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Thugs like Hutaree thrive on paranoia, gullibility

By DOUG THOMPSON
March 31, 2010

A gun leans again a Washing machine in the yard of David Brian Stone's trailer in Clayton, Mich. (AP)

Those who fault the government for everything are stampeding to rationalize the incredible plot by a Bible-thumping trailer-trash militia to kill police officers and then multiply the death toll by bombing their funerals.

Gun nuts, self-declared “patriots,” right-wing fanatics, white supremacists and others who proclaim hate as a path to freedom defend the actions of David Brian Stone and his ragtag group of “Christian Militia” followers with the standard tin-foil hat conspiracy mantra that it’s all a government plot to discredit a God-fearing group of freedom fighters.

Open up the padded rooms The inmates have taken over the asylum.

Nine members of Stone’s hate mongering cult, run out of a double-wide in Michigan, sit in jail now after the FBI swooped in and arrested the lot for hatching a plot to launch a “holy war” by killing cops and then bombing the funerals to increase the carnage.

Somehow, in Stone’s deranged mind, this would trigger an grassroots uprising to bring down the government of the United States.

Instead, all it has triggered is an explosion of stupidity from those who see a government plot under every bush and a way to defend the indefensible.

It’s hard to tell which is worse: Hate groups like Stone’s Huteree or the wave of paranoia and gullibility that sees every glitch in society as some vast government conspiracy.

In the last 24 hours, I’ve read claims that the government is to blame for Timothy McVeigh‘s cowardly and terrorist bombing of the Federal Courthouse in Oklahoma City, that the arrests of Stone and his fellow whack jobs is part of a government-sponsored “war” against Christianity and, of course, the tired fantasy that the Bush administration staged the terrorist attacks of 2001 and framed al Qaeda for the atrocities.

Every time this web site has a glitch, someone jumps up and claims the government has shut us down. When some have a problem posting a comment, they claim we are censoring comments or that the “though police” have taken over.

Jesus. So much paranoia based on so little rational thought. Those who perpetuate most of these half-baked conspiracy theories claim others are gullible dupes of the American government but they are the gullible dupes who buy into conspiracy fantasies hatched by those with an agenda for disruption.

The con artists and grifters who promote these idiotic theories thrive on the stupidity of others. That’s why faith healers, false prophets, television evangelists and self-styled populists continue to proper in our society, be they nutcases like Sarah Palin or politically-orchestrated, phony grassroots movements like Tea Parties.

They prove H.L. Mencken’s classic observation that no one ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

Those who defend the actions of Stone’s cult give the government too much credit. Our government isn’t smart enough to hatch 90 percent of the fantasy plots attributed to it. Neither are those who buy into these incredibly stupid conspiracy theories.

Hutaree is just another hate group that preys on the mentally-weak and emotionally crippled.

Sadly, there’s far too much stupidity out there to serve their purpose.

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33 Responses to Thugs like Hutaree thrive on paranoia, gullibility

  1. Bill Cravener

    March 31, 2010 at 7:00 am

    These sub-humans were looking to kill law enforcement officer’s period. It’s just plain nuts to defend those who planned to kill policemen. They are nothing more then dogs on acid!

    These scumbags like to justify what they wanted to do by scouring the Bible for some godly approval. This is the obvious biblical antidote to civil chaos and total anarchy. Their efforts are not Christian in the least, but rather the efforts of anarchists. They are sick, sick in mind and spirit.

    Is it me or does it read just like a distancing from a Muslim terrorist group. Just slap in a few Koran quotes instead of biblical ones and you are done. Let’s face it, maniacs from the back woods who claim to be Christians were preparing for Armageddon.

  2. Guardhouse lawyer

    March 31, 2010 at 7:16 am

    How could you two be so wrong?

