Liz Cheney or Sarah Palin: Deft vs. ditzy for president

I don’t agree with her. I find her defense of her father exasperating not because it’s convoluted but because it makes a certain kind of sense. As a psychotherapist the word "Oedipal" keeps coming to mind.  She’s a very smart, highly educated, physically attractive, politically conservative woman who held her own with Mika Brzezinski and Eugene Robinson on MSNBC’s "Morning Joe" today.

Mika asked her if she’s considering running for office and she demurred saying she’s busy working on her father’s memoirs. Later, as I note below, she slipped and said when and corrected it to if when asked about a run for the Virginia Senate seat.

She seems to me to be on television every day and I don’t even watch Fox News.

You may think of her as the evil spawn of the devil; pretty much the opposite of his good spawn Mary. But there’s more to Liz Cheney than an acorn that fell and took root right next to the oak tree.
Cheney and family at 2nd inaugural
 Vice President Cheney with Lynne, Mary and Liz and second inaugural. (White House photo)
 
When Eugene Robinson called her disingenuous she actually looked like she knew the meaning of the word. She took this question and all the others asked seriously. She answered all of them.  Perhaps this is  damning  her with faint praise, but I found her to be less evasive than many others in the political world would be in similar circumstances.
 
See what you think:
 
She clearly listens to questions thoughtfully formulating her answers while they’re being asked.  Without taking a deep breath she gives a cogent answer that isn’t a memorized sound bite.
 
This video from "The Rachel Maddow Show" includes clips of Andrea Mitchell interviewing her. 
 

 
Deft vs. Ditzy
 
Compare her with Sarah Palin and her interviews. If you had to choose between the two, which one would you want as president?
 
I don’t know what her positions on religious and social issues are and whether they coincide with Governor Palin’s. She may not rally the social conservatives with her catch phases and turn on the "dudes" with her winks, but she certainly has the potential to be a viable Republican presidential primary candidate.
 
Think of a series of Republican debates between Mike Huckabee, Tim Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin and Liz Cheney. The first three could go easy on Palin because she’s a woman. Cheney would make moosemeat pie out of Palin.
 
Listening to her justification of her father’s tramping over our civil liberties and his shrugging off the use of torture is chilling.  If she did end up as president I’d be worried whether she believes in the "unitary executive" and relegating Congress to being an impotent debating society. I’d worry about he trying to follow in her father’s footstep and attempting to run a black ops division out of the White House.
 
However, I think at least half of this comes from her being the loyal daughter trying to keep daddy’s reputation intact assure that his golden years aren’t spent in prison. 
 
When Eugene Robinson tried to get her to declare for the Virginia U.S. Senate race she answered "whenever I decide when… if… I’m going to do that I’ll do it on MSNBC." When! 
 
She could serve two years in the Senate, either from Virginia or Wyoming, and then make a run for the presidency. Obama did it. Why not Liz Cheney?
 
Or she could decide not to run against an incumbent, especially if polls show Obama way ahead, serve six full years in the Senate and run in 2016.
 
Either way, it sure would make her daddy proud.
 
 
Here’s an audio of a radio interview with Joe Scarborough. He asks her about Palin running for president in 2012. Her response is interesting.
 
 

16 Responses to "Liz Cheney or Sarah Palin: Deft vs. ditzy for president"

  1. sherry  July 14, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Anyone who can’t hold their own against Brezinski, doesn’t have much going on upstairs.
    Mika is more suited to touting her soda tax.
    When Joe isn’t on, I don’t watch. Don’t always agree with him, but at least he doesn’t insult my intelligence.
    As for Cheney, well good luck, she has about as much chance getting elected in Northern VA, as Sarah Palin.

  2. AustinRanter  July 14, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    There was statistics recently posted somewhere on the net as to how many TV appearances that Liz made over a fairly short period of time. She’s mostly ranted about the unfair treatment of the press imposed on her dad. She voiced support for many of the issues that Dick Cheney is most noted for…in very provactive and controversial ways.

    She’s riding a very unique pink cloud as she glides through the media gaining more and more notoriety, but she hasn’t had to face the scrutiny that Palin has.

    Liz appears to be strong willed, and that’s good, but when she has to unveil her own positions, her own philosophies, her own agendas…then we’ll see the usual 40 to 50 million republican (neo-cons and wannabe conservatives) voters jump on the “She’s an Underdog” bandwagon. They love being in that position. It turns them on, if you will. They’ll rally her causes. They’ll scream that about the injustices created by her relationship to her dad (her guilt by association)…and the media’s pounding her relentlessly about her political rhetoric.

    Looks like Ms. Maddow points are all in the ball park with her assessments.

    It defies the imagination what people will say on national television, which is clearly contrary to the facts as recorded on endless hours of televised events and reporters’ quotes in all of the major news papers.

