Democrats unveil immigration reform plan

Latin pop star Shakira protests Arizona immigration law (AFP)

Senate Democrats blasted Arizona’s “wronghearted” new immigration law as they unveiled a plan to give the nation’s 11 million undocumented workers a long, winding path to citizenship.

Lawmakers said the southwestern border state’s crackdown grew out of frustration that Washington has not fixed US immigration policy, causing a glut of undocumented immigrants but leaving a shortage of workers in key areas.

That flawed policy “has plagued our country for too long,” said Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who urged Republicans to “work with us to fix this broken system.”

The blueprint, which won immediate White House backing and swift Republican condemnation, calls for securing US borders first, and attracting temporary workers and high-skill legal immigrants, like aspiring doctors or scientists.

It would create a high-tech, national identity card to prove legal work status and punish US employers with stiff fines and, for repeat offenders, jail time, if they knowingly employ illegal workers.

And it would map a path for qualified undocumented workers, after an eight-year wait, to gain permanent, legal resident status — a critical stepping stone towards becoming a naturalized US citizen.

They would first have to register with the government, pay taxes and perhaps fines, pass an English-language proficiency and a criminal background check, and wait behind current applications for legal residency.

“Our framework is fix the border first, but don’t just fix the border,” said Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer, who stressed that “no matter what we do on the border” US jobs will draw undocumented immigrants.

The announcement came as Arizona’s crackdown, which critics say enshrines racial profiling, faced threats of court challenges and the state confronted a national campaign to boycott its exports and tourism industry.

That new law allows police to question and detain anyone they believe may be in the United States illegally, even if they are not suspected of committing another crime.

It also requires anyone in the state suspected of being an undocumented immigrant to show a document proving their legal status, like a “green card” permanent residency document or a passport.

“The fact that we do not have a good strong federal immigration law has now engendered a disproportional and counterproductive response in Arizona, which has passed a new law that is both ineffective and wronghearted,” said Schumer.

Few analysts predict Congress will pass an overhaul ahead of November mid-term elections, with US unemployment near 10 percent, and anger at an estimated 10.8 million undocumented immigrants in a nation of about 309 million people.

But Hispanic voters — one of the fastest-growing segments of the electorate — have flexed their political muscle of behalf of an undocumented population that chiefly hails from Latin America.

Reid, who faces an uphill reelection fight and has courted Hispanics in his home state of Nevada, did not repeat a previous promise to pass a comprehensive immigration overhaul through the Senate this year.

And any proposal would need Republican support to clear the US Senate, a tall order in Washington’s superheated partisan political climate after Republican Senator Lindsey Graham withdrew from talks with Schumer.

Graham and Republican Senator Jon Kyl condemned the Democratic proposal as “nothing more than an attempt to score political points” and warned it “poisons the well” for future bipartisan immigration overhaul proposals.

President Barack Obama welcomed the plan and stressed: “We can no longer wait to fix our broken immigration system, which Democrats and Republicans alike agree doesn’t work.”

The new Democratic plan calls for recruiting “thousands” of new customs agents and the creation of a new force to help the US Border Patrol, which has some 20,000 in its ranks.

It also calls for new points of entry in the roughly 3,200-kilometer (2,000-mile) border, with nearly one-third of the frontier now fenced.

The blueprint urges an overhaul of the temporary work visa process, making it easier for foreign graduates of US universities with a firm employment offer in the United States.

35 Responses to "Democrats unveil immigration reform plan"

  1. woody188  April 30, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    So the plan is to raise costs and expand government?

    • woody188  April 30, 2010 at 11:27 pm

      Oh and don’t forget the draconian “show us your papers” national identity card. Or should we call it the NWO card. Funny, I thought that was one of the things they didn’t like about the Arizona law.

      • paulb6  May 1, 2010 at 5:23 pm

        Listen lib, people are sick and tired of crying hearts like you who don’t have to work or live with or near them. If you love the thieves, perverts, and all other crimes you can think, go live with them and become a felon like 10% of them. You are a damn fool and your views are sickening.

        • woody188  May 1, 2010 at 11:53 pm

          I think perhaps you have missed my sarcasm. I was only trying to point out the irony of how we can’t make illegals show papers when requested by law enforcement but instead the Democrats plan to make all of us show a national ID card to be employed. Their fix seems worse than the Arizona law they all cried was racist.

          I lived next to about 24 Mexicans in a 2-bedroom apartment. I don’t know what there legal status was, but they never followed the apartment rules and were eventually told to leave by management.

  2. Almandine  May 1, 2010 at 8:59 am

    The plan is always to expand govt.

