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American pessimism returns as Obama fades

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July 22, 2009

That was fast. The hope and optimism that washed over the country in the opening months of Barack Obama’s presidency are giving way to harsh realities.

An Associated Press-GfK Poll shows that a majority of Americans are back to thinking that the country is headed in the wrong direction after a fleeting period in which more thought it was on the right track.

Obama still has a solid 55 percent approval rating — better than Bill Clinton and about even with George W. Bush six months into their presidencies — but there are growing doubts about whether he can succeed at some of the biggest items on his to-do list. And there is a growing sense that he is trying to tackle too much too soon.

The number of people who think Obama can improve the economy is down a sobering 19 percentage points from the euphoric days just before his inauguration. Ditto for expectations about creating jobs. Also down significantly: the share of people who think he can reduce the deficit, remove troops from Iraq and improve respect for the U.S. around the world, all slipping 15 points.

On overhauling health care, a signature issue for Obama, hopes for success are down a lesser 6 points.

Add it all up, and does it mean Obama has lost his mojo? Has yes-we-can morphed into maybe?

"I think it’s just reality," said Sandy Smith, a 48-year-old public relations worker from Los Angeles. "He’s not Superman, right?"

Indeed, it’s not unusual for approval ratings to slide once presidents actually get to work. They’re pulled down by things going on in the real world, by people who don’t agree with the ways they’re addressing problems, by criticism from political opponents.

In Obama’s case, the problems he’s confronting domestically and internationally are legion, and his ability to blame them on his predecessor is fading. Challenges still abound in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unemployment, at 7.6 percent in January, hit 9.5 percent in June and is expected to keep rising well into next year. Almost 4 percent of homeowners with mortgages are in foreclosure, and an additional 8 percent are at least a month behind on payments — the highest levels since the Great Depression.

The president is deep into the debate over how to overhaul the nation’s health care system, and people are nervous about how their own insurance could be affected. Obama’s critics are accusing him of conducting a risky "grand experiment" that will hurt the economy and could force millions to drop their current coverage.

It’s all taking a toll on expectations. The number of people who think it’s realistic to expect at least some noticeable improvement in the economy during Obama’s first year in office dropped from 27 percent in January to 16 percent in the latest survey.

There’s been slippage, as well, in how people view the president personally, although he’s still well regarded. About two-thirds now think he understands the problems of ordinary Americans, down from 81 percent in January. Sixty-nine percent think he’s a strong leader, off from 78 percent before the inauguration.

"He doesn’t know enough about any of this," says Michelle Kelsey, a 37-year-old student in Breckenridge, Mo., who gives Obama a three for leadership on a 10-point scale. But then again, Kelsey says, "Nobody could have done better."

"I just feel like people haven’t given him enough time. It’s going to take longer for the economy to come around."

In an interview aired Tuesday on "The CBS Evening News," Obama linked high poll numbers to inaction.

"The easiest way to keep your poll numbers up, and to garner good press, is to do not that much here in this town, and not to cause a lot of controversy. And there’s some people who would probably advise that that’s the approach you should take. But that’s not why the American people sent me here. They sent me here to solve problems," he said.

It’s not just Obama who’s feeling the drag. Approval of Congress — already low — has gotten lower, slipping 6 percentage points to 32 percent.

Overall, the number of people who think the country is going in the wrong direction hit 54 percent in the latest AP-GfK poll, up from 46 percent in June.

That’s not necessarily surprising. In years past, the public has tended to be more pessimistic than optimistic about the country’s future. Recent exceptions have been short-lived, at the start of the Iraq war, after the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001, after the capture of Saddam Hussein and late in the Clinton administration.

Perhaps most troubling for Obama may be where he is losing ground. His approval rating was down 9 points among Americans overall but 20 percent among independents. Similarly, the increase in those who think the country is headed in the wrong direction came mostly from independents and Democrats.

Dissatisfaction among independents grew disproportionately on Obama’s handling of a range of issues, including the economy, taxes, unemployment, the environment and more.

Independents are "the ones to watch," according to Professor Robert Shapiro, a Columbia University expert on public opinion. "The Republicans were more pessimistic from the outset. The Democrats are going to be more resistant to negative information."

Overall, Obama still can feel good about a 55 percent approval rating, Shapiro said, but "the fact that it is on the downswing is something to be concerned about. That’s going to affect how members of Congress, and in particular people in his own party, may respond to him."

