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Pentagon ordered to prepare Iran bombing plan

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February 25, 2007

Despite the Bush administration’s insistence it has no plans to go to war with Iran, a Pentagon panel has been created to plan a bombing attack that could be implemented within 24 hours of getting the go-ahead from President George W. Bush, The New Yorker magazine reported in its latest issue.

022507bombing.jpgThe special planning group was established within the office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in recent months, according to an unidentified former U.S. intelligence official cited in the article by investigative reporter Seymour Hersh in the March 4 issue.

The panel initially focused on destroying Iran’s nuclear facilities and on regime change but has more recently been directed to identify targets in Iran that may be involved in supplying or aiding militants in Iraq, according to an Air Force adviser and a Pentagon consultant, who were not identified.

The consultant and a former senior intelligence official both said that U.S. military and special-operations teams had crossed the border from Iraq into Iran in pursuit of Iranian operatives, according to the article.

In response to the report, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said: “The United States is not planning to go to war with Iran. To suggest anything to the contrary is simply wrong, misleading and mischievous.

“The United States has been very clear with respect to its concerns regarding specific Iranian government activities. The president has repeatedly stated publicly that this country is going to work with allies in the region to address those concerns through diplomatic efforts,” Whitman said.

Pentagon officials say they maintain contingency plans for literally dozens of potential conflicts around the world and that all plans are subject to regular and ongoing review.

The article, citing unnamed current and former U.S. officials, also said the Bush administration received intelligence from Israel that Iran had developed an intercontinental missile capable of delivering several small warheads that could reach Europe. It added the validity of that intelligence was still being debated.

The article also included an interview conducted in December with Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, who said that while he had no interest in initiating another war with Israel, he was anticipating and preparing for another Israeli attack sometime this year.

Israel launched a cross-border offensive against Hezbollah in Lebanon last July.

Nasrallah also said he was open to talks with Washington if such discussions “can be useful and influential in determining American policy in the region,” but they would be waste of time if the purpose was to impose policy.

Copyright © 2007 Reuters Limited

49 Responses to Pentagon ordered to prepare Iran bombing plan

  1. skyguy

    February 25, 2007 at 6:31 pm

    Folks, IMHO the entire “War on Terrorism” (what a vague term) scam is nothing but a money-laundering scheme. We supposedly pump billions of our hard-earned tax dollars into the Middle East in the name of beefing up our military presence in order to force Freedom down the throats of everyone there whether they want it or not. And all the while, our ground troops are driving around in equipment with so little shielding/plating/armament around them that they aren’t protected from a BB entering.

    In truth, those billions of dollars are going elsewhere – in the form of mainly paper transactions ’cause no real money gets to its’ intended destinations – to pay off everyone who is being used in the set-up and establishment of the NWO. The ‘war’ is a sideshow, a principle distraction. And many corporations are reaping the staggering benefits of those laundered dollars/Euros/Francs/Deutsch Marks/Lira/Yuan/HK Dollars, etc.

    The real goal? I believe it will manifest itself through the ‘banksters’ and the globalists, and it will be “cold.” And, through the CFR, the Bilderbergers and the Council of 13 as well. Money, money, money – it’s the only thing any of those cowardly thugs understand. And Bush and Cheney are getting their share of the raid, on that you can bet.

  2. Carl Nemo

    February 25, 2007 at 7:21 pm

    The checks and balances of our once great Republic have failed to halt an out of control executive branch. The Senate and the House best get off their dead butts asap and do whatever is necessary to reign-in King George. What happens if a president along with his closest adivors aren’t operating with a “full deck” as in this case. Who’s to stop them?! Most of the military guys are only interested in their next star or what kind of cush job they’l land in the M.I. Complex post retirement. I personally “know” this is the case. They’l be safe in the bunker and very few will resign rather than follow an illegal order that’s tantamount to international criminality. That was the hopeful escape mantra of lower level Nazis post WWII in that “they were only following orders” as they gassed jews, gypsies, Catholics, and others that were classed as enemies of the state. The gas chambers were not exclusive to the jews. So here we are folks, the dawn of the 21st century and America, once the land of the free and home of the brave has now turned into an out of control aggressor, hell-bent on establishing the shadow of militaristic hegemony over the people’s of the earth.

