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		<title>By: Paolo</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16556/comment-page-1#comment-46973</link>
		<dc:creator>Paolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent perspective by Phil Hoskins. A recent poll showed 71 percent of Americans felt we should take neither side in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. So we can conclude that 71 percent of our people are smarter and have better judgment than 99 percent of our alleged &quot;leaders.&quot; 

There is only one reason the US government remains blindly loyal to Israel: political advantage. The Israeli lobby is well organized and ready to respond ruthlessly to any perceived attack on the official orthodoxy. They also have strange-bedfellows arrangement with right wing Christian televangelist nut-cases, as well as right wing nitwit radio hosts. Together, the three wield tremendous political clout. 

The question is whether the Israeli Lobby will overreach. It&#039;s already led the US by the nose into a six-year commitment in Iraq, and would love to see that commitment expanded in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran. The Iraqi escapade has already cost over half a trillion dollars (while &quot;fiscal conservatives&quot; rail about million dollar earmarks). 

In the end, the US will be forced to withdraw from the Middle East, not because of military losses, but because of financial losses. Folks, we just can&#039;t afford imperialism. When the unemployment rate and inflation rate hit twenty percent each, the American people just might wake up. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent perspective by Phil Hoskins. A recent poll showed 71 percent of Americans felt we should take neither side in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. So we can conclude that 71 percent of our people are smarter and have better judgment than 99 percent of our alleged &#8220;leaders.&#8221; </p>
<p>There is only one reason the US government remains blindly loyal to Israel: political advantage. The Israeli lobby is well organized and ready to respond ruthlessly to any perceived attack on the official orthodoxy. They also have strange-bedfellows arrangement with right wing Christian televangelist nut-cases, as well as right wing nitwit radio hosts. Together, the three wield tremendous political clout. </p>
<p>The question is whether the Israeli Lobby will overreach. It&#8217;s already led the US by the nose into a six-year commitment in Iraq, and would love to see that commitment expanded in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran. The Iraqi escapade has already cost over half a trillion dollars (while &#8220;fiscal conservatives&#8221; rail about million dollar earmarks). </p>
<p>In the end, the US will be forced to withdraw from the Middle East, not because of military losses, but because of financial losses. Folks, we just can&#8217;t afford imperialism. When the unemployment rate and inflation rate hit twenty percent each, the American people just might wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Nemo</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16556/comment-page-1#comment-46978</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Phil Hoskins for your spot-on analysis concerning the Israeli question?!

The final solution is to simply cede the State of Texas to Israel and pay for the moving of the holy wall and any other things important to the residents and their religion allowing them to feel &quot;down home&quot; in Texas.  

They would vacate the Middle East and let the Palestinians have their land back.  Israel seems to handle border confrontations fairly well so they would make an excellent buffer zone between a seemingly out of control Mexico run by narcotrafficantes and the soft underbelly of the U.S. The climatology is similar too and no doubt would be amenable to most Israeli citizens.    

The end result would be a great savings to American taxpayers and a major defusing of this ongoing Middle Eastern powder keg since the founding of the modern Israeli state. 

It would also be poetic justice for all the Christian fundamentalists living in Texas and elsewhere that are itching for the last great confrontation between good and evil; ie., Armageddon, now defused as a function of this mass migration to their new homeland.../:&#124;

Carl Nemo **== </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Phil Hoskins for your spot-on analysis concerning the Israeli question?!</p>
<p>The final solution is to simply cede the State of Texas to Israel and pay for the moving of the holy wall and any other things important to the residents and their religion allowing them to feel &#8220;down home&#8221; in Texas.  </p>
<p>They would vacate the Middle East and let the Palestinians have their land back.  Israel seems to handle border confrontations fairly well so they would make an excellent buffer zone between a seemingly out of control Mexico run by narcotrafficantes and the soft underbelly of the U.S. The climatology is similar too and no doubt would be amenable to most Israeli citizens.    </p>
<p>The end result would be a great savings to American taxpayers and a major defusing of this ongoing Middle Eastern powder keg since the founding of the modern Israeli state. </p>
<p>It would also be poetic justice for all the Christian fundamentalists living in Texas and elsewhere that are itching for the last great confrontation between good and evil; ie., Armageddon, now defused as a function of this mass migration to their new homeland&#8230;/:|</p>
<p>Carl Nemo **==</p>
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		<title>By: RichardKanePA</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16556/comment-page-1#comment-46980</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardKanePA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One would think that when reading “Is Israel off limits” that The American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s Power” is the size of its teeth.  However it lobbies early while progressive groups get into the lobbing act late in the game when they look like they are trying to push Obama around.  Obama works hard at avoiding the image of being pushed around.

