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Deja-vu all over again?

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August 2, 2007

President George W. Bush Wednesday barred his political guru Karl Rove from testifying to Congress in a furious political row sparked by a mass firing of federal prosecutors.

Bush invoked “executive privilege” to prevent Karl Rove and Scott Jennings, deputy White House political director, from providing documents and testimony under oath before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday.

The move represented another step closer to a court showdown between Congress and the White House over the row, sparked by the sacking of nine federal prosecutors. Bush critics say the sackings were politically motivated.

“The president has decided to assert executive privilege as to both the requested documents and testimony,” White House counsel Fred Fielding wrote in a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy.

Rove, Bush’s top political advisor, and Jennings were subpoenaed last week, one day after the House Judiciary Committee issued contempt of Congress citations against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and ex-legal counsel Harriet Miers, after they ignored subpoenas arising from the prosecutors row.

Fielding also claimed that, as a close presidential advisor, Rove was immune from testifying to a Congressional committee.

A similar claim was not made for Jennings, so he is expected to show up as planned at Thursday’s hearing, though he is likely to refuse to answer questions he believes are covered by Bush’s order.

Leahy reacted furiously to Bush’s move.

“Why is the White House working so hard to hide Karl Rove’s involvement,” he asked in a statement.

“It is a shame that this White House continues to act as if it is above the law, that is wrong.”

Presidents invoke the doctrine of executive privilege to deprive other branches of the US government from documents or testimony they believe is vital to the confidential running of their office.

Democrats have demanded a perjury probe against Attorney General Alberto Gonzales who is at the center of the fired prosecutors saga, and has denied wrongdoing.

The White House accuses Democrats of using the affair to fire up their political base.

Gonzales is also in hot water after Robert Mueller, director of the FBI last week appeared to contradict his testimony to a Senate committee.

At the center of the latest storm is a March 2004 meeting between White House aides and lawmakers and a visit to the bedside of the then-seriously ill attorney general John Ashcroft, while Gonzales was a White House official.

Gonzales maintains the meeting addressed “intelligence activities” that were under legal dispute and has denied it focused on warrantless wiretaps.

But Mueller appeared to contradict that, in testimony before the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee on Thursday, saying it was a discussion on an NSA (National Security Agency) program “that has been much discussed,” referring to the wiretap operations.

Leahy on Wednesday accused Gonzales of sending him a “legalistic” letter to explain the discrepancies, and gave him until the end of the week to do better.

30 Responses to Deja-vu all over again?

  1. SEAL

    August 3, 2007 at 3:13 am

    In the first place, the claim of executive privilidge is pure bullshit. Anyone who reads the constitution must understand that Lincoln’s definition was correct: “of, by, and for the people.” Therefore, there is nothing in government than can be legitimately witheld from the perople who are, in fact, the government. This idea that government is somehow a separate enity is a misnomer.

    The only legitimate claim for witholding information is national security and that must be proven. Otherwise, the peole have a right to know what our elected officers do and how they arrived at those decisions. People need to read the constitution.

  2. bryan mcclellan

    August 3, 2007 at 11:46 am

    That was excellent JACO. It’s forest of evidence hidden by the trees and the legislative branch has turned a blind eye to the smoke on the horizon.Even on a casual stroll one cannot ignore the fact that the woods are on fire.Now where is that pesky pilots license ?

  3. justanothercoverup

    August 3, 2007 at 7:20 am

    Alberto Gonzales – Protecting Bush from Impeachment!

    Slowly but surely, America is waking-up to the fact that President Bush and Dick Cheney are supporting Alberto Gonzales for only one reason – if Gonzo is impeached, resigns, or is otherwise removed from office, the impeachment of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney is almost a certainty. Time Magazine, in a recent article, stunned me with their honesty and assessment of the current situation – and all of us should take heed and concentrate on getting Gonzales out of office by any and all legal means at our disposal! Get rid of Gonzales, and we have a chance at saving our Democratic Republic; allow him to stay and say good-bye to Democracy and freedom.

    Time Magazine listed three reasons why Bush and Cheney are protecting Gonzales – and none of them have to do with his legal expertise, or ability to run the Justice Department in a non-partisan manner. In short, it would appear that Gonzales is aiding and abetting high treason and the undoing of our system of checks and balances:

    Why Bush Won’t Ax Gonzales

    (Excepts from the article)

    1. Gonzales is all that stands between the White House and special prosecutors. As dicey as things are for Bush right now, his advisers know that they could get much worse. In private, Democrats say that if Gonzales did step down, his replacement would be required to agree to an independent investigation of Gonzales’ tenure in order to be confirmed by the Senate.

