How many more Americans must die?

As President George W. Bush continues to claim success in his failed Iraq war, the death toll of Americans dying in that “success” continues to increase.

Eight Americans, along with a British soldier, died Saturday — bringing the four-day death toll for U.S. servicemen to 25 (including one death the Pentagon called a “non-battle” related casualty).

Yet with American military deaths rising at alarming rates, the Bush White House still preaches the fallacy that the “troop surge” in Iraq is working.

In fact, violence in that civil-war ravaged nation spirals out of control and American men and women die for nothing.

Reports the New York Times:

Eight American servicemen and one British soldier were reported today to have been killed in Iraq, bringing the four-day death toll to at least 25 as insurgents continue to use huge roadside bombs to rip through combat vehicles.

The deadliest attack killed four American soldiers in combat operations today at an undisclosed location northwest of Baghdad. Insurgents detonated a roadside bomb near the soldiers’ vehicle. An Iraqi working as an interpreter for the Americans was also wounded.

Though the military did not specify the location of the attack, American forces have been stepping up patrols and other operations in the area immediately northwest of here as part of new offensives to try to bring some control to the insurgent-dominated “belts” around the capital. The area northwest of Baghdad has recently been left largely untouched, American officials say, allowing Sunni militants to use the sparsely populated area as a sanctuary.

Another attack by insurgents — this one a coordinated operation using rifles and at least one bomb — led to the deaths of two American soldiers in eastern Baghdad early today. The soldiers first were attacked with a roadside bomb, then they were fired upon by gunmen, the military said. Three other soldiers were wounded in the attack.

Another American soldier died from a “nonbattle related cause” today. No other details were provided by the military, which said the death was under investigation. An American airman also was killed in Tikrit today when an improvised bomb exploded near his vehicle.

Comments

  1. SEAL

    There is one other thing involved here, too. The democrats are trying to time this thing so that when they take over, the Iraq army will be somewhat capable of beginning the take over of policing. Then they can take credit for the conversion and saving american lives,etc.

    They have pressured Bush into this surge and applying urgent pressure on the Iraq government to get their act together that he is trying to save his legacy with. He won’t be able to accomplish what he hopes but he will lay the grondwork that the democrats can launch the transition from. Bush will look bad and the democrats will be the heros.

    That is what they are attempting to set up. Watch as they keep the pressure on Bush in September when the funding comes up again.

  2. SEAL

    Kent, I agree that there are other reasons for the war. Many things are involved. But in the context of why they are orchestrating these military campaigns like the surge, the only reason is profits for the MIC.

  3. kent shaw

    SEAL wrote: “The only reason they do that is to produce mega-profits for the MIC. The ONLY reason.”

    AND: “I also believe that those controlling the democratic side of congress are profiting from the war in some way. That is the only excuse that makes any sense for them allowing the war to continue.”

    In general SEAL’s message is right on the money. That IS what is going to happen.

    But, in regard to the two quotes I chose, we differ. I do not believe “The ONLY reason” and I do not believe “the only excuse” parts of those excerpts. In addition to the profit motive on both sides of the aisle, I also believe AIPAC/MOSSAD blackmail is involved on both sides.

    Just my humble opinion, and I can’t prove a thing, of course.

    Kent

  4. geyser

    The problem is still the Iraqis. The Soldiers and Police are being sent out into the field, poorly trained, poorly equipted and with a less then gung ho attitude, way less.

    Today in “Time” an article with a reporter speaking with an Insurgent, varified these facts. The Iraqi’s are being put at the Check Points. The Insurgent told the reporter, they were moving freely between Check Points with out being stopped once. He said, as long as you have a Woman or a Child in the car, you will not be stopped. You could have a trunk full of C4 and take it where ever you wanted to go.
    Insurgents have taken over Check points, dress as the Iraqi soldier and stop any car wanting to pass. They will inquire where the car is going, if it’s destination is a Market or Government building, the car is detained. Without the driver knowing the trunk is loaded with C4 and detonator. The car is then okayed to leave. Another car will follow the first car to its destenation, where it is blown up at the discretion of the Insurgent. (A Suicide Bomber is saved for another target.)

    The new trucks that are being made to withstand the roadside explosions, are already obselete. The Insurgents have replaced the explosive being used with a more powerful one. It is ripping through the new trucks like a hot knife through butter. Back to the drawing board.

    If the surge is working, the good news is being kept from us. It is said it’s working but, never told where. We were told the in one town or village the people were helping our soldiers, by informing where the strongholds of the Insurgents are hiding. I never saw a follow up to this, did you?

    Did you hear the latest from Bill O’Rielly? he is very upset with NBC for alloting 15 minutes to the story of allied Aircraft bombing and killing Afghan civilens, women and children among them. Bill must have forgotten that he doesn’t work for NBC. He claims that he gives us the “Good Stuff” like a piece he did about “Having sex while being asleep” the good stuff.

    This war is becoming tidious, our soldiers are being over used as are the equiptment they use. Damn the Democrats for releasing the funds, allowing this war to continue.

    Taking One Day at a Time

  5. Bill Robinson

    Organized Crime IS the US Government. Perfect! Well put. You can consider that as the choice remark of the day.
    Regarding the question of How Many More Americans must die in Iran==the answer is 50,000. Bush won’t quit until he beats Vietnam’s casualty lists.
    Re the issue that cheney is the most powerful VICE president ever–possibly. Re his denial of Geneva Convention rights to prisoners detained from Iraq, I would like to see him captured by terrorists and then watch him claim protection under the Geneva Convention. Chop chop, with a rusty and dull sword.
    He is a disgusting and pathetic murderer. At least Bush can justifiably claim stupidity, Cheney can only say that “I can’t hear you all the way at the bottom of the salt mine.”
    Bill Robinson

  6. SnowCrash7

    AS a retired combat arms NCO with combat experience in Vietnam and elsewhere, it amazes me that anybody would believe that this ‘surge’ is going to produce anything else than more American dead and more Islamic radicals recruited and motivated to join the terrorists cause. Not to mention the training those radicals are getting courtesy of Bush.

