Obama’s citizenship: Another loony conspiracy theory

In the loony world of conspiracy theory nutcases, anything is possible and the most ludicrous of claims too often get passed off as fact.

Case in point: The incredibly stupid debate over President Barack Obama’s citizenship.

Started by the right wing in a failed effort to prevent America from electing its first African-American President, the so-called "birthers" movement — fueled by hatemongers, racists, bigots and the incurably stupid — continues to spread discredited lies that Obama was born in Kenya or some other non-American locale.

Our current President was born in Hawaii, an American territory that became our 50th state. Hawaii confirmed it and, for normal people with a working brain, that should have closed the case.

But conspiracy nuts don’t have functioning brains. They have out-of-control fantasies, fed by terminal insanity, driven by inane beliefs that anything that involves the government is a dark, X-Files conspiracy to destroy us all.

I recently ordered a certified copy of my birth certificate from the state of Florida. They sent me a computer generated document that looks a lot like the one produced by Hawaii to confirm Obama’s birth. I took that document to my local Social Security office and asked if that provides proof of birth and citizenship.

Yes, they said. It does.

But proof of birth will not satisfy the lunatic fringe when it comes to supporting the conspiracy du jour. They need to feed their lurid fantasies that Obama is a puppet of Saudi Arabia, a pawn of the mythical New World Order (otherwise known as NWO) or part of some Zionist conspiracy cooked up by anti-Semites to support their hate and bigotry.

Sadly, the Internet — which could function as a medium for spreading real, fact-based information — is a hotbed for half-baked conspiracy theories, hate, racism and outright lies. Those who question Obama’s birthrate will claim they are not racist, but many of them are. You find misinformation about his birth certificate on many white supremacy web sites but you will not find one credible shred of evidence that supports the birther movement on a site devoted to hard, cold facts.

As an American, I have serious problems with some of Obama’s policies. I feel he is pushing the country that I love too far to the left and spending this nation into irreversible debt.

But I do not, for one second, doubt his birthright.

He’s an American.

Anyone who buys into the claims of the birthers is a gullible fool.

36 Responses to "Obama’s citizenship: Another loony conspiracy theory"

  1. Rick Fuller  July 29, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Hillary Clinton wanted the Presidency so badly she could taste it. Don’cha think that if she even had a smidgen of evidence that Barack Obama was not a true natural/native-born citizen that she would have rolled out said info during the primaries?

    Even John McCain’s camp looked into the matter.

    There’s way too much crystal meth/crack smoking going on out there and it’s started to destroy brain cells and common sense.

    Ease off the meth/crack pipe people.

  2. Carl Nemo  July 29, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    “even had a smidgen of evidence that Barack Obama was not a true natural/native-born citizen that she [Hillary Clinton] would have rolled out said info during the primaries?”…extract from post your post my brackets

    Hi Rick Fuller,

    Not if Hillary, Obama, McCain et al. are being orchestrated by shadowy, but uber powerful elitists who have them performing to a script.

    Obama is nothing but a stalling action or holding presidency, no differently than Mr. “one term” Jimmy Carter. Obama is the equivalent of a semi-colon at the end of a paragraph concerning the script directing our national politics for the shadowy oligarchs’ benefit.

    Rest assured “Billary” will be rearing her head for the elections in 2012. Obama may be as low as George W. Bush in the polls prior to his exit from office making Hillary very palatble to a desperate, politically ignorant electorate. It has happened in U.S. political history that a party refused to endorse its currently standing, party affiliate President for reelection.

    We’re all being played by evil, criminally disposed political knaves in high places 24/7/365! : |

    Carl Nemo **==

  3. Carl Nemo  July 29, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    duplicate post deleted

  4. Warren  August 2, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President

    Here’s what I wrote in my blog entry (when that was allowed…).

    “What does the “natural born citizen” clause in the U.S. Constitution actually mean? Nobody knows. The creators of the Constitution didn’t tell us what the phrase means, and subsequent legal definitions of the term do not retroactively confer meaning or intent on its use in the Constitution. It’s no small wonder that the Supreme Court doesn’t want to touch this with a ten foot pole. The issues are far from clear and to try to decide them would throw the U.S. into a constitutional crisis at this point. No, the Justices will let this sleeping dog lie.”

    Every case has been thrown out on the basis of ‘lack of standing’. Apparently nobody in the U.S. has any standing to call the question. That’s the easiest way to avoid the issue.