    Without Gonzales at the helm, the Justice Department would be more likely to approve requests for investigations into White House activities on everything from misuse of prewar Iraq intelligence to allegations of political interference in tobacco litigation. And the DOJ could be less likely to block contempt charges against former White House aides who have refused to testify before Congress. “Bush needs someone at Justice who’s going to watch the White House’s back,” says a Senate Democratic Judiciary Committee staffer. If Gonzales steps down, Bush would lose his most reliable shield.

    Gonzales remains the last line of defense protecting Bush, Rove and other top White House officials from the personal consequences of litigation. A high-profile probe would hobble the White House politically, and could mean sky-high legal bills and turmoil for Bush’s closest aides.

    Keeping Gonzales isn’t cost-free. But for now, Bush seems to have decided that the importance of running out the clock on investigations by keeping his loyal Attorney General in place is worth any amount of criticism. MORE

    This is a must-read article for anyone that is attempting to understand why the Democrats are essentially ineffectual and helpless in conducting oversight of this administration; Congress’s approval ratings are almost as low as that of Bush and Cheney – but in all honesty, as long as Bush controls the Justice Department through a loyal but corrupt Attorney General, the Democrat’s hands are tied – illegally and unethically, by a Presidency that is closing-in on becoming a full-fledged dictatorship.

    It is this author’s opinion that the Bush administration’s key players, including President Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney – could all be prosecuted under the RICO statute(s), which was enacted to prosecute and help eliminate organized crime.

    9-110.100 Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO)

    On October 15, 1970, the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970 became law. Title IX of the Act is the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Statute (18 U.S.C. §§ 1961-1968), commonly referred to as the “RICO” statute. The purpose of the RICO statute is “the elimination of the infiltration of organized crime and racketeering into legitimate organizations operating in interstate commerce.” S.Rep. No. 617, 91st Cong., 1st Sess. 76 (1969). However, the statute is sufficiently broad to encompass illegal activities relating to any enterprise affecting interstate or foreign commerce.

    Section 1961(10) of Title 18 provides that the Attorney General may designate any department or agency to conduct investigations authorized by the RICO statute and such department or agency may use the investigative provisions of the statute or the investigative power of such department or agency otherwise conferred by law. Absent a specific designation by the Attorney General, jurisdiction to conduct investigations for violations of 18 U.S.C. § 1962 lies with the agency having jurisdiction over the violations constituting the pattern of racketeering activity listed in 18 U.S.C. § 1961.

    9-110.200 RICO Guidelines Preface

    The decision to institute a federal criminal prosecution involves balancing society’s interest in effective law enforcement against the consequences for the accused. Utilization of the RICO statute, more so than most other federal criminal sanctions, requires particularly careful and reasoned application, because, among other things, RICO incorporates certain state crimes. One purpose of these guidelines is to reemphasize the principle that the primary responsibility for enforcing state laws rests with the state concerned. Despite the broad statutory language of RICO and the legislative intent that the statute “. . . shall be liberally construed to effectuate its remedial purpose,” it is the policy of the Criminal Division that RICO be selectively and uniformly used. It is the purpose of these guidelines to make it clear that not every proposed RICO charge that meets the technical requirements of a RICO violation will be approved. Further, the Criminal Division will not approve “imaginative” prosecutions under RICO which are far afield from the congressional purpose of the RICO statute. A RICO count which merely duplicates the elements of proof of traditional Hobbs Act, Travel Act, mail fraud, wire fraud, gambling or controlled substances cases, will not be approved unless it serves some special RICO purpose. Only in exceptional circumstances will approval be granted when RICO is sought merely to serve some evidentiary purpose.

    These guidelines provide only internal Department of Justice guidance. They are not intended to, do not, and may not be relied upon to create any rights, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by any party in any matter civil or criminal. Nor are any limitations hereby placed on otherwise lawful litigative prerogatives of the Department of Justice. MORE

    For a comprehensive understanding of the crimes the Bush administration has perpetrated against the citizens of the United States – and the havoc this tyrant and his cabal of traitors have caused at home and abroad, read the topics for impeachment and an excellent synopsis of the many crimes that Bush and his co-conspirator’s are guilty of – some of which equate to treason and subversion:

    Summary of Known Impeachable Offenses

    Click on the link for more details.

