Nuke’ em ’till they glow; shoot ’em in the dark

Sen. Joe Lieberman wants to bomb Iran back into the Stone Age.

Stupid idea. Osama bin Laden lives in a cave and look at the trouble he can cause from there. Turning a militant nation like Iran into cave men and women might create yet another primitive fighting force that's too strong for the self-professed greatest military power on earth.

Lieberman gets most of his battle scenarios from that other great military strategist in Washington: George W. Bush. Neither have much of a record when it comes to fighting Stone Age cultures.

Maybe we should let Iran become the world's next nuclear power. We have a better track record fighting nations with sophisticated weaponry. It's the insurgents with used AK-47s and home made bombs that we can't seem to defeat.

Absurd? Of course it is but absurdity is all we have left in this Twilight Zone era. After more than a half-trillion dollars and 3,509 American lives (as of this morning), this country is still losing a war against a makeshift army using hit and run techniques that date back centuries.

So now a wing nut "independent" Senator wants to expand our fighting front and take on a new war in Iran. Why not? We're losing in Afghanistan. We're losing in Iraq. Why not make it three in a row?

Our military resources are stretched so thin that war-weary soldiers face third and fourth involuntary deployments in a war that has already sapped them physically and mentally. We've asked them to do the impossible time and time again. What's one more military debacle? What's another 3,500 lives? What's another wound on the dead carcass that is the soul of this nation?

America's vaunted military machine, like the nation it represents, is a wheezing, bloated, inefficient, scandal-ridden mess – incapable of overcoming its own inertia, devoid of strategic thinking and bankrupt from its own waste, fraud and abuse. It sends soldiers into the field with inadequate training, inadequate equipment and inadequate protection.

Back in America, states face oncoming hurricane and tornado seasons without available National Guard forces to help in emergencies because Bush sent them off to fight in his failed wars.

We can't fight the wars we have now and Lieberman wants to add another conflict to the mix?

God help us.

Oh, I forgot.

God only talks to George W. Bush.


  1. Timr

    I noticed that you and everyone else forgot the other 2 nuclear bomb countries- India and Pakistan. The fact that it is these 2 countries who will probably start a war(with nukes) because of what England did in the nineteenth century. BTW, isn’t it interesting that England, if one goes back far enough, is the direct cause of many wars and problems thruout the world. England is the one who made up the country of Iraq out of 3 warring groups back in the 1920’s. England is also responsible for both transjordan, and just how Israel was created. They are also responsible for the current state of affairs in India,Pakistan, and Bangladesh, 3 countries where there used to be one. They have a lot to atone for, that is if the US doesn’t start WWIII as a result of hubris, and ivory tower(neocon) thinking.

  2. Bill Robinson

    Well well, one stupid remark by a Jewish Senator and out come all the anti-Jewish commentaries. Those of aliases are, as usual, the most vociferous. Cowards hide behind a pseudonym and are afraid to be seen in their real guise, sort of like KKK members with their holey sheets. No guts.
    Call Lieberman whatever you want to, it won’t account for the fact that he is just plain wrong. The entire Iraq conflict is wrong, and we act as if we learned nothing from Vietnam.
    The fact is that a people fighting for their own country IN their own country cannot be defeated. Over a long period they will wear out the agressor/invader and will win the conflict. We saw that happen in Vietnam, I don’t know why we keep ignoring our lesson which cost over 50,000 American lives.
    Wait, that’s not true. I do know why. We are in the grasp of an evil demonic pair, Bush & Cheney. Their greed is the same kind of force that got us into the Vietnam conflict, which in Vietnam was the military/industrial complex we always hear about. Bush and Cheney are personally becoming billionaires from the war in Iraq, and Bush intends to lock us in there so he can continue to reap many millions of dollars for the years to come. If we let him do this, we will be paying the price for a long, long time.
    Iran is another situation. Potentially a nuclear disaster waiting to happen. I’d like to think that Lieberman is farsighted and wants us to start a small border conflict with Iran that can be escalated into a bombing of the nuclear facilities that are being developed there. I’d like to, but I don’t believe that is the case. I don’t really know his motives. If they are, as many rational and irrational people believe, to keep Israel safe, so what? Israel has always consistently been a friend to the United States, unlike ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST! Hell, they are our friends, they deserve our support.
    They do not, however, deserve that the USA should go to war to avoid Israel getting bombed or rocketed. Only the USA deserves that protection, and if I sound like an isolationist,so be it. I’m not, and I believe that we have a place among the world’s nations and that we have a responsibility to stand for honor and integrity. We used to do that. We don’t anymore. False arrests, false proclamations of dangers, secret prisons, denial of due process, abrogation of the legal rights of our citizens, and a false war have impuned our honor and degraded our integrity to the point that they may be forever destroyed. This is our president’s and vice-president’s legacy. Although they too supported Israel, I don’t see anyone calling Bush “Jew Lover” or any other pro-Jewish derrogatory names. Why not? He is doing the same thing that Lieberman called for. He just did it in the false name of Homeland Security. So Lieberman is a coward and a Jew Lover and has sold us out for Israel’s sake. Damn! Why aren’t these bigots calling church-going Christians “Christ-Suck-Ups” or even “Crusaders”? I don’t ever hear gentiles being villified because they go to church, or profess love of Jesus Christ even if they never really respect or practice his teachings. I think that’s called a “double standard.”
    But back to the war in Iraq… I see the NY Times has a headline that reads: “U.S. Arming Sunnis in Iraq to Battle Old Qaeda Allies.” Well, we don’t have to worry about the “Surge” anymore. We have just begun to endorse the murder of our own troops. We did this before in Iraq when we supported Saadam Hussein and in Afghanistan when we supported the Taliban. Both those actions came back to bite us very hard in the ass. Arming Sunnis is another stupid act, but it will keep the gun manufacturers going and going and going. It will also keep our fighting men and women smack dab in the gunsights of the enemy.
    We need to get out of Iraq and out of Afghanistan. All we are doing now is setting up scenarios where our troops will continue to be murdered. We are not accomplishing anything other than that.
    When will we ever learn???

