Bush hides behind executive privilege

President Bush, in a constitutional showdown with Congress, claimed executive privilege Thursday and rejected demands for White House documents and testimony about the firing of U.S. attorneys.

His decision was denounced as “Nixonian stonewalling” by the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Bush rejected subpoenas for documents from former presidential counsel Harriet Miers and former political director Sara Taylor. The White House made clear neither one would testify next month, as directed by the subpoenas.

Presidential counsel Fred Fielding said Bush had made a reasonable attempt at compromise but Congress forced the confrontation by issuing subpoenas. “With respect, it is with much regret that we are forced down this unfortunate path which we sought to avoid by finding grounds for mutual accommodation.”

The assertion of executive privilege was the latest turn in increasingly hostile standoffs between the administration and the Democratic-controlled Congress over the Iraq war, executive power, the war on terror and Vice President Dick Cheney’s authority. A day earlier, the Senate Judiciary Committee delivered subpoenas to the offices of Bush, Cheney, the national security adviser and the Justice Department about the administration’s warrantless wiretapping program.

While weakened by the Iraq war and poor approval ratings in the polls, Bush has been adamant not to cede ground to Congress.

“Increasingly, the president and vice president feel they are above the law,” said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said Bush’s assertion of executive privilege was “unprecedented in its breadth and scope” and displayed “an appalling disregard for the right of the people to know what is going on in their government.”

White House press secretary Tony Snow weighed in with unusually sharp criticism of Congress. He accused Democrats of trying “to make life difficult for the White House. It also may explain why this is the least popular Congress in decades, because you do have what appears to be a strategy of destruction, rather than cooperation.”

Over the years, Congress and the White House have avoided a full-blown court test about the constitutional balance of power and whether the president can refuse demands from Congress. Lawmakers could vote to cite witnesses for contempt and refer the matter to the local U.S. attorney to bring before a grand jury. Since 1975, 10 senior administration officials have been cited but the disputes were all resolved before getting to court.

Congressional committees sought the documents and testimony in their investigations of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’ stewardship of the Justice Department and the firing of eight federal attorneys over the winter. Democrats say the firings were an example of improper political influence. The White House contends that U.S. attorneys are political appointees who can be hired and fired for almost any reason.

In a letter to Leahy and Conyers, Fielding said Bush had “attempted to chart a course of cooperation” by releasing more than 8,500 pages of documents and sending Gonzales and other officials to Capitol Hill to testify.

The president also had offered to make Miers, Taylor, political strategist Karl Rove and their aides available to be interviewed by the Judiciary committees in closed-door sessions, without transcripts and not under oath. Leahy and Conyers rejected that proposal.

The Senate Judiciary Committee’s senior Republican, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, said the House and Senate panels should accept Bush’s original offer.

Impatient with the “lagging” pace of the investigation into the U.S. attorney firings, Specter said he asked Fielding during a phone call Wednesday night whether the president would agree to transcripts on the interviews. Fielding’s answer: No.

“I think we ought to take what information we can get now and try to wrap this up,” Specter told reporters. That wouldn’t preclude Congress from reissuing subpoenas if lawmakers do not get enough answers, Specter said.

Fielding explained Bush’s position on executive privilege this way: “For the president to perform his constitutional duties, it is imperative that he receive candid and unfettered advice and that free and open discussions and deliberations occur among his advisers and between those advisers and others within and outside the Executive Branch.”

This “bedrock presidential prerogative” exists, in part, to protect the president from being compelled to disclose such communications to Congress, Fielding argued.

In a slap at the committees, Fielding said, “There is no demonstration that the documents and information you seek by subpoena are critically important to any legislative initiatives that you may be pursuing or intending to pursue.”

It was the second time in his administration that Bush has exerted executive privilege, said White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto. The first instance was in December 2001, to rebuff Congress’ demands for Clinton administration documents.

The most famous claim of executive privilege was in 1974, when President Nixon went to the Supreme Court to avoid surrendering White House tape recordings in the Watergate scandal. That was in a criminal investigation, not a demand from Congress. The court unanimously ordered Nixon to turn over the tapes.


On the Net:

Senate Judiciary Committee: http://judiciary.senate.gov/

House Judiciary Committee: http://judiciary.house.gov/

White House: http://www.whitehouse.gov


  1. Steve Horn

    Actually, Nixon was smart enough to know he was in trouble – he tried to stonewall but he knew his days in the oval room were numbered.

    Bush isn’t even smart enough to figure out that he’s chin deep in shit and about to step off a ledge.

