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		<title>By: griff</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/25627/comment-page-1#comment-57964</link>
		<dc:creator>griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who killed bipartisanship?

Why, the parties did.</description>
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<p>Why, the parties did.</p>
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		<title>By: MightyMo</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/25627/comment-page-1#comment-57968</link>
		<dc:creator>MightyMo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be more specific, the parties are made up exclusively by American citizens who we elect. In other words, we killed bipartisanship, and more than likely we killed bipartisanship because of only a few issues that predominate the interests of the two sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be more specific, the parties are made up exclusively by American citizens who we elect. In other words, we killed bipartisanship, and more than likely we killed bipartisanship because of only a few issues that predominate the interests of the two sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/25627/comment-page-1#comment-57971</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that Gingrich was the ringleader of the end of bipartisan cooperation, it goes deeper than that. Gingrich may have been the ringleader but most of the rest of our legislature was eager to follow.

The real change was one of priorities. Used to be that being elected to national office forced a changing of priorities. During the election the prospective legislator would be concerned with 1) the success of his party, 2) the well-being of his state or district, and 3) the well-being of the U.S.

Upon being elected those priorities would reverse. The top priority would be the well-being of the U.S., followed by the well-being of his state or district, followed by the well-being of his party.

That&#039;s the way it was, or seemed to be, pre-Gingrich. Post Gingrich we don&#039;t see the priority reversal on being elected. Legislators continue to be partisans foremost, putting the well-being of the U.S. as a whole last.

—W—</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that Gingrich was the ringleader of the end of bipartisan cooperation, it goes deeper than that. Gingrich may have been the ringleader but most of the rest of our legislature was eager to follow.</p>
<p>The real change was one of priorities. Used to be that being elected to national office forced a changing of priorities. During the election the prospective legislator would be concerned with 1) the success of his party, 2) the well-being of his state or district, and 3) the well-being of the U.S.</p>
<p>Upon being elected those priorities would reverse. The top priority would be the well-being of the U.S., followed by the well-being of his state or district, followed by the well-being of his party.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the way it was, or seemed to be, pre-Gingrich. Post Gingrich we don&#8217;t see the priority reversal on being elected. Legislators continue to be partisans foremost, putting the well-being of the U.S. as a whole last.</p>
<p>—W—</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/25627/comment-page-1#comment-57973</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why are the priorities in office what they are? While books could be filled with contributing factors, I suspect the major one is the dumbing-down of our media. Reasoned debate is boring. Eyes close and heads nod. But, bring on some good old partisan mud-slinging 10-second soundbites and the eyes open. Yup, us-versus-them contests attract open eyeballs, especially when the action happens in 10-second plays. Call it TV football mentality.

Corporations pay for commercials that pay for the news that we see, whether on TV or the internet, or even in the paper. Corporations want open eyeballs to see their commercials. Us-versus-them contests keep the eyeballs open. Politicians want eyeballs to see THEM, especially winning a contest. QED.

—W—</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why are the priorities in office what they are? While books could be filled with contributing factors, I suspect the major one is the dumbing-down of our media. Reasoned debate is boring. Eyes close and heads nod. But, bring on some good old partisan mud-slinging 10-second soundbites and the eyes open. Yup, us-versus-them contests attract open eyeballs, especially when the action happens in 10-second plays. Call it TV football mentality.</p>
<p>Corporations pay for commercials that pay for the news that we see, whether on TV or the internet, or even in the paper. Corporations want open eyeballs to see their commercials. Us-versus-them contests keep the eyeballs open. Politicians want eyeballs to see THEM, especially winning a contest. QED.</p>
<p>—W—</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Bonsell</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/25627/comment-page-1#comment-57976</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Bonsell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good God, are we ever going to get past this nonsense that Ronald Reagan had to contend with a Democrat-controlled Congress.  That is not true.

