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		<title>By: Bogofree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bogofree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He needs a rich and powerful consort to make life easier. My wife&#039;s pension is greater than mine so it does work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He needs a rich and powerful consort to make life easier. My wife&#8217;s pension is greater than mine so it does work.</p>
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		<title>By: Bogofree</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/32958/comment-page-1#comment-73492</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogofree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You left out the real whack jobs which happen to be the right to life crowd which represent - to me - the most organized internal threat.  The rest is just superfluous to the question at hand - radicalism in American mosques. If you wish to carry that debate over into other realms of religious disorder maybe someone will post an article. 

Your assessment seems like a bit of a stretch since I can&#039;t recall any of them being linked to international terrorists organizations. Well...maybe Nixon with that Republican Party thing. 

Seems to be enough evidence on where funding is coming for some of the more radical adventurers in the United States. Think I also provided enough sources to show a connection that some mosques happen to actually be questionable.  That is really the whole issue and not a avoidance diversion off topic. Again, if someone wishes to post an article of the excesses of the right to life crowd I will gladly join in. I would also wonder where some of the funding comes from regarding some of the more domestic Christian cults.  Another topic. 

GHL  Here are the FACTS on the number of mosques. Glad to provide you with the information. 

http://www.aina.org/news/20080213165617.htm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/historyusa4.htm
http://www.allied-media.com/AM/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You left out the real whack jobs which happen to be the right to life crowd which represent &#8211; to me &#8211; the most organized internal threat.  The rest is just superfluous to the question at hand &#8211; radicalism in American mosques. If you wish to carry that debate over into other realms of religious disorder maybe someone will post an article. </p>
<p>Your assessment seems like a bit of a stretch since I can&#8217;t recall any of them being linked to international terrorists organizations. Well&#8230;maybe Nixon with that Republican Party thing. </p>
<p>Seems to be enough evidence on where funding is coming for some of the more radical adventurers in the United States. Think I also provided enough sources to show a connection that some mosques happen to actually be questionable.  That is really the whole issue and not a avoidance diversion off topic. Again, if someone wishes to post an article of the excesses of the right to life crowd I will gladly join in. I would also wonder where some of the funding comes from regarding some of the more domestic Christian cults.  Another topic. </p>
<p>GHL  Here are the FACTS on the number of mosques. Glad to provide you with the information. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.aina.org/news/20080213165617.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aina.org/news/20080213165617.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.islamfortoday.com/historyusa4.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.islamfortoday.com/historyusa4.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.allied-media.com/AM/" rel="nofollow">http://www.allied-media.com/AM/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Guardhouse lawyer</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/32958/comment-page-1#comment-73484</link>
		<dc:creator>Guardhouse lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some American criminals and their religious backgrounds:

Timothy Mc Veigh   Catholic
Richard Nixon   Quaker
Ted Kaczynski  Catholic
Ted Bundy  Mormon
Chalres Manson  Scientologist
Gary Gilmore  Mormon
Jeffrey Dahmer  Church of Christ (Stone-Campbell sect)
John Wayne Gacy Jr.  Catholic
John Wilkes Booth Episcopal
Charles Keating Jr.  Catholic
Billy Sol Estes  Disciples of Christ
James Earl Ray  Catholic
Al Capone  Catholic
Leopold and Loeb Jewish

