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		<title>By: DejaVuAllOver</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/13708/comment-page-1#comment-44932</link>
		<dc:creator>DejaVuAllOver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all fairness, the MSM IS liberal, in some very minor respects.  They are relatively pro-gay rights, relatively pro-government and relatively pro personal freedom as long as it doesn&#039;t interfere with with Israel&#039;s &quot;freedom.&quot;  I&#039;m thoroughly convinced the MSM gets it&#039;s marching orders from Tel Aviv; even more so these days than in the &#039;80s when I worked in the TV &quot;biz&quot; in L.A.   Personally, I wish it would just go there, for good, and leave US alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness, the MSM IS liberal, in some very minor respects.  They are relatively pro-gay rights, relatively pro-government and relatively pro personal freedom as long as it doesn&#8217;t interfere with with Israel&#8217;s &#8220;freedom.&#8221;  I&#8217;m thoroughly convinced the MSM gets it&#8217;s marching orders from Tel Aviv; even more so these days than in the &#8217;80s when I worked in the TV &#8220;biz&#8221; in L.A.   Personally, I wish it would just go there, for good, and leave US alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too share your immense frustrations Rob Kezelis concerning our non-performing media. 

Pravda (Russian: Правда, &quot;The Truth&quot;) was the leading newspaper of the Soviet Union and an official organ of the Central Committee of the Communist Party between 1912 and 1991; ie., basically a mouthpiece for their hardcore communist propaganda.  

Boris Yeltsin shut the newspaper down in 1991 during his ascendency to power. 
 
Today the newspaper is more tabloid in style, but still an interesting source of news that&#039;s superbly juxtaposed against the manure the MSM feeds U.S. citizens on a daily basis.  I enjoy reading the paper on the web and on more than one occasion it makes me go hmmm? concerning some issue that has been hard sold to us by our compromised MSM.   

http://english.pravda.ru/allnews_en.html

I find it interesting that our news sources have become more like the Soviet era Pravda with our Congress performing as nothing but a handclapping, rubber-stamping politburo for every cockamamie scheme hatched by a criminally disposed executive branch.  

So I guess the hardcore commies did take over the U.S. without firing a shot, while the stay behind commies cast off their chains only to become pirate capitalists.

It&#039;s as if the &quot;commie rats&quot; of old left their sinking vessel only to climb aboard their newly christened  USS AmeriKa... : &#124; 

Carl Nemo **==

 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too share your immense frustrations Rob Kezelis concerning our non-performing media. </p>
<p>Pravda (Russian: Правда, &#8220;The Truth&#8221;) was the leading newspaper of the Soviet Union and an official organ of the Central Committee of the Communist Party between 1912 and 1991; ie., basically a mouthpiece for their hardcore communist propaganda.  </p>
<p>Boris Yeltsin shut the newspaper down in 1991 during his ascendency to power. </p>
<p>Today the newspaper is more tabloid in style, but still an interesting source of news that&#8217;s superbly juxtaposed against the manure the MSM feeds U.S. citizens on a daily basis.  I enjoy reading the paper on the web and on more than one occasion it makes me go hmmm? concerning some issue that has been hard sold to us by our compromised MSM.   </p>
<p><a href="http://english.pravda.ru/allnews_en.html" rel="nofollow">http://english.pravda.ru/allnews_en.html</a></p>
<p>I find it interesting that our news sources have become more like the Soviet era Pravda with our Congress performing as nothing but a handclapping, rubber-stamping politburo for every cockamamie scheme hatched by a criminally disposed executive branch.  </p>
<p>So I guess the hardcore commies did take over the U.S. without firing a shot, while the stay behind commies cast off their chains only to become pirate capitalists.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as if the &#8220;commie rats&#8221; of old left their sinking vessel only to climb aboard their newly christened  USS AmeriKa&#8230; : | </p>
<p>Carl Nemo **==</p>
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		<title>By: woody188</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And isn&#039;t it just a bit interesting that the media ownership rules were relaxed by the FCC while being lead by Michael Powell, Colin Powell&#039;s son.  The polls showed the public was against the consolidation, but like the Patriot Act, TARP, and fighting in Iraq, we are not truly represented by the current batch of representatives.  They consistently ignore their constituents on every important matter and are causing the destruction of the republic.  The lame stream media is cheering them on and showing extreme bias for pro-federal government and pro-global-corporate policies and against individuals, freedoms, and local business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And isn&#8217;t it just a bit interesting that the media ownership rules were relaxed by the FCC while being lead by Michael Powell, Colin Powell&#8217;s son.  The polls showed the public was against the consolidation, but like the Patriot Act, TARP, and fighting in Iraq, we are not truly represented by the current batch of representatives.  They consistently ignore their constituents on every important matter and are causing the destruction of the republic.  The lame stream media is cheering them on and showing extreme bias for pro-federal government and pro-global-corporate policies and against individuals, freedoms, and local business.</p>
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		<title>By: gazelle1929</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What liberal media?  This should be more accurately headlined as what irresponsible media crap.