    Of course – it would be nice if Congress would take deliberate action rather than playing this idiotic game of cat and mouse – but I’ve learned not to expect much from any branch of the government – especially the legislative.



  2. LurkingFromTheLeft

    I’ve said it before

    …and I’ll say it again –

    …I’m still not sure he’ll leave – and take his dick with him – come January 2009 –

    …he’ll claim executive privilege – justifying it by saying it is right to do this because it is right AND he is too –


  3. SEAL

    Liberal Girl, Where I have been is in the United States Navy over 30 years in a position to to know what the actual facts are and what the military mind set is and what their duties actually are. Contrary to popular belief, the military does not blindly follow orders issued by the commander in chief. It must be a legal order. And just because it has been written and stamped with official what nots does not change the military’s responsibility to the constitution which is their highest authority.

    Every officer swears an oath to the Constitution of the United States, not the president. That oath is to protect and defend the people of the nation against all enemies and it expressly forbids us from any actions upon or against the citizens of this nation. No president can countermand that. The constitution would have to be ammended.

    You must understand that the US military Is designed to wage war. We are not a policing agency. We cannot and will not wage war upon our own citizens no matter what order is given by whatever authority. Under Marshall Law we are there only to provide manpower and equipment to help keep order. But there is a reality to a declaration of Marshall Law you must understand. There are not enough troops to secure the entire country. Not even half of it. And under Marshall Law all policing agencies come under military authority. No military commander can give the order to fire [wage war] upon the citizens of this nation. The prime directive, Mr. Spock, is to protect and defend them.

    So there you have the reality. The president can issue the order but without the consent and cooperation of the people it is unenforceable. The people are the highest authority under the constitution and they need to realize that. All government authority exists only by the consent of the governed. They should read the constitution.

    Bush cannot refuse what the representatives of the people have requested. He is answerable to the people at all times. His refusal qualifies as “high crimes and misdomeanors.” He will get away with it only if the people allow it. That is the realization that is missing in this nation today and why we are in such a mess.

  4. JudyB

    “The Dolt Bush” of the Bush/Cheney regime has always lived with privleges! The fact is, its been his way or the highway all of his life. I cannot see anyway of stopping this moron from continuing his deadly, damaging, demoralizing reign of ruin other than his impeachment, that I would love to see occur… and I’m not holding my breath on that.

  5. Steve Horn

    Seal – I’ve taken that oath “to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States against” – and I took it (and still do) to heart. The problem is that we’ve got a guy in the Whitehouse who’s taken that oath three times – once when he was comissioned in the AF, once in Jan 2001 and again in Jan 2005 – and has never – never – lived up to it. President Bush just doesn’t feel he’s obliged to live up to the oath – somehow for some reason he has decided that he’s above the law.

    While I agree that the military doesn’t follow the commands of a President without consideration to their legality, I question if the mercenary forces being employed in Iraq to augment the military would do the same. These private armies are, in my opinion, a greater threat to our freedom than a single nut case like Bush. At the beck and call of whomever has enough cash to pay for their services – to whom to they pledge their loyalty?

    Kinda adds a new meaning to the song title “onward Christian soldiers” does it not?


  6. nuQler Ostrich

    And Congress? They will make new law eliminating 4th Amendment rights to be secure in persons, houses, papers and efects… Oh, wait. They already did that with the Patriot Act.

    Well, they will probably eliminate Habeas Corpus with a new law… Oh wait, they already did that with the Military Commissions bill.

    You get the idea.

    All it will take is another false-flag terrizt attack, perhaps on the Capitol building or some such and Congress will cower with their tails between their legs rolling on their back urinating all over themselves like frightened puppy dogs and enact another “Enabling Act,” just like they did after the American Reichstag Burning on 9-11.

    “…the director of the CIA warned that there could be an attack – an imminent attack – on the United States of this nature. So this is not entirely unexpected.” Sept.11 2001 Ike Skelton – Armed Services Committee member. Live on NPR

  7. Steve Horn

    We’d better face the facts – with the milk toasts that we put in congress in ’04 we’re not going to see Mr. Bush nor Mr. Cheney leave their respective offices until their terms are over.

    The tragic thing is, without the stigma or label of impeachement hanging over them, the lessons of this administration will fade from memory. Sort of like the memories of Clinton doing nothing regarding Darfur have apparently faded, as Ms. Clinton slams the Bush administration for doing the same nothing that her husband did. Of course she fails to mention Bill’s inaction on the subject.