    –Edit 8/2/09–
    Yet another alleged Kenyan birth certificate has surfaced, this one from Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Probably another fraud, but this one seems to have an initial air of authenticity. Link is [here].

    —W—

  5. Warren  July 30, 2009 at 12:18 am

    Birth = Red Herring: Let’s let the matter of birth rest. Even if BO was born in Kenya, the Constitution is so vague on the matter that it’ll be rationalized in the media and courts, somehow.

    The bigger issue is whether BO is actually an American citizen or is an Indonesian citizen by way of adoption. Here’s what I said in my blog a couple of months ago:

    “Even more interesting is the question of whether Barack Obama Jr. was and possibly still is an Indonesian citizen. In 1966 (or 1967) Ann Dunham met an Indonesian, Lolo Soetoro. They married in Hawaii and the family moved to Jakarta, Indonesia. Did Lolo Soetoro adopt young Barack? If he did, he conferred Indonesian citizenship on him at the time. At that time joint dual citizenship was not recognized by Indonesia or the U.S. The records are murky. What is known is that Barack Jr. was known as Barry Soetoro during his years in Indonesia. This is documented in school records of the time. And then there’s his trip to Pakistan in 1981 which would have been virtually impossible to accomplish on a U.S. passport at the time. The reason the Indonesian citizenship issue is important is that legally he is now an Indonesian citizen, not a U.S. citizen unless at some time he renounced his Indonesian citizenship.”

    It is also not known how he attended university; as an American citizen or as an Indonesian foreign student. Records are sealed.

    Just want to keep the discussion lively!

    —W—

  6. douin  July 30, 2009 at 12:35 am

    I agree with Carl Nemo. The Republicans knew that no Republican had a chance in Hades of being elected..either by hook or crook.. not after 8 terrible years of having to suffer through Bush. That was mainly why the Republican Powers-that-be decided to throw something out there so as to go along with the farce that it was a real actual election. Else why pick a worn out old man like McCain, and an Unknown like ‘lipstick on a pit bull’ Palin ! After the lousy past eight years of the worst of the worst..it was decided that Obama would be the best Stand-in for the next Four years. And if he were elected, he would make a perfect Patsy to hang all the past mismanagement of the past Bush years on. A perfect and willing patsy.

    We all know how short the memory of the People is. So the People did as was expected and picked Obama over McCain. After all, what real choice did they have–an old man that could die as soon as he was sworn in, and leave a female that had about as much Leadership ability as that Pit Bull she likened herself to. And of course, being so willing to please, Biden was in that same category. Out of over 300,000,000 people and that is what we had to ‘pick’ from. Truly pathetic.

    It would not surprise me if it were not in anticipation that Obama would not even last the whole term, so that is why Biden was chosen as his VP for him…an avowed Zionist who made the statement a day after the election that ” I am a Zionist and Proud of it.” Odd he never said a word about That until After the election. Strange, huh ? On second thought, it sounded like a Reassuring Word aimed at his backers to me.

    The belief must be that after one term of an Obama Presidency, the People would be ready for another Republican. But not to worry. It matters little as there is not a dimes worth of difference between the Democrats and Republicans. Why do you think the two that might have made a positive difference for the Nation were Excluded from any real consideration..Rep.Ron Paul and Kucinich ?

    The fact that Obama has not accomplished a single thing that he Promised the American people before he was Elected ensures that he will be a One Term President..just as planned. He has feinted and talked a good game, but that is all.

  7. sherry  July 31, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Carl, the shadowy powers that be would never abide Hillary. She is history, and I believe she knows it. Corrupt as she is, couldn’t be depended on to play ball.
    Hillary was mentally tougher than anyone out there. She didn’t lose. She wasn’t allowed to win. She was never my first choice for POTUS, but I knew she was better than the empty suit we have.
    For this reason, I have cast my last vote in the national elections. No more charades for me. We, the people, have ceded anything resembling critical thinking to the press. The press chose Obama, and the American people drank the kool aid.

  8. rbw152  July 29, 2009 at 9:23 am

    There have always been ‘conspiracy theorists’ and there always will be. Plenty of people didn’t believe men walked on the moon, long before the internet came along.

    In any case, there is another way of looking at this: the internet also exposes the more looney theories for what they are pretty efficiently. The level of scrutiny and argument applied to any given theory by millions and millions of browsers is such that lies and hoaxes are quickly exposed.