  3. Carl Nemo

    Spot-on commentary Doug…!

    What’s really tragic is that it’s another Monday morning and “we the people” have to suffer another day with the likes of Lieberman and his kin in the Whitehouse, the Senate, and the House. Bush, Cheney, Lieberman, McCain and a host of other irresponsible bullies all talk tough and create havoc as long as they aren’t the one’s having to fight from house to house in a cesspool such as Bagdhad, Kabul, Kosovo, or wherever else in the world that there’s continual mindless bloodshed.

    All of this activity can in someway be traced back to our CIA, DIA, NSA and other MIC sponsored agencies who are constantly creating and stirring up zones of conflict for the benefit of the shadowy money guys. They are all elitist, sociopaths and for folks to give them credit for having any semblance of humanity puts this once great nation at risk of becoming nothing but a footnote of history.

    If the people of Connecticut were smart they’d make an effort to recall this mattoid Lieberman rather than give him another five years of he driving them and the rest of us nuts with his idiotic screed that continually issues from his duplicit lips!

    Carl Nemo **==

  4. Paolo

    So, you all thought the Neocons only dealt with republicans? Get ready–when the Dems take over next year, the Neocons will be ready to lead them by the nose, too.

    Does anyone sense just a little hypocrisy in the United States, with thousands of nuclear weapons, and Israel, with possibly a hundred, screaming about “international law” because Iran might some day, years from now, acquire ONE such weapon?

    Another example of lying hypocrisy: accusing Iran of violating “international law” by allegedly training Iraqi soldiers to resist the occupation, when the occupation itself was illegal according to international law! (Unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation–a crime for which we hanged the Nuremberg defendants).

    We need to grab our guns and pitchforks, march on Washington, arrest these criminals and hang them from the nearest lampposts.

  5. Stoney13

    There are certain individuals commenting here from Laramie and other places that so love and trust The Government, and police, that they want to take all of our guns from us and leave us to the tender mercies of those who, have been proven repeatedly to have none!

    I’m with you, Paolo!! But, let’s string ’em up in the woods where they won’t stink as bad when they rot! Buzzards gotta eat, same as crows!

    Stoney Browning

  6. kent shaw

    But in many quarters I am hearing more and more commentary leading me to believe that grassroots violence is on more and more peoples’ minds. I have a feeling that the neocons (today’s democrats and republicans) are going to keep on pushing their despicable globalist elitist agenda until mass violence erupts, seemingly spontaneously, in many locations. Keep your pantries fully stocked and your powder dry.

  7. smendler

    Why is it that the people who are the most convinced that Israel operates under some kind of divine mandate are frequently also the people who have the greatest fear of it being destroyed, and who yell the loudest about the need to protect it?

  8. smendler

    Any kind of violent popular insurrection would do nothing more than give the neocon cryptofascists the opening they want for the institution of martial law.

  9. Sandra Price

    I remember when Israel became an independent nation. It was designed to be a Jewish Nation. There was never a question about this and America was behind their endeavor.

    I’m an American Atheist and have respect for this Jewish nation as it is exactly as it was planned. Little influence can touch Israel and I wish America had the strength to say the same.

    I was 68 years old before I realized that America was a Christian nation. This infuriated me as I had read the Constitution that America was based on individual freedoms including religion. The problem was that Americans were impervious to collective groups who try to influence our standards. It took a new movement from the religious right to bring down these freedoms and millions of us are fighting it.