The AP-GfK Poll was conducted July 16-20 by GfK Roper Public Affairs & Media. It involved interviews on landlines and cell phones with 1,006 adults nationwide. The survey had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

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Associated Press News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius contributed to this report.

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20 Responses to American pessimism returns as Obama fades

  1. RichardKanePA

    July 23, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Europeans are patching and hanging on to jobs for more than the US.

    If after Bush caused the mess, Obama said f you world with a libertarian approach the whole world would have declared economic war on the US.

    I too don’t like the bail outs to the rich. However, if If we don’t want to embrace Castro and Chavez, then we will be putting up with a world that will be getting more and more unfair as time goes on.

    Richard Kane

  2. Nogood

    July 22, 2009 at 9:21 am

    We as Americans are the most impatient people in the world. What in the hell did we expect out of Obama? Should he “pulled a rabbit out the hat”? The real reality is that he stepped into a pile of $hit and there are many out there who have kept hoping that he would slip and fall backward into the pile.

    Failure is what many prayed for. They do not care about this country, all they care about is the failure of President Obama. Their prayers were for failure, not for success. I wished that George W. Bush had been successful, then we wouldn’t be going through what we are today. But since Bush was a failure, his disciples are now wishing the same on Obama.

  3. John1172002

    July 22, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    Exactly, Nogood. The economy is like a giant ship, about 10 times as large as the Titanic. Even if Obama’s name was actually Jesus Christ, if he throws the rudder hard aport, it takes time. A lot more time than he has had so far.

    As far as health care, what’s wrong with using Medicare as a model, assuming you make some necessary changes? I, for one, would be glad to see and pay a (gasp!) tax increase, and an end to the greed that drives all the “private” health insurance companies.

    You are 66, and need the services of a podiatrist to pare down the heavy callouses you get on the bottom of your feet which, because of your age you can no longer get up into your lap, where you could pare them yourself – with a double-edged razor blade. Tough $hit, says the insurance company. “We only cover that under certain conditions, like periphel neuropathy.”

    That was what happened to me, until I got a copy of a page of my medical records from my oncologist. I then called the insurance company, and read them the line that said “patient complains that he can no longer feel his feet. This is a result of his chemotherapy.” I then told them that THAT was the definition of periphal neuropathy. My point? The services of a podiatrist should have been covered in the first place. They turned me down, hoping that I would just accept their decision, and then they would have $85 more dollars to give out as a bonus to the CEO. $crew him. he makes more in a year, counting bonuses, than I made in 4 years working.

    John1172002

  4. griff

    July 23, 2009 at 1:47 am

    Oh please. Maybe that argument works for partisan politicians, but his actions thus far have betrayed his campaign rhetoric. He is doing nothing different. He has changed absolutely nothing. In fact, he’s making things worse.

    I didn’t believe him during the campaign, and I surely don’t believe him now. I surely wish that he would do as he has promised, but at the same time I knew that he wouldn’t. Admitting the reality doesn’t mean anyone wants him to fail. It just means that it is what it is.

    Wake up and smell the coffee already. Obama was a fraud from the get-go, and he proves it every day.

  5. Stratocaster

    July 22, 2009 at 10:09 am

    The people are not wishing for his failure; they are only wishing for a President that would work in their own best interests instead of the those of big business, banks, hospitals, and insurance companies. They are only looking for someone that hasn’t sold out. Is that too much to ask for?

  6. AustinRanter

    July 22, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Regardless of an individual’s political aspirations, there is a much higher power or authority at work in Washington that an individual can’t control or remove.

    It’s possible that Obama had some aspirations to step outside of that power arena and at least reduce the outsider influence and control to the extent that it exists today.

    Obama didn’t take this task on blindly…as he was completely aware of the internal works and obligations to parties outside of Washington when he took the Senate seat.

    Immediately after Obama entered the Oval Office…the “Supreme Power” began whittling Obama down to submission like all of the others.

    But, all of the above…that doesn’t really address the problem.

    The genuine problem isn’t with Obama or members of either Chambers of Congress…”it’s with the people”. That’s the bottom line. There’s no other place to pawn off the buck…or truth.

    We’ve lied to ourselves and we have denied the truth to ourselves and now we’re in a very serious corner that hurts.