    I have no truck with those who think the internet is a hotbed of lies. In actual fact the opposite could also apply. The bright light of analysis and enquiry acts as a bleach, until the only people left who believe any given theory are those that would not be convinced anyway, regardless of the internet.

    And something else – some theories could be true. Long before the internet existed many believed JFK was killed by those working for the government – then E. Howard Hunt’s confessions came along and added credence to this point of view. And the fact that his comments are widely available through the internet is GOOD thing.

    Then there’s free speech. I fully support the right of anyone to say anything, even if I find it offensive or inflammatory or just plain mad. Because the alternative is even more scary.

    As for Obama’s birthplace? I absolutely don’t care. It is only whether he is fit for the job or not that should concern people.

  9. storky  July 29, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    “As for Obama’s birthplace? I absolutely don’t care. It is only whether he is fit for the job or not that should concern people.”

    Well actually, the only qualifications for the job are:
    - – - – - -
    No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
    - – - – - -
    Of course, no amount of experts or authorities who certified the authenticity of Obama’s birth certificate or archived newsprint notices of the event are enough when it comes to the sorry birthers. No-one can convince those who reject all that has been presented to their lying eyes and ears.

    As for fitness to serve the presidency, we tolerated 8 years of Dumbya and Dick!

  10. Concern  August 2, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    I used to think there was a lot of bull to conspiracy thinking until recently. Some of it, yes, some no.

    Our president PER THE CONSTITUTION Must be of US born…MUST…there is no other way and if he is lying about his birth (like Clinton lied about Monica), then who is at fault? The theorists?? No..just release the actual birth certificate UNDOCTORED to the public and put this whole case to rest. If it is indeed that he is US born, then why hide it or fight it? ONLY when we are guilty of doing something wrong do we skirt around something, making his innocense SEEM guilty.

    Also, conspiracy is just that, UNTIL it comes true.

    And in closing, history repeats itself…look at how Hitler hoodwinked Jews in the first part of his reign. He was a smooth talker and they willingly obliged him. What did he do? He corralled them and killed them. Have you been doing ANY research into obama?? I too, originated from IL, I too, pulled myself up by my bootstraps, I too, care for our freedom and what this country stands for…BUT, have you seen any of these facts: fact, he is for killing/letting die, fetuses that are still living….his nominee SONDRA, wants all WHITE males castrated (NOT taken out of context as obama claimed as she said it enfatically so there would be NO misinterpretations) and he STILL wants her nominated, and the list goes on..

    Point is, not all unbelievable things are improbable or theory…just step out of your box and look at his speeches, his platform and his history of support….

    He is leading us in a direction that will remove YOUR right to print what YOU post here as much as mine.

    Please, dig deeper in your articles facts and dont call all info as theories…like I said, I was just like you, until I personally started digging around.

    Just fyi.

  11. quickend01  July 29, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Maybe people don’t believe Obama is a real American because all his polices and views so far have been hurtful to this country and contrary to so many of our traditions, and beliefs as a country.

  12. jarrodlombardo  July 29, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Yes, he’s far too conservative and has been working against the founder’s principles similar to most of the Presidents, Senators, and Congresspeople of at least the last 70 years.
    –Jarrod

  13. storky  July 29, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    Its hard to change the momentum of poor policy once a precedent has been set and remains unchallenged.

  14. bogofree  July 29, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Herbert Hoover had his problems with residency issues. Nothing new.

  15. Hoggy  July 29, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    I think what is really being said is… but, but, but, we lost ? To one of… them ? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!

    Then they insert racist lies and propaganda to feel empowered and they can feel like a victim and all the righteous indignation that comes with victim status.

    The big babies never learned how to lose.

  16. Flapsaddle  July 29, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Some people simply cannot deal with traumatic facts that threaten their myth-world. Nut-roll conspiracy theories are a coping mechanism, something to make sense of the otherwise supposedly inexplicable. Pearl Harbor? Impossible! FDR cooked it up to get us into war. How could the reds get so much of the world in so short a time? Impossible, unless there was a communist conspiracy operating within our government. JFK killed by a nobody like Oswald? Impossible! Only a conspiracy at the highest levels of government could accomplish that. Apollo 11 got to the moon? Impossible! It was all faked, with the highest levels of government doing the cover-up. Extraterrestrial aliens? They have to exist! The government is denying the facts and covering it up. The 9/11 attacks were the work of Arab extremists? Impossible! Must have been a plot at the highest levels of government.

