Yes, Bill and Hillary lie

By DOUG THOMPSON

Hillary Clinton’s campaign staffers, as well as the candidate herself, are up in arms because former supporter David Geffen called Ms. Clinton “a liar.”

Geffen, once a major contributor to the Clintons, now supports Brack Obama. The Clintonites claim he was put up by the Obama campaign to smear the carpet bagging Senator from New York.

As my lawyer likes to say, truth is always an absolute defense. Whatever Geffen’s reasons, he wasn’t fudging the truth when he said Hillary, and her skirt-chasing former President husband, lie like teenagers caught breaking curfew.

George W. Bush lies too. So did his daddy (remember: “Read my lips?”).

Truth be told, lying is a required trait for political life. Show me a politician who doesn’t lie and I’ll show you a politician who loses elections.

The faithful who defend Hillary and Bill’s lies claim that, unlike Bush, their lies did not result in a war where more than 3,100 Americans and thousands upon thousands of Iraqis died. The theory of relativity always works as a convenient political excuse.

True, Bush accomplished what many thought might be impossible: He made people long for the halcyon days of the Clintons. Now some point to the Clinton years with fond nostalgia and talk about balanced budgets, a booming economy and no wars…well, no long wars but we did have Somalia and the bombing of a pill factory to divert attention from Bill’s banging of White House intern Monica Lewinsky. The Clinton faithful claim Somalia doesn’t count because only a few Americans died. Sorry but the death of even a single American in a questionable military action is, in my opinion, just as serious as the deaths of 3100.

But the Clintons share a disturbing trait with Bush: An innate inability to tell the truth. From Watergate to Lewinskygate, the Clintons lied constantly. They got rich from shady land deals, blocked investigations into their actions and practiced the “politics of personal destruction” on anyone who questioned their ways.

They left behind a trail of broken friendships, abandoned loyalists and unpaid debts. Both Clintons, for example, still owe millions in unpaid legal bills but that didn’t stop them from buying a million dollar manse in New York and living large while their creditors wait, in vain, for their money.

In testimony before a federal grand jury, young Lewinsky described in near-pornographic detail how she would crawl under the desk and nosh on he First Penis while President Clinton talked with heads of state on the phone. She told about how the President would stick cigars up her vagina and then smoke them during Oval Office meetings.

Clinton then lied about the affair in a deposition in a sexual harassment suit brought by another of his dalliances. Hillary Clinton went on national TV and swore she knew nothing about the affair and blamed the whole thing on the “vast right wing conspiracy.” Sorry, but her husband has been a known whore-monger his entire life and her claim that she didn’t know doesn’t pass the smell test (maybe she should have smelled the cigars).

The Clintons deserved far more punishment than they received. Perjury is a crime and the Arkansas bar association stripped Bill Clinton of his right to practice law because he lied under oath. Hillary committed more than one act of obstruction of justice in covering up her role in Whitewater and other crimes.

I can think of several places where the Clintons belong: A pedestal ain’t one of them.

(WRITER’S NOTE: My apologies for an unedited version posted earlier. It contained a number of grammatical errors that were corrected but idiot me didn’t hit the save button)

Comments

  1. talker

    Hillary was on Bush’s side when that was cool. Now it isn’t, but her money is still coming from a certain faction of people who think we must act in the interests of a small Middle Eastern country with many nuclear weapons. The spilt over Hillary illustrates that many Americans believe the current foreign policy is against the interests of the US. That goes for whatever reason you may think we are in Iraq.

  2. mojibyrd

    Geffen just figured this out, hell the rest of us knew this as soon as any of the Clinton’s opened their mouths to speak!! She nor Bill could tell the truth if it snuck up on them and slapped them in the face.

