Tea Party billboard compares Obama to Hitler

(AP)

A billboard created by an Iowa tea party group that compares President Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler and Vladimir Lenin is drawing sharp criticism — even from fellow tea party activists who have condemned it as offensive and a waste of money.

The North Iowa Tea Party began displaying the billboard in downtown Mason City last week. The sign shows large photographs of Obama, Nazi leader Hitler and communist leader Lenin beneath the labels “Democrat Socialism,” “National Socialism,” and “Marxist Socialism.”

Beneath the photos is the phrase, “Radical leaders prey on the fearful & naive.”

The co-founder of the roughly 200-person group said the billboard was intended to send an anti-socialist message. But Bob Johnson admitted Tuesday that the message may have gotten lost amid the images of fascist and communist leaders.

“The purpose of the billboard was to draw attention to the socialism. It seems to have been lost in the visuals,” Johnson said. “The pictures overwhelmed the message. The message is socialism.” He said he didn’t know of any plans to remove the sign.

But others in the tea party movement criticized the sign.

“That’s just a waste of money, time, resources and it’s not going to further our cause,” said Shelby Blakely, a leaders of the Tea Party Patriots, a national group. “It’s not going to help our cause. It’s going to make people think that the tea party is full of a bunch of right-wing fringe people, and that’s not true.”

Blakely also expressed outrage at linking Obama to Hitler, the leader of Nazi Germany who oversaw the killing of 6 million Jews and whose invasions of neighboring countries led to World War II.

“When you compare Obama to Hitler, that to me does a disservice to the Jews who both survived and died in the Holocaust and to the Germans who lived under Nazi regime rule,” Blakely said.

John White, an Iowa coordinator of the Tea Party Patriots, said that he can understand the North Iowa group’s perception that Obama is “Hitler-esque,” but he thinks the billboard is offensive and unproductive. White said that he planned to discuss the matter with national tea party officials.

“I fear they may end up in some kind of trouble over it, because it’s basically slanderous,” White said. “I don’t know that it’s the message we want to send. I’d much rather see billboards that say ‘Remember in November. Get Out and Vote.'”

The billboard is owned by Waitt Outdoor of Omaha, Neb. Waitt general manager, Kent Beatty, said the company didn’t have a problem with the message.

“We believe in freedom of speech,” Beatty said. “It doesn’t reflect our views, necessarily.”

The White House declined to comment on the sign.

One person who welcomed the billboard was Dean Genth, a Democratic activist from Mason City, a city of 30,000 people just south of the Minnesota border, who said he thinks the sign lays bare the views of tea party supporters.

“I welcome them to continue to spew that kind of stuff because I think it’s going to do a lot of good for the good Democrats around the state,” Genth said.

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Associated Press writer Julie Pace in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.

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78 Responses to "Tea Party billboard compares Obama to Hitler"

  1. griff  July 14, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Three peas in a pod…

  2. Guardhouse lawyer  July 14, 2010 at 11:03 am

    “…It’s going to make people think that the tea party is full of a bunch of right-wing fringe people, and that’s not true.”

    It’s not? Coulda fooled me.

    • Almandine  July 14, 2010 at 1:18 pm

      And the fringe grows on…

      “Obama’s a socialist. That’s the view of 55% of American voters, according to a new poll. And this isn’t coming from a Republican pollster.

      It comes from Democracy Corps, a polling group started by life-long Democratic operative James Carville and his partner Stan Greenberg. When the group asked 1,000 voters in mid-June how well the term “socialist” fits President Obama, 55% said “well” or “very well.”

    • Almandine  July 14, 2010 at 5:29 pm

      http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39745.html

      seems kinda mainstream to me…

  3. Carl Nemo  July 14, 2010 at 11:18 am

    Whether it’s a Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler, or a Huey Long; Obama’s style of demagoguery fulfills the bill for such leadership…no?!

    *****
    “How fortunate for rulers that men do not think.” …Adolf Hitler

    *****

    Carl Nemo **==

    • griff  July 14, 2010 at 11:55 am

      Hey Carl, don’t be such a stranger…

      “The people always have some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness. This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.” – Plato

      “Whatever deceives men seems to produce a magical enchantment.” – Plato

  4. Mightymo  July 14, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Where were these billboards when the Bush regime started a war on lies? When the Bush regime authorized torture?? When the Bush regime authorized imprisonment without cause, for years??? When the Bush regime spent trillions of borrowed money that helped put us into this economic crisis????

    • NC-Tom  July 14, 2010 at 1:32 pm

      To extremists of any stripe, THEIR leaders are without fault.

    • griff  July 14, 2010 at 11:53 pm

      Well where are the people that are supposed to reverse it all? Yeah, that’s right…they’re doing the same f**king things.

      Nothing’s changed, but for the worse.

