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		<title>By: bryan mcclellan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan mcclellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Were his acts judged in the same manner as that of the average American the cage door would have slammed long ago and the key sent to the nether regions of outer space.

 It is time to show the self proclaimed royalty (politicians) of this nation that none are above the laws or deserving of less than it&#039;s full adjudication.

 The white collar crime we have witnessed is of the most heinous and despicable.These actions were and are tantamount to murder.In the case of the economy, premeditated murder. As you say Doug, they have torn the very fabric of our nation and left us as tattered and starving waifs at the mercy of the wolves of their self made Pagan history.

 It&#039;s time to say as the old song goes, Goddamn the Pusher man while adding the Politician man to the refrain.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were his acts judged in the same manner as that of the average American the cage door would have slammed long ago and the key sent to the nether regions of outer space.</p>
<p> It is time to show the self proclaimed royalty (politicians) of this nation that none are above the laws or deserving of less than it&#8217;s full adjudication.</p>
<p> The white collar crime we have witnessed is of the most heinous and despicable.These actions were and are tantamount to murder.In the case of the economy, premeditated murder. As you say Doug, they have torn the very fabric of our nation and left us as tattered and starving waifs at the mercy of the wolves of their self made Pagan history.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s time to say as the old song goes, Goddamn the Pusher man while adding the Politician man to the refrain.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRanter</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16465/comment-page-1#comment-46612</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRanter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

I&#039;ve never had a problem imposing justice on those who violate our laws. But, we have an entire government body that has created legal shelters to protect its members from accountability.  No actions are taken because there are profound conflicting opinions over who violated what, and how the law applies.  

I say let&#039;s draw a line in the sand, here and now.  We have to prevent future infractions by creating a new paradigm or set of standards to force government accountability and transparency.

Bush is just one of many...&quot;many&quot;...who need to face the music for their crimes. But our government has put themselves in a very unique position. Most of their crimes are null and void because of the laws made by our government to protect themselves from accountability. So, we can only argue that they have committed moral violations rather than legal ones.

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Example of moral vs. legal argument:

Because of the current laws, we can&#039;t prosecute any of Wall Street CEO&#039;s, Bank CEO&#039;s, Insurance executives who literally raped mega-millions of their life savings, pensions, investments, and home equities. 

But to Add Insult to Injury...

Every single person who has the capability to engage in critical thinking understands that we are in peril today because of laws created by our government to allow all of the aforementioned make billions, if not trillions at the expense of our nation&#039;s citizens and commerce...are equally as guilty as the criminals listed in the previous paragraph.  WHO WILL PAY for these crimes? 

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Who, in our nation, will step forward and demand that our government get honest? Who will we put in place to champion the necessary laws to make our government elected and appointed officials perform their duties as our founders envisioned and as stated in the Federalist Papers and in our Constitution? 

We have failed, on all fronts, to evolve with the times and deal with all of the issues of government that Madison and others warned of over 200 years ago.

We the People can&#039;t say we weren&#039;t warned.

Bush is but a speck of sand on the beach. His criminal transgressions are real, but no more so than the 1000&#039;s of crimes against our nation committed for decades by all levels of government (All of which we can only argue from a moral standpoint).

We have to nail all of the bastards in Washington who have exploited the American people and our Constitution, but we have to force our criminals to pass laws that will give us warrant to take them down for their crimes.

I don&#039;t see any actions by the people likely to happen...We the People don&#039;t have the balls or the collective voice to do it. In my not-so-humble-opinion, WE (the citizens / electorates) don&#039;t have a history of learning from our mistakes, apathy, and ignorance.