    In Vietnam we would go into an area, take casualties, clear it out…then leave. A month or two later we would do it all over again in the very same area. That is exactly what is going on here. It is the nature of guerilla warfare.

    We could flood Iraq with a million troops and the insurgents would only go to ground and regroup. This is truly a waste of our Warriors. As long as we are there Islamic radicals will be motivated to fight and kill Americans, everywhere.

    The politicians in Washington who are allowing Bush to waste American lives in the hope that he can pass off his mess to the next administration have American blood on their hands and their consciences. They should be ashamed. Please contact your reps and demand that our troops be brought home now.

  7. gene

    Raise your hand if you can read this…”ITS OVER PEOPLE”. This nation has shot its wad for the last time and their are many reasons why of which only a few (big ones) is necessary to change our “american dream” into an “american nightmare”.

    Don’t agree…fine…then what about the trillions of dollars in “financial toxic waste” our financial boys have created over the past several years.

    Have you heard of subprime collapse, foreclosures going through the roof, a trillion dollars worth of ARMS reajusting this year and another trillion in 2008 equals millions of families living on the street.

    And what about this nations 9 trillion dollar deficit that was just raised by congress. We pay interest on this miss-spent money to the tune of billions of dollars each day. And then our trade deficit (close to a trillion dollars this year) hell if not more, God what a joke. We (this nation) produce little so we import from everywhere on the planet (china especially) and we pay for their goods with our soon to be worth NOTHING dollar.

    If you believe the numbers this gov puts out to represent this nations financial health then you are very missled. Its like the stock market, for the most part a scam with the P/E ratio created to draw in more suckers. Just like all the world suckers that buy US Treasury bills. The good old USofA has to sale billions of this worthless paper everday to foreign investors (who like to throw their money away)..laughing..just to keep the “american dream” (laughing agian) alive.

    Most americans are clueless to the fact that this nation is bankrupt a thousand times over and soon the world will not accept our worthless paper in exchange for their goods we use everyday. We shut down our factories because the american worker priced himself out of the market. In other words our living standards have been to high for to long.

    How does all this relate to Iraq, well put the two together with a white house and congress made up of criminals, add to that clueless citizens and….wa-la…WE ARE FINISHED!!!!!

  8. kent shaw

    For sure. Let us play politics while our precious soldiers continue to DIE in ever increasing numbers. The following is a letter written by my friend Tim, a partially disabled (deafness due to a bomb detonation the other side of the tree that saved his life) Vietnam combat veteran. It appeared recently in the Harrisburg, PA, Patriot-News.

    ‘The Surge’
    Tuesday, June 19, 2007

    It’s time Americans gave President Bush’s plan, “The Surge,” time to work. A few dead GIs today, a few tomorrow and the next day and the next, but who’s counting?

    President Nixon had a secret plan for ending the Vietnam War and that worked, didn’t it? So maybe he filled a few cemeteries with dead soldiers and committed war crimes in Cambodia. Let’s not get technical.

    The day will come when the Islamists will see the wisdom of “The Surge.” The Shia will hug their Sunni brothers. The Kurds will be given territory from Turkey and Iran to form their own country. The Syrians will stop objecting to the Israeli bombing of people in Lebanon.

    American oil companies will start pumping all that wonderful Iraqi crude instead of French, Chinese and Russian oil companies, the way Saddam had it figured. And Osama bin Laden will throw his Quran into a camp fire and become a Quaker.

    So relax and stop counting body bags. You don’t see the congressional Democrats objecting, do you? We can easily set aside more land for cemeteries while “The Surge” has its intended effect.

    Timothy M.
    Monroe Township

  9. SEAL

    Snowcrash7 said it. The operation they are conducting in Iraq cannot produce anything other than death to both sides. The Iraqis will never stop fighting us. It is their country and we are the infidel invaders. Added to that is al Quida promoting it as a holy war. The Iraqis have no fear of death and will fight for their country and their religion to the very last man, woman, and child.

    Bushco knows this so they deliberately plan and launch any military campaign that will fuel the conflict. The only reason they do that is to produce mega-profits for the MIC. The ONLY reason. All of those at the top of the administration and congress have [hidden] vested interests in the MIC and are making huge amounts of money from this war.

    I find it impossible to believe that the democrats do not know this, also. All of them. I also believe that those controlling the democratic side of congress are profiting from the war in some way. That is the only excuse that makes any sense for them allowing the war to continue. Otherwise, any member of congress would consider it their duty to cut off the funds and stop it. And it only makes sense that it is those “career” members who are in control that would be profiting from it.

    Myself and the others here with military backgrounds see Iraq as Vietnam all over again. And the results would be the same if we pulled out today or anytime later. The toughest and smartest Iraqi SOB would wind up ruling the country and hating us. That’s why we will not leave.

    No matter which political party is in charge we are in Iraq to stay. We will eventually be able to turn over the “policing” of the country to the Iraqi military which will dramatically reduce the violence and they will eradicate alQuida from the country. Our forces will be established in permanent bases to back up them and insure our puppet government that has already given the oil magnates a contract for 70% of the Iraq oil. It’s the oil stupid. Plus the realization of the neocon dream of having a major US military force smack dab in the middle of all those “terrorist” nations.

    That is what is going to happen.