Reagan went into office with a Republican Senate (Howard Baker was majority leader for four years, Bob Dole for two; the period in which Reagan did the most damage to this country). While Tip O&#039;Neill was Speaker of the House during the disastrous Reagan run, the House was mostly conservative.  Democrats went by the seniority system in awarding committee chairmanships and Southern right-wingers (many now Republicans, if God hasn&#039;t called them home), held most positions of power.

Calling Newt Gingrich a liar and hypocrite is a good observation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good God, are we ever going to get past this nonsense that Ronald Reagan had to contend with a Democrat-controlled Congress.  That is not true.</p>
<p>Reagan went into office with a Republican Senate (Howard Baker was majority leader for four years, Bob Dole for two; the period in which Reagan did the most damage to this country). While Tip O&#8217;Neill was Speaker of the House during the disastrous Reagan run, the House was mostly conservative.  Democrats went by the seniority system in awarding committee chairmanships and Southern right-wingers (many now Republicans, if God hasn&#8217;t called them home), held most positions of power.</p>
<p>Calling Newt Gingrich a liar and hypocrite is a good observation.</p>
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		<title>By: MightyMo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is going back to the &quot;early&quot; days of my involvement in politics, but I firmly believe that Gingrich, like many other conservatives of his era, were the first to place so much emphasis on religion, and the incorporation of religion into American political decisions.
I think Reagan was the first to so openly bring religion into the public view of his decision making. I have often heard that Roe vs Wade and the religious outcry against it, was the catalyst.
Utah, one of the most conservative states of the Union was always Democrat prior to the 70&#039;s. Democrats historicaly stood for what was best for people, while Republicans were always pro business.
With Reagan that began to change to Republicans being viewed as business, and more importantly, supporters of the Religious right, of course we now know that they only support the Religious Right when necessary.
That view of one side being supporters and the other side as not has only increased over the years, and the decisiveness of Religion has manifested itself into tearing the government and the country into an &quot;us and them&quot; affair.
I personally believe that until we have some issue of overriding importance that unifies this nation with one cause, the tearing of the nation because of religion will only worsen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is going back to the &#8220;early&#8221; days of my involvement in politics, but I firmly believe that Gingrich, like many other conservatives of his era, were the first to place so much emphasis on religion, and the incorporation of religion into American political decisions.<br />
I think Reagan was the first to so openly bring religion into the public view of his decision making. I have often heard that Roe vs Wade and the religious outcry against it, was the catalyst.<br />
Utah, one of the most conservative states of the Union was always Democrat prior to the 70&#8242;s. Democrats historicaly stood for what was best for people, while Republicans were always pro business.<br />
With Reagan that began to change to Republicans being viewed as business, and more importantly, supporters of the Religious right, of course we now know that they only support the Religious Right when necessary.<br />
That view of one side being supporters and the other side as not has only increased over the years, and the decisiveness of Religion has manifested itself into tearing the government and the country into an &#8220;us and them&#8221; affair.<br />
I personally believe that until we have some issue of overriding importance that unifies this nation with one cause, the tearing of the nation because of religion will only worsen.</p>
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		<title>By: almandine</title>
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		<description>Last I heard, anyone could just &quot;sign up&quot; for either political party, or not, depending on his/her personal desires. 

Maybe this shows part of the problem... a widespread basic misunderstanding of the American political system. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last I heard, anyone could just &#8220;sign up&#8221; for either political party, or not, depending on his/her personal desires. </p>
<p>Maybe this shows part of the problem&#8230; a widespread basic misunderstanding of the American political system.</p>
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		<title>By: griff</title>
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		<description>If there were no parties, then maybe we would actually have real polical debate about real issues, and choose our representatives based on substance rather than hype and propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there were no parties, then maybe we would actually have real polical debate about real issues, and choose our representatives based on substance rather than hype and propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: almandine</title>
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		<description>Is this not enough?