  3. Wayne K Dolik

    Nice rant today Doug. Another thing, is like Bush, Hillary is also incapable of admitting a mistake like taking us into war. She just will not admit that, the vote to go to war in Iraq was a “mistake”. The other thing that follows the Clintons like the Bush family is that mysterious trail of dead bodies that seems to follow these two ruling families around. This is America. We don’t have a monarchy in America. Or do we? Then there is another problem with the baggage these two families carry. If we elect Hillary I fully expect to see the same tired faces in the Whitehouse we saw under President Bill. Do we want what we received under Bush? Remember, to the victor, belongs the spoils. Your points are well taken today.

  4. peter

    Doug

    I think your article is absolutely rediculous today. i see many inaccuracies in it.Is it right to say banging an intern in your writing?.I think your former drinking Years affected the journalistic credentials you once possesed. Time to take another sabbatical.

    I am not a friend of the clintons either, just wanted to get that straight.

    I was wondering too, if you claim to take the high road as you have so often,

    why bring up clintons past, while you have repeatedly reported how corrupt you were.Have they not brought to your attention in the 12 step program live so others can. I think you are a hippocrite.

    Peter

  5. Jim H

    This whole incident is completely disheartening. One, we’re taking as an authority David Geffen, one of the most vicious liars in Hollywood? Two, you have this Maureen Dowd, who is simply a collection of mental tics. One of them was hating the Clintons, and retailing, guess what? Lies about them. And then we have some in the Obama camp, and other candidates, participating in a group bitch-slap. Are you a liar, Doug? Have you ever told a big fat one? I bet you are, if you’re honest. I’m a liar, and I’m not even a politician.

    For real insight on the matter, check out Bob Somerby’s “Daily Howler,” where he tries to figure out why “progressives” hate the RNC but accept their scripts.

    The real point is that our media is what’s hopelessly corrupt, and we listen to fools like Geffen because he has billions of dollars he’s made… from lying.

  6. LindaJ

    Bill Clinton was a good president regardless of / in spite the behaviors the Rant comments address. I think Hillary’s responses to the current situation are stupidly aggressive. Barak Obama appeals to a lot of people just because he appears to be a calm, reasonable, inspiring-the-best-in-everyone type. Whether he has the smarts, the guts, the patience to win the nomination remains to be seen. Hillary’s reaction gives Obama a big boost in the right direction, though.

  7. Emarie

    It’s a sad state of affairs when the people of this country say Clinton was a good president while comparing him to other Presidents. In my opinion ANY president or wannabe president who is as corrupt and disgusting as Clinton should NEVER be let anywhere near the presidency and that means his ever loving wife was aware of everything that was going on and she is as corrupt and they both did a pretty good job of covering their a$$es by eliminating anyone who could put them away. Lets face the truth here, NO ONE is EVER going to put these two away because they are both members of the elite ruling class and whatever they want they get. I think that stinks and I think our political system is so wrought with corruption and men and women who are so arrogant and think they are above the law that this country has seen better days. All I can say is get ready for martial law, especially if we get Hillbillary as a president!!

  8. Of course they are liars! The Clintons are just another one of the crime families (like the Bush Crime Family) that run the US and sponge off the working poor. If you want some jaw-dropping dirt on the Clintons, do a little browsing through the Clinton archives over at Progressive Review. It reads like nothing so much as Gangland Archives.

    Meanwhile at the various government departments, tax money disappears from the books millions at a time, and you can guess where it goes. Read the description of business as usual at HUD written by Catherine Austin Fitts.

    The US government and the elites who profit from it can best be described as “organized crime.” And the taxpayers get the shaft. Do I sound cynical?

  9. Elizabeth Mondschein

    When is all this garbage going to end? Are all of you snow clean and perfect,ideal and HONEST? I don’t think so. What a story we can tell if all of you confessed to the irregularities in you past. EM

  10. Judy

    I am sick and tired of reading and hearing the bashing of the Clintons. I am not a Hillary supporter but then again, I have done enough research to know that she is not as bad as many are depicting. Maybe Obama will prove to be what he seems… but my guess is that when he percieved as a big enough threat to the GOP (And I do think he will)…they will begin creating another “swift boat” type story for him to try and disprove.