    These are simply some Second Amendment-loving patriots who believe that it’s OK to off the pigs because everyone knows they are anti-Christs!. Look elsewhere on this site to see defenses of these people by the same people who think David Koresh was only a step or two from sainthood. People who truly believe that it is OK to ignore a Federal warrant and to commit mass suicide to keep from having your guns taken.

    Doug, you have some sick people hanging around here, people who have absolutely no grasp on reality. And these people are among those whom you indict with the statement

    “Sadly, there’s far too much stupidity out there to serve their purpose.”

  3. Mightymo

    March 31, 2010 at 11:16 am

    YaGuardhouse, I saw that.

    Then to add salt to the wound, the same individual that likes reading his own rants so much turns around and suggests that because the government is comprised of so many bumbling fools, that he wouldn’t be surprised if these sort of lunatic-fringe groups increase in numbers and become more active!

    So what is he saying?

    That because the government is at fault, it’s understandable to have these idiots running around, that they should be tolerated, and that it’s freedom of speech?

    Or that because they are voicing a clear indication that they want to use “terrorist” methods to instigate reaction that we should be proactive and start to look for and root out these groups before they become active?

  4. Carl Nemo

    March 31, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Gee Doug, I remember just a few years back you wrote an article titled “American Gestapo” concerning the heavy handed tactics used by law enforcement relative to the “Floyd Festival” . It also was your most viewed piece for quite some time under the old format.

    You went on and on about over the top law enforcement etc. !?

    My point concerning these groups and the level of enforcement is that the government and its policing agencies are using excessive force in doing their job. Myself an others on this site surely aren’t advocating wack jobs killing police officers or anyone else. / : |

    I’ve noticed an instability in your writings of late; ie., a vacillation between the Doug of a few years back and now since your site has been reformatted and gone heavily commercial.

    What gives?

    Carl Nemo **==

  5. Mightymo

    March 31, 2010 at 11:57 am

    I certainly won’t disagree with the idea that law enforcement uses excessive force far too often, but usually those situations involve one “perp”. When it comes to a well organized, well armed, and well trained group of individuals numbering in a dozen or more, I understand that the use of force may be the only option available to avoid offering the opportunity for retaliation.

    To make matters worse, many may view that when a group claims to be “religiously” affiliated that they now deserve some special consideration and freedom to do as they please. I personally give religion no freedom what-so-ever. As far as I’m concerned all religion is nothing more than an organization of men for men, and if anything, are more likely to be dangerous because religion in the hands of the misguided is a very dangerous thing indeed.

    Two examples of what can happen when the government allows groups to become too powerful because of ineffective law enforcement, are the current activities going on with the drug lords, and organized crime of the 20’s and the resulting efforts of the FBI to fight it.

    With the current hostility in America, especially between right and left, I firmly support a proactive approach to dealing with these groups.

  6. griff

    March 31, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    In 1962 President Kennedy was presented with a plan hatched by the Department of Defense and signed off on by the Joint Chiefs of Staff called Operation Northwoods.

    This plan called for the execution of “a series of well coordinated incidents” to “take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.”

    Some of these incidents would include…

    -Land friendly Cubans in uniform “over-the-fence” to stage attack on base.
    -Start riots near the main base gate (friendly Cubans).
    -Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.
    -Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).
    -Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires – napthalene.
    -Sink ship near entrance.Conduct funerals for mock-victims.

    But it gets better…

    -We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.
    -We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both…The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to “evacuate” remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.
    -We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.
    -Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harrassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft byMIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG…

    Here’s where it gets real good…

    -It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any group of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.
    -It is possible to create an incident which will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack.

    Now if our military could not only devise such plans, but actually submit them to the president for approval more than thrity years ago, would it stand to reason that they would be even more capable of such plans today?

    So fast-forward 38 years, to September, 2000. A little-known (at the time) neoconservative think tank called Project for a New American Century (PNAC) writes a policy paper entitled “Rebuilding America’s Defenses.” Among the participants in this project are none other than William Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Robert Kagan (Carnegie Endowment for International Peace – ha!), Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, John Bolton and Richard Perle, to name a few.