    “All” of Iran’s weaponry and technology has been purchased from Russia, China, France and Germany. Their uranium oxide was supplied courtesy of Pakistan supposedly an ally of the U.S. They were even supplied plans on how to build a nuke courtesy of our CIA…?! I’ll supply a link concerning this. Even their uranium enrichment equipment has been supplied by our “free world” friends. “We the People” and the people’s of the world are being taken for a ride by the shadowy controllers that have taken over this once great Republic. My only suggestion at this point is for all citizen/patriots to get motivated and to contact their elected reps this coming week and demand de-escalation, de-funding, and re-deployment of our troops. Inform your elected officials they best get moving before Bushco starts the ramp-up for WWIII. This next WW could start out as a theatre-based engagement such as in Iran and just might become a wrap with ICBM’s incoming on CONUS. Guess what; the smug sob’s in the bunker could care less if “we the people” are barbecued. They’l be partying hearty on their 10+ years of supplies, along with hot n’ cold running hookers, watching an endless supply of first run films. I can assure you they are well-stocked for the end times. If and when they crawl out of their holes they’l be sorely disppointed because there will be no one left rule nor tax into oblivion. The politicians and the “high command”;i.e., our “fearless” leaders will be out of a job…! :))

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1678220,00.html

    http://www.conservativeusa.org/megalink.htm

  3. Ray

    February 25, 2007 at 7:34 pm

    You are correct Skyguy. The whole thing is a sham to extract all the money from working class americans. The end goal is Global Enslavement. Many people scoff at such a suggestion, but those who do, should really look closer at what is going on and ask themselves why. But there is the lying ass media to tell them what reality is and to discredit anyone with a different explaination of the insanity that rules the planet now. Terrorists are nothing more than CIA property used specifically to stir up designed chaos wherever the controllers want to change governments. And in the end it is american troops who are used as the crusaders to capture the terrain. It is a very disgusting and evil truth of todays world. And it is likely to escalate rapidly in the next few months as Bush is running out of time and Hillary is not too popular. They will enact martial law, attack Iran and Syria. Enact the new north american union and life as we know it will change radically. Unless, everyone wakes up and sees the true reality upon us

  4. Kent Shaw

    February 25, 2007 at 8:01 pm

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    Sandy Price wrote: “If we do go into Iran, will it be from the air or more of our ground troop ill-prepared?”

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    I believe the 21,500 troop “surge”, along with the existing troops in Iraq, will be positioned to invade and occupy the oil fields in the south of Iran while the rest of the country will be subject to massive bombing.

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    I do not believe the U.S. will at first use nuclear weapons. But if the Iranians mount a successful response and manage to sink one or more aircraft carriers and some of carrier group support ships, at that point I believe the U.S. will go nuclear.

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    If the U.S. does go nuclear I do not believe Russia and China will sit idly by without a nuclear response of some kind. This does not necessarily mean they would attack the U.S. mainland but that they may decide to finish off the remaining U.S. forces in Iraq. Both of those countries were heavily invested in Iraq and both are heavily invested in Iran, which supplies much of China’s oil.

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    Just my humble opinion, which of course is worth every cent you just paid for it.

  5. Kent Shaw

    February 25, 2007 at 8:05 pm

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    Ray wrote: “You see, by the use of suggestion and slow but steady enactment, affirmed by treasonist false flag events and media spin, Thier goals will be attained as planned. pnac is on schedule.”

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    Yes. It all becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Oh, well, we can’t stop now because we’ve come so far. We can’t dishonor the troops already killed by stopping now. Of course none of this had to happen in the first place. But, OH, we can’t stop now. Insanity.

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  6. Kent Shaw

    February 25, 2007 at 8:09 pm

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    Ray wrote: “Terrorists are nothing more than CIA property used specifically to stir up designed chaos wherever the controllers want to change governments.”

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    The neocons blatantly and bluntly state this in their policy papers. They call it “creative destruction.”

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  7. kate

    February 25, 2007 at 8:41 pm

    George won’t be happy until World War III has started. He is a nightmare and should be incarcerated….

    He preaches family values and you can’t do stem cell research and is against abortion but he had no problem as Gov. killing people in his home state, even the mentally challanged, and he has no problem sending Americans on a death march or for that matter the innocent civilians that are hurt by our actions in these other countries.