    A black Yankee lawyer with a Muslim father and a white mother was really born in Hawaii and is therefore qualified to be president? Impossible! A coverup by a government in the control of [Saudi Arabia | Zionist bankers | COFR | Trilateral Commission | Bildebergers] denies us the facts.

    Haven’t seen a good, chewy conspiracy theory lately? Check your local supermarket check-out stand where the tabloids are displayed. You’ll find that JFK is really alive and is either in (a) a secret sanitarium, (b) on board the mother ship negotiating with the extraterrestrials, or (c) living in Tahiti with Marilyn Monroe. Elvis? Take your pick as to where he really is and what he’s really doing.

    Next conspiracy theory to pop up into the national psyche: Michael Jackson is not dead! It was faked, just like the death of Elvis – and JFK – so that he could retire from the pressure and notoriety of his life as a popular but controversial entertainer.

    Conspiracy theories are like suckers – there’s one born every minute.

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  17. gazelle1929  July 29, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    All of us Al foil wearers know that if you deny a conspiracy it’s only because you are part of the conspiracy. And you forgot NWO. We (the voices and I) can tell from that SERIOUS OMISSION that you are not only a co-conspirator but you are a plodding plotter trying to serve a platter of pitter-patter while using your putter to potter about. HAVE YOU NO SHAME? Or insanity either?

  18. Carl Nemo  July 29, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Hi T.J. Flapsaddle,

    Of all the posters to this site you’ve always been held in high esteem on my part as to having the highest order intellect along with keen introspection concerning any subject; ie., technical, political or any other issue.

    I’ve been longing for quite some time to hear something from you. : ) I then became concerned for your health and other such issues and today you come on this site to support those that would simply question the veracity of a simple document;ie., a birth certificate?!

    Needless to say I’m somewhat crushed by your post because I always categorized you as being the most introspective and egalitarian of individuals, being blessed with a high order intellect and that of a non judgmental, reasonable disposition.

    You’ve taken a position that makes me question my assessment of your core persona. /:|

    “Never stop questioning”…Albert Einstein

    Carl Nemo **==

  19. sherry  July 31, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Flapsaddle, mercy sakes. Where have you been?? I have missed your wit and your wisdom. :)

    Ah, the conspiracy theories. I heard Elvis was down at the local Burger King this morning ordering one of those monster breakfast sandwiches.

    JFK is still alive, although he is in a persistent vegetative state, kept in a top secret room somewhere with all the bells and whistles.

    When I was a kid, Russia had nuclear missles aimed at my town. I later discovered this was told to every kid I talked with. lol

    Jimmy Carter, due to his ties to the Trilateral Commission is actually the anti Christ. (I have heard he is pretty crabby, don’t think he is the anti Christ though). What a great cover, posing as a Sunday School teacher.

    Obama’s citizenship has little to do with racism or ideology. America loves a conspiracy theory. Bush was alleged to be gay, as was Clinton. O yeah, and who hasn’t seen the infamous “Clinton Body Count” email?

    Mr Obama, welcome to the world of conspiracy. As POTUS, it’s just a rite of passage.

  20. Bat  July 29, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    I think that the rules are that if your parent(s) is/are Citizens of the U.S., then you are, too.
    If only one parent is, then you have the choice of dual citizenship of that other parent’s, or the country you were born in, if different.
    I’m not totally sure of this, but part of it must be right. Since Obama’s mother had legal custody of him, he was a child of his mother who was a citizen, therefore he is also a citizen, wherever he was born.

    Since the birth certificate does exist and is registered in the State of Hawaii, after said territory was granted Statehood, then he was born in the U.S., in a State, and is a citizen in his own right.
    So Enough, already. Concentrate on how we are going to regulate and recover some of the finances of this country that have been allowed to run amok and ruin a lot of people who didn’t deserve it, by a bunch of greedy irresponsible rats who do deserve to be ruined. How can we do that, short of uprising and murder? That is something worth thinking about.
    Bat

  21. griff  July 29, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    I love being referred to as being insane, racist or plain stupid because I question the actions of a government overrun with congenital liars and thieves.