    While there is much to read in this 90-page paper, one quote stands out…”Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.”

    Is it mere coincidence that little more than a year after this paper is published, many of the project’s participants occupy some of the highest positions of power in our government?

    Is it mere happenstance that eight months after George Bush was installed as president we had a catastrophic and catalyzing event that allowed these neocons to put their plans in motion?

    Is it wild conspiracy theory that people can read government documents and policy papers, only to see those policies enacted to the letter?

    You suggest that this government isn’t smart enough to hatch these plots, yet you firmly believe the official conspiracy theory that 19 extremists operating out of a cave in the wilds of Afghanistan are? That the vast and limitless resources of the US government were outsmarted by a bunch of starving Muslims running obstacle courses in the desert?

    • woody188

      March 31, 2010 at 10:46 pm

      Oh now, don’t go waving the truth around griff. You don’t want to lose that reputation of being a “conspiracy nut” do ya? We do get all the hot ladies. :)

      • Guardhouse lawyer

        April 1, 2010 at 7:50 am

        Griff can hardly be accused of waving the truth around. As to the Northwoods thing, the rest of the story is perhaps instructive to those who are interested in a complete story. To the extent Griff did not tell that part of the story he was twisting history.

        “Kennedy personally rejected the Northwoods proposal, and it would now be the Joint Chiefs’ turn to incur his displeasure. A JCS/Pentagon document (Ed Lansdale memo) dated March 16, 1962 titled MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT, 16 MARCH 1962 reads: “General Lemnitzer commented that the military had contingency plans for US intervention. Also it had plans for creating plausible pretexts to use force, with the pretext either attacks on US aircraft or a Cuban action in Latin America for which we could retaliate. The President said bluntly that we were not discussing the use of military force, that General Lemnitzer might find the U.S so engaged in Berlin or elsewhere that he couldn’t use the contemplated 4 divisions in Cuba.”[21] The proposal was sent for approval to the Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, but was not implemented.”

        AS to PNAC, it is not and never has been anything other that a private organization, regardless of the people involved in it. As soon as I saw the name Kristol So is this Hutaree abomination.

        The post by Griff also alleges that Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bolton were “participants” in the project cited. Such allegation is not borne out by the list of participants in the document, which interested readers can see after page 76 of said document.

        I do not rise in defense of this trika of traitors; instead I rise in defense of the truth, something often twisted here and occasionally sadly lacking.

        • griff

          April 1, 2010 at 9:42 am

          As stated, the proposal was presented to Kennedy. It should be obvious that the plan was never implemented, so I didn’t think that required mentioning. By the way, the reason I post a link to the document is so people can read it for themselves in its entirety if they so desire. Where is the untruth?

          Why would PNAC being a private group have any relevance? The CFR is a private group. AIPAC is a private group. Both enjoy huge influence in Wahington. And yes, all mentioned above were at one point members of PNAC, among many others, as evidenced by them being signatories on other PNAC papers, such as this statement of principles. Notice the date.

          • Guardhouse lawyer

            April 1, 2010 at 11:48 am

            I merely point out that you said they were “participants” in that particular paper. Your statement that the three in the “troika” (sorry for typographical error) should be included because they were part of the same organization is the same as saying that all members of Congress are responsible for a particular law even if they did not vote for it simply because they were members of the same body.

            Please stop blowing smoke.

      • griff

        April 1, 2010 at 1:30 pm

        Ha. I don’t know about the rest, but I’ve done pretty good!

        Actually, I didn’t advance any theories of my own, so technically I can’t be considered a “conspiracy nut.” The same can’t be said for all the nuts running around that believe the official conspiracy theory.

    • Almandine

      April 1, 2010 at 7:44 pm

      Yeah, and JFK was extinguished too.

      • b mcclellan

        April 1, 2010 at 8:30 pm

        Too what end extinguish ?
        Ignore them to extinction ?
        Entropy, spend it all ?
        .Make room for me is the alternate choice when , is there room for us is the obvious answer.