    He has no respect for anyone or anything. If he was a dog they would have put him to sleep by now…

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  9. Ray

    February 26, 2007 at 12:40 am

    As I was reviewing the posts, the first response from Chris, he makes the point that the military has to make all kinds of contingency plans, just in case. This is true. This point should drive home another point that needs attention. That is how did four highjacked airliners wander around the most protected airspace in the world for quite some time reaching thier targets without confronting at least one of the many contingency plans that the military always has in place. Think about that. The Pentagon has anti-aircraft missles, but automatic alert response? Just another little fact that tells us that 911 was not what they tell you.

  10. The South Point

    February 26, 2007 at 9:03 am

    For those who don’t know what a Kearny fallout meter is…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kearny_Fallout_Meter

  11. Kent Shaw

    February 26, 2007 at 1:24 am

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    There are multiple video security tapes available of the “airplane” that hit the Pentagon. Some come from a nearby gas station, others from a nearby hotel. Yet they have been confiscated and cannot be shown for reasons of national security. Yeah. Sure. I guess it would give aid and comfort to those Saudi Arabs who attacked us that day to show them their direct hit. Yeah. Thats the ticket. That must be it. Yeah.

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  12. Rice Farmer

    February 26, 2007 at 2:14 am

    If you peruse the sites of oil and gas journals, and of business news services, you will see the reason for Bush’s desperation. Despite the best efforts of the US to keep foreign capital out of Iran and strangle its economy, countries and companies around the world are making oil and gas deals with Iran. Which means they are going to get Iran’s oil instead of the US. The Empire is desperate.

  13. Walt Ludewig

    February 26, 2007 at 4:58 am

    There is one last hope to save our Republic.. When George Bush was DCI, he was generally like and more importantly,

    respected as a person of some honor and

    integrity by employees of the Agency..

    Former President Bush is the only person

    I can think of that might have the means and opportunity to remove both his son and Vice President Cheney from office in a most expedient and direct fashion..

    It would be a great service to the people of the United States..

  14. Cashel Boylo

    February 26, 2007 at 4:58 am

    I Won’t Be Rushed

    to the tune of:-

    Nobody Knows You When You’re Down And Out

    I won’t be rushed, there’s plenty of time

    I’m gonna be here till two thousand an’ nine

    Why should I hurry? Why should I worry?

    I’m War President, Deciden’ th’ best for the c’untry

    I’m doin’ God’s work, spreadin’ Freedom all round

    A better Decider just could not be found

    I unnerstan’ war’s tough, that’s why I dodged ‘Nam

    An’ was wounded by a dentist’s drill in Alabam’

    I reject all ideas that would lead to defeat

    People gotta unnerstan’ victory must be complete

    At th’ ‘propriate time, I’ll say where we’re headed

    I’ll present My New Way Forward with Iraqis embedded

    I’m weighin’ my options for Iraq

    We’re goin’ forward, we ain’t goin’ back

    I got a better plan, a bran’ new scam

    I think I just might nuke Iran

  15. Newmanae

    February 26, 2007 at 5:05 am

    This is clearly saber rattling and more manipulation of the press by this administration. Unnamed sources recycling old news to inflame the masses and maybe make the Iranians hesitate. Plans for bombing Iran? Now that’s news! Iranians supplying Iraqi insurgents? Wow! Our mainstream media seems to be incapable of true investigative reporting or critical editing. Are we going to attack Iran? No, Bush has screwed that pooch, his poor handling of the afterwar in Iraq has dashed the neocon dream of regime change and world domination by the U.S. This administration is simply in survival mode, it’s philosophical underpinnings have collapsed, it’s approach to diplomacy has failed dismally and it’s domestic agenda is an embarrassment. They’re just trying to salvage anything they can, make it through 2 more years and maybe get 1 more Supreme Court nomination.

  16. JimZ

    February 26, 2007 at 5:22 am

    Let’s not forget all the deals China and India will get for Venezuelan oil since Chimpy boy keeps poking them in the eyes.

    Hugo Chavez can have a heyday playing despot in his country. He’ll have the money AND have plenty of ammunition to use for word bombs at the U.S., and use the threat of the U.S. for his own devices.

    We best be getting off of oil if we continue to screw over all the oil nations.

  17. SEAL

    February 26, 2007 at 8:35 am

    True, we have contingency plans for just about every senario imaginable. The difference is that this one is the top priority of the thugs in the White House. As I have stated before, they are seeking an excuse to demonstrate our ability to obliterate a nation’s or a peoples ideological history, to invalidate their existence, to remove all evidence of it. They need to show that we are more powerful than the muslim religion. One gigantic mushroom cloud should do it. That’s how demented they are.