  3. Bill  May 1, 2010 at 11:36 am

    I have nothing against LEGAL immigration. The fair way to do this is to require the person that is wanting to immigrate to have to follow the same rules as if an American wanted to immigrate to their country. I have nothing against Mexico, but I am going to use that country for an example.
    An American wishing to immigrate to Mexico must
    meet the following conditions.

    1. No criminal record (any criminal record
    and Mexico will not accept you as an immigrant)

    2. A pre-arranged place to live in Mexico

    3. 5 years guaranteed income of $1000/month
    for each pensioner and $500/month for each dependent

    4. You must promise not to take any job in Mexico

    5. You must provide your own health care insurance

    6. You must supply a doctor’s statement certifying that
    you do not have any communicable diseases (such
    as TB, AIDS, syphilis, etc.

    6. You are not allowed to own any Mexican real estate

    7. You must translate any documents requested by the
    Mexican Immigration office into Spanish at your own expense.

    Any non-Mexican caught crossing the southern border into
    Mexico will be beaten and or shot. Illegal immigrants to Mexico
    who survive apprehension by the Mexican Federales will serve
    several years in prison at hard labor and then be expelled from Mexico.

    Perhaps the US should implement reciprocity and apply to Mexican
    immigrants the same conditions that Mexico applies to immigrants.

    Just why is Mexican Government exhorting its citizens to migrate to
    the US anyways? What would happen to the Mexican Government
    if the US weren’t available as a dumping ground for surplus Mexicans?”

    • paulb6  May 1, 2010 at 5:26 pm

      Thank you Bill, you hit the nail on the head. One other thing about the illegals, they commit crimes ten times more frequently then americans, look at the national jail stats.

    • Carl Nemo  May 1, 2010 at 5:50 pm

      Thanks Bill for the research and the post. This is a prime example as to how other nation’s protect their sovereignty and nation from interlopers while the U.S. has degenerated into nothing but a “doormat” nation for everyone on the planet. We’re being exploited and abused while our leadership continues business as usual.

      We can thank our paid off crimpols in D.C. for implementing and supporting this ongoing rape of our nation since the days of the Reagan/H.W. Bush administration to present. It’s an example of globalism gone wild with the U.S. being the poster child for what’s wrong with this lobsided paradigm.

      Btw, many if not most other nations on earth have both restrictive and rigidly enforced immigration laws such as Mexico. They are not alone except they happen to be the problem on our southern border. We don’t have to round up Canadians do we? They have no reason to come down to the lower 48. If anything most Canadians feel sorry for the U.S. as they witness us go down the NWO, globalist rat hole to oblivion as a nation. Canadian family members of mine look upon the U.S. as a failing “slum”. Seemingly they are correct in their assessment

      Carl Nemo **==

      • woody188  May 1, 2010 at 11:48 pm

        Well Carl the joke is on them. Last I checked, NORTHCOM controlled Canada’s territory and military and they will be integrated with the rest of us into one global system of government. Canadians better wise up real quick.

        • Carl Nemo  May 2, 2010 at 12:32 am

          Hi Woody188,

          I’m aware of NORTHCOM and the plans to integrate Canada if the plan for a “North American Union” comes to pass. Lately, I’m beginning to think their plans for such will unravel and if anything the U.S. will end up balkanized.

          My point is that they are living a better quality of life than we are in this country. These referenced family members are on my wife’s side and everytime we go to B.C. and Alberta I feel ever so relaxed as if I’ve gone back thirty years in time.

          It’s a clean, functional, operable nation that also doesn’t suffer from our population density. Canada’s population is 34 million as opposed to our 300 million plus. The land and inland waterway area of the U.S. is 3,536,294 sq mi of land and water 181,519 sq mi. Canada is somewhat larger with 3,855,100 sq mi of land and 344,080 sq mi. Canada is slightly less than three-fifths as large as Russia, nearly 1.2 times larger than Australia, slightly larger than Europe, and more than 40 times larger than the UK. In total area, Canada is slightly larger than both the U.S. and China combined…extracted from CIA Factbook and Wiki.

          One thing for sure they aren’t interested in heading south to the lower 48 and the climate is too cold to encourage Hispanics wanting to live there as a function of illegal border crossings.

