 1000 years, if need be, will be different.

    President Bush keeps bragging that, due to him, we are currently fighting al Qaida in Iraq not in America. And I think, in a weird way, this is truth. Al Qaida currently wants to fight in Iraq, and so does Bush. But is putting off a domestic terror attack, that could get worse with time, really good news?

    The antiwar movement claims that Bush is unwittingly aiding al Qaida by giving them recruitment opportunities due to the Iraq war. This seems to be the case. Bush claims the antiwar movement is giving comfort to al Qaida, to me that is not totally false. Some are claiming its all Israel’s fault, and many more are destined to, if under the next President we are still fighting Muslims.

    During his trial as the alleged mastermind for 9/11, Moussaoui blamed his Jewish lawyer and urged America to join him in blaming the Jews. Daniel Pearl, who was later behead, was lured to Pakistan and tortured into “admitting” on Internet tape that the Jews were evil conspirators, responsible for the world’s woes.

    When al Qaida’s plans go as clockwork, like in Spain, people are awed and temporarily focus on the long-term fight. Our world is much more interdependent that before the last depression. Winter vegetables come from Argentina not storage. And the hate al Qaida stirred up between Hindus and Muslims in India, and Christians and Muslims in Africa, even in Denmark (due to the cartoon controversy) could make the depression worse, including a dollar collapse. Will Americans actually patience stand in long soup lines like they did during the first depression? Isn’t anyone else panicky about the possibility that we could be starving like many of our grandparents did during the first great depression? This time, roaches and rats might seem delicious as pets disappear, with starving people dreaming of becoming cannibals.

    Al Qaida picked doctors not explosive experts for the latest attack in Britain, giving four months warning with the phrase that “those who heal you will kill you.” If everything worked like clockwork for them, it would have been a bloodbath, and the US would have drastically limited skilled immigrants from entering the country. The World Trade Center was supposedly the financial capital of the US, but al Qaeda picked the wrong target for economic disruption. But what about the future? Bush is spending like crazy, tourist dollars are being chased away by airport security, as foreign talent almost was, while the administration is going though the motions so as not to be a personal target for an al Qaida suicide-bomber. Just like most prosecutors do in the drug war. Most don’t like to take personal risks. I have an uneasy feeling that others (besides the President) think it’s personally best to stay vague or concentrate on Hezbolah, Hamas or Iran instead of al Qaida. Even the media thinks it’s wiser and more prudent to make movies about Mormon terrorists than al Qaeda terrorists.

    At the start of the war I and a friend were watching, on TV, the largest peace demonstration in England, in awe of the huge crowd and intricate puppets and floats. Suddenly it was cut off the air by a bulletin on terror bombs in Turkey. My friend’s gut comment was, “Why don’t they protest that?” Claiming that the war in Iraq had nothing to due with fighting terror became difficult to explain after bin Laden went on the Internet demanding that Iraqis not vote. George President Bush apologized for Abu Ghraib abuse in front of the King of Jordan. Then Bill Frist who was the Republican Leader was planning to call for bipartisan detention reform. Unfortunately he waited to make the announcement, during a grim speech on the additional Abu Ghraib photos Congress privately viewed, and was cut off the air by a news bulletin of al Qaida posting Nick Berg being beheaded

    Today some Arab-Americans, who appreciate the US, try to send aid to Hezbollah or Hamas are equally called aiding terrorists. Barack Obama seems to be the only critic of al Qaeda, who has qualms about insulting Muslims in general. During World War II, a lot of America Nazi types like Charles Lindbergh, hated Tojo of Japan while still loving Hitler, A secret about World War II, is that the lies about the small isolated Japanese-American community, was war propaganda not a mistake. German and Italian Nazis Americans (who weren’t successfully wooed by anti-Japanese hysteria) feared their children being put in Interment camp if they dared do such things as slash tires, during a severe rubber shortage. I believe instead of financial retribution all camp members including children should be given salaries for time severed and back Veteran’s benefits. My theory is the Japanese-Americans served in Interment camps the way draftees served in Europe and the Pacific theater. Back then images were a critical part of the war effort

    Perception is important. Obama, due to prejudice, would have an easier time changing the image of the US as a big bully than someone like Edwards or Hilary being a woman might do.

    A bin Laden inspired attack (2001) on the Indian Parliament was plunging nuclear-armed India and Pakistan toward war, which then Secretary of State Colin Powell helped mediate. Now that India and Pakistan seem heading toward permanent peace, al Qaida is picking emotional targets like funeral and religious processions.