  5. Jim  July 14, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Iowa?? What contribution has Iowa made to the welfare of this nations? Has any one President been from Iowa? Just asking. Is Iowa actually a part of the lower 48???

  6. Almandine  July 14, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    The “Food Capital of the World” ???

    • griff  July 14, 2010 at 11:48 pm

      Good enough to feed us…

  7. AustinRanter - AKA Gregg  July 14, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Comparatively speaking, what is the difference between American form of socialism vs that of say the old soviet union, or eastern block types of socialism, which might be more associated with communism in those regions?

    What American socialistic programs were in place before Nov 8, 2008?

    What American socialistic programs have been made into law after Nov 8, 2008?

    Was Hitler a true socialist by definition?

    • Almandine  July 14, 2010 at 7:25 pm

      Well Gregg,

      it’s interesting to structure your questions in terms of “programs”.

      Pre-2008, you can look to FDR and LBJ. Post 2008 you can look to the present.

      Hitler ??? Just a maniac.

  8. woody188  July 14, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Oh no, the “national” tea party groups are upset and someone might get into trouble. Problem is, all tea party groups are local and don’t answer to any “national” group. It was set up this way on purpose to prevent being co-opted by any political parties.

    I don’t see how this is slanderous. And I’d love to see Justice sue over it, and have the tea party lose a free speech case while corporations are given “free speech” via unlimited campaign contributions. That would be a very unwise move from the White House.

    Maybe the comparisons would stop if Obama wouldn’t invade any more countries, order any more assassinations, or stop the torture of detainees. We all know he’ll never do that. Those were just nice sound bites from elections past. Our foreign policy is fascist imperialism and can’t be denied.

    • griff  July 15, 2010 at 9:41 am

      Bipartisan neo-Hitlerian expansionism under the guise of protecting the fatherland – er, I mean homeland.

  9. AustinRanter - AKA Gregg  July 15, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Look boys and girls, I’m not a fan of Obama. But I see a lot of name calling that has no substance behind it.

    Can anyone do an outline of comparative characteristics that would persuade all who reads it to conclude that Obama is indeed perpetrating the same types of behaviors on America as did Hitler to Germany?

    Also, I’d like to see some BEFORE and AFTER his election examples of social programs implemented by government that are truly, by the book definition, socialists.

    For any alledged socialists programs existing over the past 60 years…why weren’t they repealed within a brief time of their enactment and/or declared unconstitutional by the SCOTUS?

    • Almandine  July 15, 2010 at 11:31 am

      I would imagine these programs have not been repealed because they’re very popular with the recipients of the largesse and, therefore, politically advantageous to those who pass them. Getting rid of such programs after their passage would apper to those in Congress to be political suicide, at least without the overwhelming bipartisanship that could cover the asses of those who would vote to do so. If the politics of today are any indication, that might not even be enough.

      As for any moves by SCOTUS, what would be the consitutional basis for that? Without challenges by some entity with “standing”, how would they even entertain such questions?

      No, this is an issue of what type of society we will have. That is, are we to be free citizens, armed with the rights codified in the consitution to secure liberty and property for ourselves, supported by government to succeed individually as much as we can, or are we to be mere minions in the service of the state, bound together by our common slavery?

    • griff  July 15, 2010 at 5:08 pm

      In his book ‘The Revolution: A Manifesto,’ Ron Paul breaks it down rather succinctly…

      “Once government does become involved in something, intellectual and institutional inertia tends to keep it there for good. People lose their political imaginantion. It becomes impossible to conceive of dealing with the matter in any other way. Repealing the new bureaucracy becomes unthinkable. Mythology about how terrible things were in the old days becomes the conventional wisdom. Meanwhile, the bureaucracy itself, with a vested interest in maintaining itself and increasing its funding, employs all the resources it can to ensuring that it gets a bigger budget next year, regardless of its performance. In fact, the worse it does, the more funding it is likely to get – exactly the opposite of what happens in the private sector, in which those who successfully meet the needs of their fellow men are rewarded with profits, and those who poorly anticipate consumer demand are punished with losses.”

      If you remember the Bush years, comparisons between Bush and Hitler were all the rage on the left. Since Obama has pretty much fully embraced the Bush Doctrine, it would stand to reason that the comparison would appropriately fit Obama, especially considering His ramping up spending on the social side of the equation.

      But for the record, Obama’s rise to power is more akin to Mussolini’s.

  10. AustinRanter - AKA Gregg  July 15, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Almandine,

    With all due respect you are skirting around the questions I possed. You’ve constructed a narrative related to my questions, but don’t really offer any sourceable information.

    That’s the problem with all of the assertions made regarding Obama and his move to create a socialist society. Where’s the proof in the pudding, so-to-speak? Where has he departed from his predecessors that genuinely sets him apart from all who served before him? What makes him more dangerous than all who served before him?