  18. The South Point

    February 26, 2007 at 8:59 am

    Ka-BOOOOOOOM!!!

    http://license.icopyright.net/user/viewFreeUse.act?fuid=Mjk5MDA2

    You DO have your Kearny fallout meters ready, don’t you?

    Have a nice day.

  19. Kent Shaw

    February 26, 2007 at 1:40 pm

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    Good informed comment, Rice Farmer. It makes total sense. Of course it is not often reported, also, that the true power in Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei, diplomatically offered just about anything this administration could ask for, AND assisted the U.S. in its Afghanistan efforts, but was rejected out of hand. It seems that the Straussian concept of “creative destruction” must be followed to the bitter end. No diplomacy. Not us. We are the big kid on the block, and diplomacy is for wimps.

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  20. JimZ

    February 26, 2007 at 3:52 pm

    SEAL – what you are saying sounds an awful lot like what the U.S. did to the Native Americans, what the British Empire did to Ireland, and what Spain did to the South American native peoples.

    For the Native Americans, we’ve already proven we are capable of obliterating a culture and their history.

  21. ron.kay

    February 26, 2007 at 6:43 pm

    ..this whole gang is a bunch of pathological liars lining their own war profiteering pockets…..why would this information surprise anyone ??

    they want the price of oil to rise…they bomb the piss out of Iran…create a constitutional crisis…Iran jacks up the price of oil…gas goes to 5 bucks a gallon…the public rebels…..bush delclares martial law….and proclaims him self emperor of the world as he suspends posse comitatus(sp?) , and habeus corpus…..and the 2008 election….and for good terrifying measure they use a tactical nuke in someplance like Bump Idaho…blame it on the terrorists……..and viola..we have an imperial presidency……and all the fat cats laugh all the way to their offshore numbered accounts in switzerland and the Camen Islands.

    nope; it’s not a conspiracy, boys and girls……..it’s a right wing business plan.

    gotta thank Osama for making all this possible. (I think, he’s probably in for a percentage.)

  22. JimZ

    February 26, 2007 at 10:30 pm

    For those wanting to know how long the “New World Order” has been in the works, you can check out the book by Gary Allen, “Say ‘NO’ To The New World Order”, written back in 1986. It’s getting hard to find but you can find it on amazon.com. Gary wrote an earlier book called “None Dare Call It Conspiracy”, back in the 1970’s, which explores more of that period, such as the Trilateral Commission.

  23. Ray

    February 26, 2007 at 9:09 pm

    Mr. Ludewig I hate to pop your bubble, but George Bush Sr. is not the great honorable man that you suggest. He is higher up the cabal ladder than Jr. is but he also has worked very hard to destroy this country. He announced the new world order back in 1991. He also is one major arms dealer that set up most the terrorist organizations including Alquida. Do some research on ol GHW and you’ll discover one powerful and evil man who is also a well none pedophile. One of his more profound statements was to a reporter during an interview when he said ” If the american people knew all the things we Bush’s have done to them, they would run us down and hang us”.

  24. The South Point

    February 26, 2007 at 11:40 pm

    The military boots out ordinary gay people who have done nothing wrong, yet is completely submissive to Bush who is a known deranged closet case.

    How come this doesn’t make any sense?

  25. JimZ

    February 26, 2007 at 11:47 pm

    Don’t you SEE, South Point?

    Black is white, and white is black in Bu$hworld. A grain of redneck logic in every bowl.

  26. Ray

    February 27, 2007 at 12:53 am

    Hey Jim Z, I still got a copy of Gary Allens book, None Dare Call it Conspiracy. Really is interesting to read again thirty years later. What’s incredible is that the same conspiracy is still going on, only much larger now and more obvious lately. This congressman wrote this book exposing these criminals in the late seventies and nothing has been done in all those years to stop it. Doesn’t give much faith in hoping it will stop anytime soon, does it? Just cause people read about it, doesn’t mean anyone will or can stop it. Like a big snowball rolling down the mountain piskin up speed and more fat cats all the time.

  27. Chris Dawson

    February 25, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    It would be criminal negligence for the military of the United States to NOT have plans like these for many places around the world. Contingency planning is essential to the security of any nation. Would anyone like to have people in charge of the protection of a nation who DON”T think about potential trouble spots and plan accordingly?