    I’d like to see mass panic like in a movie about an asteroid hitting the earth. Some will say panic is ineffectual, but panic makes far more sense than the antiwar movement blaming the President and the President blaming the antiwar movement

    Even if this is 50% exaggeration, or even 90% exaggeration, there is good reason for panic, and a panic response was sometimes necessary for our ancestor’s survival.

    PS before bin Laden, Elijah Mohammad, who was later called the founder of the Black Muslims, tried to change the world around in a less violent way, with compacted Islam, and at first he was very successful, at getting Black Americans to join, and the Black Muslims managed to get many White Americans to side with Israel, rather than the Palestinians. Others also make changes as they claim to honor Prophet Mohammad’s traditions. Early Muslims never even used woman and children as lookouts and spies, much less combatants, there were no Joan of Arcs in the Muslim world. And Prophet Mohammad would be shocked about someone getting drunk before a battle assignment, like the 9/11 hijackers did. And as far as the newly invigorated Taliban taxing rather than outlawing drugs, he wouldn’t have approved of it any more than if the new Taliban was taxing brothels, something that a win at an cost philosophy plus anything near like 1000 years of future warfare will surely bring. So I have trouble understanding why Elijah is considered a heretic. He never recruited real Muslims only non-believers. He never twisted Islam in any way to insult Mohammed only to make it more appealing to Blacks. He never recuited true Muslims who he respected. One might think tradition Muslims would appreciate the West being turned on the watered down distorted Islam rather than not knowing any Islam at all. The changes bin Laden is making in the traditional Muslim faith, in favor of victory at all costs, he want to make for all Muslims not just for former nonbelievers.

    The west sponsored religious fanaticism, by sabotaging the secular hope of Communism or working class solidarity, and helped sponsor more violent effort to change world politics by helping sabotage the Back Muslims. This can to a certain extent be undone, instead of a future of “I’m not going to take it any more” Columbines and Virginia Techs and bin Ladens as science makes (as the years and decades go by) nuclear weapons ever simpler to produce and designer germs ever more powerful.

    I think panicking over all this is really necessary for out survival.

    I know most would doubt it, but I believe there is computer hacking to prevent an intelligent response to al Qaida, so certain agendas can get millage over saying, “See I told you so”.

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  14. Steve Horn  September 6, 2007 at 12:06 pm

    “we should be grateful: al Qaeda has not successfully attacked Americans a second time on American soil.” – bladerdash – they haven’t had to attack America – our Neocon administration has destroyed the fabric of America for them.

    The patriot act
    unauthorized wire taps
    two illegal wars
    “home land security”
    lack of governmental transparency
    fostering fear and paranoia within our nation
    lack of accountability
    illegally detaining “enemy combatants”
    provoking Iran to a nuclear showdown

    What the f*ck to we have to be “thankful” for?

    Peace

    Steve

  15. Richard Kanegis  September 6, 2007 at 12:37 pm

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    I have a scary little ps to my comment two comments back.

    Many years a go there was a back to nature group in Philadelphia who thought they could have prove that civilization was totally unnecessary perversion of nature. After getting arrested for not paying sanitation violation fines, shouting pervert at the arresting officers. and after getting beat up sometimes changes of assaulting an officer was added.

    They looked like pin cushions as other prisoners mumbled support.

    Today, they just want to be left alone, except for trying to get their brothers and sisters arrested over 20 years ago out of jail.

    As people came to there defense more people got hurt and realized that at least part of civilization was evil.

    I learned that the system of justice in this country is not trial by jury but a plea bargain dance, mostly between two lawyers, with the accused only slightly participating. The higher paid one usually getting better results.

    Mumia Abu Jamal came to their defense and is now falsely on death row, convicted of having murdered whistle blowing Police Officer Danny Faulkner.

    The little fire of hate started 40 years ago has not yet been put out.

    The fire the professionals the Al Qeda could continue on long after al Qaeda as we know it is no more.

    The hope is in India and Pakistan they know they are giving in to terror by giving in to hate

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    Quakers, MOVE, the Liberty Bell & War — Time Changes Perception

    Newark, N. J. had a huge remembrance of the Newark riots, Philadelphia avoids this kind of history.

    During Vietnam, I don’t remember anything like, pro-impeachment advocates gladly watching Independence Mall Park Police make the “Gathering of Eagles” (angry Bush-supporters), behave. Cindy Sheehan, up from DC, then spoke, mentioning appreciating a Capital Hill police officer asking her autograph before apologetically complying with arresting her.

    Nearby July 4 (three-weeks-earlier), peace-placards were waved from the Visitor’s Center balcony, as pro-Mumia picketers chatted amiably with 911-Truth-People below. Free-Tibet-ers once ridiculed Mumia, instead out-shouted, out-pushed toward the Liberty Bell, antiwar-isolationist Ron Paul for President supporters, who added last-word-tidbits to Free-Tibet chants.