    If Israel wants to believe they operate under a divine mandate, so what? I’m more concerned that Americans believe our nation exists for Christians only.

    Do you honestly believe that Israel could exist a single day if it became Christian or Islamic?

  10. Chris Inthemorning

    What happened to that? People sent you money. Anything to report? Somebody asked you about it awhile back. You had a vague answer and the guy told you fair enough. Is there anything on the site besides the click to donate thing? That’s hard to see with this current layout.

    So what’s up with the grassroots thing and people’s donations?

    This is the second time around anyway, isn’t it?

  11. Ardie

    Joe, to my mind, doesn’t represent our interests but those of Israel. To learn the real truth about Israel, an academic library is almost required. From Israel’s inception in the mind of Herzl, a secular Jew who loved German culture, to the fruition of the state of Israel, the roots of Zionism are not representative of true Judaism. And now we find out that Israel is not really our friend–we are more like her errand boy. For a great resource about Zionism put together by true Torah Jews I highly recommend this site to Doug’s fans:

  12. Jenifer D.

    Yeah, I think it’s time to call for some back-up since our own military is out doing the bidding of avarcious drones who don’t do their job (representing U.S. voters) and refuse to admit their folly and resign gracefully; Is the Australian army busy right now?

    We may have to call them collect to come save what’s left of this once great nation.

  13. Beelza B ubb

    Beelza Bubb

    If we follow this foolish “Independent” Senator’s advise and choose to use “bunker busters” on Iran I wager that within two years time we would find ourselves living in a World where there are fifty nuclear armed nations instead of the present seven we know about.
    The present seven are the US, Russia, Britain, France, China,Israel and North Korea.
    Insecurity breeds insecurity. Stupidity breeds stupidity.
    With the present sad state of our leadership unable to cope with seven nuclear armed nations how can we expect this kind of leadership to cope with fifty nuclear armed nations?
    This is no time for sleepwalking. And , Oh yes, Nepotism breeds Nepotism.
    It is time to get some “new blood” in the White House, Senate, House of Representatives and the Judiciary branch of government.

  14. Sandra Price

    …can we locate and elect “new blood” into our government? what do we look for? How can we guarantee they will act on their elected platforms? Bush was elected to stop abortions and same sex marriages. It didn’t happen (which I am pleased about) but he had an excuse by the attacks on 9/11.

    Could it be that our voters do not know enough about American History and our Constitutional laws to be able to elect “new blood?” I’m for a complete change in our government but that kind of thinking is what brought us President Bush 43.

    Doug writes brilliantly on our American faults and warts, but he cannot locate a new party or “new blood” He leaves that up to our individual brains to figure out. He has been guiding my thinking for many years.

    I am so pleased that he has opened up his “Rant” to others on this home page as it is the best debate on the internet.

  15. Cobaltkid

    Doug is on target on this one. Our elected representatives seem to be interested only in their own preservation rather than what the voters want.

    To see that 9 of the 10 Republicans candidates do not believe in evolution is not just shocking but scary. Too bad none of the moderators didn’t follow up with a question regarding separation of church and state.

    The Dems aren’t much better which really makes me think a third party is needed. Not, however, the type of Independrnt party that Senator Lieberman would be part of. Joe might as well just register himself as a paid Israeli lobbyist.

    The question of where new blood will come from is very thought provoking and frustrating but must be answered if the Nation is to survive.

    P.S. South Africa should be added to the list of nuclear nations.

  16. Steve Horn


    The current administration has gotten our nation so entangled, so mired, so totally fouled in the affairs of the Middle East through our invasion and occupation of Iraq that they are almost assured that true change will not come about.

    We’re in a nearly impossible situation. Were one to be elected to the office of President with the aim of getting us out of Iraq one would need to be satisfied with being a one term President. The sacrifice and afterbirth which will come about in the wake of our leaving will make the last days of Saigon look like a picnic in the park.

    Perhaps this is intentional, perhaps it’s by design, so that there is no clear way out short of the total destruction of the area through nuclear conflict. Hell, maybe George W. Bush is a reincarnation of David Koresh and is doing all he can to fufill revelations and bring the end times to reality – it appears that he’s trying to establish a single world government with a unified currency and required numbers (id cards, credit cards, passports) – perhaps he feels he’s doing his Lords bidding –



  17. Elmo

    Lieberman as an independent is no different from Lieberman as a Democrat and no different from what Lieberman would be if he were a Republican. He epitomizes the lack of difference between the ruling party’s branches. As long as the ruling party gets to decide who is allowed to be on the ballot, the voters won’t be in a position to choose new blood.