    1. Bush lied to Congress and the American public about the reasons for invading Iraq.

    2. Bush conducted illegal wiretaps of American citizens.

    3. Bush violated the Geneva Convention by torturing prisoners of war.

    4. Bush violated International Law by invading a sovereign country for illegal purposes.

    5. Bush held prisoners without formal charges and without legal representation. [CNN]
    See also our page on “Grounds for Impeachment”.

    Other Illegal Actions

    These lesser crimes should not be ignored but may distract us from the more serious crimes above.

    1. Bush illegally used government funds for domestic political propaganda related to the administration’s Medicare package, paying commentator Armstrong Williams, etc. [NYT, requires free registration] TruthOut: [1] [2] [3]

    2. Bush used uniformed military personnel for Republican party political purposes. [TalkingPointsMemo] [Coloradoan] MUCH MORE!

    Keep in mind that these are the “known” impeachable offenses – which upon investigation and implementation of the RICO Act would likely grow exponentially. This is without doubt actionable under RICO – as these statute(s) were enacted to allow prosecutors wide latitude and investigative tools in investigating and prosecuting organized crime; what could be more fitting than applying the law to the Bush Crime Family? Do not forget that the Bush family was involved in an attempted Coup against our country in 1933, so today’s contempt of our Constitution and Rule of Law dates back decades for the Bush family – so this won’t be the first “Bush” that was guilty of treason against the United State of America! LINK

    Call and write your legislators while they are on vacation and demand that Gonzales be impeached and/or prosecuted – and if enough Americans push Congress to rid the Justice Department of one of Bush’s primary “Consigliere’s”, it’s possible that we may still be able to save America from tyranny and fascism.

    William Cormier

  4. JudyB

    August 2, 2007 at 11:27 am

    Oh yes, they may be a step closer to a court showdown between Congress and the White House over this latest “decision” of the “Decider” but, I doubt we will ever see it come to fruition…before the “Decider” desides to write a new mandate over-ruling the constitutional right to do so. Remember,to Bush, the Constitution is after all “just another a goddam piece of paper”

  5. long_rider

    August 2, 2007 at 11:36 am

    Each and every person who has testified before congress and the senate, have stated that the prez was not present during any of the meetings.

    So, if he was not present, where does ‘executive privilege’ enter the picture?

    If Rove talks to a hooker at a coffee shop their conversation falls under ‘executive privilege’?

    Why are our representatives so reluctant to take action against the axis of evil in the white house?

    Under the current laws of the chimp, if we did these things we would be in Getmo.

    IMPEACH the axis of evil.

  6. jarrodlombardo

    August 2, 2007 at 11:37 am

    We NEED some “Inherent Contempt” charges against these perjurers.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress#Inherent_contempt
    –Jarrod

  7. bony

    August 2, 2007 at 11:39 am

    Is all lost? WHo will stop this maddness?
    As Americans we need to renounce this administration.

    If the President’s satffer can avoid say no to congress then we as American’s now have to right to say “No” to the government.

    Is there hope for a Ron Paul run for the White House? Someone please help me with the line of thought.

  8. ron kay

    August 2, 2007 at 11:51 am

    …any republican member of the house or senate who fails to take a firm stand against the conduct of this president and his minions, is guilty of the same obfuscation and subtrefuge as George and the Gang of Fascists.

    The startling thing is, that time after time this administration flouts the law by flipping off the legislature, the American public, and the constitution knowing, full well, that we’ll all just lie down and take it……and that the storm will quickly be diverted from attention by a different episode of some sort. George and Karl thrive on this nations short memory.

    We really should be looking at the monied folks who bought and paid for this president’s throne…..they are the ones calling the shots….and they surely backed him knowing he would do their bidding. Their profitable roi bidding. Those investors are the real criminals…..the administration figureheads are merely their puppets.

    ron

  9. acf

    August 2, 2007 at 2:30 pm

    At this point in time, his actions should no longer surprise anyone. This is what he does, regardless of Congressional action, or public disapproval. It is likely a result of his upbringing and attitude as a user of those he perceives to be beneath him. Call it his sense of entitlement. The only question remaining is what will be done about him.