    A generation earlier, I defied a ban on leafleting on Independence Mall, by handed out the Bill of Rights, as police glared. Three-centuries ago, whether hateing or supporting England, most hoped for an end to an awful war.

    Quakers, without a pro-revolution candle in their window, watched their houses set on fire. Earlier, Quakers felt unwelcome in England after shouting in churches: “the priests robes” (church-hierarchy) was Satanic. Then refused to rise when the Judge entered or swear on-the-Bible claiming God said, don’t swear. Today, it’s quaint for Quakers to stand until a judge enters, affirming-not-swearing to the truth.

    Third-Worlder’s modernize, ignoring pollution. – MOVE suddenly looks good. John Africa’s hate for civilization, signifying living simply, supporting the ecology of the planet. Originally, diaperless children! Curse-words abounding! Shoutingly, dragged to the paddy-wagon. Maneuvered toward looking-up for camera mug-shots. Prisoners, mumbled support, infuriating guards. Other reporters reported Move beat up in court for no reason at all. Leaving me and other scratching our heads. Mumia started with curse words uttered and ended with bits of skin blood and deadlocks on a court empty courtroom floor

    In one newspaper, neighbors watched police, come to Mumia’s mother’s apartment, in a crowded public-housing high-rise, badgering her, over his reporting.

    I volunteered at Community underground Newspaper where we became overjoyed that (then) calm, soft-voiced Mumia joined our staff. Suddenly, curse-words filled his writings. Then murder charges. Mumia screamed a worldwide conspiracy, by civilization to sacrifice a cop as an excuse to silence him.

    NAACP protested his brother Billy’s 100,000 bail for going up a one-way street

    Mumia’s lawyer Tony Jackson, refused to go along with Mumia’s claim that Officer Faulkner was assassinated by another police officer. Arnold Beverly (2001) claimed responsibly for the second final shot killing Officer Faulkner. This fit Mumia’s memories. Mumia stopped conspiracy-talk, becoming soft-spoken again, but again — besides me, who noticed?

    Cuba and the USSR stopped defending Mumia. If confusing international support was Beverly’s intent, FBI files contain hidden data. Beverly claimed Faulkner was a snitch.

    John Africa (who inspired Move) hated civilization, and when traffic was slowed by cursing protesters, those delayed often concluded that Mumia did it. Today, Move defends themselves with the Internet, neighbors saying they’re pleasant to be around.

    Mumia’s brother Billy (2001 affidavit) was surprised to have been stopped by a policeman he didn’t know since he thought he knew them all. Billy had good friends in the police department and refused to blame his brother or rat on his police friends (torn loyalties creating a judging act).

    Officer Faulkner falsely dispatched he was stopping a Volkswagen going the wrong way on Locust Street, but it faced the right way after the altercation. Did some prearranged plan go wrong? Was Danny trying to prove he was one of the boys despite being a snitch?

    Mumia’s writings gives us a black eye? Though in Russia or Arab kingdoms, many crave the right to shout impeachment or communicate the way Mumia does.
    REFERENCES
    http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~kastor/newjersey/nj-crime-4

    Scrawl down to the last 3 letters for important local insight
    http:www.citypaper.net/articles/2007/08/23/letters-to-the-editor

    Background-article-by-Professor-Linn-Washington
    QUAKER SEEKING REEL JUSTICE FROM JUDGE
    By LINN WASHINGTON, Daily News Staff Writer
    Source: Philadelphia Daily News (PA); 735 words
    Published: 1984-03-05 Section: LOCAL | Page 4 | Edition: 4STAR

    http://philly.com/philly/archives/5805296.html

    NY-Times–reference

    Short`Enough`To`Include`Footnotes Kanegis was arrested in police-sweep following the 1978 confrontation between the City of Philadelphia & Move. Sentenced to 6 to 23 months for interfering in an arrest . But released after new pictures came out showing his innocence. Mumia’s First Lawyer Tony Jackson was Mumia’s first lawyer. Kanegis`calls`himself`a`philosopher`rather`than`a`writer.

    Richard.Kanegis@ verizon.netRichardKanegis@aol.com, 215-563-2866

  16. Richard Kanegis  September 6, 2007 at 12:50 pm

    Richard Kanegis 215-563-2866RichardKanegi@aol.com
    22s22ndStApt305PhilaPA19103
    MyName&EmailAreAlreadyPublic ButICanHideFromAutomaticEmail

    Can anyone help me get my comments in a hard newspaper or on big sites like Huffington Report and the AlterNet. I keep trying but can’t get through.

    The NY Times should be assamed of themselves for being more worried about symultaniaos submission then whether we will survive the future.

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