  11. Wally B  July 15, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    If these folks are going to call Obama a Democratic Socialist why did they not compare him to the leaders of Germany, Sweden, Norway, etc.?

  12. Almandine  July 15, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Forget Hitler. That analogy by others is based on the perception of his embrace of totalitarianism.

    Mandatory participation in Obamacare. Takeover of GM and Chrysler. Fiscal and monetary policies that invoke the specter of Cloward – Piven. Outright hostility to opponents of illegal immigration – and attack on states’ rights to enforce it – and outright support of racism, as in protection of the New Black Panther Party. (Both in the name of growing a larger political majority). Foreign policy that embraces terrorists and their sponsors and denies historical (democratic) allies. And so on…

    Socialism, per se, may be defined as central planning, control, and ownership of the means of production. His forays in this direction so far are limited. It also can be seen as the redistribution of wealth from the haves to the have-nots. Most Americans that can recall the Soviet Union, East Germany, Cuba, etc., can see those very qualities in the direction Obama is taking this country and can also recall the the general desperateness of their societies, and the clinical depression of their citizens. One must only think of Bill Ayers, Van Jones, Rev. Wright, even Michelle, and all his other self-described “communist mentors” to make the link and get the picture.

    People believe he’s taking us down. And that is why the Tea Party has taken off so… those are generally the people old enough to have quickly made the connection between him and the communist past, the people who want freedom and prosperity for their children and grandchildren. Perhaps it’s not any specific instance or even the specific descriptor (socialism, communism, totalirarianism) that’s important – just the expectation… the danger in “change we can believe in.”

  13. Guardhouse lawyer  July 15, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    ‘”One must only think of Bill Ayers, Van Jones, Rev. Wright, even Michelle, and all his other self-described ‘communist mentors’ to make the link and get the picture. ”

    So Ayers, Wright, and Michelle (Obama) have all described themselves as “communist mentors” to Barack Obama?

    BULLS**T! Horsefeathers. Crapola.

    Why do you peddle this stuff?

    You should know full well that none of those are both mentors to Obama and communists. Certainly Ayers is or was a communist, though he described himself as a small-c communist. But it has been shown conclusively that Ayers was not a mentor of Obama and that their relationship was at best tangential to either of their lives.

    And while both Wright and Michelle Obama are or have been mentors, to describe either one of them as communist is scurrilous.

    Self-described means that the person has described himself or herself as a communist. Show me where any one of these three has self-described as a communist and a mentor to President Obama.

    • Carl Nemo  July 15, 2010 at 5:57 pm

      Yo Guardhouse lawyer..

      From the keyboard of B.S. Peddler in Chief…

      *****

      The Fundamental Transformation of America courtesy of Barack Obama & Company…

      When Obama wrote a book and said he was
      mentored as a youth by Frank,
      (Frank Marshall Davis) an avowed Communist,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When it was discovered that his grandparents,
      were strong socialists
      who sent Obama’s mother to a socialist school
      where she was introduced to Frank Marshall Davis. He was
      later introduced to young Barack Hussein Obama
      People said it didn’t matter.

      When people found out that Barack Hussein Obama was
      enrolled as a Muslim child in school and his
      father and stepfather were both Muslims,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he wrote in another book he
      authored “I will stand with them (Muslims)
      should the political winds shift
      in an ugly direction”
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he admittedly, in his book,
      said he chose Marxist friends
      and professors in college–
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he traveled to Pakistan ,
      after college on an unknown
      national passport,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he sought the endorsement of the
      Marxist Party in 1996 as he ran
      for the Illinois Senate,
      people said it doesn’t matter.

      When he sat in a Chicago Church
      for twenty years and listened to a preacher
      spew hatred for America and
      preach black liberation theology,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When an independent Washington organization,
      that tracks Senate voting records, gave him
      the distinctive title as the “most liberal senator,”
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When the Palestinians in Gaza
      set up a fund raising telethon
      to raise money for his election campaign,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When his voting record
      supported gun control,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he refused to disclose who
      donated money to his election campaign,
      as other candidates had done,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he received endorsements from
      people like Louis Farrakhan and
      Muammar Gadaffi and Hugo Chavez,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When it was pointed out that he was
      a total newcomer and had absolutely
      no experience at anything except
      community organizing,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he chose friends and acquaintances
      such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn
      who were revolutionary radicals,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When his voting record in the Illinois
      senate and in the U.S. Senate
      came into question,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he refused to wear a flag,
      lapel pin, and did so only
      after a public outcry,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When people started treating him as
      a Messiah and children in schools
      were taught to sing his praises,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he stood with his hands over
      his groin area for the playing of the
      National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he surrounded himself in the White house
      with advisers who were pro-gun control, pro-
      abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and wanting to
      curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition
      people said it didn’t matter..

