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Feds probe security lapses in terror suspect arrest

By AFP
May 5, 2010

Bombing suspect Faisal Shahzad (AFP)

The government Tuesday probed how the Pakistani-American suspect in the failed New York car bombing was able to board a plane in an escape bid — despite apparently being on a no-fly list.

Faisal Shahzad was sitting on an Emirates Airlines flight on Monday night in New York as it headed towards the runway, when the plane was slowed at the last minute and he was pulled off the aircraft by security personnel.

Reports said Shahzad had been put on a no-fly list in the frenzied hours before his arrest, as investigators struggled to close a net after picking up a treasure trove of clues left by the failed attack on Saturday night.

Asked whether the airline had possibly erred by allowing Shahzad onto the aircraft, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said: “that’s part of the investigation we’re looking.”

“I think it’s important to understand that the system is built with necessary and built-in redundancy.”

That system allows for US Customs and Border Patrol to examine a flight manifest after it has been cleared by a carrier to double check if any suspicious passengers had been let onto the plane.

Gibbs however declined to offer details about the no-fly list system, saying to do so might aid people that wanted to outwit the redundancies in the system.

He did say however, that even had the flight been airborne, that US officials had the authority to order the pilot to turn around and land, with a suspicious passenger on board.

“There’s a series of built-in redundancies, this being one of them, where Customs and Border Patrol checks a locked manifest to ensure that, again, if there’s a mistake by a carrier, it can be double-checked,” Gibbs said.

Earlier on Tuesday, New York mayor Michael Bloomberg criticized the fact that Shahzad had managed to clear security at John F. Kennedy airport.

“I don’t want to speculate how that happened. Clearly the guy was on the plane and shouldn’t have been,” Bloomberg said.

Emirates said in a statement that its flight EK 202 (from New York to Dubai on May 3)… “was called back by the local authorities prior to departure. Three passengers were removed from the flight,” Emirates Airlines said.

“Full security procedures were activated, including the deplaning of all passengers and a thorough screening of the aircraft, passengers, and baggage. Emirates is cooperating with the local authorities,” it said in a statement.

The three passengers were escorted from the aircraft by “US authorities,” a spokeswoman for the carrier, which is based in the Gulf city-state, told AFP without elaborating.

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13 Responses to Feds probe security lapses in terror suspect arrest

  1. woody188

    May 5, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Anyone know if ICTS via Huntleigh does screening at JFK?

    If so, that would put the Israeli firm at all the recent terrorist attempts on our planes.

    • woody188

      May 5, 2010 at 11:15 am

      Excuse me, Netherlands registered, Israeli owned.

  2. Guardhouse lawyer

    May 5, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Shahzad’s name went on the nofly list four hours before the plane was opened for boarding. The regulations required the airlines to update their data bases within 24 hours of being notified that there were changes.

    Another budding conspiracy theory goes aglimmering.

    • woody188

      May 5, 2010 at 1:19 pm

      So what do you suppose the other 2 people were removed for?

    • woody188

      May 5, 2010 at 1:44 pm

      Also, you may have missed the agent provacateur at the Kent State shootings some 40 years ago. But you know, that is just a conspiracy theory, er, now fact, just like the attack of the Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin, the explosion of the Maine at Havana, Cuba, the Lusitania secretly transporting 6 million pounds of artillery shells and rifle ammunition, the daughter of Kuwaiti US ambassador played nurse on TV and testified to “witnessing” Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait, and it goes on and on and on.

      • Guardhouse lawyer

        May 5, 2010 at 3:48 pm

        Conspiracy? Pish tosh.

        • Carl Nemo

          May 6, 2010 at 1:35 am

          ‘Pish tosh’…wut da f*ck!? Are you a dude or a dudette G-Lawyer?

          You remind me of a poster that had the same M.O. as yourself some time back; ie., a woman with the handle of Gazelle 1929. Your incessant hissy fits over commentary, conspiracy theory and just about anything else that’s posted here along with your obsession to correct others is quite tedious to say the least.

