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		<title>By: Senegoid</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26781/comment-page-1#comment-60965</link>
		<dc:creator>Senegoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 01:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Judging by the video those military lads appeared to be having a bonza time. Just wait to they get home and experience nightmares that won&#039;t go away - the guilt, the shame; but then again they may feel really good about their depravity - in which case they&#039;ll probably join homeland security and blow the shit out of little American boys and girls.

Poor fellow Iraq - poor fellow America.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging by the video those military lads appeared to be having a bonza time. Just wait to they get home and experience nightmares that won&#8217;t go away &#8211; the guilt, the shame; but then again they may feel really good about their depravity &#8211; in which case they&#8217;ll probably join homeland security and blow the shit out of little American boys and girls.</p>
<p>Poor fellow Iraq &#8211; poor fellow America.</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26781/comment-page-1#comment-60952</link>
		<dc:creator>woody188</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not saying either way.  Things can be confusing in the thick of combat, and while they didn&#039;t appear threatening to us, we weren&#039;t there.  Things that are obvious from our arm chairs might not be so obvious in the thick of it.  It&#039;s also one of the hazards of fighting a ground war from the air, and certainly one of the reasons we are losing the hearts and minds of these people to the Taliban in Afghanistan and al Sadr in Iraq.

It seems obvious to me this type of thing happens all the time, hence over one million deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan where innocent people were in the wrong place at the wrong time.  But usually it&#039;s portrayed by the military as being all insurgents, as was the case in this instance.

I guess the lesson here is if the US military is in your neighbor hood, best to hunker down inside until they leave.  Because they will not hesitate to shoot you dead and then lie about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying either way.  Things can be confusing in the thick of combat, and while they didn&#8217;t appear threatening to us, we weren&#8217;t there.  Things that are obvious from our arm chairs might not be so obvious in the thick of it.  It&#8217;s also one of the hazards of fighting a ground war from the air, and certainly one of the reasons we are losing the hearts and minds of these people to the Taliban in Afghanistan and al Sadr in Iraq.</p>
<p>It seems obvious to me this type of thing happens all the time, hence over one million deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan where innocent people were in the wrong place at the wrong time.  But usually it&#8217;s portrayed by the military as being all insurgents, as was the case in this instance.</p>
<p>I guess the lesson here is if the US military is in your neighbor hood, best to hunker down inside until they leave.  Because they will not hesitate to shoot you dead and then lie about it.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRanter (AKA Gregg)</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26781/comment-page-1#comment-60949</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRanter (AKA Gregg)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Woody,

I&#039;m not belittling or being condescending about  your post as to what you understand the situation might have been.   But aren&#039;t you a little suspicious about the explanation that you just posted?

I have a lot of problems with scattered reports that really only lead  us to make assumptions.  I take this incident to be suspicious...and not from the men&#039;s side who were cut down.  

We&#039;ve all seen or heard about a type of incident before where military made a bad call, or they purposely killed innocent people.   

Speculations begin to fly everywhere when something like this happens and the first thing we think of is, &quot;the miliary hasn&#039;t really released all of the facts.&quot;  We seem to automatically accept, in our minds, that our military is going to release completely truthful accounts and intelligence that lead to certain actions.  

What we know so far...It derives from all of the same types of rhetoric that occurs iwhen military operations are in question from all the similar types of sources.  

Not playing devil&#039;s advocate, but we have a history where our military leaders covering up or manipulated (lied or distorted the truth) about incidents involving actions taken that required a split decision or difficult circumstance that required making quick distinctions as to  &quot;who was enemy combatants vs civilian&quot;.  This was no split decision nor did I see a difficult set of circumstances in which to make the call.  

I&#039;ve taken mind reading 101 about a hundred thousand times and I&#039;ve failed it that many times.  

Even if there were any insurgent activities two blocks away...those guys could have also gathered to dicuss how to try and defend their neighborhood area...especially if they had families in the nearby area.  No place is safe in Iraq.  I would be on edge every second of the day.  And even as a civilian I would carry any weapon that I could manage.

I saw the video, I heard the pilot talk with command, I watched the group of men...and I&#039;m not buying their justification. The chopper pilots had no idea as to what these men were engaged in other than being gathered at a corner and two or three obviously had weapons.