      When he said he favors
      sex education in Kindergarten,
      including homosexual indoctrination,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When his personal background was either
      scrubbed or hidden and nothing
      could be found about him,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When the place of his birth
      was called into question,
      and he refused to produce a birth certificate,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he had an association in Chicago
      with Tony Rezco–a man of questionable character and
      who is now in prison and had helped Obama
      to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home–
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When it became known that George Soros,
      a multi-billionaire Marxist,
      spent a ton of money to get him elected,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he started appointing White House Czars
      that were radicals, revolutionaries,
      and even avowed Marxist/Communist,
      people said it didn’t matter. (30 plus Czars)

      When he stood before the Nation
      and told us that his intentions were to
      “fundamentally transform this Nation”
      into something else,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When it became known that he had
      trained ACORN workers in Chicago
      and served as an attorney for ACORN,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he appointed cabinet members
      and several advisers who were
      tax cheats and socialists,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he appointed a Science Czar, John Holdren,
      who believes in forced abortions, mass
      sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory
      Czar who believes in “Explicit Consent,”
      harvesting human organs without family consent,
      and allowing animals to be represented in court,
      while banning all hunting,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual,
      and organizer of a group called gay, lesbian, straight,
      education network as Safe School Czar and it became known
      that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he appointed Mark Lloyd, as Diversity Czar,
      who believes in curtailing free speech;
      taking from one and giving to another to spread
      the wealth; who supports Hugo Chavez,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When Valerie Jarrett was selected as Obama’s
      Senior White House Adviser and she is an
      avowed Socialist,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director
      said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher- –
      and the person she turned to most for inspiration,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he appointed Carol Browner as Global Warming
      Czar, and her being a well known socialist working
      on Cap and trade as the nations largest tax,
      people said it doesn’t matter.

      When he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and
      avowed Communist as Green Energy Czar,
      who since had to resign when this was made known,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When Tom Daschle, Obama’s pick for health
      and human services secretary could not be
      confirmed, because he was a tax cheat,
      people said it didn’t matter..

      When as President of the United States ,
      he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia ,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he traveled around the world
      criticizing America and never once
      talking of her greatness,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When his actions concerning the Middle-East
      seemed to support the Palestinians
      over Israel , our long time ally,
      people said it doesn’t matter.

      When he took American tax dollars to
      resettle thousands of Palestinians
      from Gaza to the United States ,
      people said it doesn’t matter.

      When he upset the Europeans by
      removing plans for a missile defense system
      against the Russians,
      people said it doesn’t matter.

      When he played politics in Afghanistan by
      not sending troops early-on when the
      Field Commanders
      said they were necessary to win,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he started spending us into a debt
      that was so big
      we could not pay it off,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he took a huge spending bill
      under the guise of stimulus
      and used it to pay off organizations,
      unions, and individuals
      that got him elected,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he took over insurance companies,
      car companies, banks, etc.,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he took away student loans
      from the banks and put it
      through the government,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he designed plans to take over
      the health care system
      and put it under government control,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes were later made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and ‘stating’ that he was raised a Muslim; was educated as a Muslim; and that he is still a Muslim–
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he set into motion a plan
      to take over the control of all
      energy in the United States
      through Cap and Trade,
      people said it didn’t matter.

      When he finally completed his
      transformation of America
      into a Socialist State,
      people finally woke up—
      but it was too late.

      Add these up one by one and you get a phenomenal score that points to the fact that Barack Hussein Obama is determined to turn America into a Marxist-Socialist society.

      All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place. All can be documented very easily. Before you disavow this do an internet search.

      The last paragraph alone is not yet cast in stone. You, I, and millions of others will write that paragraph. Will it read as a continuation of the above or will it be a more happy ending for America…?

      Carl Nemo **==

      • Almandine  July 15, 2010 at 7:27 pm

        Good show, Carl…

        glad to see your recent reticence is mostly “studied” indifference and not mere indifference.

        I too thought of a chapter and verse reply, but those who roam here know the score… on the big O and GL, his sycophantic agent provacateur.

        Thanks

      • griff  July 15, 2010 at 8:00 pm

        Bush made him do it!

      • AustinRanter - AKA Gregg  July 15, 2010 at 10:47 pm

        Carl, thanks for your obvious labor.

        Now…you have offered the type of information that allows readers to research and either agree with or produce refutable information.

        Generalized assertions usually leave the readers with so many variables to ponder and search that they wind up losing the essences of their research and become either exhausted without a conclusive information (on one side of the agrument or the other) or just lose interest.

  14. Purple-Stater  July 15, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Personally, I prefer Democrat Socialism over Corporate Socialism (where 99% of everything goes to 1% of the people).