          Here are links to NORTHCOM explaining their mission etc. The way the U.S. is rushing headlong into national insolvency, our military is going to end up rusting by the side of the road and the docks just like the former Soviet Union after its fall. One advantage for Canadians is they have the U.S. military to protect their air space and land mass without them having to go broke doing so. American taxpayers are protecting Canada and North America as a whole. It’s just the luck of the draw for them that land based ICBM’s reenter the atmosphere over the pole.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Northern_Command

          http://www.northcom.mil/

          Thanks for your input as always. : )

          Carl Nemo **==

        • Carl Nemo  May 2, 2010 at 3:01 am

          Hi Woody188,

          I went to the NORTHCOM web page and read the NCOM-Commander’s blog of April 28. 2010 blog entry to the effect that training must be modified, evidently to fall in line with a pinched budget.

          http://www.northcom.mil/nncblog/

          There’s a reply post in moderation concerning your comment about Canada best be prepared for annexation under the NAU (North American Union) reorganization of the Western hemisphere. Hopefully it will pass muster to be posted in the AM.

          Carl Nemo **==

          • woody188  May 2, 2010 at 1:11 pm

            Don’t know Carl, but once they integrated Canadian air space under NORAD that was probably the end of Canadian sovereignty.

  4. Bogofree  May 2, 2010 at 8:15 am

    In Massachusetts there is quite a menu of handouts given to illegals and that was recently upheld in a House vote that narrowly passed. Hey, Obama’s aunt is a beneficiary since she is here on our dime. This is just one portion of the mindset of providing an alternative life style to a wide range of folks who have contributed little to society. Through the decades I have seen all the emotionally blathering and the ever expanding social initiatives to address these issues and all have failed. Goes deeper than illegals since we also have managed to provide for our own domestic variety. Guess I have no “compassion.” Maybe I’m a “racist?”

    • Almandine  May 2, 2010 at 9:32 pm

      Politicall incorrect, at a minimum.

      Ho hum…

  5. Bill  May 2, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    @ bogofree People have called me a racist before and I just look at them and tell them” I am not a racist I hate everybody equally.”

  6. Almandine  May 3, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT.…

    IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

    IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

    IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

    IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

    IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

    IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

    IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

    IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET A JOB, A DRIVERS LICENSE, A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, CREDIT CARDS, SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE, FREE EDUCATION, FREE HEALTH CARE, A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE, THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT.

    AND, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE!

    I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION.

    • Carl Nemo  May 3, 2010 at 2:33 pm

      I see you have a firm grasp of the situation Almandine. : ) The question is: can we somehow improve the situation for these wretched souls as to how we handle their disposition based on current immigration laws?

      *****

      “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teaming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” …”New Collosus” by Emma Lazarus, words on the base of the Statue of Liberty

      *****

      Immigration was quite loose and goosey in the early days of this nation due to the fact there were no computers or cross-referencing of criminal records etc. You arrived, you were quarantined, your name “anglicized” then turned loose on the streets of New York or to whever you went if you had relatives in this country. Documentation was minimal and people weren’t even fingerprinted. In fact it was so loose that for all practical purposes it was only a dithering above someone crashing the gate at our southern borders then moving out onto the landscape. The early one’s came by boat, later by air and now on foot.

      Obviously our Congressional reps at the behest of their shadowy corporate controllers; ie, greedy, pirate capitalist businessmen see these hoards of illegals as simply a pool of very cheap labor for their various enterprises. It got out of control post the Reagan/H.W. Bush era ever-increasing to present. Only the downturn in the economy post the last quarter 2008 housing bust many illegals to return to Mexico due to the fact there are fewer jobs in construction, but not necessarily the service sector. Seemingly our government refuses to prosecute businesses for hiring illegals in a serious fashion.

      There are solutions and it calls for a modernization and strict enforcement of our immigration laws. I could post a host of suggestions as I’ve done so before, but its of no use at this point in the game. Why so? The U.S. is unraveling before our eyes and immigration is only part of the problem. Our greatest threat at this point is looming national insolvency along with the shadow of inflation to hyperinflation stalking the land. Our government is seemingly intransigent when it comes to a plan for extricating ourselves from Iraq and Afghanistan; ie., continuing to pitch vast sums of debt money down these two irresolvable rat holes. They refuse to operate our government within our means by slapping astronomical, unpayable debt upon this nation. Every crimpol sitting in Congress is operating in a politically expedient mode with a to hell with the nation and the well-being of our citizens attitude.

      Carl Nemo **==

    • Guardhouse lawyer  May 3, 2010 at 4:24 pm

      “IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET A JOB, A DRIVERS LICENSE, A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, CREDIT CARDS, SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE, FREE EDUCATION, FREE HEALTH CARE, A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE, THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT.”

      You cannot be serious. You don’t really believe all that crap, do you? Why do you people all do the right-wing knee jerk dance every time someone mentions an Hispanic?