    To even hope for a shift of power from special interest back to We The People…there will be incredible sacrifice for many. But have limited means to get to root of the problems.

    We have several of generations that the government has influenced their understanding of how government works. Long ago, many states removed government or civics classes in the public schools because the Federal funding places so many restrictions on how those funds are to be spent at state and local levels.

    Consequently, we have an incredibly large population that are not only politically ignorant.

    They’ve been covertly trained in the game of “I promise to give you” (or dependence on government)

    This population is mostly getting a dangling carrot, but occasionally is pitched a bone. So many promised entitlements or aid programs are never delivered, but yet funds are appropriated. Those that are delivered or way less than promised, costly, and ineffective to those in need.

    But far worse…what this population fails to understand is…that they have to pay for the promises made to them.

    We have a very large population who have been systematically trained to be myopic to government responsibilities and its fundamental framework and they are taught to cling to “the promise” and to live on the edge of hope.

    The Problems with Above:

    (1) How do we reach these people? How can we wean them off of the corp/government tit? How can we teach them to become proactive in the process afforded us all via our Constitution?

    (2) How can we co-opt this population to take a stand and join in a smaller population to take on the task of disassembling our current situation between government and special interest?

    It will be necessary to remove all who hold an incumbent seat in government…all of them. And the voters will hire replacements but with the very clear condition that there will be severe consequences for those who turn to special interest in any capacity.

    Only We The People…can resolve our situation…period…all of We The People will have to come together to end the partnership between special interest and government.

    It may require us all to take a little trip to the front door of Washington, but it will surely require us all over the next two major elections to make a clear and concise statement in the voting booth to not only Washington elected officials, but those who are in control of our government.

    Do we have to balls to take on such a monumental task?

  7. John1172002

    July 22, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    A standing ovation for you, AustinRanter . We The People have to learn that “The Buck Stops Here”, and we can’t have everything.

    John1172002

  8. bryan mcclellan

    July 22, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Pessimism Hah. Outright disgust is more like it. Knowing Obama, and now we do, he will continue to pass off the responsibilities that go with the highest office.

    From failure to prosecute war crimes and the perpetrators of such, to the zero oversight and transparency of the massive economic and health care cluster#ucks that peg the American compass needle pointing straight to oblivion, we are witnessing the dismantling of our country while he does the DC two step looking for bipartisanship where it cannot exist.

    I gave him the benefit of the doubt until he stacked his cabinet with retreads and corporate big shots so he could pass the hot stuff off, thus remaining squeaky clean to the public eye.

    There, as I suspected, never were the huge set of balls he promised to start swinging around.All that exists is a smiling rhetoric bomb in the skin of a woefully unprepared junior Senator sitting in the most powerful of chairs whose fear of standing up makes him twice the cripple FDR ever was.

  9. woody188

    July 22, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    I think the problem is they refuse to even take the simple steps that many Americans know would help them.

    Why do we still allow over 60,000 H-1B VISA workers into this country every year?

    Why do we allow mega stores to import all their wares from overseas?

    Why do we allow corporations to ignore their social responsibilities and off-shore all their labor and profits in the name of free trade? (Which it isn’t.)

    Why are we fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan when we told Democrats in 2006 to end those worthless wars?

    Why are Bush and Cheney allowed to walk away from outright lies they knew were lies to the public, Congress, and the world?

    Why do we allow private corporations to determine our elections via proprietary code that they won’t let anyone else see?

    Why does our government think closing Guantanamo is the right thing to do, but allowing torture to continue at other facilities at Bagram, Afghanistan or Abu Ghraib, Iraq? Don’t they know it’s the torture and infinite detention without charges or trial and not the facility that is the problem?

    Why are US soldiers actively policing the Lower 48?

    Why are the largest US Army recruiting stations located in the Philippines and Guatemala?

    Where did the trillions of dollars the Pentagon announced they lost on 9/10/2001 go?

    Why did 3 steel constructed buildings fall from fire the very next day after the Pentagon announcement? And why is the audit office in the Pentagon one of the few things destroyed there? Talk about lucky coincidence!

    Why did our government claim they started illegally wiretapping US citizens after 9/11/2001 when there is evidence they started doing it in February, 2001 soon after Bush took office?

    Why do we allow governments to take private land and give it to a private developer?