  8. caio109

    I had often thought a mystery how the German people could live out their daily lives while the Nazi’s operated concentration camps, tortured, killed, etc. How could a nation of so many educated folks allow those atrocities to happen right under their noses?
    Now I no longer wonder, for I have been brought up in the United States where we allow the same attrocities to take place while using our tax dollars.
    Martin Luther King Jr. once said that the hottest and darkest place in hell is reserved for those whom live during a time of great moral and ethical injustice and choose to stay neutral. And I say that silence in the face of evil is a reflection of evil itself. In God We Trust.

  9. gene

    I read one of Carl Nemo’s post above and he is certainly well educated and I always enjoy his comments, as well as others that post at CHB. He mentioned something about motivating individuals to get involved with what we here at CHB discuss with great enthusiasm.

    I just came from walmart and I got to tell you that trying to motivate this grossly OVERWEIGHT general public (at least enough of them to do any good) would be impossible. I have never seen so many clueless, could care less, FAT, mineless, stressed out, self centered creatures….OOPS!!..people in my life.

    You might be able to motivate/encourage this incrediable mass of morbidly obese
    individuals if you offered them a free meal at one of the thousands of local pig troffs. The general public in this nation is beyond salvation of any kind. A political system will change only if the citizens revolt in numbers that would impact but from what I saw today, forget it. Its over and everyday is a good day until the real shit hits the real fan and IT WILL HAPPEN SOONER THAN LATER.

  10. gene

    OOPS!!!! where the hell did I get pig troff from…..trough is what I mean. Wonder what a troff is, if anything. God, my brain cells are imploding, what few I have left. Got to love the aging process

  11. Wayne K Dolik

    I just read all the comments here on this article. What great notions from all, especially Seal, Carl and gene. Seal talks about ‘duty” and General Peter Pace has stated publically that military armed forces must not follow illegle or immoral orders. I suggest that is the reason General Pace was forced out.

    In regard to allegiance to one person instead to one’s Country and Constitution, none other than Hitler defined that once!

    There are many of us in this Country. I hope we resist Marshall Law with all our might. Get a good supply of arms and ammo. You might need them some day.

    Posse Commitatus prevents the Military from arresting U.S. Citizens. The new Military Commissions Act has changed that. Then there is the vast growing private armies…really makes you wonder about those folks doesn’t it?

  12. gene

    Dam Wayne to be considered with Carl and Seal is really an incrediable compliment.
    Thankyou!!!!! Carl and Seal are among my most respected commenters. Of course you did not cap my name but thats ok. Little (g) is great and I appreciate your thoughts.

  13. SEAL

    The point about the private “army” that has been created is certainly one to take notice of. The only accurate count of their number comes from Iraq where the estimate is 125,000 of them there. How many exist here at home is unknown but assumed to be at least twice that number.

    I have some limited knowledge of a couple of the organizers [for want of a better word] of these “private security” companies. They are known to be Cheney compatible in their thinking and incompatible with the traditional military mindset. And we do know from the performance of their ranks in Iraq that they are riddled with borderline psycho personalities. That could be good or bad news depending upon the conditions because their bottom line loyalty is to themselves. However, their leaders are a different matter and could only be expected to go down in flames. The good news is that they would be considered enemies of the nation by the military should they be used to cause harm to its citizens.

    There are many factors involved that have been discussed by military commanders “off the record” in ‘what should we do if and when’ private conversations. I have been involved in many of them. Rest assured that the military is not a collection of robots and the unique conditions that existed in Hawaii during WWII could not be recreated on a national basis in todays information age.

    I admit to having great faith in the military of the US and a unique knowledge of things I cannot discuss. However, I should point out what is common knowledge but never mentioned on the list of conflicts or actions by our nation the fact that Iraq is not our first preemtive invasion of a foreign country. Bush the First is credited with that by his odering us into Panama to arrest the soverign leader of that country who they brought to the US to be tried in criminal court for crimes against the United States. Noriega made the mistake of threatening to close the Panama Canal. So, he wound up being convicted of [and to cover up] the criminal activity we set him up in. The Bush disregard for international law runs in the family.

    BTW very little notice has been paid to the recent multi billion dollar agreement [5 or 6] that passes ownership by General Motors of their hugely profitable Allison Transmission Division to the Carlyle [a Bush family] and Onyx [connected]conglomerates. Allison makes almost all of the miltary heavy duty trannies, etc. Interesting, eh? This is the second profitable piece of of GM that has been sold off in the last two years by the profit failing company to the quiet MIC corporate consolidation that has been going on for several years. That is the real danger.