        She our ladyship lost her voice with the inception of the two alternate universes that are decidedly anti-man.

        People – Corporations.
        Matter- antimatter.

        This very night one comes home in a bag, some come home in a letter, whatever the origin of anger to cause such inhumanity it will consume lest the inner and outer wars are taken by the neck and resolved.

        Guess what, a handshake won’t fly. Truly the last gasp of man..Hack…

  7. woody188

    March 31, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    A gun leans again a Washington machine in the yard of David Brian Stone’s trailer in Clayton, Mich. (AP)

    I know you said email stuff Doug but this one is precious. If I were your shrink I’d say you are longing for Washington.

    • Doug Thompson

      April 1, 2010 at 11:53 am

      That’s what happens when I’ve had less than five cups of coffee in the morning. Thanks for heads ukp.

  8. woody188

    March 31, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Oh and APRIL FOOL!

  9. nj

    April 1, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    i love when people use the tin-foil hat argument….so persuasive…how about you debate and examine facts instead of resorting to name-calling.

    what do words like conspiracy theory and calling someone a t-word really mean anyway? it basically means their side of the story is invalid.

    in journalism 101 you learn to listen to and present both sides of the story and let the readers draw their own conclusion. but most of the “writers” out there today appear to have skipped most of their classes

  10. woody188

    April 1, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Just an FYI, the PNAC was actually a project under the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and even met in their upstairs offices in Washington DC.

    griff is also correct about the participants, though some were not signatories to “Rebuilding America’s Defenses,” they were on the PNAC and did follow it’s guidelines while serving in the Bush administration. But it’s important to note that many of the Bush administrations policies were originally hatched in the Ford administration by Richard Cheney (Chief of Staff) and Don Rumsfeld (Secretary of Defense). There is a very good read on it here.
    Here is one you are sure to recognize, but rarely do we hear the whole quote any longer:

    This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself, nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. -Franklin D. Roosevelt

  11. Almandine

    April 5, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    • Doug Thompson

      April 6, 2010 at 6:01 am

      Interesting? No. Disappointing that anyone would accept — or link to — the crap from Lew Rockwell.

  12. Almandine

    April 6, 2010 at 6:38 am

    I know Lew and don’t find that he puts out crap.

    • Doug Thompson

      April 6, 2010 at 6:39 am

      I know him too and I know his politics. He authored the racist screeds that appeared on an old Ron Paul newsletter that became an issue when Paul last ran for President. My opinion stands.

  13. Almandine

    April 6, 2010 at 6:40 am

    Ditto.

    • Doug Thompson

      April 6, 2010 at 6:43 am

      Too bad.

      • Almandine

        April 6, 2010 at 6:53 am

        Well now that you’ve edited your reply and added “your” racist crap, I find that your tone and forthrightness has gone off track. Lew is a staunch Libertarian, the principles of which have been inappropriately labeled discriminatory by many, some of which you have seemed to agree with in the past if the long-standing slogan above means anything. I, too, am beginning to wonder what gives lately.

      • Almandine

        April 6, 2010 at 7:15 am

        Of course, Lew did not write the article in question, but must be said to approve of its content at least tacitly since it appeared on his website. The author is William Grigg, who is of course… drum roll… black.

        • Doug Thompson

          April 6, 2010 at 9:59 am

          Like others here, you make an assumption. I’m talking about the racist comments that surfaced during the 2008 campaign. David Weigel wrote in Reason magazine in January 2008:

          Ron Paul doesn’t seem to know much about his own newsletters. The libertarian-leaning presidential candidate says he was unaware, in the late 1980s and early 1990s, of the bigoted rhetoric about African Americans and gays that was appearing under his name. He told CNN last week that he still has “no idea” who might have written inflammatory comments such as “Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks”—statements he now repudiates. Yet in interviews with reason, a half-dozen longtime libertarian activists—including some still close to Paul—all named the same man as Paul’s chief ghostwriter: Ludwig von Mises Institute founder Llewellyn Rockwell, Jr.

