Hawaii to birthers: Enough already

Obama's birth certificate: Truth doesn't matter to birther movement

Hawaii’s legislature, fed up with constant demands from the so-called “birthers” movement for multiple copies of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, moved Tuesday to allow the state to ignore future requests.

The birthers, driven by right-wing extremism and racism, claim Obama is not a natural-born American citizen — a requirement to run for President. Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino has twice confirmed that Hawaii birth records prove Obama was born in Hawaii to a Kenyan father and American mother.

Obama’s birth record has also been verified by independent news sources and other agencies but this has not stopped the birthers from sending in 10 to 20 emails a week demanding copies of the birth certificate.

The new law creates an exemption in the state’s public records law and allows state officials to ignore duplicate and/or excessive requests.

Gov. Linda Lingle is expected to sign the bill.

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22 Responses to "Hawaii to birthers: Enough already"

  1. Carl Nemo   April 28, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Although I understand the frustration behind multiple, seemingly rabid requests for the President’s birth certificate; I find it repugnant that a state or the Federal government would pass a law denying citizens a “right” to information found in public records.

    Typically most states want a nominal $20 for a duplicate. So they could keep the first request at this reasonable level, but make subsequent requests $100 or some amount that the average snoop might night be willing to pay or even increase the fees for duplicates to a high level. In other words they could turn this request business into a revenue producing proposition.

    I’ve done my own research and am not satisfied that the President was born in Hawaii. Another thing about this pictured document is the lack of an embossed seal. Most if not all states use the same document format as shown, but you’ll see the embossed seal pressed into the paper along with a facsimile signature of the authority for certifying the document.

    Carl Nemo **==

    • Bill Cravener   April 28, 2010 at 12:39 pm

      Carl, how do you explain the Hawaii newspaper postings of his birth? Come on man admit it, if Obama was caucasian there would be no question of his birth. This whole “where was he born” thing is bullsh*t !!

      • Carl Nemo   April 28, 2010 at 6:59 pm

        Hi Bill,

        As to Obama being black or of any other race isn’t my concern, but siimply as to whether he met the citizenship qualifications for holding high office.

        One thing about being an American is our “right” to question both authority and authenticity of government supplied documents. No one engaged in such questioning has overstepped themselves relative to the community at large.

        See my reply to EllenBarrons on this thread. I’ll put it to rest since the link she provided is the first I’ve run across that provides the necessary authentication.

        Carl Nemo **==

    • ellenbarrons   April 28, 2010 at 12:45 pm

      Since a birth certificate is not a public document, the public has no right to see the copy in the files. Obama has however shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii. The embossed seal is on the back, where it is supposed to be (http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html).

      Obama’s Kenyan grandmother did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii. The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii.

      • Carl Nemo   April 28, 2010 at 6:47 pm

        Thanks Ellen Barrons for the solid link material. I’m impressed since this is the first time I’ve seen what’s necessary for proving such; ie., the embossed seal and the authenticating signature along with the document number. I’ll put my susicions to rest.

        Carl Nemo **==

        • woody188   April 29, 2010 at 3:55 pm

          I think the difference was people were looking for the original certificate, which we are apparently never going to be allowed to see. All we’ve been show to date is copies made from electronic data and sealed/stamped in 2007, not in 1961. I can show my original birth certificate from 1975 with the date stamped and embossed seal from that year. Obama seemly can’t.

          • Carl Nemo   April 29, 2010 at 4:13 pm

            Excellent point Woody, but that’s all we’re going to get for authentication is the 2007 copy.

            Carl Nemo **==

  2. Almandine   April 28, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Who knows… but why is he hiding his entire background?

  3. Brenda O   April 29, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Question for ALL…Why would anyone be willing to spend over $2 M to hide all documentation??? Obama or not.

    • Carl Nemo   April 29, 2010 at 5:02 pm

      Brenda, it’s seemingly true that an inordinate amount of money has been spent to hide his background from the public, not only the birth certificate issue, but his school records from kindergarten through college including a thesis he supposedly wrote concerning nuclear disarmament.

      I have the links in my archive, but I’m not going to post them because it will possibly irritate the site host due to it being in the realm of conspiracy theory, no different than 9/11 etc.

      Possibly Barack Obama is either a black Damien Thorn (antichrist) from “The Omen” or the “Manchurian Candidate” taking his card prompts from his shadowy sponsors. One thing I do know, when it comes to the art of oratory, he’s surely a “silver-tongued” devil.

      Things surely aren’t going well for the Republic with he and his coterie of retreads from past administrations at the helm. There’s lots of feelgood blather, but in the end all that’s accomplished is another piece of citizen unfriendly, bum legislation is passed costing us trillions more in unpayable debt.

      The question is who benefits? Follow the money trail and it seems banking, Wall Street, the MIC and “oil patch” are still benefiting handsomely from this administration no differently than Bush/Cheney were running the casino. Even if so-called ‘reform’ legislation is passed, rest assured there will be major loopholes that will allow them to basically continue business as usual.