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/02.10/bankrupt.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this not enough?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/02.10/bankrupt.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/02.10/bankrupt.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carl Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Almandine for supplying a link concerning the Greenspan-Guidotti rule concerning national bankruptcy.

I&#039;ve been aware of the rule and the thought of national bankruptcy has been proposed on CHB &amp; RR for some time. 

Quite possibly it could turn out to be a good thing for the citizens of the U.S. and the world in general since we are the largest of all national solvency failures on the horizon. 

I&#039;m posting a Wiki link concerning &quot;national bankruptcy&quot; along with a sublink concerning the survivors of such and their newly ensconced government in place repudiating &quot;odious debt&quot;. 

*****

The politically entrenched &#039;borrowers&#039; have committed a hostile act against the people, they cannot expect a nation which has freed itself of a despotic regime to assume these odious debts, which are the personal debts of the ruler...extract from Wiki
*****

Fascinating indeed and the concept of outright repudiation makes sense too in terms of a summary solution. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_bankruptcy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odious_debt

Since we seemingly are now under the control of serial &quot;hostile regimes&quot; that no longer do the bidding of the people nor act to promote the general welfare or to run a sound balanced budget, then I believe his theorem will hold valid when sh*t hits the fan in two years or less. It seems more things than geological disasters are headed our way. Fatcat bankers and their running dogs in Congress, State houses etc. can easily be shuffled aside relative to their demands; ie, those that have the guns make the rules. A new ruling body would be foolish to placate bankers as opposed to appeasing a hostile, post revolutionary populace. 

When the loan is made to the small borrower the bank controls the outcome, but when loans of astronomical proportions are in question the borrower controls the banker; ie., they would be grateful to be repaid in pennies on the dollar or if it all if their very lives are at stake.

Banks, bankers and the entire world paradigm of such practices are in for a rude day of reckoning when they get stiffed by their mega-borrowers; ie., nations themselves. / : &#124; 

Carl Nemo **==
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Almandine for supplying a link concerning the Greenspan-Guidotti rule concerning national bankruptcy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been aware of the rule and the thought of national bankruptcy has been proposed on CHB &#038; RR for some time. </p>
<p>Quite possibly it could turn out to be a good thing for the citizens of the U.S. and the world in general since we are the largest of all national solvency failures on the horizon. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m posting a Wiki link concerning &#8220;national bankruptcy&#8221; along with a sublink concerning the survivors of such and their newly ensconced government in place repudiating &#8220;odious debt&#8221;. </p>
<p>*****</p>
<p>The politically entrenched &#8216;borrowers&#8217; have committed a hostile act against the people, they cannot expect a nation which has freed itself of a despotic regime to assume these odious debts, which are the personal debts of the ruler&#8230;extract from Wiki<br />
*****</p>
<p>Fascinating indeed and the concept of outright repudiation makes sense too in terms of a summary solution. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_bankruptcy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_bankruptcy</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odious_debt" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odious_debt</a></p>
<p>Since we seemingly are now under the control of serial &#8220;hostile regimes&#8221; that no longer do the bidding of the people nor act to promote the general welfare or to run a sound balanced budget, then I believe his theorem will hold valid when sh*t hits the fan in two years or less. It seems more things than geological disasters are headed our way. Fatcat bankers and their running dogs in Congress, State houses etc. can easily be shuffled aside relative to their demands; ie, those that have the guns make the rules. A new ruling body would be foolish to placate bankers as opposed to appeasing a hostile, post revolutionary populace. </p>
<p>When the loan is made to the small borrower the bank controls the outcome, but when loans of astronomical proportions are in question the borrower controls the banker; ie., they would be grateful to be repaid in pennies on the dollar or if it all if their very lives are at stake.</p>
<p>Banks, bankers and the entire world paradigm of such practices are in for a rude day of reckoning when they get stiffed by their mega-borrowers; ie., nations themselves. / : | </p>
<p>Carl Nemo **==</p>
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