          How about posting some original material of your own without simply parasitizing others’ posts with the intent to dispute their claims while busting their chops? It’s the “tenor” or your posts that’s an annoyance not only to myself, but no doubt to many fellow site members too.

          We’re not enemies here, but simply folks that have a difference of opinion. No one wins or gets to put their boot on the neck of their opponent then canvas the crowd for a thumbs up or down concerning their disposition as to who’s right or wrong… : |

          Carl Nemo **==

          • Guardhouse lawyer

            May 6, 2010 at 9:27 am

            What? You didn’t like the proposed Const. amendment I set forth the other day? As far as I can remember you didn’t even comment one way or another on it. What’s up with that? Show me what you have come up with that is that original.

            You dislike that I expose bald-faced crap ? You dislike that I shine the light of truth on the lies, distortions, half-truths and other BS that people throw around here as if they were preaching gospel truth?

            Good example in THIS thread:

            Woody tried to implicate something called ICTS as some sort of conspirator who was “at all the recent terrorist attempts on our planes.” Why the hell would an Israeli firm want to facilitate the departure of a terrorist from out shores, particularly when that terrorist was heading back into the Israeli neck of the woods? Anyone with a whit of common sense would think that the Israelis would be the last people on earth to help a terrorist.

            I pointed out truth and get crap about the Kent State shooting as if that had some sort of magical connection to the present. And then he added the already-disproved crap about 6 million “pounds” of ammunition on the Lusitania. What’s up with that?

            As to the Nurse Nayirah incident, that was an egregious example of another government’s (Kuwait) tattempt to use US public opinion to influence the US Government. They hired a PR firm. They brought in a ringer. They got a 15-year-old girl to lie through her teeth to Congress. You can look it up. What does that contribute to discussions of conspiracy theories? All that post was good for was trying to throw a deception up to obfuscate the truth that I presented. The agent provacateur in this was Woody, who was attempting to somehow implicate an Israeli firm in the circumstances of attacks on the US. That is, at best, misleading and at worst completely dishonest.

            No one here is holding a gun to your head making you read what I post. If you do not like the tenor of my posts you are perfectly free not to read them. My handle appears right at the top of the post so when you see it just ignore it. Won’t bother me at all.

            People who accept as gospel most of the sort of s–t that goes down here are nothing more than ditto-heads. Many of you sit around and congratulate each other on how stunningly erudite you are and then you pounce on and excoriate anyone who disagrees with you.

            Well, I am going to continue to disagree, not because I am a disagreeable person, but because I am allergic to bulls–t.

    • woody188

      May 5, 2010 at 1:44 pm

      Also, you may have missed the agent provocateur at the Kent State shootings some 40 years ago. But you know, that is just a conspiracy theory, er, now fact, just like the attack of the Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin, the explosion of the Maine at Havana, Cuba, the Lusitania secretly transporting 6 million pounds of artillery shells and rifle ammunition, the daughter of Kuwaiti US ambassador played nurse on TV and testified to “witnessing” Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait, and it goes on and on and on.

      • Almandine

        May 5, 2010 at 9:04 pm

        Some folks just can’t take the world at face value.

        John Conley said it best.

  3. woody188

    May 6, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    I’d still like to know what happened to the other 2 individuals that were removed from the plane and why they were removed.

  4. Carl Nemo

    May 6, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Hi G-Lawyer,

    “Well, I am going to continue to disagree, not because I am a disagreeable person, but because I am allergic to bulls–t.” …extract from post

    I can see you didn’t get the drift of my complaint. Your thought processes are fine and your refutations are welcome, but it’s your rude tone while engaged in the process. We can all disagree, but still have the simple courtesy without the value-added comments; ie, calling or alluding fellow posters are dittoheads, bullsh*tters etc.

    Whether you realize it or not we are blessed with a lot fine people who post to this site and have been here for quite some time regardless of their positions on the issues. I read everything posted to this site. I’m not targeting you per se. I comment to articles that interest me or have merit. On occasion I compliment my fellow posters not simply because they might agree with me on a position, but also concerning the quality of their postings. A sincere compliment from you or mutually between others on occasion might be an appropriate recipe for getting along. Rest assured I will continue to read your posts for better or worse.