  15. DejaVuAlOver  July 15, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    For a guy who’s policies have shown zero substantive deviation from Bush’s policies, this is quite amazing. Yeah, the Tea Party has some very legitimate points and there are many legitimate reasons to think that this country has descended into the middle stages of fascism, the ideology of Hitler. But where the HELL were these jerks when Bush was working the very same evil on us all? The English language doesn’t have a word to adequately describe the magnitude of this kind of hypocrisy. Oh wait, maybe it does. ‘The Church’ comes pretty close.

    • Guardhouse lawyer  July 15, 2010 at 7:31 pm

      You may not have read my objections to the prior post. I said those people were not self-described communist mentors. Obfuscation does not change reality. But I admit it’s really GOOD obfuscation.

    • Guardhouse lawyer  July 15, 2010 at 7:33 pm

      And this somehow makes other people into communists? Like Obama’s wife and Rev. Wright? That’s pretty much of a stretch.

      • Almandine  July 15, 2010 at 9:35 pm

        Let’s be clear… Black Liberation Theology has a long, sordid, well established Marxist underbelly. The inherent difference in nomenclature is race vs class struggle, but the tenets and the methods are the same. The teachings are the same… only more vitriolic. Wright describes himself as a Black Liberation Theologian, and to claim he’s not O’s mentor is your 20-yr obfuscation. The others – Ayers, Alinsky, Dorhn, Soros, Klonsky, Davis, Davidson… the list goes on and on – and it’s not hard to ferret out. Try it if you’re so interested in the truth.

        I’ll give you Michelle… for lack of searching out incontrovertible evidence. Sshe’s too cunning to admit her leanings, at least beyond America being the root of all the world’s evil.

  16. DejaVuAllOver  July 16, 2010 at 5:18 am

    For a guy who’s policies have shown zero substantive deviation from Bush’s policies, this Obama cat is quite amazing. The Tea Party has some very legitimate points and there are many legitimate reasons to think that this country has descended into the middle stages of fascism, the ideology of Hitler. But where the HELL were these (Tea Party) jerks when Bush was working the very same evil on us all? The English language doesn’t have a word to adequately describe the magnitude of this kind of hypocrisy. Oh wait, maybe it does. ‘The Church’ comes pretty close. BUT…….

    “The only thing worse than violence, is cowardice.” —- Mahatma Gandhi. Have truer word ever been spoken of the Democrats? If the choice we have is: violent, arrogant, warmongering, murdering anti-Muslim racists vs. cowardly, spineless, sellout, chickenshit, loser, ignorant zionist suckers, I’ll take the Tea Party, thank you.

  17. dvl666  July 16, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Carl you’re full of it. All of your ascertions when fact checked by non right wing nuts are falsehoods.

    • Almandine  July 17, 2010 at 9:55 am

      Yeah ? … prove it.

  18. AustinRanter - AKA Gregg  July 16, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    DVL666…

    Your allegation that “Carl is full of it and that his assertions are all false” is in-and-of- itself an assertion without producing specific refutable information to any or all of Carl’s claims and/or assertions.

    Carl’s claims and/or assertions seemed to be posted with conviction. However, it would have been way better had he posted his source at the end of each phrase: “people said it didn’t matter.”

    Making accusations and then not backing them up with verifible sources seems to be commonplace rather than the exception when readers post their reaction or response to any given CHB column or publicized event.

    BTW…I’m as guilty as many others when I post information other than opinion. I’m working to change my knee-jerk behaviors. These are emotional times…maybe the most in my 60 some-odd years of my life.

    America is bombarded each and every day by so-called pundits on TV, radio, and columnist who say anything about any person or event without one shred of evidence…and their followers simply believe these hacks. Now that is pure power. I honestly hope that I can rise above doing the same as those I consider to be “jerk pundits” when I post “allegations/claims” in CHB…or wherever.

    Oh, and there is a difference between “opinion” and assertions when declared.

    “Progress not Perfection” is a good philosophy…for me. That’s my immediate strategy to overcome my shortcomings as a participant in CHB.

    • Carl Nemo  July 17, 2010 at 11:38 am

      “people said it didn’t matter.” … that refrain was added for “impact”. The proof of the pudding is that Obama & Co. have pulled off many a scam post his ascendancy to high office all on the coattails of Bushco’s boohoo plea for TARP money in order to bail out AIG, the mega center banks and Paulson’s buddies at Goldman Sachs. It seems to be business as usual only with a mega-socialist spin.

      There was no sea change with Mr. “change we can believe in” taking office. Instead its turned out to be a more so warped version of stripping this nation’s economic flesh to the bone leaving us broken on the side of the road, simply a ‘banana republic’ with a national credit ratiing that’s soon to be dethroned from AAA to quasi ‘junk’ status.