    The US invasion of Iraq was an illegal war of aggression. An attack on Iran now would be the same. I do not trust this administartion as far as I could throw Dennis Hastert, but planning for contingencies needs to happen. It is President Bush’s fault that people don’t trust what he says anymore, but that should not stop the military from coming up with plans for many possibilities.

  28. Peter Chewning

    February 25, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    Actually, the truer White House statement would be:

    “The United States is not planning to negotiate with Iran. To suggest anything to the contrary is simply wrong, misleading and mischievous.

  29. Kent Shaw

    February 25, 2007 at 3:57 pm

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    “…intelligence from Israel that Iran had developed an intercontinental missile capable of delivering several small warheads that could reach Europe.”

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    Even if true that would be Europe’s problem NOT the United States.

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    Bush has no authority to attack Iran. Only Congress can declare war. Of course there is always the possibility that an Iranian will throw a rock at a U.S. soldier thereby giving the U.S. the authority to massively bomb Iran in self defense.

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    Somehow the madmen in charge of this country need to be reined in. Somehow.

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  30. Sandy Price

    February 25, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    Gentlemen, you have described the situation very well. WE must not let down our defenses ever! But we must try to control a corrupt White House who seems to be running on emotions not intelligence.

    The information I get tells me Israel may be in a position to take out Iran’s nukes. Is it rumor or what? We must be prepared at any cost. If we do go into Iran, will it be from the air or more of our ground troop ill-prepared?

    Bush is a loose canon…..

  31. gene

    February 25, 2007 at 4:44 pm

    How deep does this hole go?.. probably deeper than anyone can imagine. Bush and cheney are both puppets on a string. The power pulling those strings

    is like a roaring lion bent on destruction to obtain world domination. I would jump from this frying pan {that we are all in} but I have no doubt where I would land would probably be much warmer. No place to run too and no place to hid. One crises after another until the end comes.

  32. Ray

    February 25, 2007 at 4:58 pm

    You can bet on an attack. As I have said time and time again, this was all planned out years ago and is simply being carried out. You see, by the use of suggestion and slow but steady enactment, affirmed by treasonist false flag events and media spin, Thier goals will be attained as planned. pnac is on schedule. Get prepared people, big changes are soon to come to your nieghborhood. All that is left, is the trigger man to flinch.

  33. Lyleblog

    February 25, 2007 at 5:42 pm

    Cheney has been waiting for this for 15 years. In the 1992 Defense Policy Review, Cheney and Wolfowitz advocated asserting Military Power to bring all nations into line with the “One Superpower” Order.

    1992 Defense Policy Review

    Poppy had them take the policy of pre-emption out but it was touted all over the Middle East During the 1990’s.

    Now, they have their chance.

  34. JimZ

    February 25, 2007 at 5:42 pm

    How many more plans can we have to bomb Iran? I’d bet computer simulation has already obliterated them thousands of times.

    I doubt we have any good intelligence on the ground in Iran. Why would any Iranian want to help the U.S.? We invaded their neighbor based on lies. All we do is threaten to attack them. After Valerie Plame was outed, our nuke intelligence there was compromised. I don’t see Iran threatening us specifically; they say “those who would attack us will be punished”. We KNOW what that means but Iran cannot, and will not attack us, even one of our ships in the Persian Gulf. It would be suicide. I venture any attack on our ships will be orchestrated by the U.S., a simple accident of some sort, or like the Gulf Of Tonkin, NEVER HAPPENED (a whoosh of water sound heard by sonar was mis-construed by the Johnson Admin. to be a torpedo attack).

    Do we see any Iranian warships off our coast?

    Why when the President of Iran was a “moderate” (the last one) the American people were told by our own government “oh, he doesn’t have any power”, don’t worry about him bringing any peaceful change to Iran. Now they have a “radical” (big-mouth), HE’S GOT POWER; WE SHOULD FEAR HIM; HE’S A CRAZYMAN!

    If we bomb Iran, any innocents killed will be war crimes. Count those with the ones we already did in Iraq. And we’ll know who did it. Again.

  35. Ardie

    February 25, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    The U.S. should not have any plans for invading any country or bombing it back to the paleolithic era. The Constitution speaks unambiguously of defense—not offense. I am appalled at our lack of respect for the Constitution and the patent stupidity of those who read defense as meaning attack Iran. Can anyone imagine that the framers wanted the United States to be like the British empire, whom they hated, which was the superpower of its time?

