What happens if the news is good?

What happens to Democratic efforts to bring troops home from Iraq if the report next month from Gn. David Petraeus shows progress in the war?

That, says the House Majority Whip, could be a problem. A big one that could split Democrats in the House and stall efforts to end the war.

Reports The Washington Post:

House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Monday that a strongly positive report on progress on Iraq by Army Gen. David Petraeus likely would split Democrats in the House and impede his party’s efforts to press for a timetable to end the war.

Clyburn, in an interview with the washingtonpost.com video program PostTalk, said Democrats might be wise to wait for the Petraeus report, scheduled to be delivered in September, before charting next steps in their year-long struggle with President Bush over the direction of U.S. strategy.

Clyburn noted that Petraeus carries significant weight among the 47 members of the Blue Dog caucus in the House, a group of moderate to conservative Democrats. Without their support, he said, Democratic leaders would find it virtually impossible to pass legislation setting a timetable for withdrawal.

“I think there would be enough support in that group to want to stay the course and if the Republicans were to stay united as they have been, then it would be a problem for us,” Clyburn said. “We, by and large, would be wise to wait on the report.”

Clyburn: Positive Report by Petraeus Could Split House Democrats on WarHouse Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Monday that a strongly positive report on progress on Iraq by Army Gen. David Petraeus likely would split Democrats in the House and impede his party’s efforts to press for a timetable to end the war. [Washington Post Political News]


  1. gene

    Well he would be only lieing out his stupid (Bush kissing) ass!!! It would be double talk, psycho babble, the kind of crap that Bush and the rest puke out of their f**king mouths. I wouldn’t believe the SOB if he had a halo around his head and a set of wings hanging off his back.

  2. JoyfulC

    I agree. Regardless of how much weight his views are given, the Democrats in question (AND their Republicans across the aisle) are going to have to do their duty to their constituents and decide whether Petraeus’ report is accurate.

    If they feel it is not accurate, then they’d better be prepared with some facts of their own to challenge the report.

    But if they feel it is accurate (which would surprise me), then they would need to go back to their constituents and help them see the light, as well. And be prepared to answer challenges from their constituents who might not buy it without some very convincing arguments. If Petraeus comes back with good news, and some in Congress are prepared to accept it, then they should also be prepared to stake their reputations and their political fate on it, as well.

    What they CAN’T do is nothing. They are not allowed to sit there and accept a lot of b*llsh*t, vacillate about believing it, yet use this as an excuse to take the path of least resistance and go along with whatever President Bush wants, all the while never missing luncheon at the club.

    They can’t be allowed to do that any longer — not Democrats, not Republicans.

  3. Electric Bill

    I have to agree with gene. If the news is good, it’s either lies or cherry-picking. Of course in places where there are huge concentrations of American soldiers there is less insurgent activity. That is the nature of guerilla warfare, something the US has forgotten since Vietnam and Petraeus seems to have forgotten since he wrote his manual on guerilla warfare. Guerillas go where troop strength is low. If Bush co-opts Petraeus to do his lying for him it will just be another in the long line of once decent officers he has ruined.

  4. jchild314

    Electric Bill,

    Why does it not suprise me that you make such a defeatest statement as “I have to agree with gene. If the news is good, it’s either lies or cherry-picking.” God forbid there is good news comming from the effort of our military. I can’t wait to see how you and your friend Harry, Nancy, and Hillary explain WHY success in Iraq is so so hard for you to stomach. And lets throw your good friend James Clyburn from SC. into the mix. He sure exposed what a true Dem really is. Man can that guy stick his foot in the Dems mouth. A good report from Petraeus would be BAD for the Dems??????????? WHAT ABOUT THE COUNTRY?????????????????????

  5. Electric Bill

    I can tell by the venom in your ridiculous attempt at a rejoinder that you are really concerned with the good of the country. Everything your boy George and his minions have told “the country” for six years has been a lie. Why should it be any different if there is actually a report in September, which seems to be increasingly unlikely. Real good news from Iraq would be good news for everyone, but I’m not holding my breath. What’s with all the question marks? Isn’t one enough? You will break your keypad if you keep that up.

  6. long_rider

    We as Americans are supposed to believe an administration, and military leaders, who have founded their kingdoms upon lies. We do not have a source of truthful information that we can trust.

    Our media is far less than truthful, they kiss the chimps testes every chance they get. The generals will say anything to save their pensions.

    No matter what this general reports, the facts speak for themselves – our troops die daily, Iraq does not want us over there, we have spent billions to rebuild their infrastructure – and nothing works, and the chimp still does not have an oil deal with Iraq.

    Americans are cought in a vacum with no honest news, and an enemy in the white house that is far more dangerous than anything in the middle east. We also have the added danger of the GOP, who continue to place their loyalties with the axis of evil in the white house, and turn their backs on the American people – as well as the constitution.

    Purge our government of republicans, and impeach cheney and the chimp.

  7. gene

    My God (Electric Bill) did I just read that!!! Talk about pyscho babble. SOMEbody is NOT paying attention and I certainly would not entertain a pissing contest with “pure” ignorance. WOW, I am impressed. I had NO ideal stupidity could be that “stupid”.

  8. adamrussell

    What percent of the public do you think would believe it at this point? You can cynically call people sheep all you want, but I think that most people know they’ve been had.

  9. pondering_it_all

    There are a lot of other indicators coming out of Iraq besides this report in September. I (and I think almost every other American) would welcome good news coming from Iraq. But one glowing report from an american general, contrasted by constant casualty reports, will be dismissed as propaganda.

    If we see an open functional Iraqi Congress that is actually accomplishing anything, a vast decrease in American casualties, diminished ethnic clashes, disbandment or incorporation into the Iraqi army of the various warlord’s militia groups, oil flowing out to world markets, goods, food, and medicine flowing in from the oil revenues, etc. THEN we could believe a positive report. But of course, then we would not need a positive report because the progress would be obvious to everyone.

    So let’s all close our eyes tight and wish real hard…