  14. Jenifer D.

    Seal, you’re preaching to the choir here. I’ve done my 20; so why is it that those who see fit to tell us how to do our job, you know, the jerks that have not served their time in the old uniform, thinking they know what they’re doing? These hacks aren’t competent enough to flip burgers! It’s wrong, morally and ethically, to dictate to an organzation what their job is or how to behave when one does not hold themsleves to the same standard.

    I thought LBJ was a jackass. This bunch are WAY past the old looking glass!

  15. Carl Nemo

    Very eloquent caio109…!

    “And I say that silence in the face of evil is a reflection of evil itself.”

    Carl Nemo **==

  16. Carl Nemo

    My apologies SEAL for not complimenting you more often on your spot-on posts. I’m concerned about Blackwater et. al. too. These mercs surely don’t fall under the Posse Commitatus Act of 1878 even though it’s been recently nullified, only in theory, with Bushco’s anti-constitutional machinations. Prince and his Christian militia of psyched-up enforcers, along with Delta Force represent a grave threat to U.S. citizens. I surely hope there’s enough “good men” left in the U.S. military to stand tall and protect their homeland by nullifying this synthetic enforcement entity created by Bushco if they should be unleashed against the citizenry of the United States. To CHB readers my best advice is, to be forwarned is to be forearmed…!

    When the 9/11, anthrax fear frenzy was at it’s peak the government and other entitites were encouraging people to have duct tape, flashlights, yada yada ad infinitum ad nauseam. That’s all well an good, but I think every household in America needs a police model Winchester or Remington pump shotgun with a variety of shotshells to handle every situation that might arise. I’m not advocating violence but one of deterrence in the face of potential tyranny!

    Never have more “untrue words” been spoken…

    “I’m from the government and I’m here to help you”…:))

    Carl Nemo **==

  17. Carl Nemo

    Note: I rarely post the same CHB response twice, but I consider this Bush/Cheney fiasco with them “mooning” the Constitution, The Congress, and most importantly “We the People” to be seriously, deadly business! We the People can no longer tolerate their b.s.! We are paying their wages, the luxuries of their office and giving them respect they no longer deserve…! Round’em up, cuff’em and send them to where they belong!


    Another noisy 4th of July is coming up with all the phony-butt village patriots blowing off their endless supply of firecrackers, whistle rockets and other such nonsense. Most guys I know that have been in combat or close to a combat zone despise fireworks and it’s one of the worst possible holidays for them!

    My Dad now 88 is a survivor of WWII, landing D-Day +3, the Battle of the Bulge among many others, and Korea! When I was a kid I’d ask him what war was like and he’d just get a distant look and say “nothing”…! He was an infantryman in the US Army working and fighting his way up through the ranks from an enlisted man to an officer on the battle field. Being a kid I was always persistent and finally asked him what the most terrifying weapons were and what he thought of the Germans. He simply said the German 88mm tank gun and the mortar were the two most feared weapons of attack and that the Germans were a fierce and “worthy” enemy! He hated fireworks too and didn’t do well during the 4th of July period. We had a flagpole on our property and each day we raised and lowered the flag with honor and respect. This sounds probably over-the-top and extreme to many if not most, but that’s the way it was in our household. We weren’t simply 4th of July flagwavers.

    My point is that millions of men and women have been damaged emotionally, and physically maimed; having sacrificed supremely for this country in WWI, WWII, Korea, Nam, Gulf War I, II and on and on the list goes.

    America now has two certified “traitors” in the Whitehouse with evil designs on turning this once great nation into a NWO/AIPAC/MIC sponsored police state if they can do so while Americans this 4th of July will wave their little flags, hang them off the porch, and make noise for freedom, all the while it’s “loss” thereof is running through their hands, as sand in an hour glass! I’m sorely disappointed with my fellow Americans!

    I entreat all citizen/patriots to do what is necessary and to fire your 88mm thoughtshot across the bow of dreadnaught “Tyranny” and summarily demand the impeachment of George Bush and Richard Cheney this 4th of July 2007 week and do something useful rather than blow off a couple hundred bucks worth of fireworks, wolf down a bunch of burgers and dogs, then simply party-down with your wives, girlfriends, the family or whatever. Stand tall and realize your freedom this 4th of July rests on the shoulders of the dead who have fallen so bravely for “we the people” ‘s freedom , hopefully not to be lost for all time and all places! Will Americans have sold their freedom for a bowl of pottage; i.e., electronic toys, convenience, and self-indulgence?!