  36. SEAL

    February 27, 2007 at 1:18 am

    JimZ – I was over 30 years military before I was forced to retire due to medical. The years and wounds caught up with me. I was in a unique outfit that exposed me to much of what is really going on. And I was pretty far up the food chain by the time I left. I know how they think and why.

    When faced with an enemy that has no fear of death you must attack what they do fear. They will die to insure the survival of their ideology. If you show them you can AND WILL obliterate their reason for existance, their history, that which validates them as a people and a nation and the servants of their supreme enity, as we did with Japan, the only way they can insure the survival of their ideology is to surrender.

    Bush, Cheney, et.al. may not fully comprehend the depth of the muslim resolve (I know they don’t give a damn) but the military does and lives in reality. Of course, they have explained it to his imperialness. But the danger is that Bush is only concerned with self and not consequence. He has never faced consequence in his life. Whereas he holds the reins of the most destructive forces on the planet, he is the most dangerous person in the world and to the world. Not enough people realize this. Not enough people realize the immense destructive force we possess or our ability to deliver it. Bush, et. al. must be removed from power.

  37. SEAL

    February 27, 2007 at 1:26 am

    BTW JimZ – I am Pawnee.

  38. JimZ

    February 27, 2007 at 2:15 am

    SEAL, I concur…

    Bu$h may have not gotten spanked enough when he was a baby, but whatever the case, he is a dangerous man, especially when he thinks he’s doing GOD’s work.

    Whether it was their intent or not, the Bu$h admin. has convinced the Moslem world it is a war against their religion, and to steal their oil. The more we push, the more they recruit.

    Perpetual War For Perpetual Profit.

    Years ago I worked with an ex-Special Forces sergeant (master, maybe?) who after a long military career like yourself, served his last years in the Gulf War (I). Big Italian-looking guy whom I got to know & liked. Anyway, he got one of those “somethings” from the Gulf War.

    He had all kinds of symptoms of which I don’t remember them anymore, but one thing I DO remember is the patches of bareness on his scalp. Really weird patterns of missing hair. It almost looked like someone took a very small razor and just made patterns across his scalp. He kept a pretty short buzz cut, anyway. He had no idea why his scalp did that, either. He DID get the immunizations for Anthrax, etc.

    He had gone through a whole program of a bunch of tests and ended up in the group of “There is no evidence of a ‘Gulf War Syndrome'” situation. He still had weird stuff going on all the time but they wouldn’t admit to knowing anything, even if they did.

    Anyway, hope you arn’t going through the same type of thing. It looked like he had been pretty miserable. He was a tough guy and pretty much fought it and left it behind as much as he could, but who knows how he’s doing today? (I don’t live in that state anymore)

  39. Kent Shaw

    February 27, 2007 at 2:25 am

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    SEAL wrote: “Whereas he holds the reins of the most destructive forces on the planet, he is the most dangerous person in the world and to the world. Not enough people realize this. Not enough people realize the immense destructive force we possess or our ability to deliver it. Bush, et. al. must be removed from power.”

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    I have enormous respect for your background and the reasoned logic I find in your writings. But I think people DO realize how dire the situation is, but it seems so ugly, so horrendous to comprehend, that denial rules the day. If I think about it too long the fear level just redlines right along with my blood pressure.

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    Kent

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  40. Jimmie Martin

    February 27, 2007 at 3:51 am

    You have a good cross section of US opinion in the comments here balanced with the “cut and run and pacifists” and the “America first and foremost crowd.” I am a member of the former.

    http://viewsok.com

  41. Wayne K Doilk

    February 27, 2007 at 5:26 am

    So, where did we say they would invade next? Iran, oh yes Iran. Here is a Country that never did a darn thing to the good old U.S.of A. OFC and, do not forget “Shooter” threatened Pakistan today. And, 1n 1953 we de-stabilized Iran. So now we seed the same seeds. Interesting.