      I think you are wrong on most counts.

      Driver’s license, perhaps, but so what.

      Social Security card:

      Generally, only noncitizens authorized to work in the United States by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) can get a Social Security number.

      Welfare:

      What you are saying is not true. Illegal immigrants cannot get welfare:

      http://blogs.chron.com/immigration/archives/2008/01/post_80.html

      Food stamps:

      According to the GAO, only American citizens can get food stamps, but that does include children born in the US to non-citizen parents:

      http://www.gao.gov/products/HEHS-98-30

      Credit cards:

      That one is just too blanking stupid for me to waste time researching.

      Subsidized rent or loans to buy houses:

      I could not find anything that proved such rent or loans went to illegal immigrants. I challenge you to back up your statement.

      Free education:

      Yes, the kids go to school. Yes, most of them are citizens though their parents may not be. What are you going to do, create another generation of uneducated citizens? You are going to deny a US citizen a right to an education because of someone else’s illegal activity?

      Free health care:

      Emergency medicine, yes, but what are you going to do, let them bleed to death outside the ER? Compassionate conservatism just might be the ultimate oxymoron.

      A lobbyist in Washington:

      I have not the slightest idea what this is about, just as I have no idea what this is about billions of dollars worth of documents in other languages.

      Carrying another country’s flag?

      So flipping what? I am a citizen and I can carry any damned flag I want to. Are you going to deny freedom of expression to someone because he doesn’t speak your language?

      And they get to vote?

      Where do you get this crap? You know as well as I do that non-citizens may neither register to vote nor vote in the US. Why do you try to peddle this shit? Your estimation of the IQ level of the readers here is WAY low if you think you can spread this crap across a page and expect us to believe it.

      Oh, by the way, I found the web site where you took your all-caps tirade from without changing one letter of it. Next time spare us the shouting and just put in a URL, would you?

      • Almandine  May 4, 2010 at 11:32 am

        So it was a cut-and-paste email… BFD.

        It was just to make the point that US citizens pay thru the nose for “people doing jobs Americans won’t do”.

        Your reply is mostly based on federal largesse or lack thereof. Many state govts (Cal and Az in particular) are going broke providing such services. BoA gives credit cards.

        Illegal voting in Az occurs regularly.

        • Guardhouse lawyer  May 4, 2010 at 5:21 pm

          IF California and Arizona are going broke catering to illegal aliens (which I do not believe is true) then they need to stop doing that. Or else they need to recognize that they want to do that and are therefore willing to pay for it. Local solutions for local problems.

          “BofA gives credit cards.” Paris Hilton gives good * ** * *. Just how does either one have any impact on our paying through the nose for “people doing jobs Americans won’t do.”

          “Illegal voting in Az occurs regularly.”

          I do not believe this. Certainly there are always going to be a few people who register to vote illegally, but as a trend or a problem? I don’t think so.

          On the contrary, it might well be that the reason for this new law in Arizona is to scare off legal voters:

          http://www.disinfo.com/2010/04/is-voter-suppression-behind-arizonas-anti-illegal-immigration-law/

          But I do not think you will be able to show me any reputable information that shows that there is a significant problem with illegal voters in Arizona or anywhere else in the US for that matter.

          It’s a pretty good rule of thumb that illegal aliens in the US want to remain out of sight and out of mind. The most certain way for them to pop up into view is to register to vote. Only a really dumb alien is gonna do that, and the street smarts of the average Hispanic alien in the US is way up there. They KNOW how to survive.

          But I will be glad to look at any credible information you have to the contrary. So far I haven’t seen any.

  7. woody188  May 3, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Check out this sign.

    • Guardhouse lawyer  May 3, 2010 at 8:18 pm

      Blow the picture up to about 400 percent and look at the dithering around the letters. That is obviously photoshopped.

      But by God if we tell the big lie often enough people will come to believe it. And you are doing exactly that.

      • Carl Nemo  May 3, 2010 at 8:53 pm

        Good observation Guardhouse lawyer. In fact a man in the foreground is gripping the handle for the sign in black text whereas the one in red that was p-shopped seems to be just pasted into the photo below the hand held sign with no visible means of support. Also close analysis of the print shows subtle differences in the lettering for certain characters; ie, upper vs. lower sign in red.

        Carl Nemo **==

      • woody188  May 3, 2010 at 9:58 pm

        You seem to be confusing the dithering of low resolution jpegs that dark text will produce. Look it up here and note the far right “Pat K” which is exactly the same as in that photo due to compression, not tampering. This photo came from a reliable source that has been proven right in the past.

        What, no comment on the riot?