    Why did our Congress and Senate ignore the will of the people (some 80% against) and pass the TARP legislation, and the PATRIOT Act?

    Why do we have free speech zones?

    Why are veterans and 3rd party supporters being targeted by the police as terrorists?

    Why has The Federal Reserve and other central bankers declared themselves above national governments and set about working on a single world currency?

    Why has the UK and US governments dubbed this summer the “Summer of Rage?”

    I’ve more but you get the idea. Obama has done NOTHING to change any of the above.

    I’d also like to take this moment to remind everyone that it is employment, not the stock market, that determines whether a recession becomes a depression. With employment expected to continue in free fall for at least another year, shouldn’t we start calling this down period what it really is?

    There is no such thing as a jobless recovery. We have been scammed. The whole service economy is a complete fraud. When we look back we’ll probably have to look at the period from 2001 until 2015 or so as our Lost Decade similar to what Japan experienced.

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  10. gazelle1929

    July 22, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Why do you continue to write this stuff?

    Social obligations of corporations. We’ve beaten that horse beyond death, but I will repeat it one more time. Corporations exist to make money. Period. The end. They have no social obligations.

    Why do we “allow mega stores to import? See previous question and answer.

    Why are we fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan? Because the President and the Congress decided we needed to do that. Which means that the people decided we need to do that.

    Why are Bush and Cheney allowed to walk away from outright lies? Because, among a host of other reasons, there is no law against lying to the American public when such statements are not made under a specific oath to tell the truth. Ain’t no such oath in the President’s oath of office. YCLIU

    Where did the “trillions of dollars” go? What trillions of dollars? I challenge you publicly to show me where such a statement was made on 9/10/2001 or any other day. You said it, you back it up.

    Why do we allow governments to take land under public domain? We’ve been through all that, too. BECAUSE there was legislation that gave them the right to do it. YCLIU. Those damned idiots in Connecticut could have lobbied to change the law; instead they took a valid law into court and whined. Serves them right. If you don’t like the law get it changed. Otherwise you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

    “Why are veterans and 3rd party supporters being targeted by the police as terrorists?”

    They aren’t being targeted and you know it as well as the rest of us. This is yet another example of keeping telling the same lies over and over again with the hopes that people will start believing them. Goebbels, ca 1935.

    “Why are US soldiers actively policing the Lower 48?”
    Well, they aren’t. See previous reference to the big lie.

    “Why are the largest US Army recruiting stations located in the Philippines and Guatemala?” Wow, there’s a new one. Do you think if you keep asking that question long enough people will begin to wonder whether it’s true? Show me. I don’t believe you can show me. I think it’s a lie. Yet another one in your long list of same.

    Stop throwing this bullshit out there without support. That’s contemptible behaviour.

  11. erade

    July 22, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    e raderman

    i know this isn’t the place to ask but i have been trying to reach chb for weeks. i have not been getting the daily copy of chb for several weeks. i’ve written to several addresses but either the e mail comes back or worse yet, i get no answer.

    dear editors, any ideas????

  12. almandine

    July 22, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    go to FAQs and get Doug’s email address.

  13. JerryG

    July 22, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    Yep, it’s been 7 months! Let’s kick his ass out and get another guy/gal in there. After 7 months if he/she isn’t “gettin’ it done” we’ll kick their ass out too! BUT, we’ll keep sending the same drones back to Congress ‘cuz they’re doing a fantastic job!!!

  14. almandine

    July 22, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    There seems to be a lot of faith here that Obama The Great is “doin the right things”… at the macro level. Heck, savin the country by savin the economy, savin the banks, savin GM, saving the planet, reforming healthcare, what’s to complain about? If mere deeds were flowers, he’d have a whole bouquet by now – 6 months or no.

    The problems I read about – both here and at large – regard the costs of those efforts. Just yesterday, the projected cost of the bailouts has been pegged at $24T (gross) with some amount to be paid back – hopefully. The banks have literally walked off with the bulk of their money, GM and chrysler may or may not make it on the couple hundred billion they were given, a Blue Dog Dem congressman in my state says the cap and tax bill is the WORST piece of legislation he’s ever read, and now of course a bigger healthcare drain (per CBO) on all things budgetary.