    “A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both”… Dwight D. Eisenhower

    I’ll post the duty links so people can make contact with their reps. It’s quite easy folks and if we have millions of those that have been silent for all too long to do what’s necessary in these gravely dangerous times then we shall prevail!


    Carl Nemo **==

  18. gene

    Carl that has to be you best post yet. I could not add anything significant to what you so eliquently stated. “phony-butt village patriots” God is that ever so accurate. I try hard not to judge others because of my on short-comings in life but it has become impossible to ignore the obvious severe degeneration (moral and financial) of this nation.

    As I have said before I am a retired (LTC) with over 20 years of active duty service. It would be absolutely imposssible for me to serve this nation under this leadership, if you could even call it that. I retired in 1996 just as this incrediable travesty was starting.

    “phony-butt village patriots” says it all and that is pretty much all that is left, a nation that has become a grotesque imitation of its past. I believe over the last several decades this nation has simply died but will not stop breathing, eventually it will and very soon. I would not attempt to list all the reasons I know this to be true. Again, I am far from perfert and have made many regrettable misstakes in life but I have always cared. These are surely very different times and (hope) is a word that I am afraid will not apply this time around.

    To many don’t care and this nation has gone to far. Only supernatural intervention can save us this time and I believe (HE) will soon if you understand my meaning. “In God We Trust” that was at one time generally true but not anymore.

  19. Liberal girl raised in Texas

    IMPEACH THEM NOW!!!! First Cheney (so he doesn’t become president), then BUSH! We must stop them before they get us into Iran (with Russia and China siding against us and have no doubt, they would), in which they can suspend the 2008 election and declare martial law.

    You might think I’m paranoid, but look at the things they’ve done so far. We cannot afford to give them the benefit of a doubt anymore. BEWARE: THEY ARE CAPABLE OF ANYTHING!!!

  20. Carl Nemo

    Right-on Liberal girl…!

    You are a savvy woman and a truly a patriot after my heart in defending the Republic against these evil mattoids with an agenda; i.e., Bush/Cheney…!

    Carl Nemo **==

  21. gene

    Yes they are Liberal girl but the truth is falling on ears that can not hear and eyes that do not see the truth.

  22. SEAL

    I don’t see any way possible that they can create the justification to “get us into Iran.” The Iraninans are too smart to let that happen. They have invited the UN inspectors to check out their Nuclear facilities with no restrictions. They give the appearance of cooperation and hiding nothing, whether it is true or not.

    I agree that Bush/Cheney cannot be underestimated in their skullduggery but they cannot do the impossible. In the first place they have nothing to attack Iran with on the ground. And the idea that they would use low yeild nuclear penetrators to destroy underground plants is complete fantasy. They know what would happen to them even if they could somehow do that and they can’t. I don’t believe anyone in the military would obey the order without a declaration from congress and even if they did it would not reach the “button.” There are very strict rules and procedures about the use of nuclear weapons to prevent the “madman” thing from happening. A first strike order would have to be confirmed by a declaration of war. Only congress can do that.

    Continuing to throw out the idea that these clowns in the White House could do the impossible is not a good idea. Some readers might believe it. Not too long ago I explained why the “reality” of Marshall Law in the United States is not possible without the consent of the people. If they rebelled against it there would be no way to enforce it or stop them because the US military is prohibited from waging war upon its own citizens. This isn’t the movies. This is real life.

  23. gene

    Thanks (Seal) I read your post several times. I have become extremely concern over the last several years for obvious reasons to those that post here at CHB. Your information has allowed me to relax (today at least).

    Two ativan should extend that very nicely….amen!!

  24. kent shaw

    SEAL, as usual, provides a sane voice of reason and hope, and reminds some of the more excitable among us, such as this writer, to reconnect to reason and reality from time to time.

    Thanks, SEAL.


  25. andrew

    I knew that chicken was going to do that. (makes chicken sounds) Liberal girl is spot on. We need to go after them both, but go after “deadeye” DICK first. There is the real danger. Georgie boy is too busy trying to remember how to take his collar off.

  26. adamrussell

    Nixon gave in when the supreme court ruled against him. I predict Bush wont give in even then. He truly believes that he is his own law.

  27. Liberal girl raised in Texas

    SEAL – You seem so sure of yourself, I wish you were right. Its going to be people like you who are going to be left dumbfounded when the shit hits the fan because you convinced yourself that they couldn’t/wouldn’t do it. This IS NOT A LAW ABIDING GROUP, besides, they’ve already changed the laws. Hello, where the hell have you been? Below are a couple of links you could start with.