      Btw, dvl666 how was your trip to the “dark side of the moon”for the past 9.5 years or so…? Based on your terse rebuttal to my lengthy claims concerning Obama’s failings it seems you are operating with a bucket on your head… / : |

      Carl Nemo **==

  19. jim0001  July 17, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Mr. Nemo. outstanding, dedicated research and presentation of the same. Thanks!

    • Guardhouse lawyer  July 17, 2010 at 3:38 pm

      Research? I LOVE your sense of humor, Jim. There was not one shred of research in that screed, merely a tiresome rehash of all the far right anti-Obama crap that passes for scholarship hereabouts.

      • griff  July 17, 2010 at 8:11 pm

        “We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” – Plato.

        Walk toward the light, GL…walk toward the light.

      • Almandine  July 17, 2010 at 9:16 pm

        Research is something that needs to be done to find facts obscured by the glow of apparent reality. There is no need here, no obscuration of facts, nor is there any doubt about O. All of the assertions in this thread are fully available in the public domain… can you say Google?

        For all the protest you continually make, harping on lack of data and facts, acting as if it is you with the pipeline to truth… you have not offered one single verifiable bit of information in rebuttal to anything, no substantiation to support your own assault on truth whatsoever.

        So here’s your opportunity… show us the money.

        • Guardhouse lawyer  July 17, 2010 at 10:05 pm

          Well since almost of the cutesy little things Mr Nemo wrote was opinion, there are there?

          Example:

          When he designed plans to take over
          the health care system
          and put it under government control,
          people said it didn’t matter.

          What bullcrap. No one is taking over the health care system and putting it under government control. So what kind of research was it that came up with such arrant s–t? It wasn’t research, it was dittohead. Listen to the kooks on the far right and jerk your little knees in response to their hammers.

          And this:

          When he finally completed his
          transformation of America
          into a Socialist State,

          That is just more spewing of far right crap. Unless, of course, you believe that the US is a socialist state, which it is not.

          But far be it from me to post reason in response to raw emotions that pass for discourse around here and expect to receive back anything other than vitriol.

          • Almandine  July 17, 2010 at 10:51 pm

            To quote Carl from that post… “The last paragraph alone is not yet cast in stone” – but once again all you can do is yada, yada, yada.

            Look in the mirror for raw emotion. You won’t find reality there.

  20. Carl Nemo  July 17, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    You surely are a “foulmouthed”, angry protester GHL. I nailed you for your nasty tone in the beginning of your association with this site and it seems you are the same tail-snappin’ dog that you were were from the beginning.

    Let’s see the final h-care bill in excess of 2000 pages surely is a free market, representative based republic friendly document…no?

    Glue you nose in this article and see what the IRS has to say about this nasty piece of health care legislation when it kicks into gear in 2012; then, only in its administrative infancy.

    Hopefully an asteroid iincoming or the end as predicted by the Mayan calendar will put us out of our collective obsessional misery concerning our love affair with “socialism gone wild”; I.E.,, something for nothing at the expense of others’ industriousness and work ethic… : |

    http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2010/07/11/irs-new-health-care-law-imposes-significant-new-burdens/

    Nah, it’s not socialism, it’s simply our womb to tomb, welfare/warfare state corporatist government looking out for us known as ‘new age’ socialism on steroids. They’re spreading the wealth alright except it’s not the wealth of the top one percenters and their criminally disposed political patrons in Congress.

    Carl Nemo **==

  21. woody188  July 18, 2010 at 12:43 am

    You’re right Carl, it isn’t socialism. Corporatist is just a politically correct name for fascism.

  22. Almandine  July 18, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    More opinionating in a similar vein..

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/lazarowitz8.1.1.html

    • griff  July 18, 2010 at 5:35 pm

      One of the “it doesn’t matter” crowd, to be sure. Poster boy for cognitive dissonance.

  23. Guardhouse lawyer  July 18, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    The interpretations of Obama’s discussion are absolutely idiotic. You people believe this s–t because you want to believe it, not because it is the truth. NOWHERE in the obviously taken-out-of-context excerpt does Obama say anything except in a theoretical vein. NOWHERE does he say that he believes in forcible redistribution of wealth. What he DOES imply is that legislation can give the disadvantaged the tools with which to become advantaged through the existing system.

    Lew Rockwell says in his article that Obama “expressed” that he was a socialist. No reasonable thinking normal human being could come away with that idea even from the out-of-context excerpts of the 2001 tape.

    It would also be a REALLY good idea for those interested to try to find the discussion just prior to the start of the excerpts in that tape. My bet is that you find the context to be far different from that implied by the person who put together the you-tube thing.

    But I submit to you that none of you will do that because all of you want to believe something and you are willing to go to great lengths to find ways to believe it, even if those ways are totally self-delusional.

    • Almandine  July 18, 2010 at 6:45 pm

      Lew Rockwell said what ???