Sorry if this is incongruent...or my stream of logic is wrecked, but as I write this...it burns my ass that we&#039;ve let our government become a legal mob of criminals.  My thoughts are all over the place.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never had a problem imposing justice on those who violate our laws. But, we have an entire government body that has created legal shelters to protect its members from accountability.  No actions are taken because there are profound conflicting opinions over who violated what, and how the law applies.  </p>
<p>I say let&#8217;s draw a line in the sand, here and now.  We have to prevent future infractions by creating a new paradigm or set of standards to force government accountability and transparency.</p>
<p>Bush is just one of many&#8230;&#8221;many&#8221;&#8230;who need to face the music for their crimes. But our government has put themselves in a very unique position. Most of their crimes are null and void because of the laws made by our government to protect themselves from accountability. So, we can only argue that they have committed moral violations rather than legal ones.</p>
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<p>Example of moral vs. legal argument:</p>
<p>Because of the current laws, we can&#8217;t prosecute any of Wall Street CEO&#8217;s, Bank CEO&#8217;s, Insurance executives who literally raped mega-millions of their life savings, pensions, investments, and home equities. </p>
<p>But to Add Insult to Injury&#8230;</p>
<p>Every single person who has the capability to engage in critical thinking understands that we are in peril today because of laws created by our government to allow all of the aforementioned make billions, if not trillions at the expense of our nation&#8217;s citizens and commerce&#8230;are equally as guilty as the criminals listed in the previous paragraph.  WHO WILL PAY for these crimes? </p>
<p>*************************************************************</p>
<p>Who, in our nation, will step forward and demand that our government get honest? Who will we put in place to champion the necessary laws to make our government elected and appointed officials perform their duties as our founders envisioned and as stated in the Federalist Papers and in our Constitution? </p>
<p>We have failed, on all fronts, to evolve with the times and deal with all of the issues of government that Madison and others warned of over 200 years ago.</p>
<p>We the People can&#8217;t say we weren&#8217;t warned.</p>
<p>Bush is but a speck of sand on the beach. His criminal transgressions are real, but no more so than the 1000&#8242;s of crimes against our nation committed for decades by all levels of government (All of which we can only argue from a moral standpoint).</p>
<p>We have to nail all of the bastards in Washington who have exploited the American people and our Constitution, but we have to force our criminals to pass laws that will give us warrant to take them down for their crimes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any actions by the people likely to happen&#8230;We the People don&#8217;t have the balls or the collective voice to do it. In my not-so-humble-opinion, WE (the citizens / electorates) don&#8217;t have a history of learning from our mistakes, apathy, and ignorance.</p>
<p>Sorry if this is incongruent&#8230;or my stream of logic is wrecked, but as I write this&#8230;it burns my ass that we&#8217;ve let our government become a legal mob of criminals.  My thoughts are all over the place.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16465/comment-page-1#comment-46613</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We the People do have our voice, and our vote.  It is our responsiblity to write, call, and visit our elected representatives to let them know what we want to happen.  It is also our job to write our media outlets and let them know what we think. Every American citizen was directed to do this by the founding fathers.  Our elected and appointed officials MUST be held accountable for their actions.  Bush and his band of cut-throats must be held accountable.  There are laws that were broken, and they must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. 
&lt;i&gt;If you tell the truth you don&#039;t have to remember anything.
Mark Twain&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We the People do have our voice, and our vote.  It is our responsiblity to write, call, and visit our elected representatives to let them know what we want to happen.  It is also our job to write our media outlets and let them know what we think. Every American citizen was directed to do this by the founding fathers.  Our elected and appointed officials MUST be held accountable for their actions.  Bush and his band of cut-throats must be held accountable.  There are laws that were broken, and they must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.<br />
<i>If you tell the truth you don&#8217;t have to remember anything.<br />
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		<title>By: Charlie Couser</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16465/comment-page-1#comment-46614</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Couser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy (Vermont) is attempting to get enough signatures on a petition to pursue the investigation, and hopefully, prosecution, of Heir Bush, Darth Cheney and the rest of their SS cabal. I would suggest each of you visit Sen. Leahy&#039;s website and join this very worthwhile endeavor.

Charlie Couser</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy (Vermont) is attempting to get enough signatures on a petition to pursue the investigation, and hopefully, prosecution, of Heir Bush, Darth Cheney and the rest of their SS cabal. I would suggest each of you visit Sen. Leahy&#8217;s website and join this very worthwhile endeavor.</p>
<p>Charlie Couser</p>
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		<title>By: griff</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16465/comment-page-1#comment-46615</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we indicted all the criminals in Washington it would be a ghost town overnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we indicted all the criminals in Washington it would be a ghost town overnight.</p>
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		<title>By: sherry</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16465/comment-page-1#comment-46616</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knows what is in the back room deals? Pelosi has said since 2004 Impeachment (as well as prosecution?) was off the table. Obama has said he will not pursue any charges against Bush. The blazing question is, why?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knows what is in the back room deals? Pelosi has said since 2004 Impeachment (as well as prosecution?) was off the table. Obama has said he will not pursue any charges against Bush. The blazing question is, why?</p>
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		<title>By: Oldpoop</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16465/comment-page-1#comment-46618</link>
		<dc:creator>Oldpoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the same Senator Leahy that persuaded Bill Clinton to sign a bill in March 1998 that made Lake Champlain a Great Lake?  After receiving the $50 million designated for Great Lakes, Pat said he made a mistake (but kept the money) and requested it not be made a Great Lake.

I REALLY feel good about having Pat decide what the government should be doing.