  10. erika morgan

    August 2, 2007 at 2:41 pm

    I think all the corruption has gotten folks to a place where they have lost a realistic balance as to what is right, and who owns what; this is how it works in the rest of the world out here.

    If you work for some entity (put US government in here) they give you a pay check, all the products of your work belong to them. This means that all emails, notes, records of meetings, visitor lists, library requests, proposals about anything, findings, reports, diaries, experiences, etc. BELONG TO THE GOVERNMENT AND ARE THUS AVAILABLE TO ANY GOVERNMENT BODY WHO THINKS IT WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND USE THEM! It is under this principle of law that if you work for someone and receive a paten your employer gets the paten not you even if you payed for the paten.

    Sadly, because Karl Rove has so much information about the inner workings of the illegalities of this administration, I think his employer is now the GOP, is it not? This would mean the GOP would have to be up before congress to get at his knowledge. If he gets his pay from Shrub himself is the only way, what he has to say could come under Executive Privilege.

    PS. Just for the record, the Democrat investigations of the White House have nothing to do with stirring up the base and everything to do with trying to appease their constituents rage, over the glacial speed, with which they are rectifying the imbalance of power that is the current modus operands of our government. I don’t think DC appreciates how close we are to a work strike across the country, or a large march on Capitol Hill or some other political demonstration. I just hope we don’t have to go to people torching themselves on the Capitol Steps, as the martyrs had to do, to end the VietNam debacle.

  11. gene

    August 2, 2007 at 8:36 pm

    (ron) you are so right. Just follow the money trail and you will discover the “real” power behind all of this corruption.

  12. bryan mcclellan

    August 2, 2007 at 7:47 am

    If these actions by the smirk and his cabal do not out weigh a blue dress with jism stains on it,then I’m a jet pilot.INDICT,IMPEACH,EXECUTE……….

  13. LurkingFromTheLeft

    August 2, 2007 at 7:55 am

    I second the comments…

    …above me –

    …WTF is it going to take before the sheeple of this kingdom realize the village idiot has no clothes and is a dumbass as well –

    …I’m Lefty – fly me Bryan –

    LFTL

  14. gene

    August 2, 2007 at 8:55 am

    Guess what(bryan)?… YOUR A JET PILOT!!!! My sincere congradulations.

  15. bryan mcclellan

    August 2, 2007 at 8:00 am

    Good morning Lefty,I can pull you around the block to Genes house in my little red wagon,but thats about it..

  16. LurkingFromTheLeft

    August 2, 2007 at 8:08 am

    Oh…

    …you really ought to give thought to a new colour to paint that wagon –

    …RED? –

    …please go check and see if he’s had his mellow pill yet for today –

    …he’ll need it with the latest Kkkarl poop –

    LFTL

  17. Sandra Price

    August 2, 2007 at 8:01 am

    We are seeing the destruction of the GOP as they are running from exposure that will show the world of their corruption. We certainly have seen what we don’t want in our government. This is sad for me as I never voted for either Bush in hopes that eventually we could find a man of integrity in the GOP.

    I don’t mind if the GOP gets destroyed but I rather like the ideal of Capitalism cleaned up and returned to our economic base. After reading many of the comments here at CHB, I realize most consider capitalism the enemy of freedom. it must be a generational thing and socialism is the only way for any nation to act.

    I’m an old dog folks, and cannot learn that kind of trick.

  18. wjodon

    August 2, 2007 at 11:20 am

    The capitalists/corporatists/neocons who have seized the reins of our country have broken laws, run roughshod over the constitution, abused and killed too many people, and have otherwise gone too far. When America wakes up the backlash will be powerful, and we may well end up quite a bit more socialist than we were after the New Deal. And it will have been their doing. They will loose much more than they would have by restraining themselves and playing fair. The right will no doubt moan about the loss of their values, but they have been presiding over the destruction of these values all along.

    wjodon

    Let the Repudiation begin.

  19. Helen Rainier

    August 2, 2007 at 12:09 pm

    Sandra,

    I’m not so sure that it’s capitalism in and of itself that is the problem. The problem is corporatism.

    As far as socialism being the only way for any nation to act — in theory I agree with you.

    However, the problems always seem to come in when the theory itself is interpreted and twisted by its proponents into what they think it should be as opposed to what it is in theory.