The conclusion:  religion in general is a training ground for criminals.  This is an extension of your logic, BOGO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some American criminals and their religious backgrounds:</p>
<p>Timothy Mc Veigh   Catholic<br />
Richard Nixon   Quaker<br />
Ted Kaczynski  Catholic<br />
Ted Bundy  Mormon<br />
Chalres Manson  Scientologist<br />
Gary Gilmore  Mormon<br />
Jeffrey Dahmer  Church of Christ (Stone-Campbell sect)<br />
John Wayne Gacy Jr.  Catholic<br />
John Wilkes Booth Episcopal<br />
Charles Keating Jr.  Catholic<br />
Billy Sol Estes  Disciples of Christ<br />
James Earl Ray  Catholic<br />
Al Capone  Catholic<br />
Leopold and Loeb Jewish</p>
<p>The conclusion:  religion in general is a training ground for criminals.  This is an extension of your logic, BOGO.</p>
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		<title>By: griff</title>
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		<dc:creator>griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t ever ask Doug a simple question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t ever ask Doug a simple question.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 12:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, it&#039;s not good. It&#039;s a pain in the ass but it is one that can, and will, be cured.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s not good. It&#8217;s a pain in the ass but it is one that can, and will, be cured.</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
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		<dc:creator>woody188</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 01:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The plot thickens: &lt;a href=&quot;http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2010/08/cfrglobalistzionist-hegelian-dialectic.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The CFR/Globalist/Zionist Hegelian Dialect New York Mosque Conspiracy&lt;/a&gt;  or things that make you go hmm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plot thickens: <a href="http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2010/08/cfrglobalistzionist-hegelian-dialectic.html" rel="nofollow">The CFR/Globalist/Zionist Hegelian Dialect New York Mosque Conspiracy</a>  or things that make you go hmm.</p>
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		<title>By: minimalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>minimalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First amendment rights under assault at every turn.]]></description>
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		<title>By: dvl666</title>
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		<dc:creator>dvl666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 3 people most opposed to the &#039;mosque&#039; Newt, Sarah and bin Laden.
Calling this a mosque is like calling a hospital with a  chapel a church.
As our troops shedding blood in Afghanistan try to win over the &quot;hearts and minds&quot; of the locals the idiotic right wing neo-cons who supposedly Support the Troops are the poster children for  Al quida and the Taliban.
Imagine a US trooper trying to explain  our democracy to a local, whose iman has already told him that in &quot;Tolerant, democratic America the infidels allow two strip clubs near ground zero but not a place for Moslems to worship.
As they would say about Newt  and Sarah when I was growing up, &quot; they could f*** up a one car funeral.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 3 people most opposed to the &#8216;mosque&#8217; Newt, Sarah and bin Laden.<br />
Calling this a mosque is like calling a hospital with a  chapel a church.<br />
As our troops shedding blood in Afghanistan try to win over the &#8220;hearts and minds&#8221; of the locals the idiotic right wing neo-cons who supposedly Support the Troops are the poster children for  Al quida and the Taliban.<br />
Imagine a US trooper trying to explain  our democracy to a local, whose iman has already told him that in &#8220;Tolerant, democratic America the infidels allow two strip clubs near ground zero but not a place for Moslems to worship.<br />
As they would say about Newt  and Sarah when I was growing up, &#8221; they could f*** up a one car funeral.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bogofree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bogofree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GHL

Have you figured out the number of mosques yet?  On your source - Wiki - there is also a section of domestic terrorists activities. I see that in the case I mentioned - one of many available - it appears to be the FBI dropping the ball.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States

Here is a list of attacks in the U.S.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm

How about The Lackawanna Six?

How about Zazi?  Maybe or maybe not?

Of course the Ft. Hood shooter.

http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB125778227582138829.html

Now a simple search will show a number of  sites that proclaim a connection to terrorists and mosques.  I have provided some earlier but to do so on my part is a waste of time since none will meet your standards.

Now are all mosques a center of radical activity?  Of course not.  Are some?  IMO there is enough evidence to support that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GHL</p>
<p>Have you figured out the number of mosques yet?  On your source &#8211; Wiki &#8211; there is also a section of domestic terrorists activities. I see that in the case I mentioned &#8211; one of many available &#8211; it appears to be the FBI dropping the ball.  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States</a></p>
<p>Here is a list of attacks in the U.S.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm</a></p>
<p>How about The Lackawanna Six?</p>
<p>How about Zazi?  Maybe or maybe not?</p>
<p>Of course the Ft. Hood shooter.</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB125778227582138829.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB125778227582138829.html</a></p>
<p>Now a simple search will show a number of  sites that proclaim a connection to terrorists and mosques.  I have provided some earlier but to do so on my part is a waste of time since none will meet your standards.</p>
<p>Now are all mosques a center of radical activity?  Of course not.  Are some?  IMO there is enough evidence to support that.</p>
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		<title>By: Guardhouse lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guardhouse lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bogo:

Reference the Brooklyn News article:

The first paragraph:

&quot;Muslims living and worshipping in Downtown are refuting an FBI report that Adnan Shukrijumah, a top al-Qaeda terrorist leader, sprouted from Atlantic Avenue’s close knit Islamic community and worshipped in a neighborhood mosque where his father was an imam.&quot;

The third paragraph:

&quot;Yet the FBI isn’t backing away from its claims that the Saudi Arabian-born Shukrijumah, 35, spent a large portion of his adolescence in Downtown Brooklyn.&quot;

Let&#039;s see.  The writer of the article claims that the FBI report has this Shukrijumah &quot;sprouting&quot; from the close-knit Islamic community and &quot;worshiping&quot; at the mosque where his father was an imam.