The Religious Right tries to stop Jews from opposing their agenda of Christmas pageants in public schools, and squares etc., by lavishly praising Israel, and as with Rush Limbaugh running self-appointed errands for them.  I think his errands are self-appointed since his efforts to stop what he calls evil socialism destroying America, makes things rough for the two most prominent Jewish politicians Arlen Specter and Joe Lieberman.  If Rush asked what they wanted or made a deal, I’m sure they would suggest something different than making things rough for Specter and Lieberman.  The coordinated Israeli conspiracy theories don’t fit here.

It upsets both of us and many more that the US is letting the Palestinians starve even helping it happen with veto power at the UN, and lack of strings in US aid to Israel.  Perhaps we should point out how much bin Laden appreciates that the US is still helping him recruit.  

Al Qaeda preaches antisemitism in its English language blogging, and America is really the enemy in its Arabic broadcasting, and there is plenty of traditional prejudice involving Jews and business.  Moussaoui in his 9/11 trial where the jury chose between life and death, spent the trial condemning his Jewish lawyer and urging American’s to condemn Israel, and Daniel Pearl, a Wall Street Journal correspondent was lured to Pakistan and beheaded, and forced to parrot a confession of Jewish conspiracy. Of course there is also a lot of anti-Muslim prejudice thrown around.  But bin Laden would be overjoyed if there was a systematic attempt to remove both Jews and Muslims from Western countries to supposedly fight their wars in their part of the world not ours.  Some may say al Qaeda is less and less organized and thus less of a problem, but if al Qaeda members get connived that their multi-generational plans for the future is hopeless, they may seek isolated individual acts of martyrdom.

Unfortunately insinuations of intense conspiracy, though many other articles more intense than the above in the above article, will make it a little less likely that Obama will risk a public row with Israel that might encourage a lot determined anti-Semites to get much limelight.  

(After thought now added) I think Obama wants to do the right thing I hope that I, Phil and the others worried about needless oppression will help him find a way to do it.  Somehow we got to get involved early the way those who basically differ with him do.

For more details see,
http://capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/16552
http://capitolhillblue.com/cont/blog/2419
Richard Kane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One would think that when reading “Is Israel off limits” that The American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s Power” is the size of its teeth.  However it lobbies early while progressive groups get into the lobbing act late in the game when they look like they are trying to push Obama around.  Obama works hard at avoiding the image of being pushed around.</p>
<p>The Religious Right tries to stop Jews from opposing their agenda of Christmas pageants in public schools, and squares etc., by lavishly praising Israel, and as with Rush Limbaugh running self-appointed errands for them.  I think his errands are self-appointed since his efforts to stop what he calls evil socialism destroying America, makes things rough for the two most prominent Jewish politicians Arlen Specter and Joe Lieberman.  If Rush asked what they wanted or made a deal, I’m sure they would suggest something different than making things rough for Specter and Lieberman.  The coordinated Israeli conspiracy theories don’t fit here.</p>
<p>It upsets both of us and many more that the US is letting the Palestinians starve even helping it happen with veto power at the UN, and lack of strings in US aid to Israel.  Perhaps we should point out how much bin Laden appreciates that the US is still helping him recruit.  </p>
<p>Al Qaeda preaches antisemitism in its English language blogging, and America is really the enemy in its Arabic broadcasting, and there is plenty of traditional prejudice involving Jews and business.  Moussaoui in his 9/11 trial where the jury chose between life and death, spent the trial condemning his Jewish lawyer and urging American’s to condemn Israel, and Daniel Pearl, a Wall Street Journal correspondent was lured to Pakistan and beheaded, and forced to parrot a confession of Jewish conspiracy. Of course there is also a lot of anti-Muslim prejudice thrown around.  But bin Laden would be overjoyed if there was a systematic attempt to remove both Jews and Muslims from Western countries to supposedly fight their wars in their part of the world not ours.  Some may say al Qaeda is less and less organized and thus less of a problem, but if al Qaeda members get connived that their multi-generational plans for the future is hopeless, they may seek isolated individual acts of martyrdom.</p>
<p>Unfortunately insinuations of intense conspiracy, though many other articles more intense than the above in the above article, will make it a little less likely that Obama will risk a public row with Israel that might encourage a lot determined anti-Semites to get much limelight.  </p>
<p>(After thought now added) I think Obama wants to do the right thing I hope that I, Phil and the others worried about needless oppression will help him find a way to do it.  Somehow we got to get involved early the way those who basically differ with him do.</p>
<p>For more details see,<br />
<a href="http://capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/16552" rel="nofollow">http://capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/16552</a><br />
<a href="http://capitolhillblue.com/cont/blog/2419" rel="nofollow">http://capitolhillblue.com/cont/blog/2419</a><br />
Richard Kane</p>
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		<title>By: SenatorBilboa</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16556/comment-page-1#comment-46983</link>
		<dc:creator>SenatorBilboa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is the Israel Lobby viewed as so pernicious when the Vatican Lobby (equivalently defined) is far worse for most of us. If it is true that the Israeli Lobby controls foreign policy with respect to that place far off known as the Middle East, it is assuredly clear that the Vatican Lobby exhibits far greater control of our government. There are only two Jewish Supreme Court justices, as opposed to five Roman Catholics. Whereas there are only 32 Jewish Congressmen and 13 Jewish Senators, there are 132 Roman Catholic Congressmen and 25 Roman Catholic Senators.  Although there is a Jewish Chief of Staff in Emmanuel and a Jewish Treasury Department head in Geithner, there is the Catholic Vice President Biden, the Catholic Secretary of the Interior Salazar, the Catholic Secretary of Agriculture Vilsack, the Catholic Secretary of Labor Solis, the Catholic HUD Secretary Donovan, the Catholic Secretary of Homeland Security Napolitano. All Catholics swear fealty to the Vatican, an independent Nation State! Worries about the dominance of a religious group should not be the Jews, but the Catholics. Of course, one might wish to not concentrate on religion at all, as John Kennedy suggested, but it seems that is impossible.   

