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		<title>By: Carl Nemo</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17935/comment-page-1#comment-48923</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well-stated Phil Hoskins, but...

&quot;Representative democracy is at stake&quot;...extract from editorial. 

Representative democracy is dead, plain and simple! Terminal greed and the promotion of self interest are the all consuming factors linked to our national demise.  

Once folks back home in Mayberry foolishly elect some &quot;silver-tongued&quot; devil, then send them to Congress, little do they realize they&#039;ve enfranchised a soon to be &quot;traitor&quot; to the Republic and that for which it stands; ie., the U.S. Constitution. 

These newly ensconced reps become indoctrinated with the evil, corrupt ways of maintaining their endless incumbency and bow ever so deeply to their newly befriended corporatist masters. 

The folks back home in Mayberry are then simply pitched scraps of pork, courtesy of the U.S. Treasury deli&#039;s backdoor while foreign interests and programs that benefit corporations get the deluxe &quot;deli&quot; sandwiches...!

We&#039;re finished as a nation and an ugly crisis is on the horizon.  I cannot specifically date the future burning of our new age Babylon, but it&#039;s going to happen.  We&#039;re now in the countdown mode to midnight... :&#124;


Carl Nemo **==</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well-stated Phil Hoskins, but&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Representative democracy is at stake&#8221;&#8230;extract from editorial. </p>
<p>Representative democracy is dead, plain and simple! Terminal greed and the promotion of self interest are the all consuming factors linked to our national demise.  </p>
<p>Once folks back home in Mayberry foolishly elect some &#8220;silver-tongued&#8221; devil, then send them to Congress, little do they realize they&#8217;ve enfranchised a soon to be &#8220;traitor&#8221; to the Republic and that for which it stands; ie., the U.S. Constitution. </p>
<p>These newly ensconced reps become indoctrinated with the evil, corrupt ways of maintaining their endless incumbency and bow ever so deeply to their newly befriended corporatist masters. </p>
<p>The folks back home in Mayberry are then simply pitched scraps of pork, courtesy of the U.S. Treasury deli&#8217;s backdoor while foreign interests and programs that benefit corporations get the deluxe &#8220;deli&#8221; sandwiches&#8230;!</p>
<p>We&#8217;re finished as a nation and an ugly crisis is on the horizon.  I cannot specifically date the future burning of our new age Babylon, but it&#8217;s going to happen.  We&#8217;re now in the countdown mode to midnight&#8230; <img src='http://www.capitolhillblue.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':|' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Carl Nemo **==</p>
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		<title>By: griff</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17935/comment-page-1#comment-48924</link>
		<dc:creator>griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Another emigrant from Fantasy Land. Welcome back to stark reality.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Another emigrant from Fantasy Land. Welcome back to stark reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Nemo</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17935/comment-page-1#comment-48926</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presumably you are referring to me, Griff. Rest assured long before I voted for this president I&#039;ve realized, as yourself, that the entire political scene is a rigged casino experience.  

Due to his refreshing and what I consider to be brilliant oratory and seemingly ironclad commitment to change, I and no doubt many others feel conned in hindsight.  &quot;Yes we can&quot;... should now be, &quot;No he won&#039;t&quot;, while in office motto.

The minute he started sucking up to Hillary Clinton, post his election win, a high yellow alert went off in my mind and then as he troweled in the bricks of his new administration by appointing team members from the Clinton administration, holdovers from the Bush era et al. retreads from the past, many if not all who can be linked to our nation&#039;s demise, I decided that this &quot;silver-tongued&quot; devil is nothing but a judas goat that was groomed to lead us down the path to an ugly form of inefficient, government controlled socialism and all with the approval of an ever hand-clapping neo-Sovietski politburo; ie., our U.S. Congress.  

Obama is the jewel in the crown for the New World Order crowd.  I believe we are now in the &quot;endgame&quot; of their over one hundred year old conspiracy for forcing one world government down the collective throats of peoples of the world.