      If you think about it, the peanut farmer Jimmy Carter from Georgia came from nowhere to the presidency. He was called to have a meeting with David Rockefeller and then with “blessings by the powers that be”, his single term presidency was simply a publicly palatable relief presidency between republican presidencies. The Republican party is the flagship party of the power brokers and the wealthy class in this nation. So too Barack Obama was possibly groomed to be a single term relief presidency until the rethugs can regain the White House. Twenty of the past twenty nine years of presidential office holders have been republicans.

      Carl Nemo **==

      • Bill Cravener   April 30, 2010 at 9:55 am

        Carl, I find politics difficult to stomach much of the time and agree Pres Obama like Pres Clinton both are silver-tongued devils. On the other hand that last devil Pres Bush made my head hunt whenever he spoke. ;-)

      • Guardhouse lawyer   April 30, 2010 at 8:51 pm

        “Possibly Barack Obama is either a black Damien Thorn (antichrist) from “The Omen” or the “Manchurian Candidate” taking his card prompts from his shadowy sponsors. . . ..”

        Possibly that is one of the silliest things I have read here. No, make that probably.

        • Carl Nemo   May 2, 2010 at 2:40 am

          Yo G-lawyer…

          ‘thilly yes’, but possibly much closer to the truth than you could possibly realize…. : |

          Haven’t you figured out yet that I write for impact, so I’m biased towards colorful imagery…?

          I guess I’m just so ‘thilly’… :D

          Carl Nemo **==

  4. Guardhouse lawyer   April 29, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Barack Obama is President of the United States. He is a black man. He is a Democrat. He is a liberal.


    Stop wasting bandwidth. Talk about things that matter.


    • Carl Nemo   April 29, 2010 at 5:07 pm

      Yo G-Lawyer,

      Why do incessantly get on the “horn” and blast your ‘instructions’ to us.

      Since you’ve landed on this site you are like an irritating “rock” in one’s shoe.

      If anyone is wasting bandwidth, it’s you with your incessant, whining, “noise”. : |

      Carl Nemo **==

      • Guardhouse lawyer   April 30, 2010 at 8:52 pm

        Whining? Sheesh.

  5. b mcclellan   April 29, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Hey Carl, like the tree in the forest , if you stop thinking, you’re sunk and never thunk to begin with.

    Doug, Is not life a conspiracy from the beginning composed of survival and discernment as to wherein lies danger ?

    Carl, Saturn has some high end bandwidth tonight, and I’d like to offer a ride in my intergalactic Corvette, but Earnhardt hasn’t brought it back yet.

    Deja Vu, Billy Joel comes to mind also, It’s just a fantasy, it’s not the real thing, whoa oh, whoa oh.

    Carl please don’t mind the rocks in yours or any shoe, they are there to remind, keep close watch on the ballast pumps and the bow plane angle.

    Point of origin determines what is in the heart my friend which leads to one conclusion, if we can’t sink the bastards we’ll have to send them back to the outer limits of humanity from whence they came.. Vote anti incumbent with reasoned, informed, and wary insistence.

    • Carl Nemo   April 30, 2010 at 1:06 am

      Thanks Bryan for the heads up and the sobering ping to my hull… : )

      Here’s a visual treat; ie., a Hubble photo of Saturn shot in the infrared part of the spectrum.


      Carl Nemo **==

  6. b mcclellan   April 30, 2010 at 1:31 am

    No pings intended Sir, thanks for the ping’s.
    and what an image that work, not war, with dedication to knowledge coupled with determination to learn reveals to man, his tiny immensity.

    A close neighbor, known in some circles as The Sombrero.

    • Carl Nemo   April 30, 2010 at 2:53 am

      The Sombrero Galaxy is not all that close at 29.3 million might years compared to Andromeda at 2.2 million light years which is the farthest object that can be seen with the naked in the night sky and is best enjoyed though quality 7×50 binocs or low power rich field telescopes in order to enjoy the nominal 7 degree field that it subtends in the night sky.

      The Sombrero is truly a beautiful variant of galactic structure. The question is are there sapient creatures residing on star systems within the Sombrero of similar intelligence levels? Are they jousting about with social problems as us, but having the same unresolved contentious import to them… ? In view of the size of the cosmos and our short lifespans relative to its age; our lives are as a “fireflies wink in the cosmic night”. So our conscious lot as a species seemingly is biased towards oblivion than even having existed…no?



      “The more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it seems pointless.” …Steven Weinberg, Physicist


      Carl Nemo **–

      • Carl Nemo   April 30, 2010 at 3:16 am

        “seen with the [naked] in the night sky should read the “naked eye”. Seemingly I was thinking of things naked rather than the need for eyes to see Andromeda… :))

        Carl Nemo **==

  7. bmclellan   April 30, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Naughty boy. : )