Although one might wish to have the Israeli Lobby muzzled with respect to the Middle East, clearly an amazing amount of muzzling will be required with respect to the Supreme Court on such things as abortion and euthanasia.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the Israel Lobby viewed as so pernicious when the Vatican Lobby (equivalently defined) is far worse for most of us. If it is true that the Israeli Lobby controls foreign policy with respect to that place far off known as the Middle East, it is assuredly clear that the Vatican Lobby exhibits far greater control of our government. There are only two Jewish Supreme Court justices, as opposed to five Roman Catholics. Whereas there are only 32 Jewish Congressmen and 13 Jewish Senators, there are 132 Roman Catholic Congressmen and 25 Roman Catholic Senators.  Although there is a Jewish Chief of Staff in Emmanuel and a Jewish Treasury Department head in Geithner, there is the Catholic Vice President Biden, the Catholic Secretary of the Interior Salazar, the Catholic Secretary of Agriculture Vilsack, the Catholic Secretary of Labor Solis, the Catholic HUD Secretary Donovan, the Catholic Secretary of Homeland Security Napolitano. All Catholics swear fealty to the Vatican, an independent Nation State! Worries about the dominance of a religious group should not be the Jews, but the Catholics. Of course, one might wish to not concentrate on religion at all, as John Kennedy suggested, but it seems that is impossible.   </p>
<p>Although one might wish to have the Israeli Lobby muzzled with respect to the Middle East, clearly an amazing amount of muzzling will be required with respect to the Supreme Court on such things as abortion and euthanasia.</p>
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		<title>By: barak</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea Carl. It might even change Texas from being a state with the most anti-semites to a livable place where technology flourishes along with oranges!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea Carl. It might even change Texas from being a state with the most anti-semites to a livable place where technology flourishes along with oranges!</p>
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		<title>By: barak</title>
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		<dc:creator>barak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoskins is right. We should abandon our only true supporter in the Middle East. Not only would it end the arabs reason for allegedly hating the USA, but it would restore that land to the state it was before the Jews moved in--a land of swamps, desert, and donkey crap in the streets. 

But it WOULD be picturesque!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoskins is right. We should abandon our only true supporter in the Middle East. Not only would it end the arabs reason for allegedly hating the USA, but it would restore that land to the state it was before the Jews moved in&#8211;a land of swamps, desert, and donkey crap in the streets. </p>
<p>But it WOULD be picturesque!</p>
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		<title>By: kate9954</title>
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		<dc:creator>kate9954</dc:creator>
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		<description>Phil, you are dead on, but you&#039;ve missed a point that few Americans are aware of, and that is the issue of dual citizenship.  During my USAF years, I held a TS clearance.  If I&#039;d been a dual citizen with any nation on Earth - even England, our closest &quot;friend&quot; - it would have raised serious questions.  That is, unless I was Jewish and a dual citizen with Israel.

During the last administration, the top 3-4 decision makers at the Pentagon under Rumsfeld were dual citizens with Israel.  Israel, the nation that conducts the most espionage operations *against* the US of any so-called &quot;friendly&quot; nation.

I&#039;m not picking on Jews - or even Israelis.  I don&#039;t hate anybody in particular these days, and the Jewish people least of all.  But I do believe that the .01% of jobs in the US that require more than a simple criminal check should be barred to anyone who holds dual citizenship, period, absolutely regardless of nation.  Divided loyalties at those levels contain too much potential for disaster.

