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		<title>By: griff</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/20149/comment-page-1#comment-54947</link>
		<dc:creator>griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. Savin&#039; the earth...one bad government program after another. I&#039;m glad my tax dollars helped other folks upgrade their vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. Savin&#8217; the earth&#8230;one bad government program after another. I&#8217;m glad my tax dollars helped other folks upgrade their vehicles.</p>
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		<title>By: katiesamson</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/20149/comment-page-1#comment-54952</link>
		<dc:creator>katiesamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the UK this program is actually going really well. More and more people are buying new cars, perhaps a sign that the economy is changing? Or perhaps the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.garages4you.com/&quot;&gt;MOT test&lt;/a&gt; is looming and perhaps it&#039;s just easier to get a new or newish car than fork out for the cost of repairs. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the UK this program is actually going really well. More and more people are buying new cars, perhaps a sign that the economy is changing? Or perhaps the <a href="http://www.garages4you.com/">MOT test</a> is looming and perhaps it&#8217;s just easier to get a new or newish car than fork out for the cost of repairs.</p>
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		<title>By: MightyMo</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/20149/comment-page-1#comment-54953</link>
		<dc:creator>MightyMo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, always pays to be negative. No government program worth so many dollars, in fact barely any non-government program as well, is going to go off without some sort of cheating or stealing. In this case I say the program was an overall success. Sure, it could have been more effectice, but I suspect that to have it implemented quickly, concessions were made such as allowing trucks and lower gas mileage vehicles to be purchased. Everyone always seems to gripe about these programs unless they are a beneficiary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, always pays to be negative. No government program worth so many dollars, in fact barely any non-government program as well, is going to go off without some sort of cheating or stealing. In this case I say the program was an overall success. Sure, it could have been more effectice, but I suspect that to have it implemented quickly, concessions were made such as allowing trucks and lower gas mileage vehicles to be purchased. Everyone always seems to gripe about these programs unless they are a beneficiary.</p>
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		<title>By: issodhos</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/20149/comment-page-1#comment-54957</link>
		<dc:creator>issodhos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, it would depend on how one measures success, I guess. It certainly made used vehicles less affordable to those folks dependent upon them. And used parts for the vehicles that were destroyed are going to cost more for the guys and gals who are dependent on older model cars to get to work -- or look for work. It helped to clear some coporately owned overstock. It put a smile on the faces of new car dealership owners. It may have kept some dealership employees temporarily on the payroll. It succeeded in transfering one taxpayer&#039;s earnings to another person, but that is not an increase in wealth. So, how do you see it as being an &quot;overall success&quot;?

  And if it was such a &#039;success&#039; perhaps a similar program directed at homes would be a good idea. How about a program that gives a subsidy to anyone who turns in their old home for a newly constructed, more energy efficient home? The old home would of course have to be destroyed. That would certainly set us in the direction of re-inflating the prices of homes.:-)
Yours in musing,
Issodhos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, it would depend on how one measures success, I guess. It certainly made used vehicles less affordable to those folks dependent upon them. And used parts for the vehicles that were destroyed are going to cost more for the guys and gals who are dependent on older model cars to get to work &#8212; or look for work. It helped to clear some coporately owned overstock. It put a smile on the faces of new car dealership owners. It may have kept some dealership employees temporarily on the payroll. It succeeded in transfering one taxpayer&#8217;s earnings to another person, but that is not an increase in wealth. So, how do you see it as being an &#8220;overall success&#8221;?</p>
<p>  And if it was such a &#8216;success&#8217; perhaps a similar program directed at homes would be a good idea. How about a program that gives a subsidy to anyone who turns in their old home for a newly constructed, more energy efficient home? The old home would of course have to be destroyed. That would certainly set us in the direction of re-inflating the prices of homes.:-)<br />
Yours in musing,<br />
Issodhos</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Nemo</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/20149/comment-page-1#comment-54958</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I witnessed this swapping of one gas guzzler for another in my rurual area.  Evidently folks didn&#039;t get the message after one of the worst gas price increases in our times. 

Within two years or less gasoline will be back in the $4.50-5.00 range and there will be no pullbacks as in the past. Major oil fields worldwide have passed peak production and are dropping off at a rapid rate by the month. 

Also this &quot;clunkers&quot; program is indicative as to how our government will continue to plunder the TARP money; ie.., whatever is left to bail out the banking and insurance sectors while Obama&#039;s stimulus money will be slowly but surely misspent too with minimal oversight.  So folks can imagine how efficient this new healthcare nightmare that they are soon to launch upon us will function.  I guarantee within a few short years of implementation the GAO will be reporting massive fraud and waste within that program too.

