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		<title>By: Bill B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sadly, our Democratic representatives do not want health care reform passed any more than Republican ones want to pass anti-abortion legislation.  

In either case, the party loses a key issue that keeps the rank and file in line.  Without these issues, voters may come to realize that there is hardly enough space between the two parties&#039; policies to slip a knife edge, nor does either care about anyone with an annual income less than seven figures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, our Democratic representatives do not want health care reform passed any more than Republican ones want to pass anti-abortion legislation.  </p>
<p>In either case, the party loses a key issue that keeps the rank and file in line.  Without these issues, voters may come to realize that there is hardly enough space between the two parties&#8217; policies to slip a knife edge, nor does either care about anyone with an annual income less than seven figures.</p>
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		<title>By: Almandine</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26271/comment-page-1#comment-59062</link>
		<dc:creator>Almandine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If your #1 is correct - no bill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your #1 is correct &#8211; no bill.</p>
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		<title>By: b mcclellan</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26271/comment-page-1#comment-59023</link>
		<dc:creator>b mcclellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 05:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear America:

 Witness representative government consume itself, at once from in the outside, inside 
with your blind eyes a crying, your reps twisting, and your guilty bat too heavy to swing for even a single.

I can think of few in government foxholes all over the world as any less my employees,
So is the foul smell of war for profit ! Smell it ! 

At this juncture in the conversation umbrage is my task, Men and Women in far away places need such menial accouterments as to mention a few,

 Coffee, Animal Crackers, Phone Cards, Best Wishes, God Speed, Girl Scout cookies, (you can order them on line) all you need is the ole APO, &quot;an honest supply Sarge will make sure it&#039;s done&quot;, pictures of beautiful little ladies of Eve, and Grace, and Elizabeth successful births by Jenny McCGuillicuddy,



 Heck I have no idea within all the chaos where to focus my anger but at War.

 It must be fun and powerful to not know the drag.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear America:</p>
<p> Witness representative government consume itself, at once from in the outside, inside<br />
with your blind eyes a crying, your reps twisting, and your guilty bat too heavy to swing for even a single.</p>
<p>I can think of few in government foxholes all over the world as any less my employees,<br />
So is the foul smell of war for profit ! Smell it ! </p>
<p>At this juncture in the conversation umbrage is my task, Men and Women in far away places need such menial accouterments as to mention a few,</p>
<p> Coffee, Animal Crackers, Phone Cards, Best Wishes, God Speed, Girl Scout cookies, (you can order them on line) all you need is the ole APO, &#8220;an honest supply Sarge will make sure it&#8217;s done&#8221;, pictures of beautiful little ladies of Eve, and Grace, and Elizabeth successful births by Jenny McCGuillicuddy,</p>
<p> Heck I have no idea within all the chaos where to focus my anger but at War.</p>
<p> It must be fun and powerful to not know the drag.</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26271/comment-page-1#comment-59022</link>
		<dc:creator>woody188</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 05:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear President Obama/Sotero, oh whatever your name is,

If you can&#039;t even finish a bill on mandatory health care insurance, why do you think you can run our nations health care system?

Yours,
Woody]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear President Obama/Sotero, oh whatever your name is,</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t even finish a bill on mandatory health care insurance, why do you think you can run our nations health care system?</p>
<p>Yours,<br />
Woody</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Riddle</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26271/comment-page-1#comment-59016</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Riddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From your list.
1. The House does not trust the Senate.
2. Why would he veto it - see the issue I bring up with your step 4.
He get&#039;s to blame the Republicans for a failure with reconcilation. 
3. No VP has overruled the parliamentarian since Humphey.
4. Remeber there are three special elections coming up by the end of the month.  Republicans stand a good chance of picking up those seats.  If they do then there is now way the House could pass the Senate&#039;s currnet bill to say nothing of the reconciled bill being able to pass either.
6. However if the stars do align for the Democrats then your step 6 is right on the money.  We are screwed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From your list.<br />
1. The House does not trust the Senate.<br />
2. Why would he veto it &#8211; see the issue I bring up with your step 4.<br />
He get&#8217;s to blame the Republicans for a failure with reconcilation.<br />
3. No VP has overruled the parliamentarian since Humphey.<br />
4. Remeber there are three special elections coming up by the end of the month.  Republicans stand a good chance of picking up those seats.  If they do then there is now way the House could pass the Senate&#8217;s currnet bill to say nothing of the reconciled bill being able to pass either.<br />
6. However if the stars do align for the Democrats then your step 6 is right on the money.  We are screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: b mcclellan</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26271/comment-page-1#comment-59014</link>
		<dc:creator>b mcclellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lock, load, safety on, Welcome Dave R and please reply, why do we allow the 90degree argument by less than journeymen plumbers when in fact the clog of the drain persists as these wars? Hence, before we tackle health we are leaving blood everywhere?

Should we not question intensely, demanding as you have a focus on puffed up partisanship and disregard for purpose when 4th graders have the further grasp on parliamentary procedure?