          Financial records from 1985 and 2001 show that Rockwell, Paul’s congressional chief of staff from 1978 to 1982, was a vice president of Ron Paul & Associates, the corporation that published the Ron Paul Political Report and the Ron Paul Survival Report. The company was dissolved in 2001. During the period when the most incendiary items appeared—roughly 1989 to 1994—Rockwell and the prominent libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard championed an open strategy of exploiting racial and class resentment to build a coalition with populist “paleoconservatives,” producing a flurry of articles and manifestos whose racially charged talking points and vocabulary mirrored the controversial Paul newsletters recently unearthed by The New Republic. To this day Rockwell remains a friend and advisor to Paul—accompanying him to major media appearances; promoting his candidacy on the LewRockwell.com blog; publishing his books; and peddling an array of the avuncular Texas congressman’s recent writings and audio recordings.

          Rockwell has denied responsibility for the newsletters’ contents to The New Republic’s Jamie Kirchick. Rockwell twice declined to discuss the matter with reason, maintaining this week that he had “nothing to say.” He has characterized discussion of the newsletters as “hysterical smears aimed at political enemies” of The New Republic. Paul himself called the controversy “old news” and “ancient history” when we reached him last week, and he has not responded to further request for comment.

          But a source close to the Paul presidential campaign told reason that Rockwell authored much of the content of the Political Report and Survival Report. “If Rockwell had any honor he’d come out and I say, ‘I wrote this stuff,'” said the source, who asked not to be named because Paul remains friendly with Rockwell and is reluctant to assign responsibility for the letters. “He should have done it 10 years ago.”

          Rockwell was publicly named as Paul’s ghostwriter as far back as a 1988 issue of the now-defunct movement monthly American Libertarian. “This was based on my understanding at the time that Lew would write things that appeared in Ron’s various newsletters,” former AL editor Mike Holmes told reason. “Neither Ron nor Lew ever told me that, but other people close to them such as Murray Rothbard suggested that Lew was involved, and it was a common belief in libertarian circles.”

          As I’ve told others here, if you want to take me on, stop bringing a knife to a gunfight, :) I spent 23 years in Washington dealing with these clowns and I know how they operate.

          • Almandine

            April 6, 2010 at 12:05 pm

            I made no assumption, I merely replied to your comments. Otherwise, I simply linked to an article that identified several significant tidbits regarding govt operations against purported terrorists, particularly the Hutaree. The upshot there was the implication that “just because one is paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.” The corollary with regard to such activity is that those who would suggest the govt is not capable of doing such things, or has not done such things in the past, would be just as gullible should they not believe it is happening or is likely now. Thus, while you may have accurately described the Hutaree, the application of such tactics to other less deserving political opponents will almost surely follow sans public scrutiny and scorn.

            So is William Grigg a Rockwell ghostwriter?

          • griff

            April 6, 2010 at 2:36 pm

            My auto mechanic is a racist. It certainly has no effect on his ability to fix my car.

            I hate to break it to you, but racism exists, and presumably always will. And whites are not the only people guilty of it.

            This past election saw record numbers of blacks register to vote. Was this based on Obama’s policies, or because they had a chance to vote for one of their own?

            Duh!

  14. Carl Nemo

    April 6, 2010 at 10:10 am

    I’m glad to see you posting to your site again Doug. It’s refreshing to see the owner get into to the fray and assert himself.

    Of course you’ve been busy with rebuilding your site of late, but a number of years back you did participate more so in the discussions and I thought it was good for the site.

    It’s nice to know you are still bringing your gun to the fight and generally prevailing; but, beware of Ninjas who can catch bullets in their teeth and throw knives quicker than a roundeye can draw… : )

    Carl Nemo **==