Would you enter a potential combat area with a group of men where only about a 1/3 were carrying weapons?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not belittling or being condescending about  your post as to what you understand the situation might have been.   But aren&#8217;t you a little suspicious about the explanation that you just posted?</p>
<p>I have a lot of problems with scattered reports that really only lead  us to make assumptions.  I take this incident to be suspicious&#8230;and not from the men&#8217;s side who were cut down.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve all seen or heard about a type of incident before where military made a bad call, or they purposely killed innocent people.   </p>
<p>Speculations begin to fly everywhere when something like this happens and the first thing we think of is, &#8220;the miliary hasn&#8217;t really released all of the facts.&#8221;  We seem to automatically accept, in our minds, that our military is going to release completely truthful accounts and intelligence that lead to certain actions.  </p>
<p>What we know so far&#8230;It derives from all of the same types of rhetoric that occurs iwhen military operations are in question from all the similar types of sources.  </p>
<p>Not playing devil&#8217;s advocate, but we have a history where our military leaders covering up or manipulated (lied or distorted the truth) about incidents involving actions taken that required a split decision or difficult circumstance that required making quick distinctions as to  &#8220;who was enemy combatants vs civilian&#8221;.  This was no split decision nor did I see a difficult set of circumstances in which to make the call.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken mind reading 101 about a hundred thousand times and I&#8217;ve failed it that many times.  </p>
<p>Even if there were any insurgent activities two blocks away&#8230;those guys could have also gathered to dicuss how to try and defend their neighborhood area&#8230;especially if they had families in the nearby area.  No place is safe in Iraq.  I would be on edge every second of the day.  And even as a civilian I would carry any weapon that I could manage.</p>
<p>I saw the video, I heard the pilot talk with command, I watched the group of men&#8230;and I&#8217;m not buying their justification. The chopper pilots had no idea as to what these men were engaged in other than being gathered at a corner and two or three obviously had weapons.</p>
<p>Would you enter a potential combat area with a group of men where only about a 1/3 were carrying weapons?</p>
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		<title>By: b mcclellan</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26781/comment-page-1#comment-60931</link>
		<dc:creator>b mcclellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 03:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back to rules of engagement ,
times two,
 maybe four tours.
How far do we extend principle in the guise of , take it easy, it&#039;s inevitable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to rules of engagement ,<br />
times two,<br />
 maybe four tours.<br />
How far do we extend principle in the guise of , take it easy, it&#8217;s inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26781/comment-page-1#comment-60929</link>
		<dc:creator>woody188</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 02:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I understand it, they were a couple of blocks away and the concern was this group was going to join in the fight there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, they were a couple of blocks away and the concern was this group was going to join in the fight there.</p>
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		<title>By: b mcclellan</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26781/comment-page-1#comment-60919</link>
		<dc:creator>b mcclellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 00:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ole media carrot as it were, no?

We&#039;re big boys and girls, give it to us straight, we can take it.

Ah, if only it were so that faith in the true makeup of this nation would be given it&#039;s rightful dose of the truth as to the machinations.

This I know, is what gives cause for the manipulators tight lips..
Security clearance for lies with impunity.
 Hack..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ole media carrot as it were, no?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re big boys and girls, give it to us straight, we can take it.</p>
<p>Ah, if only it were so that faith in the true makeup of this nation would be given it&#8217;s rightful dose of the truth as to the machinations.</p>
<p>This I know, is what gives cause for the manipulators tight lips..<br />
Security clearance for lies with impunity.<br />
 Hack..</p>
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		<title>By: griff</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26781/comment-page-1#comment-60917</link>
		<dc:creator>griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent observation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent observation.</p>
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		<title>By: b mcclellan</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26781/comment-page-1#comment-60914</link>
		<dc:creator>b mcclellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where and in what degree of close proximity were the pinned down troops from the killing field ?
 Seems to me this is the real question as to the use of deadly force and needs to be addressed before a full and clear picture of this matter can be obtained.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where and in what degree of close proximity were the pinned down troops from the killing field ?<br />
 Seems to me this is the real question as to the use of deadly force and needs to be addressed before a full and clear picture of this matter can be obtained.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRanter (AKA Gregg)</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26781/comment-page-1#comment-60913</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRanter (AKA Gregg)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 22:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I frequently see videos or news clips were a fair number of run-of-the-mill citizens carry weapons.

Hell, if I lived in Iraq I would want to carry more than an AK around, if at all possible.  I&#039;d want a couple of back-up handguns, a knife...  Hmmm, that&#039;s sounds like my old neighborhood in the south side of Dallas where I grew up.

In my opinion...looks like these guys were gunned down for no reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I frequently see videos or news clips were a fair number of run-of-the-mill citizens carry weapons.</p>
<p>Hell, if I lived in Iraq I would want to carry more than an AK around, if at all possible.  I&#8217;d want a couple of back-up handguns, a knife&#8230;  Hmmm, that&#8217;s sounds like my old neighborhood in the south side of Dallas where I grew up.</p>
<p>In my opinion&#8230;looks like these guys were gunned down for no reason.</p>
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		<title>By: griff</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26781/comment-page-1#comment-60903</link>
		<dc:creator>griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny how the left now uses the same &quot;America-hater&quot; talking points that the right did just a few years prior. It was okay to hate Bush based on his actions and policy, but not okay to hate Obama for the same reasons. Surely there must be some underlying mental deficiency, i.e. racism, that fuels our discontent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how the left now uses the same &#8220;America-hater&#8221; talking points that the right did just a few years prior. It was okay to hate Bush based on his actions and policy, but not okay to hate Obama for the same reasons. Surely there must be some underlying mental deficiency, i.e. racism, that fuels our discontent.</p>
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