Comments on: Quit the whining, we need radical action http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18234 The oldest political news site on the Internet Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:29:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: dtotire http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18234/comment-page-1#comment-50262 dtotire Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-50262 DanT Managing a national economy is far more complex than managing a business or a state. You have to consider total spending,balance of payments, economic growth, etc. Understanding the economy requires a grasp of macroeconomic analysis, which seems be more technical than the average college graduate is able to understand. This is why to get the economy going again requires increased spending by the government. We may not understand why it has to be done, but it must be, even if we don't like it. DanT

Managing a national economy is far more complex than managing a business or a state. You have to consider total spending,balance of payments, economic growth, etc. Understanding the economy requires a grasp of macroeconomic analysis, which seems be more technical than the average college graduate is able to understand. This is why to get the economy going again requires increased spending by the government. We may not understand why it has to be done, but it must be, even if we don’t like it.

]]> By: tropicaltaco http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18234/comment-page-1#comment-50266 tropicaltaco Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-50266 "We need radicals, not more nattering nabobs of negativity." Exactly, now we're cookin! Status quo has got to go... new blood, new ideas, a new way. ........... "to get the economy going again requires increased spending by the government." I'm wondering now IF we should keep it going, our system is a system of debt wherein only the few at the top can truly prosper ... theres gotta be a better way ... pay it forward? We could make all the financial mistakes and still be OK if we didn't spend so much on war and empire building. The DOD is a misnomer,it should read DOW, (department of war). We haven't had to defend ourselves against an enemy in so long we had to make one up. Shouldn't we be establishing a Department of Peace, DOP? Right now, we have over 700 military installations (not including Marines at each of our embassies) scattered around the world. The majority of these bases are for defending corporate interests, not freedom and democracy. Have not the justifications for empire that are so embedded in our culture, assaulting our good sense that war is necessary for security, that expansion is fundamental to civilization begun to lose hold of our minds ? Have we not reached a place in history when we are ready to embrace a new way of living in the world. Expanding not our military power, but our humanity. (Howard Zinn) http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=vd5xliczq9 We are so close, hope we don't flub the dub. “We need radicals, not more nattering nabobs of negativity.” Exactly, now we’re cookin! Status quo has got to go… new blood, new ideas, a new way.
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“to get the economy going again requires increased spending by the government.” I’m wondering now IF we should keep it going, our system is a system of debt wherein only the few at the top can truly prosper … theres gotta be a better way … pay it forward?

We could make all the financial mistakes and still be OK if we didn’t spend so much on war and empire building. The DOD is a misnomer,it should read DOW, (department of war). We haven’t had to defend ourselves against an enemy in so long we had to make one up.
Shouldn’t we be establishing a Department of Peace, DOP?

Right now, we have over 700 military installations (not including Marines at each of our embassies) scattered around the world. The majority of these bases are for defending corporate interests, not freedom and democracy.

Have not the justifications for empire that are so embedded in our culture, assaulting our good sense that war is necessary for security, that expansion is fundamental to civilization begun to lose hold of our minds ? Have we not reached a place in history when we are ready to embrace a new way of living in the world. Expanding not our military power, but our humanity.
(Howard Zinn) http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=vd5xliczq9

We are so close, hope we don’t flub the dub.

]]> By: Stratocaster http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18234/comment-page-1#comment-50267 Stratocaster Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-50267 An economic recovery requires money in the hands of the consumer, not more money in the hands of the people that created the problem. And, any health care plan should be for the benefit of the patients, not the insurance companies. An economic recovery requires money in the hands of the consumer, not more money in the hands of the people that created the problem. And, any health care plan should be for the benefit of the patients, not the insurance companies.

]]> By: almandine http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18234/comment-page-1#comment-50274 almandine Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-50274 "This is why to get the economy going again requires increased spending by the government. We may not understand why it has to be done, but it must be, even if we don't like it." If you can't even state why it has to be done, on what basis do you make that statement? Please don't appeal to Bernanke, Geithner, their mainstream economic shills, etc. Tell us why. “This is why to get the economy going again requires increased spending by the government. We may not understand why it has to be done, but it must be, even if we don’t like it.”

If you can’t even state why it has to be done, on what basis do you make that statement?

Please don’t appeal to Bernanke, Geithner, their mainstream economic shills, etc. Tell us why.

]]> By: griff http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18234/comment-page-1#comment-50278 griff Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-50278 I think the main problem we have is that we expect the government to step in and solve problems that a free market is more than capable of solving. They've turned us into sniveling beggars. Disgusting. The government isn't supposed to run the economy. The government isn't supposed to run healthcare. The government's job is to provide for a sound currency and allow the free market to operate with as little intervention as possible. What we need is less radical solutions put forth by the same people that brought about the crisis in the first place. If they screwed up so bad in the first place, why on earth would we trust these same morons to do the right thing this time? Where are all the people that forecast this problem? Where are they in this dialog? Nowhere to be seen. Now that would be radical...Actually having some folks that know what they're doing in charge for once. I think the main problem we have is that we expect the government to step in and solve problems that a free market is more than capable of solving.

They’ve turned us into sniveling beggars. Disgusting.

The government isn’t supposed to run the economy. The government isn’t supposed to run healthcare. The government’s job is to provide for a sound currency and allow the free market to operate with as little intervention as possible.

What we need is less radical solutions put forth by the same people that brought about the crisis in the first place. If they screwed up so bad in the first place, why on earth would we trust these same morons to do the right thing this time?

Where are all the people that forecast this problem? Where are they in this dialog? Nowhere to be seen. Now that would be radical…Actually having some folks that know what they’re doing in charge for once.