Btw, I&#039;m an &quot;immigrant&quot; from &quot;Fantasy Island&quot; and not and &quot;emigrant&quot; leaving to join their nationally destructive paradigm hatched in the bowels of hell... : )

Carl Nemo **==  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presumably you are referring to me, Griff. Rest assured long before I voted for this president I&#8217;ve realized, as yourself, that the entire political scene is a rigged casino experience.  </p>
<p>Due to his refreshing and what I consider to be brilliant oratory and seemingly ironclad commitment to change, I and no doubt many others feel conned in hindsight.  &#8220;Yes we can&#8221;&#8230; should now be, &#8220;No he won&#8217;t&#8221;, while in office motto.</p>
<p>The minute he started sucking up to Hillary Clinton, post his election win, a high yellow alert went off in my mind and then as he troweled in the bricks of his new administration by appointing team members from the Clinton administration, holdovers from the Bush era et al. retreads from the past, many if not all who can be linked to our nation&#8217;s demise, I decided that this &#8220;silver-tongued&#8221; devil is nothing but a judas goat that was groomed to lead us down the path to an ugly form of inefficient, government controlled socialism and all with the approval of an ever hand-clapping neo-Sovietski politburo; ie., our U.S. Congress.  </p>
<p>Obama is the jewel in the crown for the New World Order crowd.  I believe we are now in the &#8220;endgame&#8221; of their over one hundred year old conspiracy for forcing one world government down the collective throats of peoples of the world.</p>
<p>Btw, I&#8217;m an &#8220;immigrant&#8221; from &#8220;Fantasy Island&#8221; and not and &#8220;emigrant&#8221; leaving to join their nationally destructive paradigm hatched in the bowels of hell&#8230; : )</p>
<p>Carl Nemo **==</p>
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		<title>By: griff</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17935/comment-page-1#comment-48927</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never do.</p>
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		<title>By: griff</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17935/comment-page-1#comment-48930</link>
		<dc:creator>griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I was refering to the author of the article. I have since absolved you, albeit grudgingly, of your brief flirtation with the hope and change brigade.

I wasn&#039;t quite sure whether to use emigrant or immigrant. Either would apply, although I thought emigrant was a neater fit.

From Merriam-Webster:

immigrant: one that immigrates: as 

a: a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence 
b: a plant or animal that becomes established in an area where it was previously unknown

emigrant: one who emigrates

emigrate: to leave one&#039;s place of residence or country to live elsewhere &lt;emigrated from Canada to the United States&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I was refering to the author of the article. I have since absolved you, albeit grudgingly, of your brief flirtation with the hope and change brigade.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t quite sure whether to use emigrant or immigrant. Either would apply, although I thought emigrant was a neater fit.</p>
<p>From Merriam-Webster:</p>
<p>immigrant: one that immigrates: as </p>
<p>a: a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence<br />
b: a plant or animal that becomes established in an area where it was previously unknown</p>
<p>emigrant: one who emigrates</p>
<p>emigrate: to leave one&#8217;s place of residence or country to live elsewhere <emigrated from Canada to the United States></emigrated></p>
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		<title>By: Phil Hoskins</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17935/comment-page-1#comment-48933</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Hoskins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would rather give the benefit of the doubt.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When that is shown to be refuted by reality, I call em as I see em.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Phil Hoskins&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather give the benefit of the doubt.</p>
<p>When that is shown to be refuted by reality, I call em as I see em.</p>
<p>Phil Hoskins</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Nemo</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17935/comment-page-1#comment-48935</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Phil Hoskins,

Rest assured my negative thoughts directed towards our leadership is not simply to be so, but is based on how the system works as of now.  

&quot;We the people&quot; have no voice once our Congressional District reps are seated along with our two Senators.  I&#039;m very proactive and I must say during the past several years all three of my Washington State Democratic reps have been sore disappointments to myself and my family.  They seem to always do what&#039;s best for their corporate sponsors and to hell with the well being of our nation and their constituents. 

Just today I received an email from &quot;The Pen&quot; a web based activist site and they supplied a link with a video clip showing how the Senate Finance Committee conducted themselves during a recent hearing concerning the future of a national health care plan, if any at all.  The issue of contention concerned single payer health plans vs. the corporate friendly plans they will eventually shove down our collective throats, no differently than them giving trillions away to criminally disposed mega-insurers and bankers all the while feigning outrage as they vote &quot;yea&quot; to give them the money with little to no meaningful oversight or followup to date.   

I think the first eight minutes of this video clip will demonstrate what these smug, entrenched sob&#039;s think of the citizenry, not simply because they ejected protesters from the hearing room, but also their intransigence as to how things are going to be; ie., either it&#039;s their way or the highway for us. 

 http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum982.php

I urge folks to simply view it for it&#039;s tenor rather than its specific content and they should get the message concerning how our arrogant, incumbent U.S. Senators et al. we send to D.C. to represent us operate!