    But, this is America…it’s always up to somebody else to worry about all of our political and government problems.

    Thanks, Hal…

  3. woody188  July 15, 2009 at 12:01 am

    Here’s to hoping we aren’t stupid enough to allow another family dynasty to rule in perpetuity.

    Given Palin and Cheney I’d choose to stay home.

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  4. storky  July 15, 2009 at 12:01 am

    The Republican Comedy tour continues.

  5. Helen Rainier  July 15, 2009 at 12:56 am

    Hal == She’s definitely a female Darthette. She may be highly educated and shrewd/crazy like a fox. I can see how you characterize her as smart, but not intelligent. Holding her own with Mika? As others have said, that wouldn’t be a difficult task. Darthette is a slick and “polished” snake oil sales person who is extremely gifted at bloviating and spinning with the best of them. Is Rove her godfather? I think she’s much scary than Palin because she comes across as being more psychopathic — not unlike Darth.

  6. neondesert  July 15, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    I share those thoughts, though mine fall a little short of characterizing her as a snake oil salesman, probably because it’s unnecessary to give her a persona beyond “politician” to convey the level of underhandedness she’s capable of.

    But on that basis, her intellect, as Hal alluded to, makes her much more worrisome than Palin, likely enabling her to continue the covert executive operations as practiced by her father. Palin would be the George II – manipulated – while Cheney would be Dick Part II – manipulator. Either way, if you liked Bush 2000™, you’d love Cheney 2012™.

  7. ekaton  July 16, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Cheney is smart. Palin is Britney Spears. Either would be equally scary but for different reasons. Imagine Palin & Netanyahu or Palin & Putin in talks over… anything…

    Kent Shaw

  8. hologram5  July 15, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    I wouldn’t elect either one of these idiots to be president of the student body let alone President of the USA. Neither one has enough common sense to keep their mouths shut when they need to or are told to…

    To Boldly Go…
    Anywhere there is sanity…

  9. Hal Brown  July 15, 2009 at 1:41 pm

     The latest "exclusive" from the right wing newspaper The Washington Times (link):

    Former Vice President Dick Cheney’s daughter, who has emerged as a fierce critic of President Obama’s foreign and national security policies, said Monday that she is seriously considering a run for political office. "It’s something I very well may do," Elizabeth "Liz" Cheney told The Washington Times’ "America’s Morning News" radio show.

  10. rporter314  July 15, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    yeppers there is a large difference but there is also a large commonality which you have ignored or downplayed … right-wing paranoia.

  11. Hal Brown  July 15, 2009 at 4:54 pm

     There’s a big difference between being paranoid and pandering to right wing paranoia (the right has the politics of fear down to a science).

    Dick and Liz Cheney, and Sarah Palin, are all adept at the later. I rather doubt the first two believe their own rhetoric. Palin I’m not so sure of.

  12. John1172002  July 15, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Hal, are you really sure that article title shouldn’t be “Daft vs ditzy for President”? I would never vote for either one of them! No one associated with Darth Cheney would ever get my vote. As for Palin, all I can say is that I knew Africa was a continent at 8 years old. And SHE’S a college grad???????????

    John1172002

  13. Hal Brown  July 15, 2009 at 8:19 pm

     If I vote for a Republican for president it will have to be someone like this woman.

     

  14. AustinRanter  July 16, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Hal…

    In line with the link to McCain. She is a bright young woman who is probably capable of being labled as a Neo-Republican, foregoing labels attached to the usual conservative vs. liberal comparisons

    There is a pretty large group of Repubican women who are “Pro-Choice”. Most people can’t grasp that idea that it’s even possible under the philosophical guises of what we deem to be a set-in-concrete Republican value.

    We are seeing a new generation emerge in all spectums of the political world. The Megan McCain generation isn’t going to fit the mold of the traditional Republican or Democrat dogmas.

    I’m personally elated. They are the only hope for change this nation has. They’ll eventually abandon the current day creeds that are nothing more than what we know to be hypocritical standards bestoyed on all via negative propaganda ladled conservativism and liberalism. But then again…it takes an intelligent mind and proactive attitudes to distingush the differece. So, that leaves out a hell of a lot of American voters.

  15. Hal Brown  July 16, 2009 at 4:21 pm

     I  probably won’t live to see someone who’s in their 20’s now become president. I do think elections from now on will be swung by this group and their younger siblings. 

    I hope to live to see a presidential election where I can go to sleep before the returns are in without having nightmares about who might win. 

    I think it would be great for Megan McCain to run for the House of Representatives (min. age 25) – she could advance there to a powerful position or run for Senate when she’s 30 (min. age).

     

  16. AustinRanter  July 16, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    “I hope to live to see a presidential election where I can go to sleep before the returns are in without having nightmares about who might win.” ~ Hal Brown ~

    Too-Shay, my friend.

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