    Howard Dean might have been new blood but that threat was easily parried by making his enthusiasm seem like an out-of-control, unstable, “screamer”. Barack Obama may appear to be new blood but he is being minimized as “too inexperienced” to be “electable”. Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Mike Gravel are not given equal time in the so-called “debates” because they are “minor” candidates who have an eery way of speaking the truth instead of weaseling, waffling, and parroting a safe “talking point”. Al Gore is right — Reason has no place in politics anymore having been driven out by entertainment value.

  18. Beelza B ubb

    Beelza Bubb
    To answer your first question, No we probably cannot locate new blood from within our government. I would trust citizens who have spent their lives outside government more than citizens who have worked inside government. Your second question; Hold their feet to the fire. Your assumption about Bush being elected is debatable. He was not elected either time. He was anointed by Judge Scalia the first time and stole the election the second time by using the electronic Diebold voting machines. Remember Joseph Stalin’s quote;
    “It is not the people who vote that count, it is the people who count the votes”
    I do not assume the voters are all as stupid as the minions of the media would have you believe. It was the minions of the media who promoted George W.Bush.
    What the voters need is a good course in propaganda discernment. We can locate a new party right inside our own skins. I am not looking for any “Savior” outside of my own skin. I am grateful to Doug Thompson for making this forum possible. Dialogue between interested citizens can happen here. Monologue is what happens in the media.

  19. Steve Horn

    Anybody else remember Slim Pickens from “Dr. Strangelove” ??? Riding that bomb from the bird to the deck.

    There’s Joes hero – (funny how Maj. T.J. ‘King’ Kong was a Texas cowboy as well, just like Georgie!) –

    Now if we can saddle a blockbuster and have George rodeo it down to the ground – that might improve things – but Maj. T.J. ‘King’ Kong had something neither George Bush nor Joe Lieberman have – courage and conviction. George or Joe would probably try to find some poor illegal immigrant to do the riding …

    Oh – and when did the Kinnesset get a seat in the Senate? Could it be that the “I” next to Liebermans name really stands for Israel and not for Independent? Hmmmm …..



  20. Beelza B ubb

    Beelza Bubb

    The following words are my own thoughts on the Middle East mess.
    Maybe we should be having a dialogue about the role of all of Christendom during the holocaust. Everywhere the Jews went throughout Christendom they have been persecuted for centuries by the institutional Christian churches; be they Eastern Orthodox, Western Roman Catholic or Protestant.
    For Example, In 1939 when the ship St Louis with 500 Jews aboard tried to escape from Hitler’s Germany they tried to dock here in the US, Canada and Havana they were denied in each place so the ship’s captain had no choice but to return to Hitler’s Germany where all 500 Jews were exterminated. Maybe we Christians just saw it as another occasion to “turn our cheeks the other way.” Is that a cynical thing for me to say? Where were the Christians of conscience who could have made a difference then? Did they practice their preaching?
    As one Palestinian related to me while I was visiting in Israel 20 years ago, “The real conflict here is not between Palestinians and Jews it is between Christendom and the homeless Jews who have come here.” He was right then and is still right now.
    Neither Pope Pius XI nor his successor, Pope Pius XII, both who dwelt in the Vatican while Hitler’s persecution of the Jews was happening ever made one public utterance condemning the Nazi regime for its actions.
    Some Vicars of Christ! Eh!
    Hitler did not invent Anti-Semitism, it was already there thanks to the leaders of Christendom. He just played upon it, as anti-semitism was already well cultivated over the centuries by both secular and clerical leaders of Christendom.

    I really cannot blame Israeli Jews for what they do now, I blame all of Christendom for the mess in the Middle East.
    So this unconfessed rot of Christendom is still with us. Will Pope Benedict atone by confessing the history of antisemitism in his church? I doubt it.
    Your thoughts?

  21. Bill Jonke

    Dementia is finally hitting Joe in the ass.

    He needs to step down, or be committed.

  22. mrtshw

    Joseph I. Lieberman, 64, Received student deferments from 1961 through 1967 while at Yale and Yale Law School. After finishing law school, received a parental deferment with his wife pregnant.
    Of course he’s a Repugnant (I/DINO = Indy/Dem In Name Only )! Jewish Zionist Coward is his actual affilliation.

  23. remoran

    mrtshw’s list is awesome and says it all! If only CT could impeach the bastard and get him out of office. I don’t care if Rell appoints a Repug, anyone is better then Joe.

    “Never stop questioning.” Einstein

  24. Jenifer D.

    Not Koresh, buddy; try Adolf Hitler! Hitler died right around the time shrub was born; it would not surprise me if ol’ Grandpa Prescott performed some S&B ritual that put Hitler’s soul into shrub’s body! Yeah, Hitler avenges himself on the U.S. by being reborn into this world as a U.S. President. How else can one explain the willful and intentional economic and social destruction of America?