If the American people are not granted the Oscar for least supporting actors..
Finish for me Woody, please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lock, load, safety on, Welcome Dave R and please reply, why do we allow the 90degree argument by less than journeymen plumbers when in fact the clog of the drain persists as these wars? Hence, before we tackle health we are leaving blood everywhere?</p>
<p>Should we not question intensely, demanding as you have a focus on puffed up partisanship and disregard for purpose when 4th graders have the further grasp on parliamentary procedure?</p>
<p>If the American people are not granted the Oscar for least supporting actors..<br />
Finish for me Woody, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Almandine</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26271/comment-page-1#comment-59010</link>
		<dc:creator>Almandine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That all sounds rosy Dave, but there&#039;s a few caveats to your story. Their plan goes as follows:

1. The House and Senate agree up front to accommodate changes wanted by the House to the current Senate bill. The House passes the Senate bill as it is.
2. The Pres vetoes it.
3. The Senate makes the agreed changes and passes it via reconciliation. (Joe Biden, as Pres of the Senate, disallows Parliamentary objections.)
4. The House passes the new Senate bill as amended.
5. The Pres signs it.
6. We&#039;re screwed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That all sounds rosy Dave, but there&#8217;s a few caveats to your story. Their plan goes as follows:</p>
<p>1. The House and Senate agree up front to accommodate changes wanted by the House to the current Senate bill. The House passes the Senate bill as it is.<br />
2. The Pres vetoes it.<br />
3. The Senate makes the agreed changes and passes it via reconciliation. (Joe Biden, as Pres of the Senate, disallows Parliamentary objections.)<br />
4. The House passes the new Senate bill as amended.<br />
5. The Pres signs it.<br />
6. We&#8217;re screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Nemo</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/26271/comment-page-1#comment-58994</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m beginning to think this President is spring-loaded in the &#039;stupid&#039; position.  He doesn&#039;t seem to get the message that &quot;We the People&quot; don&#039;t want his/their corporatist friendly health care bill. 

President Obama is no friend of the people...period!

He&#039;s part of the problem; ie, one uv&#039;em. : &#124;

Carl Nemo **==]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m beginning to think this President is spring-loaded in the &#8216;stupid&#8217; position.  He doesn&#8217;t seem to get the message that &#8220;We the People&#8221; don&#8217;t want his/their corporatist friendly health care bill. </p>
<p>President Obama is no friend of the people&#8230;period!</p>
<p>He&#8217;s part of the problem; ie, one uv&#8217;em. : |</p>
<p>Carl Nemo **==</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Riddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Riddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am sick of hearing all this talk about the Senate pushing for “reconciliation” of their bill.

Take a minute for some elementary school level understanding of how the political process works.

http://www.socialstudiesforkids.com/articles/government/howabillbecomesalaw.htm

  1. The House passes a bill
  2. The Senate passes a bill
  3. If the bills are different they have a conference to iron out the
     differences then…
  4. Each Chamber again votes on the new language
  5. If the Legislation passes both Chambers it goes to the President
     for his signature

Now let’s look at how this plays with ObamaCare

  1. The House passed a bill
  2. The Senate passed a bill
  3. They are NOT having a conference to iron out the differences
  4. They are telling the House to pass the Senate’s bill and THEN Reid
     and Pelosi say they will
  5. Remove the items the House does not like (Cornhusker kickback,
     etc...) and put in things they do want (no funding of abortion
     language, etc…) from the bill they just passed and the Senate will
     then vote again on this “reconciled” bill. Presupposing that the
     Senate Parliamentarian allows these changes as part of this
     reconciliation.
  6. Then the House would have to vote again on this new Senate bill to
     replace the bill they just voted for.

Here is what I predict will happen IF the House does indeed pass the Senate’s rushed through bill from December.

There will be too many items that the Parliamentarian will rule impermissible for budget reconciliation and the Senate will be unable to then actually pass a “reconciliation” bill that could also pass in the House. Then Nancy, Harry and Barack will say well we tried and just could not iron out the differences and it’s all the Republicans fault. Therefore, Barack will “reluctantly” sign the House approved Senate bill because they “have” to pass something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sick of hearing all this talk about the Senate pushing for “reconciliation” of their bill.</p>
<p>Take a minute for some elementary school level understanding of how the political process works.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.socialstudiesforkids.com/articles/government/howabillbecomesalaw.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialstudiesforkids.com/articles/government/howabillbecomesalaw.htm</a></p>
<p>  1. The House passes a bill<br />
  2. The Senate passes a bill<br />
  3. If the bills are different they have a conference to iron out the<br />
     differences then…<br />
  4. Each Chamber again votes on the new language<br />
  5. If the Legislation passes both Chambers it goes to the President<br />
     for his signature</p>
<p>Now let’s look at how this plays with ObamaCare</p>
<p>  1. The House passed a bill<br />
  2. The Senate passed a bill<br />
  3. They are NOT having a conference to iron out the differences<br />
  4. They are telling the House to pass the Senate’s bill and THEN Reid<br />
     and Pelosi say they will<br />
  5. Remove the items the House does not like (Cornhusker kickback,<br />
     etc&#8230;) and put in things they do want (no funding of abortion<br />
     language, etc…) from the bill they just passed and the Senate will<br />
     then vote again on this “reconciled” bill. Presupposing that the<br />
     Senate Parliamentarian allows these changes as part of this<br />
     reconciliation.<br />
  6. Then the House would have to vote again on this new Senate bill to<br />
     replace the bill they just voted for.</p>
<p>Here is what I predict will happen IF the House does indeed pass the Senate’s rushed through bill from December.</p>
<p>There will be too many items that the Parliamentarian will rule impermissible for budget reconciliation and the Senate will be unable to then actually pass a “reconciliation” bill that could also pass in the House. Then Nancy, Harry and Barack will say well we tried and just could not iron out the differences and it’s all the Republicans fault. Therefore, Barack will “reluctantly” sign the House approved Senate bill because they “have” to pass something.</p>
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