  42. SEAL

    February 27, 2007 at 5:46 am

    JimZ, my medical problems are being shot too many times and being blown 30some feet in the air. Actually, it was the landing that did the damage. I have a ton of sciatic nerve damage, consequently I live on a steady diet of oxycontin, naproxin, and actic (fentanyl citrate). But the thing that did me in was the discovery of multiple myeloma (cancer). That wasn’t discovered until I hit the floor and couldn’t get up. It was overlooked for at least two years because the symptoms were identical to the sciatica I was in treatment for. Found it so late it damn near killed me. But I have been myeloma free for 9 months, now, and getting stonger all the time. Since I was in Iraq during GWI the obvious question is, did that cause it? Of course that’s denied. Can’t be proved one way or another.

    But my medical, prescriptions, everything is all paid for and I don’t go through the VA. I can’t elaborate about that. I live 20 minutes from one of the finest cancer centers in the world and get the best care there is. Personally, I have no complaints. As much as I have been around this world and considering the crap I’ve crawled around in I could have picked up the virus that caused the cancer anywhere.

    Kent, I agree. People just don’t want to think this could happen in America. But neither did the Germans or a lot of other places I could name. However, I don’t believe they will be able to pull it off here. The people will rebel. And we all have guns. But it’s the military that will prevent it. They won’t go along with it and the would bes can’t pull it off without them.

  43. JimZ

    February 27, 2007 at 7:20 am

    SEAL – multiple myeloma – My uncle died from that. That’s a tough one.

    Yea, at this point, we’ve got to try to take care of ourselves and our own. Be sure to stock up on survival supplies and ammunition! I even bought a book on survival info. You never know when you might need to know how to make BUTTER and such! Most of us have no knowledge of the old school ways of life.

  44. SEAL

    February 27, 2007 at 8:10 am

    Well JimZ, I grew up on a ranch outside of Pawnee Oklahoma. The only vehicle we had was an old flat bed ford we called the “friendly truck” because when it moved, everything on it was waving at you. Everything there was basic survival like the mid 1800s. And, of course, the SEALs are all about survival. I taught it for years. I’m prepared.

  45. SEAL

    February 27, 2007 at 8:41 am

    Speaking of weapons and ammo, I would have had a really good laugh at the cops and paramedics who answered the 911 call my wife put in for me when I collapsed if I hadn’t been in so much pain. I went down in “my” room I had added to the house that is concrete block with steel bars on widows and doors. It would take heavy equipment to break ito that room.

    Those guys were walking around looking at all the weaponry, half of which is mounted on the walls. Mouths hanging open but not saying anything. Finally one cop said, “I know at least half this shit is illegal.” But another cop I have known for years told him, “the weapons are illegal, but he is legal to have them,” and then explained it to them. Finally, my wife asked them if they were gonna stand around gawking or do what she called them for. So, they got busy and took me to the ER. I’ll never forget how freaked out those guys were. It’s a 30 year collection that began with my grandfather’s old .44 single action.

  46. Kent Shaw

    February 27, 2007 at 1:15 pm

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    I’d love to see that collection! I have a Bushmaster M4A3, a Glock 26, a Glock 23, a Remington 870, and I’m looking for a S&W 686-5. Oh, and I just picked up a Harley XL1200R!! :)

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  47. JimZ

    February 27, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    SEAL and Kent, you guys are making me feel so inadequate!

    Funny, I have a Remington 870, too. Beyond that, my other guns are about useless. I basically inherited them from my uncle who died from multiple myeloma. He was an Army AF mechanic in WWII. Most of the previous generation of my family were all U.S. military; all volunteered, not drafted, for WWII & Korea. I ended up working IN the defense-industrial complex. I’m out of it now, though.

    Kent, the Harley would be good for the “escape”, sorta like Steve McQueen in “The Great Escape”.

    When the $hit hits the fan (coming soon?) those with the guns, food & water will rule/survive. It’s just common sense.

  48. Kent Shaw

    February 27, 2007 at 6:46 pm

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    The Bushmaster is unfired and is in fact for sale. I have no use for it. I too worked for the military-industrial complex as a civilian systems analyst for the Navy for 25 years and then took an early retirement, partly because I no longer had the stomach to be a cog in the wheel, partly because the organization I worked for was so dysfunctional, and partly because I was just totally burned out on the IT world. Now I’m looking for some sort of fun part time job and planning routes for riding and camping out this summer.

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  49. erika morgan

    February 27, 2007 at 9:33 pm

    They didn’t plan before and it seems to be working for them. I think it is delusional to think they’d begin to plan now! THEY EXPECT TO EXECUTE WHATEVER IS PLANED MAKE NO MISTAKE!