Winning the War in Iraq???

Oh dear, I woke up this morning reading the news items on the CHB home page.  It was nothing more than partisan street fights. 

Speaker Pelosi returned from her Middle Eastern trip facing all kinds of criticism from Vice President Dick Cheney and other Republicans who claim she may have hurt America’s chances of winning the war in Iraq. 

Almost daily I want to run screaming asking everyone what it means to win the war in Iraq.

Many Conservatives that I communicate with on my own network of addresses tell me that they want to see the end of Islam in the Middle East.  I’ve been told that Islam outnumbers us (whatever “us” is, or are) and it would mean a world war encompassing 80% of the nations on the planet.  Another viewpoint is that the Middle East must be introduced (read “forced”) into a Democracy, which often means “mob rule”. 

Is it not possible to leave Iraq to the people involved and let them sort out their own democracy?  It might mean that a civil war will be recognized (versus a civil war not recognized) and the winner takes all.  At this point in time, America seems to have pissed off all sides of the civil war and it is to our advantage to ignore the whole damn thing.

There is more to our action in Iraq than meets the eye.  Is it the oil that we are protecting?  How do we explain this action?

See Article.

Iraq is apparently dealing with Asia as far as their oil resources go.  So let’s go back to why we are still involved in a war where we come out with no advantages.  Not a single member of the White House can explain what a win in Iraq would mean.  I hear a lot of comments like this war is keeping America free from attack.  This is absurd!  The same people pushing this spin are keeping our borders open to any terrorist who wants to strike us from within.  How stupid do they think we are? 

Will it come down to the Republican Party having to protect the legacy of their Republican president?  We saw a similar problem with the Democrats protecting President Clinton, but no American lives were in jeopardy.  The similarity stops right there.  President Clinton enjoyed screwing the ladies and President Bush is screwing the entire American nation. 

Personally, I was never affected by the promiscuity of any of our Presidents but I am affected by the loss of so many American soldiers….and I cannot help but ask why?

I am constantly disappointed in the Republican Party these last years.  They have become so partisan in their actions and threats to become unacceptable to the majority of their own party members.  The agenda that drew millions to the membership has changed to reflect almost the opposite of their meaning.  In 2000 the GOP reached into the barrel of the religious right and traded American individual freedoms for the votes that they would bring.  I’m still confused as who won the battle with the religious right?  They opened up the fight against abortion and gay marriages but lost the election in 2006.  Unless they knock off the social issues they will lose the election in 2008 and they will sit around in a panic and wonder why. 

The battle will be lost on two items:  the war in Iraq and the prohibitions on individual freedoms.  We are now seeing several Republican Groups trying to clean up their losses by claiming to be against the religious right and promoting individual freedoms.  Sorry pals, you are too damn late.  You voted for a President who took America into a war based on lies and false interpretation of facts.  You voted for a President who has shown little respect for our Americans who were destroyed by Katrina.  You voted for a President who has yet to explain one damn thing he has done wrong. 

If the GOP wants to win another election they are going to have to listen to the voters.  We want our troops out of Iraq since our current President has still not learned how to win a war.  We want our corporations to stop leaving America.  We want our borders closed and a return to a sane Immigration policy asking that all people wanting to live in America have a clean police record and health certificates.  It means that the government returns to protecting all of us from a dangerous immigration allowing criminals to have the right of way and to keep control of the new citizens so our State and County Registrars can control who can legally vote. 

Do I believe the Democrats have a better system?  Actually no! 

Comments

  1. Sandy,
    You regularly talk about your disappointment with the Republicans of recent times. I have also been very disappointed with them, by an large, because they have moved away from Republican views. Some of my friends have recently been evangelizing about Ron Paul and trying to get all of their friends to register as Republican so as to vote for him in the 2008 Presidential primary. I’ve done some of my own research and so far determined he’s my favorite choice among the Republican Presidential hopefuls, even though he’s pro-birth and pro-“traditional” marriage. What are your opinions about him?

    Thanks,
    Jarrod

  2. Booman has gone off on a rant this morning : Iraq for beginners ( Booman Tribune). Between his chat and a look at the war game Don Rumsfeld ‘lost’ – I’ve posted a link on my Blogroll to Desert Crossing – the proposition that Iraq is a result of incompetence looks less plausible than the idea that malice and greed were the motivation : plus Bush got to be the ‘War President’ and take away the freedom of the people.