    “Show me a politician that does not lie and you will have to dig up a dead one!”

  11. Why don’t we pass laws against lying to the public? That should take care of every sector of our predator society. Since lies are a form of theft, we could make liars pay media for appearances to compensate for the damage.

    And the Republicans would go broke.

  12. Compare the level and degree of lying before you get all self-righteous. Consider the concept of “comparison,” and make suree you haven’t conceded personal weakness to rules of logic.

  13. Alexander Hamilton screwed Mrs. Reynolds. Ben Franklin, had an illegitimate son, who also had an illegitimate son (something in the genes of politicians?). Thomas Jefferson

    had a complete black family with his daughter maid and companion, Sally Hemings, let alone the seduction of his friend’s wife.

    Who can forget Grover Cleveland and “Ma, ma, where is my paw, haw haw? He is in the White House haw haw!” The great Franklin D Roosevelt was not with Eleanor when he died but with his long time mistress Lucy Mercer.

    Add LBJ, John Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower, George Bush Sr., Millar Fillmore and James Buchanan, Chester A. Garfield, among the presidents. Add Newt Gingrich, the great moralist, who told his wife he wanted divorce while she was in the hospital have cancer treatment. How is that for moral support from a loving husband. The great crime fighter and hero of 911, Rudy Giuliano, on his third wife, previously tested before divorce and marriage.

    That is only part of the screwers in American politics. Now lets add other for lying to the list – NO! That list is much too long. Most likely easier to make a list of those didn’t lie, other than Jimmy Carter.

    If we eliminate all qualified people who have screwed out side of marriage and/or lied,

    we would have to eliminate everyone who would ever seek political office.

    If you are not familiar with some of the names I listed above, all were US presidents or wanna be.

  14. After all the men who have bought their way into the White House, maybe it is time for a woman to sleep her way in.

    As far as I can see, Hillary’s only qualification is that she was one of apparently hundreds of women who slept with Bill while he was president.

    Maybe Monica Lewinsky should run.

  15. Janice

    I long for the Clinton days again. I felt safe with him in office, and I sure do not with Bush – and never have. I’m not thrilled with the President messing around – it does show lack of character and judgement, but it IS his private personal life and I wouldn’t want folks poking around in mine.

    However, no matter HOW you stack it up, what Bill Clinton did is not in any way comparable to what Bush has done to this country. To even compare the two shows a lack of judgement. I understand that wrong is wrong – however we do not have that luxury with politicians. The very nature of politics today is corrupt. Funding makes it that way.

    Finally, the Clinton’s are smart. Listen to them speak, then listen to Bush and his cronies. They are dirty, sly, and corrupt. But, I don’t know if you can call them stupid, with all that they have accomplished to rid our country of our money, liberties, and reputation. I’ll take a basket full of Clinton’s to a hand full of Bush’s any day of the week – and we will all be better off for it.

  16. Greg Zimmerman Says:

    While I agree with the premise of your rant. I can’t believe it got past the editor.

    A lot of credibility is lost when your writing is filled with so many grammatical errors.

    You are right. I’m the idiot who edited the column and then forgot to hit the “save” button and posted, instead, the unedited version. The proofreader shall be flogged (self-floggeltation?).

    –Doug

  17. David

    Well isn’t this sweet, all the little Elitist liberals and want to be coming to defend the un-de-fend able. Well I hate to break up you mentally challenged Love in. But all politicians are liars. The only thing here is that Clinton and his scumbag wife set an all new standard for lying.

    Yes, your little liberal Holier than thou brains are swelling right now. And I can hear the lame come backs. I’ll ask you what did the King liar Clinton actually do for this country?