    Phil Berg, lifelong Democrat and honorable former Pennsylvania deputy attorney general first filed suit August 21, 2008. So your assumption that this was a right-wing theory from the start is patently false. Of course, when you allow yourself to become emotionally and psychologically invested in something, the end result is the putrid column above.

    You can read the complaint for yourself, unless of course your only argument is of the character assassination, ad hominem type, fueled by media hysterics.

    I would recommend reading the particulars of the case before dismissing it as wild conspiracy theory. I would also recommend discussing the particulars of the case in lieu of hysterical ranting.

    I would also question the timing of this new emotional distraction. Obama’s approval rating falling faster than any president in a hundred years. His policies being shot down one after the other. Enter the right-wing nutjobs to galvanize support behind the floundering false messiah.

    Like Bush used the terror card and his cartoonish threat levels to galvanize his support, Obama has no problem pulling out the race card whenever the need arises. Circle the wagons, the vast right-wing conspiracy is at it again!

    So you must be a conspiracy theorist yourself.

    This is pure theatrical distraction. Good job in keeping it alive and well. And such a brilliant display of ignorance of the issue at hand. And you consider yourself a journalist?

    I seem to remember the same questions being raised about McCain’s citizenship not long ago. If he were president, would that be the distraction of the day?

    “Party knows no impulse but spirit, no prize but victory. It is blind to truth, and hardened against conviction. It seeks to justify error by perseverance, and denies to its own mind the operation of its own judgement. A man under the tyranny of party spirit is the greatest slave upon the earth, for none but himself can deprive him of the freedom of thought.”

    - Thomas Paine

  22. Carl Nemo  July 29, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Thanks Griff for rebutting this rant by our site host, that both stunned and left me feeling somewhat hollow by being categorized with his blanket description of what he believes to be nothing but the protests of “fools”…!

    Methinks it seems Doug Thompson is an “easy lay” when it comes to being fed b.s. regardless of his credentials as being a real estate industry “dark side” lobbyist and many year veteran of D.C. politics. I question his sophistication when it comes to kenning the truth from endless “beltway”/1600 Pennsylvania Avenue based falsehoods relative to our now patently criminally disposed, rogue leadership.

    If humanity is to survive; I’d give anything to witness the outing of the secrets surrounding 9/11, the darker secrets behind many years of the Bushista/Clintonista axis criminal gameplay, along with Obama’s pedigree as being exactly as to whom he claims to be, as challenged in these trying times.

    From the deadly mayhem; ie., 9/11, to other nation destroying conspiracies along with that of the current indictment of our now seated President now seemingly proferring false credentials for the highest office of the land in a nation now seemingly condemned to the ashbin of history; ie., the USA, these revelations, no doubt, would be absolutely stunning to those of our times.

    To those of future times it will be no different than the readings of current disclosures of past historical lies concerning the history of this nation; ie., ho hum reading…! : |

    Carl Nemo **==

    p.s. Thanks for the Thomas Paine quote. I have a painting of the man hanging in my home…!

  23. gazelle1929  July 29, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    What Griff sort of neglects to relate is that the suit has been thrown out of court every time a judge has it come before him or her. Including FIVE times by the US Supreme Court.

    From the wiki article:

    Berg v. Obama

    On August 21, 2008, Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg, a Democrat and former deputy state attorney general, filed a complaint alleging that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and was therefore a citizen of Kenya or possibly Indonesia, where he lived as a child.[89][90] He alleged that the “Certification of Live Birth” on Obama’s website is a forgery.[91]

    U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick dismissed the complaint in October 2008, finding that Berg lacked standing to bring the case and that his attempts to gain standing to pursue his claim were “frivolous and not worthy of discussion.”[92][93] Bypassing the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, Berg filed a petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment in the United States Supreme Court. On December 10, 2008 the Supreme Court denied Berg’s request for an injunction against the seating of the Electoral College, scheduled for December 15.[94] On December 15, 2008, the petitioner refiled the application for injunction.[95] Two days later, Berg’s appeal was denied without comment by Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy.[90] Berg’s previously denied request for an injunction was refiled with Justice Antonin Scalia on December 18, 2008.[95] On January 12, the Supreme Court denied the petition for certiorari. The application for stay addressed to Justice Scalia and referred to the Court was also summarily denied on January 21, 2009.[95]

    The complaint set forth in the URL listed is so poorly typed, worded, and so full of errors that any law school student would flunk moot court for a similar presentation.