Carl Nemo **==

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Phil Hoskins,</p>
<p>Rest assured my negative thoughts directed towards our leadership is not simply to be so, but is based on how the system works as of now.  </p>
<p>&#8220;We the people&#8221; have no voice once our Congressional District reps are seated along with our two Senators.  I&#8217;m very proactive and I must say during the past several years all three of my Washington State Democratic reps have been sore disappointments to myself and my family.  They seem to always do what&#8217;s best for their corporate sponsors and to hell with the well being of our nation and their constituents. </p>
<p>Just today I received an email from &#8220;The Pen&#8221; a web based activist site and they supplied a link with a video clip showing how the Senate Finance Committee conducted themselves during a recent hearing concerning the future of a national health care plan, if any at all.  The issue of contention concerned single payer health plans vs. the corporate friendly plans they will eventually shove down our collective throats, no differently than them giving trillions away to criminally disposed mega-insurers and bankers all the while feigning outrage as they vote &#8220;yea&#8221; to give them the money with little to no meaningful oversight or followup to date.   </p>
<p>I think the first eight minutes of this video clip will demonstrate what these smug, entrenched sob&#8217;s think of the citizenry, not simply because they ejected protesters from the hearing room, but also their intransigence as to how things are going to be; ie., either it&#8217;s their way or the highway for us. </p>
<p> <a href="http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum982.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum982.php</a></p>
<p>I urge folks to simply view it for it&#8217;s tenor rather than its specific content and they should get the message concerning how our arrogant, incumbent U.S. Senators et al. we send to D.C. to represent us operate!</p>
<p>Carl Nemo **==</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Nemo</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17935/comment-page-1#comment-48936</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies Griff for misconstruing as to whom your comment was directed.  My commentary concerning the word emigrant was simply to &quot;lighten&quot; up my reply and not to specifically criticize you for your choice of words. So don&#039;t take it personally and hopefully Phil won&#039;t either. 

It seems we are all captive as rats on the once good ship America and there&#039;s nowhere to go, but into the sea as she sinks along with the remnant believers in a now failed paradigm.

Carl Nemo **== 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies Griff for misconstruing as to whom your comment was directed.  My commentary concerning the word emigrant was simply to &#8220;lighten&#8221; up my reply and not to specifically criticize you for your choice of words. So don&#8217;t take it personally and hopefully Phil won&#8217;t either. </p>
<p>It seems we are all captive as rats on the once good ship America and there&#8217;s nowhere to go, but into the sea as she sinks along with the remnant believers in a now failed paradigm.</p>
<p>Carl Nemo **==</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Nemo</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17935/comment-page-1#comment-48939</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My previous comment with its supplied video clip surrounds a Senate Finance Committee hearing in which discussion concerning a &quot;single payer&quot; system is being excluded.  

I&#039;ve decided to provide a link discussing the idea and as to why it has merit.  You&#039;ll also realize why our representatives are resistant to allowing the concept into the discussion because it would cause a massive sea change in the way medical administrative affairs and fees paid for procedures are handled in this country.    

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care

Carl Nemo **==</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My previous comment with its supplied video clip surrounds a Senate Finance Committee hearing in which discussion concerning a &#8220;single payer&#8221; system is being excluded.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve decided to provide a link discussing the idea and as to why it has merit.  You&#8217;ll also realize why our representatives are resistant to allowing the concept into the discussion because it would cause a massive sea change in the way medical administrative affairs and fees paid for procedures are handled in this country.    </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care</a></p>
<p>Carl Nemo **==</p>
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		<title>By: gazelle1929</title>
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		<description>Mr Hoskins:

You said above:

&quot;The Senate turned down Sen. Durbin’s common sense measure to authorize bankruptcy court’s power to modify homeowner’s mortgages. Those same courts can change mortgages for the rich – vacation homes, investment properties and other mortgages that the common family cannot afford.&quot;

Could you enlighten me on this last point?  I am not aware that bankruptcy judges, or any other judges for that matter, have the authority to modify mortgage provisions for the rich.  Where does this occur?  Under what circumstances?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Hoskins:</p>
<p>You said above:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Senate turned down Sen. Durbin’s common sense measure to authorize bankruptcy court’s power to modify homeowner’s mortgages. Those same courts can change mortgages for the rich – vacation homes, investment properties and other mortgages that the common family cannot afford.&#8221;</p>
<p>Could you enlighten me on this last point?  I am not aware that bankruptcy judges, or any other judges for that matter, have the authority to modify mortgage provisions for the rich.  Where does this occur?  Under what circumstances?</p>
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