        Ignore the big lie long enough and it will go away?

        You are doing exactly that.

        • Guardhouse lawyer  May 4, 2010 at 8:08 am

          1. What reliable source? If you look around on the web you find three or four different stories about the origin of the picture, including one that says the police took it. No one is coming forth to take credit for it. If the police had taken the picture don’t you think they would have come forward proudly to show it off? And if that guy REALLY had that sign at that rally don’t you think there would have been ten or twelve other pictures of it?

          2. As to the “pro-illegal immigrant riot” to which you referred. Bull s–t. May 1 is the anarchists’ day to break bad in the streets. It has nothing to do with the issue of illegal immigration. It’s all about “F*** the system.” You know that. You are ignoring that because it does not fit in with what you want us to believe, namely that the mainstream media is feeding us a line of bull.

          Nothing could be farther from the truth.

          http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/about/mayday.html

          http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20100504/NEWS/305040032

          This also from that newspaper:

          http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=B0&Dato=20100503&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=305030052&Ref=PH

          Take a loot at the arrestees. OH MY GOD! They are all white! They all have non-Hispanic names. These illegal immigrants are getting so good they are changing not only their names but their skin colors. DOOMED! We are all DOOMED!

          I am not ignoring the big lie, Woody. I am exposing it.

          People need to start using common sense instead of raw emotions when evaluating things that are presented to them.

      • woody188  May 3, 2010 at 10:05 pm

        Another way you can tell from the same image, look at the logo on the dark blue ball cap, look at the American flags, look at the logo on the guy with the black ball cap, look at the bumper sticker or sash on the woman behind him. Or will you claim these have all been photo-shopped too?

        • Carl Nemo  May 3, 2010 at 10:21 pm

          On my behalf Woody, I’m saying the demonstration and the overall photo is genuine, but it’s the incongruity I see when comparing the upper black lettered sign and the red lettered one below it. I’ve converted the images to both .gif and .tiff format then enlarged the images many times. There’s simply no evidence of a seam between the two posters and they are of different size on the same stick. To me it seems that someone gave some value added to the demonstration with the reference to killing cops by modifying the original photo with the content found on the red sign. Maybe I’m wrong, but something doesn’t seem quite right.

          No big deal. I surely get the message from these angry people. What they’d prefer is for the U.S. to give back Arizona, New Mexico and South Texas and California to Mexico. Then they just might be happy. Of course the Mexican government won’t do any better for them even if they were given all their territory back. It would be business as usual with them still encroaching northward no different than Africanized killer bees…no? / : |

          Carl Nemo **==

          • woody188  May 3, 2010 at 11:31 pm

            My point was that it is evenly dithered across the image which indicates it is legitimate. I can see the different colored paper where it overlaps on the sign on my 21.5″ iMac. I couldn’t see it as well on my 15″ Toshiba laptop running Windows XP.

            You are right. It does not really matter. Killing cops would only work against illegal immigrants in the long run. That fellow may not even know what the sign says. One of his buddies might be messing with him. We hardly ever know what really goes on in this world.

      • b mcclellan  May 4, 2010 at 11:14 pm

        Give us all that Magruder footage and we can blow up L.B .J. and Nixon again, YEE HAA.
        Lets all visit a tourist trap next door.
        The klaxon call summons beyond obtainable liberty with the price of the willing.
        Hear it ?

  8. Carl Nemo  May 4, 2010 at 1:39 am

    Hi Woody188,

    I guess my eight year old HP Mx75 17 inch CRT monitor explains my mistaken forensics…no? : ))

    Carl Nemo **==

    • woody188  May 4, 2010 at 3:12 am

      The power savings alone justifies the upgrade to an LCD. Go forth and stimulate the economy!

      • Carl Nemo  May 4, 2010 at 12:15 pm

        I know Woody, but I’m “tight as a drum” and have an aversion to pitching out equipment that’s still functional unless the cost vs. benefit makes sense. My PUD supplies cheap power compared to the rest of the nation and contrary to belief, power cannot be saved from the grid unless it’s stored in batteries.

        Also my favorite cat likes to sit up on the computer desk and give me inspiration as I write. I can see the big guy somehow turning over a lightweight monitor. He yawns if the material is mediocre, gives me a bury the scat routine when it doesn’t pass muster and a double blink when it’s OK by his superb kittirary standards. : D

        Nemo **==

  9. Eve  May 4, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Of course Hispanics are going to be angry about being denied entry in the US.
    Lucky for them, Congress is keeping the borders wide-open.

    Who suffers? As always … the US populace.
    You either stop the flood or you’ll drown.

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