    Griff recommends reading the particulars of the case. So do I. This is the sort of poorly written, unfailingly terrible sourcing, and extremely incoherent logic that is so typical of conspiracy theorists. It’s a textbook case of why most people laugh at conspiracy theorists.

    And if you don’t believe me, print the thing out and ask a lawyer friend to comment on it. I did.

  24. keith  July 29, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    I find it fascinating that, during the election, nobody seemed to question John McCain’s eligibility to run for President.

    Hawaii is a state. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

  25. Flapsaddle  August 2, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    1964: George Romney, a contender for the GOP nomination, was born in Mexico. His parents, Mormon missionaries, were both native-born Americans. While some – especially the Goldwater camp – tried to make an issue of this, it was understood that, since his parents were only out of the country temporarily, had not foresworn allegiance to the US, and had not accepted any position that would have required that they be Mexican citizens, little George was considered as much native-born as if he had been born in SLC in the shadow of the Mormon Temple.

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  26. gazelle1929  July 29, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    Mr. Thompson:

    “loony conspiracy theory” is a redundancy.

    Gazelle

    I started out with nothing. I have most all of it left.

  27. woody188  July 31, 2009 at 1:59 am

    Unless the conspiracy actually exists. And you aren’t paranoid if they are really after you.

    Folks that throw out things like this are usually afraid of the discussion.

  28. griff  July 30, 2009 at 1:28 am

    Hey, someone had to do it. I shouldn’t have, but I did.

    “It is the nature and intention of a constitution to prevent governing by party, by establishing a common principle that shall limit and control the power and impulse of party, and that says to all parties, thus far shalt thou go no further. But in the absence of a constitution, men look entirely to party: and instead of principle governing party, party governs principle.

    - Thomas Paine

    We have become totally enthralled with partisan politics, and have totally ignored those that we owe our very existence. ‘Nuff said.

  29. griff  July 30, 2009 at 1:35 am

    Yep. I trust the Supreme Court too…But again, you resort to ad hominem arguments instead of addressing the details of the case.

    So where is your evidence to dispute these allegations? You resort to character assassination in order to prove an unprovable point? I thought you were better than that.

  30. gazelle1929  July 30, 2009 at 9:26 am

    I think you might want to look up what an ad hominem argument really is. I said the author of the complaint had done a very poor job. I did not say that he was a flaming idiot whose mother wore combat boots. That would have been argumentum ad hominem, attacking the PERSON rather than the product.

  31. griff  July 30, 2009 at 10:47 am

    Gee, a poor transcription to the web means that the words have no meaning? If you actually read further, the first comment on the article apologizes for the poor scan of the complaint. But hey, a bad scan means you can discount the entire complaint. I’m quite sure the orignal was up to your lofty standards.

  32. gazelle1929  July 30, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Let me point out a few things for you:

    In the complaint, under factual allegations:

    ” 5. Upon investigation into the birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama’s birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital. Wikipedia English Version under the subject “Barack Obama” states Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Wikipedia Italian Version under the subject “Queens Hospital” states Barack Obama was born in Queens Hospital.

    Yeah, that’s the kind of citation a court is going to grab onto and say, “Yea, verily, I have seen the truth and it is writ on the holy Bible Wikipedia.” Sorry, that is just plain sloppy crap. Your plaintiff did not even provide a date and time for the citations, which as all of us know can be changed any damned time any kook on the internet, or any savant, for that matter, chooses. If you as a law student presented that in moot court you would FLUNK!

    Then, just below it, we find the following gem:

    “There are further references circulating on the internet claiming examination of the hospital’s records in Hawaii show no birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama), Obama’s mother. However, there are records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.”

    Further references circulating on the internet. I laughed for ten minutes when I read that. That’s SO not going to impress the judge.

    And here’s another:

    “Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal was a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008 stating the GOP sent a research team to Mombasa, Kenya and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan Citizen and his mother, a U.S. Citizen.
    At the time of Obama’s birth in 1961, Kenya was a British Colony.”

    Can you sit there and expect anyone in the world to believe that the GOP would have sat on this evidence for more than say half a millisecond? How fucking stupid do you think we are, anyway?

    And further down:

    “Additionally, there is rumor circulating on the Internet that his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, adopted Obama.”