    Other than sell top secret missile technology to the Chinese, Line his pockets, and make this country much less safe. The economy? Think again it was the spill over from the Reagan-Bush years. It takes 7 years for economic policy to be felt. Note the economy was tanking in the final Bubba years. Read a little, so by now you are scrambling for returns, sorry you can’t think of a dammed thing can you. Face it Clinton and Wife were awful, just like the room temperature I.Q Pelosi, Murder Teddy Kennedy, Schumer the corrupt, Jefferson 90k in the Fridge. Dumocrats have absolutely nothing going or them. You guys can make a lot of noise but face facts you are all Elitist Losers.

  18. In 1997, William Morrow Publishing company hired a well known author to do a book on Hillary Clinton. It was Joyce Milton and she accepted the contract and set about starting her research on First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton. About half way through this research she began to discover a lot of bad things in the history of President Clinton’s wife. She returned to the Publisher who told her to go ahead and write what she found.

    “The First Partner” was published in 1999 and has to be the most honest book written on any First Lady. Milton went into the project fully expecting to find that Hillary was much more than simply being the First Lady of Arkansas and of the United States of America.

    I will not go into Hillary’s history but I was shocked at what her friends and coworkers had to say about her. The very thought that this woman would be elected into the White House has shocked me. Somebody referred to the Clintons as white trailor trash had it right. Her lack of control and her temper tantrums are legendary and the way the two of them fight should never be found in our White House again.

  19. The South Point

    While I don’t give a flying fig about Billy’s naughty funtime as it’s none of my business, I never felt comfortable towards either of the Clintons. I always got a “slimeyness vibe” from both of them. I would never invite the Clintons over for dinner as I would not want their company. Hell, if they were my next-door neighbors, I would pretend I didn’t know them. No way are they to borrow my lawnmower.

  20. Joan Fry

    I sincerely doubt that Gov. Bill Richardson is the liar that you claim all politicans are, and he’s by far the most qualified candidate running on either ticket!

  21. Ross

    Of all the things to complain about the Clintons, why keep going on and on (has it been 10 years now!?) about sexual misconduct? This is exactly the kind thing I don’t care to know about other people, and I wouldn’t want them to know about me. What I want to know is if somebody is going to make sure we sit really still and give a helping hand, as Mexico rapes us from behind (NAFTA), or allowed our nation to become a police state (nope-that wasn’t Bush), where we are gasses and imprisoned for protesting his globalist mistresses(WTO). How’s that for sexual misconduct? A blowjob doesn’t seem so bad now, does it? Especially Hillary, though, she must not be so terrible, if Doug can’t talk about anything other than BILL’s problems. Quit being lazy, Doug!

    I’m tired of people complaining about politicians anyway. Our system of government is vastly flawed, especially since the New Deal (but you all love that, I’m sure), and the people keep coming back for more and more of these kinds of people. Face it: America is not, nor has it ever been, what you were taught in school. What are you going to do about it?

  22. Elgee

    Velma, David Geffen is a well-heeled Hollywood “mogel” and a long-time Democrat – of the liberal persuasion. Hillary was upset because she saw a financial Kingpin flying HER COOP! I, too, will be voting for someone OTHER THAN HILLARY! She has too much “baggage,” and Bill is only one of them. She failed miserably at her attempt to obtain a national health plan for us early in Bill’s lst term as Prexy. She unfortunately isn’t a consensus builder – an absolute requirement any successful President MUST have! Elgee

  23. Joan Fry Says:

    I sincerely doubt that Gov. Bill Richardson is the liar that you claim all politicans are, and he’s by far the most qualified candidate running on either ticket!

    In 1980, Richardson ran for Congress against incumbent Manuel Lujan. In his campaign literature, Richardson claimed he had served as a “foreign policy expert” for Sen. George McGovern. An investigation by the Albuquerque Journal discovered Richardson was an intern for McGovern. The Journal found five other lies in Richardson’s official campaign biography.

    For 40 years, Richardson also claimed he was “a draft pick” for the Kansas City A’s. After several news organizations checked into the story, Richardson admitted in 2005 that the claim was a fabrication.

    Sorry, your hero is a liar just like the others.