    Were OTG to have solved the transparency issues, torture, FOIA, signing statements, Guantanemo, and lobbyists in govt, just to name a few, I think he’d get a much longer rope by which to hang himself fiscally. But to fail on the governance promises he made, and now appearing that bankrupting our great nation is well within his purview, perhaps a short rope is our ONLY hope.

    How broke do we want to be before we declare ENOUGH!

  15. almandine

    July 22, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    duplicate deleted

  16. woody188

    July 23, 2009 at 1:21 am

    Why do you continue to write this stuff?

    Because you and 300 million other Americans need to read the truth.

    Social obligations of corporations. We’ve beaten that horse beyond death, but I will repeat it one more time. Corporations exist to make money. Period. The end. They have no social obligations.

    Why do we “allow mega stores to import? See previous question and answer.

    They used to circa 1950. It’s only recently under globalism that corporations dumped social responsibility. I don’t shop Wal-mart and avoid all mega stores as much as possible. How has laying off nearly 20% of their major market consumers helped corporate shareholders?

    Short term decisions and thinking equal long term bankruptcy. Profits are down some 30% almost across the board except for health care and banking. Harley Davidson posted a 91% decline in quarterly profit this last quarter. We have reached the downward spiral.

    Why are we fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan? Because the President and the Congress decided we needed to do that. Which means that the people decided we need to do that.

    And the people elected Democrats in 2006 and Obama in 2008 because they promised to end those wars and they have not. In fact they are expanding it into a regional war just as envisioned by the PNAC, a now defunct arm of the American Enterprise Institute.

    Why are Bush and Cheney allowed to walk away from outright lies? Because, among a host of other reasons, there is no law against lying to the American public when such statements are not made under a specific oath to tell the truth. Ain’t no such oath in the President’s oath of office. YCLIU

    Lies that sent a nation to war and have killed and maimed millions of innocent people and wasted the lives and health of thousands of our own soldiers. Your claims of legality here are questionable when we look at how the “evidence” used for invasion was mostly manufactured by these same people. I believe it’s in the least fraud, which is a crime.

    Where did the “trillions of dollars” go? What trillions of dollars? I challenge you publicly to show me where such a statement was made on 9/10/2001 or any other day. You said it, you back it up.

    Rumsfeld 2.3 Trillion Dollars missing Pentagon 1 DAY b4/9-11 Publicly humiliating you isn’t my goal gazelle, just an happy side effect of spreading the truth.

    Why do we allow governments to take land under public domain? We’ve been through all that, too. BECAUSE there was legislation that gave them the right to do it. YCLIU. Those damned idiots in Connecticut could have lobbied to change the law; instead they took a valid law into court and whined. Serves them right. If you don’t like the law get it changed. Otherwise you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

    I wrote my Congresswoman in 2004 asking her to look into this issue and she claimed they were working on it. Five years later it still stands. And I’m not talking about making roads and the like. They are taking private property and turning it over to mall developers. Besides, I have a RIGHT under the Constitution to be secure in my property which trumps any supposed right the state is claiming to take my property away and give it to a developer that just happened to be a large contributor to their campaign.

    “Why are veterans and 3rd party supporters being targeted by the police as terrorists?”

    They aren’t being targeted and you know it as well as the rest of us. This is yet another example of keeping telling the same lies over and over again with the hopes that people will start believing them. Goebbels, ca 1935.

    MIAC report: Constitutionalists, Christians, and 3rd party candidate supporters are terrorists I don’t appreciate you alluding to me being some kind of Nazi. For someone that claims to want debate, you ooze slander and lies. You are the one taking the side of the government and corporations and helping push the fascist/socialist agenda. I’m promoting the Constitution, liberty, truth and justice.

    “Why are US soldiers actively policing the Lower 48?”
    Well, they aren’t. See previous reference to the big lie.

    Pentagon to Detail Troops to Bolster Domestic Security

    “Why are the largest US Army recruiting stations located in the Philippines and Guatemala?” Wow, there’s a new one. Do you think if you keep asking that question long enough people will begin to wonder whether it’s true? Show me. I don’t believe you can show me. I think it’s a lie. Yet another one in your long list of same.

    Oops, you got me. I meant Guam instead of Guatemala. My bad. “And since Sept. 11, 2001, the number of immigrants in uniform who have become US citizens has increased from 750 in 2001 to almost 4,600 last year, according to military statistics.” (article from 2006, the Pentagon is understandably very quiet about all the foreigners. I first learned about it from a buddy just back home from Afghanistan. He claimed it’s to the point you need to know Spanish to wear butter bars.)