    Tee hee. There is rumor circulating on the internet that George Bush the lesser has three love children he fathered on Latoya Jackson. Perhaps the judge will enjoy reading about it.

    And this:

    ” . . . three (3) independent Document Forensic Experts performed extensive Forensic testing on the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama’s campaign website.”

    I know such a person. I called her and read this to her. She laughed. “Forensically test an image on the internet? No document expert I know of would do this. It’s way to easy to put a fake out there.”

    Further down, under the second “count”, dual citizenship we find:

    “From the beginning of our Constitution, our forefathers inferred a person running for Office of the President could not have divided loyalties.”

    Inferred from what? The author might have done well to have looked up the difference between infer and imply. It is quite obvious that infer is the wrong word to use there.

    Here’s a tip from an on-line dictionary:

    Infer is often confused with “imply.” A good way to distinguish the difference is to remember that “imply” is an activity only the sender of a message can perform. Only the receiver of a message can infer meaning from it: “If what you are implying is true, then I would infer that we don’t have a lot of time.” The related noun inference is the act of inferring or the reasoning involved in drawing a conclusion.

    I could go on and on with this document, but those who think clearly should be able to see that the complaint is total CRAP. It boils down to:

    Hey, I found all this shit on the internet and I want the court to jump in and roll around in the shit with me and then derail the candidacy of Barack Obama and I want the court to do this based on absolutely NO documents except images posted on the internet; instead I want you to base your decision primarily upon your righteous indignation that this man is so uppity that he thinks he can be President of these United States.

  33. Doug Thompson  July 31, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Both of you take your petty little arguments offline. I’m tired of seeing threads hijacked. Gazelle, you usually start these arguments by going over the line. It stops now.

  34. gazelle1929  July 31, 2009 at 10:47 am

    Mr. Thompson:

    I need some enlightenment. The thread is about loony conspiracy theories, specifically the Obama citizenship stuff. Someone brought up a lawsuit and touted it as the be-all and end-all of the argument, proof irrefutable that Obama is not a citizen.

    I tried to show the suit was a pile of crap.

    Can you tell me exactly where I went over the line? And where I hijacked the thread, which was about Obama’s citizenship?

  35. Doug Thompson  July 31, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Avoid the inflammatory language. Avoid questioning the intelligence of other posters. You and griff have a history as you do with some other posters. Your debates too often turn personal. I believe you like to stir the pot and I’m watching and will crack down the next time you and others who get into these too-frequent debates with posts than are longer than the article they respond to.

    What happens is that you and the others you like to bait get into long-winded debates with multiple posts that leaves little time or room for others.

    Stick to issues and avoid the hyperbole.

  36. griff  July 31, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Frankly, Gazelle, I haven’t an interest in this issue other than the fact it has become an issue.

    An increasingly distractive and divisive one. And as usual, anyone that questions anything our government does is being grouped together as dangerous enemies of the state. A sad state of affairs, considering the true enemies of America are the ones in control of it.

    I never stated that this case was the be-all and end-all of anything, nor did I suggest that it was irrefutable. That, I’m afraid, was all of your own making. I said as much in another comment on another article concernig this.

    That doesn’t mean that I can sit by and idly watch as the issue gets misrepresented and propagandized in the media, and makes ninnying reactionaries of us all.

    I merely suggested that people read the case and get off the emotional roller coaster the media has us riding. You offer nothing to dispute any of it but your own opinion, of which you are entitled. But I’m a whacko for having an opinion different than yours?

    Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome? I surely believe you’ve come to love your captors.

    I realize I’ve become a favorite target of yours, and I accept that. I’m a big boy and can handle that. But I don’t back down from anyone, if that be your aim.

    Furthermore, there is far more to citizenship than your place of birth. Obama was a lecturer on the Constitution. He invoked it whenever he saw fit while campaigning; he promised more than once to abide by it and follow it. Yet everything he does is contrary to the very founding principles of this country, of which he swore an oath to protect and uphold.

    Regardless of where Obama was born, he is un-American to the very core, because with every word and every action he tramples on the very ideas and principles that this country is based upon.

    So I’m insane because I don’t believe a congenital liar and charlatan. I’m a racist because I’m sick of being robbed and oppressed by my government. I’m a conspiracy theorist because he’s handed a private bank unlimited power.

    Please…I don’t like Kool-Aid, be it the red or the blue variety.

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