  3. Sandy Price

    But if the Republican Party turns on him as they turned on Goldwater in 1964, he will have no chance. Goldwater was a limited government kind of guy with individual freedoms very much in his sights but Rockefeller started telling everyone that Goldwater was Jewish and that was the end of his campaign.

    The GOP cannot seem to get their agenda straight and it should be no question that they are still working for a Christian Nation. American Values are now found only in the bible and our Constitution has taken some terrible hits since this new agenda was adopted. I will never vote Republican again unless a man of Paul’s character and integrity runs and then I will work full time for his election. I may have to leave here at that time. One thing he is going to have to do is come up with a V.P. who has the charisma that he is missing.

    Sadly the Democrats have not been able to arrange what they want even in theory and they all seem to be working to knock Bush off his pedestal. That won’t do it! They need a strong message around a strong candidate.

    Our future in America will be in the balance in 2008 and we all must work as a team to help our candidates even if we here at CHB disagree who they are.

  4. The Iraq Oil Law.
    If Osama bin Laden himself were to assist in easing the passage of this law we’d see the biggest rehabilitation of a public figure in recorded history, and Osama would seemingly overnight be transformed back into the “freedom fighter” that he was when Reagan intoned his name during a 1985 press conference.

  5. Judy Bodnar

    This war is now, always has been and will forever be about OIL! The world will see how we have won the war only after we have removed our troops from Iraq and find that within 24 hrs there is an all out civil war. This Bush/Cheney OIL war cannot and will not be won because it was based on lies told by two hubris liars who happened to have Congress under their party’s control, and oil on their minds!

  6. Mike

    dollars on credit acting like imperialist pigs and we didn’t even successfully steal Iraq’s oil. All the downside, none of the upside. Total failure.

  7. Sandy Price

    Apparently the Bush Administration was not around when we were fighting in Vietnam. We did not win that war nor could we have had we even tried. Here we go again. We had enough news coverage after 9/11 to take us into Afghanistan. When did we win that one? Does anyone know? Is it not now known that it was a set up to get us into Iraq for the oil?

    The networks fell all over themselves to feed us the propaganda that Bush fed them. Some of us knew from the beginning that Saddam had no interest in terrorizing America. But we were never told that there were no WMDs found in Iraq until Bush was firmly in place for another 4 years.

    Some of us tried to warn the American people that our government was not on the level and we were thrown out of many of our old Conservative sites. I was already out of CHB but I can show you lists of other sites who were emotionally so taken up with Bush’s social issues that losing lives in Iraq didn’t matter. Sadly they still exist and still can ignore the deaths of our soldiers.

    The terrorism sent out to guide American voters has driven the Republican Party out of their minds. Many are threatening Atomic bombs be thrown in Iran, Syria, and Iraq. They are driven by a crusade-like emotion that Islam must be destroyed. Some of my best friends have lost their rational minds over this hatred for Islam.

    Many are Fox fans and have been taken in by the graphics, background music and emotional hysteria that is now all over the networks. The other night I saw Brian Williams on NBC reporting that Americans are under a siege of pollen. Minor chords with drums and crashing timpany announced our possible end during the yearly spring pollenating of our trees.

    They all thrive on war! they thrive on tabloid exposure of our celebrities and they are all boring me silly.

    Are we making use of the internet to communicate with each other? I think here at CHB we are and we must continue to take the headlines and discuss them without spin and partisan nonsense.

    Many other sites have labelled us as liberals, anarchists, and out of step with the government (hell yes!) and they do not recognize our individual broad opinions that do not have to agree with anyone else. I love the debates here with our blogs. We are often very emotional and we should be!

  8. Paolo

    Hi Sandy,

    Well said! The Bushies and their blow-hard media allies (Limbaugh and Hannity et. al.) say we need to have “victory” in Iraq.

    I distinctly remember Limbaugh lambasting Clinton in the 1990’s for not having a “clear definition of victory” in the Balkans civil war. Also, he lambasted Clinton for not having a clear “exit strategy.”

    This was a rare case of Limbaugh being right. However, he refuses to apply his own standards to Bush.

    How do you define “victory” in a “war on terror?”

    In a normal war, victory is defined by the rival government signing surrender documents and agreeing to terms. There is no such thing as a “terrorist government” to sign documents ending the “war on terror.”

    From a tyrant’s point of view, the “war on terror” is a godsend: a war that can literally go on forever! War, as Randolph Bourne put it, is the health of the state.