    As far as War with Iran, they ARE ITCHING TO EXPAND THE WAR (Its the only way they can and will maintain power). They will create a false flag operation (or get Israel to do it) to get us offically into Iran (FYI, we are covertly acting against Iran already).

    I understand where you are coming from (trying to be rational), but you are kidding yourself. This is not a rational government and we are not living in rational times anymore.


    H.R. 5122, also known as the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 was a bill passed in the United States Congress on September 30, 2006 and signed by President George W. Bush on October 17, 2006. Among other things, it includes:

    $500 billion allocated to the military and defense related activities for fiscal year 2007

    expansion of the President’s power to declare martial law under revisions to the Insurrection Act, and take charge of United States National Guard troops without state governor authorization when public order has been lost and the state and its constituted authorities cannot enforce the law;

    the elimination of the position of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction as of October 1, 2007, currently held by Republican lawyer Stuart Bowen, which is in charge of auditing expenditures in Iraq, transitioning Inspector General responsibilities to the Inspector General offices in the departments of State and Defense, now that the Coalition Provisional Authority is dissolved and Iraq is now a soveriegn nation.

  28. gene

    Thank God I just took two ativan. Liberal girl I had just read Seal’s post and actually found hope (just for today). You are right, these are NOT rational times and we are NOT dealing with rational people. This whole planet has become irrational for the most part and soon the real shit will hit the real fan.

    If I am wrong…fine..but this planet is still a (snowball of problems) growing larger as it screams down the slope picking up incrediable speed. Is the bottom near? We will know soon enough.

  29. Carl Nemo

    Hi Seal…

    I hate to say it but these two guys; Bush/Cheney are up to something. In October 2006 Bush signed off on DDAA07; i.e, the Defense Department Authorization Act of 2007 which nullifies the “Posse Commitatus Act of 1878” at least in Bush/Cheney’s mind and since he’s the decider-in- chief with his anti-constitutional pen in hand he’s been weaving a web of tyranny about us; i.e., “We the People”.

    His actions whether it’s Congressional subpoenas or whatever up to this point indicates he and Cheney both have no respect for the Constitution or the rule of law. They are unchallenged renegades at this point.

    Sec. 1042 of the DDAA 07 overturns the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which prevents the military from intervening in the conduct of civilian government activities including the conduct of Justice and Law Enforcement. Posse Comitatus has been central to the functioning of constitutional government. I’ll provide a link that outlines the situation. I also recommend people sign up to the Information Liberation site so you can read all the seedy dirt that these guys are pulling off 24/7/365! This isn’t conspiracy theory nonsense, but the here and now.

    You’ll also notice I mentioned earlier that Bush uses an “anti” and not an “un” consitutional pen. There’s a difference. Un-constitutional is law possibly ill-thought law that will eventually be up to interpretation by the highest courts once challenged and will no doubt not pass muster. Bushco’s “anti” constitutional behavior is done with intent and with a “plan” in mind; i.e., law that will never be up to the interpretation by a court at any level since the regular court system will be suspended leaving military tribunals in place. That’s why they shoved through the Military Commissions Act in order to suspend “habeas corpus” too.

    It’s simple under Bushco’s plan for martial law, if targeted you’ll simply drop through a Stalinist trapdoor never to be seen again with absolutely no rights or access to the courts. I have old photo’s of Hawaii being administered via military tribunals during WWII. Even if you had a traffic violation you appeared before a military tribunal for determination of your fine and punishment.

    All I can say is all of their actions are both sneaky and creepy as far as I’m concerned and they do have an agenda! In post #1 I’m urging people to get motiviated before the ultimate damage is done. Once martial law is declared and Congress and the Courts are suspended there will be no going back with the NWO/AIPAC/MIC crowd in control and on a roll.


    Carl Nemo **==

  30. Jenifer D.

    So what’s transpiring here is a deliberate attempt to seize global dominion by a bunch of scofflaws acting as legitimately elected officials; they’ll fail. Napoleon failed, King George III failed, Hitler failed, and so will these hacks.

    Stay tuned and watch the shit hit the fan and splatter all over shrub, his vp toady, and all their drones as they are quietly led away in leg shackles to the nearest mental institution.

  31. gene

    OOPs!!! sorry Carl did not see your reply to (Liberal girl). Was not trying to steal your thunder as though I could. Have a great day!!