But the third paragraph reveals ONLY that Shukrijumah is accused by the FBI of having  &quot;spent a large part of his adolescence in Downtown Brooklyn.&quot;

LOTS of people spent their adolescence in Downtown Brooklyn and went on to do bad things, I am thinking.  But how does the writer of the article get from that to sprouting and worshiping?

And there is a lot of discrepancy about dates.

Shukrijumah was born in 1975.  According to the wiki article on him, he left the United States in 2001 from Florida, where he had been living and going to college; that would be at the age of 26.  And according to the NY Daily News article referenced in the Brooklyn News report, 

&quot;Adnan Shukrijumah, whose dad was a Brooklyn imam and who was raised for 15 years in a Miami suburb, takes his orders directly from Bin Laden.&quot;

So, he was 26 when he left the US and was raised for 15 years in Florida.  How does that leave him time to have spent a &quot;large amount&quot; of his adolescence at the mosque in New York?

Could it possibly be that most of the people who were asked about him in Brooklyn are telling the truth?  From the time line it looks as though he left the NY area at about age 11.  Could it be that the FBI report is crap?  Could it be that the Brooklyn News article is crap?

But the real point here is that there is no evidence that these US mosques are training grounds for would-be terrorists.  Certainly this person was around the mosques growing up, but that does not mean that the mosque had one damned thing to do with making him what he is today.  Certainly it&#039;s likely that people associated with the mosques were at least in part responsible for his taking the path he did, but that is not the same as saying that the mosques are training grounds.

That is sort of the equivalent of saying that the Catholic Church in Ireland was the training ground for such people as Gerry Adams, the leader of the Provos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bogo:</p>
<p>Reference the Brooklyn News article:</p>
<p>The first paragraph:</p>
<p>&#8220;Muslims living and worshipping in Downtown are refuting an FBI report that Adnan Shukrijumah, a top al-Qaeda terrorist leader, sprouted from Atlantic Avenue’s close knit Islamic community and worshipped in a neighborhood mosque where his father was an imam.&#8221;</p>
<p>The third paragraph:</p>
<p>&#8220;Yet the FBI isn’t backing away from its claims that the Saudi Arabian-born Shukrijumah, 35, spent a large portion of his adolescence in Downtown Brooklyn.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see.  The writer of the article claims that the FBI report has this Shukrijumah &#8220;sprouting&#8221; from the close-knit Islamic community and &#8220;worshiping&#8221; at the mosque where his father was an imam.</p>
<p>But the third paragraph reveals ONLY that Shukrijumah is accused by the FBI of having  &#8220;spent a large part of his adolescence in Downtown Brooklyn.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOTS of people spent their adolescence in Downtown Brooklyn and went on to do bad things, I am thinking.  But how does the writer of the article get from that to sprouting and worshiping?</p>
<p>And there is a lot of discrepancy about dates.</p>
<p>Shukrijumah was born in 1975.  According to the wiki article on him, he left the United States in 2001 from Florida, where he had been living and going to college; that would be at the age of 26.  And according to the NY Daily News article referenced in the Brooklyn News report, </p>
<p>&#8220;Adnan Shukrijumah, whose dad was a Brooklyn imam and who was raised for 15 years in a Miami suburb, takes his orders directly from Bin Laden.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, he was 26 when he left the US and was raised for 15 years in Florida.  How does that leave him time to have spent a &#8220;large amount&#8221; of his adolescence at the mosque in New York?</p>
<p>Could it possibly be that most of the people who were asked about him in Brooklyn are telling the truth?  From the time line it looks as though he left the NY area at about age 11.  Could it be that the FBI report is crap?  Could it be that the Brooklyn News article is crap?</p>
<p>But the real point here is that there is no evidence that these US mosques are training grounds for would-be terrorists.  Certainly this person was around the mosques growing up, but that does not mean that the mosque had one damned thing to do with making him what he is today.  Certainly it&#8217;s likely that people associated with the mosques were at least in part responsible for his taking the path he did, but that is not the same as saying that the mosques are training grounds.</p>
<p>That is sort of the equivalent of saying that the Catholic Church in Ireland was the training ground for such people as Gerry Adams, the leader of the Provos.</p>
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