Ray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the same Senator Leahy that persuaded Bill Clinton to sign a bill in March 1998 that made Lake Champlain a Great Lake?  After receiving the $50 million designated for Great Lakes, Pat said he made a mistake (but kept the money) and requested it not be made a Great Lake.</p>
<p>I REALLY feel good about having Pat decide what the government should be doing.</p>
<p>Ray</p>
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		<title>By: griff</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16465/comment-page-1#comment-46619</link>
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		<description>Because it is clear that Obama will be carrying out essentially the same programs. Closing Gitmo was a PR move and hasn&#039;t even happened yet. CIA renditions and torture abroad are still going strong.

Obama worked hand-in-hand with Bush to push through the banker bailout against the will of the People.

If he were to pursue charges against Bush then he would be culpable for carrying on the same programs.

Everyone that voted for Obama because you thought he was going to do anything differently should stay out of the voting booth next time. You&#039;re apparently not smart enough to figure out who really runs the show in Washington. There&#039;s your lesser of two evils...enjoy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because it is clear that Obama will be carrying out essentially the same programs. Closing Gitmo was a PR move and hasn&#8217;t even happened yet. CIA renditions and torture abroad are still going strong.</p>
<p>Obama worked hand-in-hand with Bush to push through the banker bailout against the will of the People.</p>
<p>If he were to pursue charges against Bush then he would be culpable for carrying on the same programs.</p>
<p>Everyone that voted for Obama because you thought he was going to do anything differently should stay out of the voting booth next time. You&#8217;re apparently not smart enough to figure out who really runs the show in Washington. There&#8217;s your lesser of two evils&#8230;enjoy it.</p>
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		<title>By: spartacus</title>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad that you&#039;ve finally seen the light!  The more the last 8 years are investigated, the more information will come to light.  The corruption of the Bush administration is so mind-blowing no one would publish it as a work of fiction because it seems too fantastic to be reality.

Sherry, Obama never said he wouldn&#039;t pursue any charges against Bush.  He left that up to whoever might do the investigating (i.e. Eric Holder, members of Congress, etc).  He has indicated he wants to look forward, but has also said that no one is above the law.  In other words, he has never ruled it out.  Perhaps that&#039;s his way of staying out of it, and letting others do their jobs.  It&#039;s not up to the president to investigate the previous administration.  Pelosi also now says she wants an investigation.  Impeachment would have made her president.  It also would have seemed like a power grab after the wrong done to Bill Clinton.  Right now, the winds have shifted, and she probably realizes that it&#039;s way past time to do her job.  Better late than never.  The guilty can still be put in prison, after all.

I wouldn&#039;t rule out some sort of justice in the end. After all, there are investigations going on all over the place, from dirty contracts in New Orleans, Justice Department firings, Blackwater, illegal contracts in Iraq, you name it.  Those are just the tip of the iceberg.  It&#039;s just a matter of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad that you&#8217;ve finally seen the light!  The more the last 8 years are investigated, the more information will come to light.  The corruption of the Bush administration is so mind-blowing no one would publish it as a work of fiction because it seems too fantastic to be reality.</p>
<p>Sherry, Obama never said he wouldn&#8217;t pursue any charges against Bush.  He left that up to whoever might do the investigating (i.e. Eric Holder, members of Congress, etc).  He has indicated he wants to look forward, but has also said that no one is above the law.  In other words, he has never ruled it out.  Perhaps that&#8217;s his way of staying out of it, and letting others do their jobs.  It&#8217;s not up to the president to investigate the previous administration.  Pelosi also now says she wants an investigation.  Impeachment would have made her president.  It also would have seemed like a power grab after the wrong done to Bill Clinton.  Right now, the winds have shifted, and she probably realizes that it&#8217;s way past time to do her job.  Better late than never.  The guilty can still be put in prison, after all.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t rule out some sort of justice in the end. After all, there are investigations going on all over the place, from dirty contracts in New Orleans, Justice Department firings, Blackwater, illegal contracts in Iraq, you name it.  Those are just the tip of the iceberg.  It&#8217;s just a matter of time.</p>
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		<title>By: gazelle1929</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16465/comment-page-1#comment-46621</link>
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		<description>Give them bread and circuses (trials) and they will forget about how bad things really are in the world.  

Keep focused, people, keep focused.  We have a disastrous depression hurtling our way and we don&#039;t have either the time or the national energy to go through a series of political trials, particularly trials that would divide us even further within our teetering house.

Lastly, with what crimes would you charge these people?  Treason?  Murder?  Terminal stupidity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give them bread and circuses (trials) and they will forget about how bad things really are in the world.  </p>
<p>Keep focused, people, keep focused.  We have a disastrous depression hurtling our way and we don&#8217;t have either the time or the national energy to go through a series of political trials, particularly trials that would divide us even further within our teetering house.</p>
<p>Lastly, with what crimes would you charge these people?  Treason?  Murder?  Terminal stupidity?</p>
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