      That’s your problem GL, you never pay attention to whom is speaking or to what is being said. You’re the true believer… er, hoodwinked.

      And again, you spout all your stuff as if it’s true, without a scintilla of actual evidence. Give the context… give the REAL story… give the empirical basis of your mouthings, if you can. Good luck !!!

      As for redistribution ??? who needs to hear O’s words or mine his thoughts ??? His deeds speak much louder than words.

      And anyway… Who would believe YOU ? And why ?

  24. Carl Nemo  July 18, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Time for some humor… : D

    “Clocks in Heaven”

    A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him.

    He asked, ‘What are all those clocks?’

    St. Peter answered, ‘Those are Lie-Clocks.
    Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock.

    Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move.’

    ‘Oh,’ said the man, ‘whose clock is that?’

    ‘That’s Mother Teresa’s. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie.’

    ‘Incredible,’ said the man. ‘And whose clock is that one?’

    St. Peter responded, ‘That’s Abraham Lincoln’s clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Abe told only two lies in his entire life.’

    ‘Where’s President Obama’s clock?’ asked the man.

    Obama’s clock is in Jesus’ office.
    He’s using it as a ceiling fan.

    author unknown

    Carl Nemo **==

    • griff  July 19, 2010 at 1:24 am

      Nice. It would also work well as a helicopter rotor. One of those heavy lifting ones.

  25. Bogofree  July 19, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    I really don’t know about this socialism thing but just a cursory review I do notice that the feds control the military, have a national police force (FBI), a long list of other security agencies – both for international and national “security” purposes. Far as I know we also have covert operations going on all over the globe and I would certainly not rule out domestic operations – get them thar terrorists and if a handful or boat load of solid citizens fall into it? So be it.

    I look at health care and that seems a fed takeover or legislative control. Seems like businesses are now in debt to the feds with all this TARP stuff and that means something like 140 BIL to Freddie and Fannie who also appear neck deep in the mortgage process so looks like a good portion of the population now is in debt to “The Company Store.”

    All those hundreds or maybe thousands of fed agencies designed to monitor and manage and mandate.

    I get an SS check so I guess I’m in the grasp of the feds…oh…and my Medicare. And then the IRS is always keeping tabs on me, you and who else?

    Well….I could go on but this simple mind just sees a pattern here. This just scratches the surface. I’m getting a feeling the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution on paper in case their latter day replacements needed something to wipe their arse with.

    • Hal Brown  July 19, 2010 at 4:58 pm

      From the Washington Post:

      These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight. After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.

      The investigation’s other findings include:

      * Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.

      * An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances.

      * In Washington and the surrounding area, 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2001. Together they occupy the equivalent of almost three Pentagons or 22 U.S. Capitol buildings – about 17 million square feet of space.

      Read: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/a-hidden-world-growing-beyond-control/

      • griff  July 19, 2010 at 6:44 pm

        Thanks, Hal. I posted that along with two other links this morning but they were flagged for moderation and apparently didn’t pass muster.

  26. dvl666  July 19, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Well accirding to griff’s logic since O hasn’t changed any of W’s crap, then W’s picture should be the fourth pea in the pod.
    Nemo cite your evidence that Obama wanted to have sex ed in kindergarten,
    Even you jokes are simply repeats just insert whichever President or leader you want. Some have been around since FDR.
    Did Rush or Glenn dismiss some staff or do you 2 just moonlight here?

    • griff  July 19, 2010 at 7:28 pm

      Name one thing significant that has changed. Of course I would agree that Bush’s picture should be up there too, along with almost every president and most congresses for the last 80 years or so.

    • Carl Nemo  July 19, 2010 at 8:20 pm

      Yo dvl666,

      You might not care for the source of this information, but nevertheless Obama did say it was a good idea on November 20, 2007 at a Planned Parenthood event when he referenced a confrontation with Alan Keyes on this subject. Granted he isn’t currently pushing such a scheme or any I know of, but it demonstrates his mindset on a hot button issue. Obama is about as left and liberal as one can get or at least liberal for now, but watch out below if he were to become dictator for life as in a broken ‘banana republic’ situation to where we are now headed as a nation post a declaration of martial law.

      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2079415/posts

      The source article involves Rush, so I hope it has value-added nausea for you; humorless one. You don’t like my jokes either…eh? / : |

      I suggest you read the transcript before you fly off on another thought tangent. Please do some research yourself concerning my laundry list indictment against our ‘dear leader’.

      Carl Nemo **==

  27. Bogofree  July 19, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    I did a bit of research and the Gestapo had a shade under 50,000 agents.

    Of course in our free and open democracy that type of organization would never exist.