    If one reflects on the Sermon on the Mount, which is widely attributed to the Words of Jesus, in the NT — it seems to me that what Jesus was espousing was socialism.

    And, for his times, Jesus was a “liberal” radical. He most certainly was not a fundamentalist.

    It is in that vein, that I will say I belive in Jesus’ philosophy towards how we deal with others and how we put others first over ourselves. If we would all do that, our societies would be taking care of one and all.

    As usually happens it is what actually happens in reality that becomes the problem.

    This is the primary reason why I have spent my lifetime eschewing both organized politics and organized religion.

    My two-cents worth! ;-)

    Proud Army Vet
    Vietnam Era
    Not a leftie, not a rightie,
    just down the middle.

  20. anthny

    August 2, 2007 at 8:50 am

    anthny: I doubt Georgie even knows what executive privilege or Deja-vu mean. But Karl with a K Rove will just give the standard line of I can’t recall, made famous by that B actor of the 40’s, it works every time. Even dumbass Gonzales uses it.
    We The People will be screwed no matter what happens in this scam.

  21. remoran

    August 2, 2007 at 10:29 am

    Simply unbelievable but then again, nothing this “wonderful” adminstration does surprises me. I guess the only way these guys will ever get impeached is if the DC Madam has them serviced orally by her employees.

    “Never stop questioning.” Einstein

  22. gene

    August 2, 2007 at 10:33 am

    (LFTL) I got to tell ya, I just don’t know what else to do. All I see anymore is a nation of zombies, FAT zombies, I mean big fat zombies. Now just being a zombie is bad enough but when you are a “clueless” (fat)zombie…..its f**king over!!

    I just know in my heart of hearts that God created (ativan) before he created man and wine came “after”.

  23. LurkingFromTheLeft

    August 2, 2007 at 10:47 am

    Well in my view of the world…

    …Dog created wine –

    …and then created us for a diversion –

    …then came the drugs for the dogs because of us –

    …why do you think they are so good at sniffin’ ‘em?

    LFTL

  24. gene

    August 2, 2007 at 11:18 am

    Hmmmm!!! their appears to be an element of truth here Watson.

  25. LurkingFromTheLeft

    August 2, 2007 at 11:42 am

    And I like the way

    …no dog poop here Sherlock –

    …I’m liking the way you think – for a man on Ativan –

    LFTL

  26. adamrussell

    August 2, 2007 at 10:54 am

    I feel sorry for any honest member of the GOP.

  27. gene

    August 2, 2007 at 11:13 am

    And the horror show continues for so many. When will it end? Hopefully not before my next dose of yep!! (ativan) but if it does I’ll still have some floating around (happily) in my vascular system. It doesn’t take a large dose to sooth (3) active brain cells.

    This stuff (articles we read) has become so common and little, if anything surprise me anymore that its actually the comments from individuals here that capture my attention.

    Take for instance (LFTL)…he doesn’t say much because (he’s lazy?) (had to much wine?)…no, none of the above. He just tells it like it is in a few words which is just as affective as a dissertation. Carl Nemon (have’t seen him in a while) always does an excellent dissertation along with Helen. Now (Sandra) who has obviously been around for awhile (respectfully) and represents so much of what this nation has lost, “the good stuff” like honor, honesty, values, morals, etc. is somewhere in between. Bryan, your just here but good, real good.

    Your comments supplemented by (should I even mention it?)

    MAKE MY FRIGGIN DAY!!!! I humbly thankyou…(belch).

  28. LurkingFromTheLeft

    August 2, 2007 at 11:19 am

    Take for instance (LFTL)

    …he doesn’t say much because (he’s lazy?) (had toO much wine?)

    …no, none of the above. He just tells it like it is in a few words which is just as affective as a dissertation.

    …WELL GENE – obviously you missed my post about HRC and The Cleavage Debate –

    …I am a she – YEP – just looked still am – not lazy one bit – and I am NOT a fan of HRC at all – would not even consider her –

    …I’m honoured and flattered about the say lots with little –

    LFTL

    P.S. There is no such thing as TOO much wine -

  29. gene

    August 2, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    Well I be dam!!! Sombody is NOT paying attention…and its ME.

  30. LurkingFromTheLeft

    August 2, 2007 at 4:46 pm

    Hey…you can’t be

    …watching all our backs –

    …and/or fronts! –

    LFTL