]]> By: almandine http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18234/comment-page-1#comment-50283 almandine Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-50283 Here's a radical solution for you - http://www.savethemales.ca/confirmedrockefeller_plan_to_g.html Here’s a radical solution for you –

http://www.savethemales.ca/confirmedrockefeller_plan_to_g.html

]]> By: Jim C http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18234/comment-page-1#comment-50284 Jim C Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-50284 First you say " let the free market solve it " , then you say " why trust the same morons to fix it " . You are aware that our current problems were caused by said " morons " getting regulations lifted that had served us well for 60yrs , not by government intervention , quite the opposite . Who says " the government isn't supposed to run healthcare " I missed that one . I do believe that the government is supposed to enable life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness . It's hard to be happy , live or enjoy liberty if some parasitic corporation is gouging the begebbers out of you when you or you're family is sick or kicking you to the curb denying coverage . Sniveling beggers , hardly , we were given a democracy . In case you don't understand what that means , it means we decide what the government ( we the people ) do as a group and what the private sector does within the rules we agree on . If you allow corporations to make those decisions it's not a democracy it's called a kleptocracy . You seem to be unaware that we are the government and it was designed to serve the people , not just business and the weathly . If that is what you deem a sniveling begger then you would have probably sided with the tories and king George , that was their attitude exactly . First you say ” let the free market solve it ” , then you say ” why trust the same morons to fix it ” . You are aware that our current problems were caused by said ” morons ” getting regulations lifted that had served us well for 60yrs , not by government intervention , quite the opposite . Who says ” the government isn’t supposed to run healthcare ” I missed that one . I do believe that the government is supposed to enable life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness . It’s hard to be happy , live or enjoy liberty if some parasitic corporation is gouging the begebbers out of you when you or you’re family is sick or kicking you to the curb denying coverage . Sniveling beggers , hardly , we were given a democracy . In case you don’t understand what that means , it means we decide what the government ( we the people ) do as a group and what the private sector does within the rules we agree on . If you allow corporations to make those decisions it’s not a democracy it’s called a kleptocracy . You seem to be unaware that we are the government and it was designed to serve the people , not just business and the weathly . If that is what you deem a sniveling begger then you would have probably sided with the tories and king George , that was their attitude exactly .

]]> By: almandine http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18234/comment-page-1#comment-50287 almandine Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-50287 Wrong, wrong, totally wrong... The free market and the morons are not the same, The Federal Reserve and its bankers are the morons to blame, We were not "given" a democracy. We fought for and are, by God, A republican (small r) form of government. And now the Fed has near total control of our monetary system. Him with the gold rules. http://www.savethemales.ca/confirmedrockefeller_plan_to_g.html Wrong, wrong, totally wrong…

The free market and the morons are not the same,
The Federal Reserve and its bankers are the morons to blame,
We were not “given” a democracy.
We fought for and are, by God,
A republican (small r) form of government.
And now the Fed has near total control of our monetary system.
Him with the gold rules.

http://www.savethemales.ca/confirmedrockefeller_plan_to_g.html

]]> By: Jim C http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18234/comment-page-1#comment-50291 Jim C Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-50291 Of course you realize the FED is a private non government ( free market ) entity run by member banks which by the way you can by stock in , so what's your point ? We didn't fight for anything , our founding fathers did , so they technically did give us this democracy , how well we're handling it is questionable , but it was handed to us . We're not anything " by god " , that was part of what our founders fought for , a secular state with the freedom to worship or not as we saw fit . True , we are a representive republic , not a true democracy , way to much trouble to gather everybody together to vote on everything . I'm not sure what you mean by " and now the FED has near total control of our monetary system " , may I ask when it didn't since its inception ? But picky picky , it does appear we agree on something , that the FED should be nationalized , the free marketers tossed out on their ear and the control of the monetary system brought under government control . It's way to important to allow free market crooks to control , see , we do agree on that , makes you feel kind of warm and fuzzy doesn't it , have a good evening . Of course you realize the FED is a private non government ( free market ) entity run by member banks which by the way you can by stock in , so what’s your point ? We didn’t fight for anything , our founding fathers did , so they technically did give us this democracy , how well we’re handling it is questionable , but it was handed to us . We’re not anything ” by god ” , that was part of what our founders fought for , a secular state with the freedom to worship or not as we saw fit . True , we are a representive republic , not a true democracy , way to much trouble to gather everybody together to vote on everything . I’m not sure what you mean by ” and now the FED has near total control of our monetary system ” , may I ask when it didn’t since its inception ? But picky picky , it does appear we agree on something , that the FED should be nationalized , the free marketers tossed out on their ear and the control of the monetary system brought under government control . It’s way to important to allow free market crooks to control , see , we do agree on that , makes you feel kind of warm and fuzzy doesn’t it , have a good evening .

]]> By: almandine http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18234/comment-page-1#comment-50292 almandine Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-50292 There is NO free market(ers) in the US. The choice of a republic instead of a democracy was not about voting, it was about the tyranny of majority control. That's why we have a Constitution, a rule of law and not of men, because too many times the brute force of the majority would lead to our demise. Witness the current war on terrorism, in which our laws have been overridden by the executive with the general consent of the majority as the buffer that has kept Congress under control. Checks and balances are gone. Throw out the Oligarchs and their Plutocratic BS and I'm with you. There is NO free market(ers) in the US. The choice of a republic instead of a democracy was not about voting, it was about the tyranny of majority control. That’s why we have a Constitution, a rule of law and not of men, because too many times the brute force of the majority would lead to our demise. Witness the current war on terrorism, in which our laws have been overridden by the executive with the general consent of the majority as the buffer that has kept Congress under control. Checks and balances are gone.

Throw out the Oligarchs and their Plutocratic BS and I’m with you.

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