  28. Almandine  July 19, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Interesting view on the perils of the ruling class… and what it will take to regain sovereignty for the populace.

    http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the

  29. Carl Nemo  July 19, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    Thanks for the link Almandine. It surely was a lengthy tome explaining the complex palette of our byzantine society from top to bottom.

    I don’t see old fashioned revolution in the works, but the wreckage of our skewed paradigm first by the onslaught of inflation and then hyperinflation as a function of the irresponsible monetary policies not only of our Fed~Treasury axis, but that of the G13 nations’ banking establishment; ie, all hopefully inflating their way out of unpayable national debts.

    So the loss of faith in the value of not just our currency, but that of all nations depending on a fiat currency system and from that will come the necessary “blood in the streets” to purge the old, failed ways of world governments and the hoards of these parasitic “ruling class” entities of all stripes as referenced in the article.

    There’s also the possibility of a concurrent geological disaster happening too from a massive climate changing caldera level earthquake eruption somewhere in the world, to a ‘surprise’ asteroid incoming event and of course an ugly worldwide pandemic to shore up the aforementioned systemic problems concerning the worlds’ failed currency system that’s now foundering as I write this. I’m confident that ‘help’ is on the way… : )

    Mighty civilizations have been wiped from the face of the earth before and so too will this modern caricature of civilization as we now witness and that many citizens worldwide must suffer to endure on a daily basis.

    It will be a classic example of how “the mighty will have fallen”… : |

    Carl Nemo **==

  30. Bogofree  July 20, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Nemo….I didn’t know you were Mayan! Damn…I thought I had buried that 2012 stuff and there you go. Hey…2012? Maybe it was a reference to Obama getting re-elected?

    • Carl Nemo  July 20, 2010 at 11:49 am

      I write for impact Bogofree and so I thought referencing the Mayan calendar would fit the bill. Things will probably still be fine on December 22, 2012 relative to Mother Earth on her axis, but surely our lot at the underbrush level will be ever more desperate. : |

      Carl Nemo **==

  31. griff  July 20, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Obamacare kicks in in Idaho!

    • Carl Nemo  July 20, 2010 at 12:14 pm

      Truly a wake up call Griff relative to where this nation is headed under Obamacare. I’d say this Idaho debacle fits the bill of creeping fascism wearing feelgood socialist fleece a prime example… / : |

      Carl Nemo **==

      • griff  July 20, 2010 at 2:58 pm

        No way, Carl, the writer’s just a racist. Oops, that’s right – he’s black. Oh well, must be some other malfunction.

    • Almandine  July 20, 2010 at 3:58 pm

      Collectivism IS slavery.

  32. Guardhouse lawyer  July 20, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    This is truly the stuff from which fruitcakes are made.

    • griff  July 20, 2010 at 5:07 pm

      Suffering from a bit of Stockholm Syndrome, GL?

    • Almandine  July 20, 2010 at 6:23 pm

      Well, read that link Griff posted about Orthopods in Idaho.

      If that ain’t collectivism… and if those Docs aren’t being made slaves…

      just exactly what is it?

      • Guardhouse lawyer  July 20, 2010 at 9:01 pm

        I read all the links. They engaged in criminal behaviour. They violated the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. And the right-wingers twisted the facts and used so many pejorative words and phrases that I lost count and tried to make it look as though this was part of the health care reform. More rightwing crap and you people here just roll over and accept the force-feedings of the right wing nutcases.

        And then I get accused of Stockholm Syndrome. Risible. Just risible.

        • Almandine  July 20, 2010 at 9:06 pm

          And you call yourself a lawyer? Ho boy…

        • griff  July 20, 2010 at 11:30 pm

          Duh….Okay

  33. Carl Nemo  July 21, 2010 at 2:02 am

    It’s obvious at this point that GHL is a loyalist to the ‘regime'; I.E., those forces that wish to abrogate the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights etc. via the misapplication of modern era laws such as the Sherman Anti-Trust Act in order to shore up another unconstitutional law, the recently passed health care bill, regardless of its passage via the U.S. Congress, now simply a hand clapping “politburo” that serves shadowy corporate interests, Constitutional muster be damned…!

    Presuming GHL watched the clip of the homeowner who was target practicing on his property while local law enforcement violated his 4th Amendment rights; also seemingly in agreement with that egregious enforcement activity too, categorizing the person as a ‘lawbreaker’ the same as the orthopedic physicians in Idaho; then it then seems by extension that GHL is one uv’em; ie., an agent provocateur and supporter of the corrosive, evil forces that are destroying this nation; I.E., an enemy of freedom loving peoples for all time and places. GHL’s thought processes represent that of the enemy and there’s no shortage of his dangerous mindset in our times…! : |

    *****

    “Where there are too many policemen, there is no liberty. Where there are too many soldiers, there is no peace. Where there are too many lawyers, there is no justice.” …Lin Yutang

    *****

    Carl Nemo **==

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