Just common sense, it seems to me.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, you are dead on, but you&#8217;ve missed a point that few Americans are aware of, and that is the issue of dual citizenship.  During my USAF years, I held a TS clearance.  If I&#8217;d been a dual citizen with any nation on Earth &#8211; even England, our closest &#8220;friend&#8221; &#8211; it would have raised serious questions.  That is, unless I was Jewish and a dual citizen with Israel.</p>
<p>During the last administration, the top 3-4 decision makers at the Pentagon under Rumsfeld were dual citizens with Israel.  Israel, the nation that conducts the most espionage operations *against* the US of any so-called &#8220;friendly&#8221; nation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not picking on Jews &#8211; or even Israelis.  I don&#8217;t hate anybody in particular these days, and the Jewish people least of all.  But I do believe that the .01% of jobs in the US that require more than a simple criminal check should be barred to anyone who holds dual citizenship, period, absolutely regardless of nation.  Divided loyalties at those levels contain too much potential for disaster.</p>
<p>Just common sense, it seems to me.</p>
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		<title>By: retiredbiker</title>
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		<description>I would modify and expand your excellent suggestion in several respects. Let the Muslim nations use their oil wealth to buy out the Jewish settlers in Israel. This could be accomplished over a decade or more. Purchase the infrastructure, and give each Israel citizen a fat check to move to Texas, or anywhere else they might wish to go. Those Zionists with a Masada complex, who think their imaginary god promised them this land 4,000 years ago who refuse to relocate would have to learn to get along with their neighbors. 

The U.S. could not be accused of anti-Semitism, as we would welcome the new (now wealthy and generally highly educated) emigrants with open arms.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would modify and expand your excellent suggestion in several respects. Let the Muslim nations use their oil wealth to buy out the Jewish settlers in Israel. This could be accomplished over a decade or more. Purchase the infrastructure, and give each Israel citizen a fat check to move to Texas, or anywhere else they might wish to go. Those Zionists with a Masada complex, who think their imaginary god promised them this land 4,000 years ago who refuse to relocate would have to learn to get along with their neighbors. </p>
<p>The U.S. could not be accused of anti-Semitism, as we would welcome the new (now wealthy and generally highly educated) emigrants with open arms.</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
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		<description>In respect to the greater population, there is a disproportionate amount of Jewish government figures which is why they are singled out.  The thinking goes, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html&quot;&gt;if there is only 2% of the US population that is Jewish&lt;/a&gt;, why then do they control 17% of the SCOTUS, 7% of Congressmen, 13% of Senators, etc.  Incidentally this is also why many would claim Jewish control over the media.

Roughly 26% of the US population claims to be Roman Catholic.  According to your figures, they have 42% of the SCOTUS, 30% of Congressmen, 25% of Senators.  So I&#039;ll agree they are disproportionately represented on the SCOTUS, but their Congressional representation is more in line with the general population.

Then there is the whole Franklin/Weissman/Rosen espionage case where AIPAC officials received secret documents from Laurence Franklin.  Franklin is currently serving a 12-year sentence, a slap on the wrist for espionage while &lt;a href=&quot;http://fas.org/sgp/jud/aipac/index.html&quot;&gt;Weissman and Rosen are in the trial process.&lt;/a&gt;

Gee, I wonder why we don&#039;t see Weissman and Rosen&#039;s trial every day on the news?  Spy rings usually make such explosive news stories, one might think at least one network would bother to mention it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In respect to the greater population, there is a disproportionate amount of Jewish government figures which is why they are singled out.  The thinking goes, <a href="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html">if there is only 2% of the US population that is Jewish</a>, why then do they control 17% of the SCOTUS, 7% of Congressmen, 13% of Senators, etc.  Incidentally this is also why many would claim Jewish control over the media.</p>
<p>Roughly 26% of the US population claims to be Roman Catholic.  According to your figures, they have 42% of the SCOTUS, 30% of Congressmen, 25% of Senators.  So I&#8217;ll agree they are disproportionately represented on the SCOTUS, but their Congressional representation is more in line with the general population.</p>
<p>Then there is the whole Franklin/Weissman/Rosen espionage case where AIPAC officials received secret documents from Laurence Franklin.  Franklin is currently serving a 12-year sentence, a slap on the wrist for espionage while <a href="http://fas.org/sgp/jud/aipac/index.html">Weissman and Rosen are in the trial process.</a></p>
<p>Gee, I wonder why we don&#8217;t see Weissman and Rosen&#8217;s trial every day on the news?  Spy rings usually make such explosive news stories, one might think at least one network would bother to mention it!</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
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		<description>I got banned and called an anti-semite for mentioning the dual-citizenship and providing a list of government officials currently in office that hold such status.  So watch your back sister!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got banned and called an anti-semite for mentioning the dual-citizenship and providing a list of government officials currently in office that hold such status.  So watch your back sister!</p>
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