    It’s amazing to me how you are always wrong gazelle. One would think over time you would learn I ALWAYS can back what I write. Yet rarely if ever do you cite any sources yourself. Well gazelle, YCLIU, but we know you won’t.

  17. Carl Nemo

    July 22, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    You amaze me gazelle1929…!

    Seemingly all your posts to this site have one thought distillate; ie., an apologia for the “evil that men and women do” to their fellow men and women; all under the auspices of a corrupt legal code both civil and criminal…!

    You must be one uv’em; ie., a fifth columnist that posts to this site simply to destabilize any progressive, confrontive thoughts concerning this toxic paradigm that is now eating this nation alive no differently than an untreated cancer. : |

    Carl Nemo **==

  18. woody188

    July 23, 2009 at 2:06 am

    Either a spook or a paid PR person pushing the fascist/communist globalist agenda. (It has portions of both systems intertwined.) Maybe one of those false grassroots plants. Whatever gazelle is, certainly not a patriot or free thinking individual.

    Have often felt this way Carl but didn’t want to admit it for fear of being called more names. That and it’s scary to think our own government would pay people to do this, but they are doing just that.

    Love how the questions they thought they could prove me wrong on were cherry picked, ignoring many of the others that are obvious fact, like the free speech zones, continuing torture and infinite detention, and the way TARP and PATRIOT were passed. Impressive work, but just not passionate enough to prevail.

    That’s why we will win in the end Carl. I don’t get anything for doing this but the satisfaction of making those that would hide in the shadows and lies quake in fear. That and I am working to restore the republic I grew up in for my kids sake. Nothing could provide more motivation than my little 3 and 1 year old boys.

    My only fear is they will take those boys and torture them to get back at me like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Otherwise I have no fear in losing my own life to this cause.

    I have family that fought in the Revolutionary and Civil War. My great-grandfather World War I. My grandfathers fought in World War II and Korea. My father was drafted into Vietnam and is a recent inductee into the Ohio Military Hall of Fame. My mother is a Daughter of the Revolutionary War and nurse.

    I’m fairly certain by now I’m in Main Core and possibly on the No Fly List. Apparently I was spared the Gulf War to work for freedom on our own shores. I will not let my family down.

    This is our Country people. It isn’t for them to give it all away while lining their own pockets. This ends when we demand it.

    “Turn my mic up louder, I got to say somethin’
    Lightweight step it aside when we comin’
    Feel it in your chest, the syllables get pumpin’
    People on the street, they panic and start runnin’

    Words on loose leaf sheet complete comin’
    I jump on my mind, I summon the rhyme I’m dumpin’
    Healin’ the blind, I promise to let the sun in
    Sick of the dark ways, we march to the drummin’

    Jump when they tell us they want to see jumpin’
    F*** that! I want to see some fists pumpin’
    Risk somethin’, take back what’s yours
    Say somethin’ that you know they might attack you for

    ‘Cause I’m sick of bein’ treated like I have before
    Like I’m stupid standin’ for what I’m standin’ for
    Like this war’s really just a different brand of war
    Like it doesn’t cater to rich and abandon poor

    Like they understand you in the back of the jet
    When you can’t put gas in your tank
    These F***ers are laughin’ their way to the bank and cashin’ the check
    Askin’ you to have compassion and have some respect

    For a leader so nervous in an obvious way
    Stutterin’ and mumblin’ for nightly news to replay
    And the rest of the world watchin’ at the end of the day
    In their livin’ room laughin’ like, “What did he say?”

    Portions of Hands Held High by Linkin Park from the album Minutes to Midnight. If you like screaming hip hop rock, you’ll love it.

  19. Doug Thompson

    July 23, 2009 at 7:54 am

    Gazelle:

    Make your points without attacking others. I’m tired on hit and run attacks around here. You accuse others of making charges without sources them yet your response does not include one single citation of sources.

    Argue issues if you wish but I’m not going to allow these attacks against others posters to continue. And leave the obscenities in the school yard where they belong.

  20. woody188

    July 23, 2009 at 12:21 am

    Last time I wrote Doug it bounced saying his mailbox was full. So that might not work either. :)