Oh well, its only counterfeit, &quot;funnymoney&quot;.  Any losses are simply imagined, no differently than our undying faith in a failed currency paradigm, and that cheap gasoline will be here forever.  / : &#124; 

Carl Nemo **== </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I witnessed this swapping of one gas guzzler for another in my rurual area.  Evidently folks didn&#8217;t get the message after one of the worst gas price increases in our times. </p>
<p>Within two years or less gasoline will be back in the $4.50-5.00 range and there will be no pullbacks as in the past. Major oil fields worldwide have passed peak production and are dropping off at a rapid rate by the month. </p>
<p>Also this &#8220;clunkers&#8221; program is indicative as to how our government will continue to plunder the TARP money; ie.., whatever is left to bail out the banking and insurance sectors while Obama&#8217;s stimulus money will be slowly but surely misspent too with minimal oversight.  So folks can imagine how efficient this new healthcare nightmare that they are soon to launch upon us will function.  I guarantee within a few short years of implementation the GAO will be reporting massive fraud and waste within that program too.</p>
<p>Oh well, its only counterfeit, &#8220;funnymoney&#8221;.  Any losses are simply imagined, no differently than our undying faith in a failed currency paradigm, and that cheap gasoline will be here forever.  / : | </p>
<p>Carl Nemo **==</p>
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		<title>By: almandine</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheating or stealing? Bullshit.

Those folks merely used the program according to the rules. Other sources indicate each cash-for-clunker deal cost $24K on average. Not worth griping about? You must have a much bigger income than most of us. 

I&#039;ve got some taxes you can pay.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheating or stealing? Bullshit.</p>
<p>Those folks merely used the program according to the rules. Other sources indicate each cash-for-clunker deal cost $24K on average. Not worth griping about? You must have a much bigger income than most of us. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got some taxes you can pay.</p>
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		<title>By: griff</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/20149/comment-page-1#comment-54973</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So do tell...what was so successful about this program?

That at the height of the deflation of the largest debt bubble in history tens of thousands of people were encouraged to trade in good working vehicles and take on more debt, at the expense of billions of taxpayer money.

Or perhaps it&#039;s the fact that they traded in low-mileage vehicles for more low-mileage vehicles while their trade-ins were forbidded for resale? Kind of defeats one of the main incentives for the program, which was to get low-mileage vehicles off the streets.

So people that couldn&#039;t afford new cars were blocked from acquiring affordable vehicles. Makes a lot of sense.

I wonder how many of those vehicles will be repossessed in the coming years when these people lose their jobs.

Or maybe it was the artificial bump in car sales by people that were possibly going to wait a while for a new car or people that wouldn&#039;t have made a purchase at all.

And no I wasn&#039;t a beneficiary. I have a problem taking money from the government, particularly because I realize that the government doesn&#039;t actually have any money other than what they take from us. In fact a little more than three years ago I traded my gas-guzzling Hemi Durango for a more efficient Toyota Rav4, in the process losing five thousand dollars.

But I guess you&#039;re right...if I was more positive things would have been different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So do tell&#8230;what was so successful about this program?</p>
<p>That at the height of the deflation of the largest debt bubble in history tens of thousands of people were encouraged to trade in good working vehicles and take on more debt, at the expense of billions of taxpayer money.</p>
<p>Or perhaps it&#8217;s the fact that they traded in low-mileage vehicles for more low-mileage vehicles while their trade-ins were forbidded for resale? Kind of defeats one of the main incentives for the program, which was to get low-mileage vehicles off the streets.</p>
<p>So people that couldn&#8217;t afford new cars were blocked from acquiring affordable vehicles. Makes a lot of sense.</p>
<p>I wonder how many of those vehicles will be repossessed in the coming years when these people lose their jobs.</p>
<p>Or maybe it was the artificial bump in car sales by people that were possibly going to wait a while for a new car or people that wouldn&#8217;t have made a purchase at all.</p>
<p>And no I wasn&#8217;t a beneficiary. I have a problem taking money from the government, particularly because I realize that the government doesn&#8217;t actually have any money other than what they take from us. In fact a little more than three years ago I traded my gas-guzzling Hemi Durango for a more efficient Toyota Rav4, in the process losing five thousand dollars.</p>
<p>But I guess you&#8217;re right&#8230;if I was more positive things would have been different.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent.Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/20149/comment-page-1#comment-54980</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent.Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It succeeded in transfering one taxpayer&#039;s earnings to another person, but that is not an increase in wealth.&quot;

Good point. I would have preferred a rebate of some of my tax dollars. I could have used them to stimulate the economy.

Kent Shaw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It succeeded in transfering one taxpayer&#8217;s earnings to another person, but that is not an increase in wealth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point. I would have preferred a rebate of some of my tax dollars. I could have used them to stimulate the economy.</p>
<p>Kent Shaw</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/20149/comment-page-1#comment-54983</link>
		<dc:creator>woody188</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cash for Clunkers cost government some $24,000 per vehicle sold.  Guess the government isn&#039;t better at running car companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cash for Clunkers cost government some $24,000 per vehicle sold.  Guess the government isn&#8217;t better at running car companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Nemo</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/20149/comment-page-1#comment-54986</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Woody188 for the U.S. Government efficiency update! 

Yep, Socialist doctrine failure at its best...no?!

Carl Nemo **==</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Woody188 for the U.S. Government efficiency update! </p>
<p>Yep, Socialist doctrine failure at its best&#8230;no?!</p>
<p>Carl Nemo **==</p>
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