I wasn’t trying to write an apologia for these groups’ violent actions, but simply a reason as to why they are on the rise and can thrive in our country. It seems it’s going to get far worse in time.

Unfortunately our emergent American Empire isn’t going to change course as it tries to influence more outcomes through the use of force not only overseas, but on the domestic front too. It seems in the past twenty years our enforcement agencies have been used as tools in the use of “excess” force for the purpose of sending a message that’s transcendental to reasonable, effective levels of enforcement; ie., overkill within public view.

If the individuals in these groups have been engaged in criminal activity then they need to be brought to justice…period!

Carl Nemo **==

My only response to your rant is how long do you think it would take you to take the opposite reasoning to blame the government if these guys actually acted upon this plan of theirs.

Then your attitude would be that the government was inept at not stopping a band of idiots in our own country. Typical really, their freedom to voice their opinion up until they act, then its why didn’t someone do something to stop them ahead of time.

This is not a justification for the violence, but simply to lay out “cause vs. effect” implications relative to the likes of Tim McVeigh.

“I’ll tell you why, because like most members of patriot groups they’re sick minded cowards. They’re best at killing unarmed women and children.” …extract from post

Where do you come up with these histrionics Bill? The Branch Davidians didn’t kill women and children. Our FBI and their SWAT teams killed the folks in this compound in addition to burning it to the ground.

The Sheriff of the county in which this compound existed knew David Koresh personally and offered to simply drive the FBI up to the compound to confront him with their papers, but they refused seemingly wanting to confront this fringe ‘cult’ group in a publicly televised confrontation which turned out to be a bloody rout. Do your homework and get back to me.

None of the violence was necessary and the blood spilled for everyone in the compound is on the hands of Bill Clinton and his loser AG, Janet Reno.

The purpose of Waco was to send out a message to the people of this nation as to what will happen to them if they question the Feds and the order of the day. Ruby Ridge in Idaho is another example.

I’ve parsed; ie, analyzed all your comments to this site and I’m beginning to believe you are a paid agent provocateur to stir up controversy where none should be.

You aren’t very good at what you do and I tend to agree with Almandine that you should change your handle to “Bluto”; ie., an ignorant, ham-fisted “thought bully” … : |

Carl Nemo **==

The reporters that narrate these clips and report such activities on the various news outlets act like everything is just “peachy keen” concerning the order of the day while these people regardless of their ineffectiveness and skewed mindset are the evildoers.

Rest assured this is just the beginning of such activities and when the balloon goes up all they’ll have is each other to depend upon while America’s well provisioned NWO styled police agencies along with Blackwater, Delta Force and the military proceed to crush the the populace in an unmerciful, over the top fashion.

I’m sure if our leadership ran a tight ship concerning budgets and hadn’t sold out our manufacturing infrastructure during the past 15-20 years to China, India, Malaysia et al. with still jobs aplenty in the U.S. we wouldn’t have such elements rising up . The root cause of much of this unrest is simply massive unemployment throughout the land; ie., a nation of disenfranchised, beat down people.

Many of the men and women who gravitate towards such militias etc. feel mightily disenfranchised by their government and are desperately lashing out; albeit in an ineffective, disorganized fashion led mostly by wack jobs that have no idea of how to wage an effective insurgency.

When things really get ugly then organized groups not publicly claiming militia status etc. will strike with an enduring insurgency that will cause grave circumstances for the powers that be along with their engineered order of the day; ie., the incremental destruction of the United States of America via seemingly aboveboard, but criminally inspired legislation.

Carl Nemo **==