    I did read your proposal for a Constitutional Amendment and the exchange between yourself and logtroll. Of course the idea has merit and is long overdue, but this site is not the springboard for launching and then publicly supporting such movements. The web already has a plethora of sites dedicated to petitions and movements on issues. This is simply a news forum that graciously allows the public to comment in a respectful fashion on news items of the day. Disagreement is welcome, but not the venom.

    Peace…? : )

    Carl Nemo **==

  5. woody188

    May 8, 2010 at 2:11 am

    Dear Mr. lawyer,

    Why the hell would an Israeli firm want to facilitate the departure of a terrorist from out shores, particularly when that terrorist was heading back into the Israeli neck of the woods? Anyone with a whit of common sense would think that the Israelis would be the last people on earth to help a terrorist.

    Please see the attack on the USS Liberty where Israel attacked a US ship and tried to pin it on Egypt to get the USA into a conflict with Egypt. Mossad are experts at false flag events.

    Why would they do it this time?

    Anyone with a whit of common sense would know it was to encourage more action in the regional war currently brewing in the Middle East. Or had you forgotten?

    And I think the point was he wasn’t supposed to escape but be caught and blamed as happened. Anyone with a whit of common sense knows Israel is one of the worst terrorist states out there. They have ghettos (West Bank, Gaza) where they practice genocide and they have unregulated weapons of mass destruction.

    I pointed out truth and get crap about the Kent State shooting as if that had some sort of magical connection to the present.

    Reveals a history of government deceit. Building my case, so to speak. Shows the government does not tell the truth, and that they will provoke aggressive confrontation via subterfuge. I’d say it’s absolutely pertinent.

    And then he added the already-disproved crap about 6 million “pounds” of ammunition on the Lusitania. What’s up with that?

    From NPR:

    In his hands lie pieces of history: seven gleaming rounds of .303 ammunition, probably made by Remington in America and intended for the British Army. Ammunition that for decades British and American officials said didn’t exist. Yet all around Andrews are mountains of jumbled rifle cartridges that glint like pirate’s treasure in the robot’s light.

    So is Guardhouse lawyer wrong, or is NPR wrong and these guys never found any ammunition with the Lusitania?

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist (or a conspiracy theorist) to see Guardhouse lawyer is lying or perhaps just severely mistaken. Maybe he hasn’t a whit of common sense?

    You dislike that I expose bald-faced crap ? You dislike that I shine the light of truth on the lies, distortions, half-truths and other BS that people throw around here as if they were preaching gospel truth?

    I believe this is called projecting in psychology. You like to take attributes of your own personality and put them on others. Don’t worry, you can get help.

    They got a 15-year-old girl to lie through her teeth to Congress. You can look it up. What does that contribute to discussions of conspiracy theories?

    Only everything. I wonder how the mainstream US media failed to tell this story after the first invasion of Iraq. Guess lying to get us into a war isn’t news worthy. Kind of like that conspiracy theory that a bunch Muslims in caves half the world away are a threat to the United States.

    No one here is holding a gun to your head making you read what I post. If you do not like the tenor of my posts you are perfectly free not to read them. My handle appears right at the top of the post so when you see it just ignore it. Won’t bother me at all.

    So don’t reply to my posts because it won’t bother me at all. But don’t come throwing stones and then cry when we shatter your glass house. You came with the stick, you get the stick.

    People who accept as gospel most of the sort of s–t that goes down here are nothing more than ditto-heads. Many of you sit around and congratulate each other on how stunningly erudite you are and then you pounce on and excoriate anyone who disagrees with you.

    Really, us folks that post on here that don’t talk any where else and still make many of the same conclusions about the fascist turn in our government are ditto-heads?
    You start with the pouncing and then cry when you get pounced upon?
    Poor baby!

    Well, I am going to continue to disagree, not because I am a disagreeable person, but because I am allergic to bulls–t.

    Then we must ask how do you live with yourself?