I&#039;ll take two of the assertions of truth made by Mr. Kezelis:

1.  &quot;Even worse, their quality control has resulted in US troops . . .  drinking bad water (The ice they used to store corpses was used in drinks served to US troops) . . ..&quot;

The reality is that last month a former KBR employee filed a class action lawsuit that alleged that:

&quot;The lawsuit also accuses KBR of shipping ice in mortuary trucks that &quot;still had traces of body fluids and putrefied remains in them when they were loaded with ice. This ice was served to U.S. forces.&#039;&quot;

One should note the difference between the allegation and the flat assertion that Mr. Kezelis made.  Granted, on the surface this allegation sounds pretty gross, but it is nowhere near as bad as Mr. Kezelis stated.  My bet is that the findings of fact in the lawsuit will show that the ice was in sealed containers AND that the trucks were cleaned prior to transporting the ice.

2.  This is what Mr. Kezelis said:

&quot;A cargo plane carrying pallets of of US currency landed in Baghdad, and promptly fell off the proverbial radar screen. The billions of dollars sent secretly to Iraq went missing with no investigation or comment by our MSM.&quot;

Now, the rest of the story.  First, this was reported heavily back in 2003 and 2004.  I remember it distinctly.

Second, Mr. Kezelis allows you to conclude that the money was the property of the US.  Actually, according to a lengthy Vanity Fair article, the $12 billion was the property of the Iraqi government, representing money frozen in US bank accounts at the start of the war and oil revenues which had been turned over to the US as trustee.  Why do we give a rat&#039;s ass what the Iraqis did with their own money.  Granted there was involvement by the CPA, but basically the Iraqis blew their own wad of cash.

What I am pointing out is that telling these big lies over and over again has made them part of the mainstream.  People believe them without questioning them.  I leave it to others here to look into some of the other allegations Mr. Kezelis has stated as fact.

One that is fraught with possiblities is the following:

&quot;Is it any surprise that a more complex, more devastating, and far-reaching story like the firing of US Attorneys for political reasons, never made it into the news? Or the related political arrest, judicial abuse, and eventual imprisonment of Alabama Gov. Siegelman?&quot;

How can anyone say with a straight face, and how can any reader swallow, such utter crap?  Both of those were well covered at the time.  YCLIU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What liberal media?  This should be more accurately headlined as what irresponsible media crap.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take two of the assertions of truth made by Mr. Kezelis:</p>
<p>1.  &#8220;Even worse, their quality control has resulted in US troops . . .  drinking bad water (The ice they used to store corpses was used in drinks served to US troops) . . ..&#8221;</p>
<p>The reality is that last month a former KBR employee filed a class action lawsuit that alleged that:</p>
<p>&#8220;The lawsuit also accuses KBR of shipping ice in mortuary trucks that &#8220;still had traces of body fluids and putrefied remains in them when they were loaded with ice. This ice was served to U.S. forces.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>One should note the difference between the allegation and the flat assertion that Mr. Kezelis made.  Granted, on the surface this allegation sounds pretty gross, but it is nowhere near as bad as Mr. Kezelis stated.  My bet is that the findings of fact in the lawsuit will show that the ice was in sealed containers AND that the trucks were cleaned prior to transporting the ice.</p>
<p>2.  This is what Mr. Kezelis said:</p>
<p>&#8220;A cargo plane carrying pallets of of US currency landed in Baghdad, and promptly fell off the proverbial radar screen. The billions of dollars sent secretly to Iraq went missing with no investigation or comment by our MSM.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, the rest of the story.  First, this was reported heavily back in 2003 and 2004.  I remember it distinctly.</p>
<p>Second, Mr. Kezelis allows you to conclude that the money was the property of the US.  Actually, according to a lengthy Vanity Fair article, the $12 billion was the property of the Iraqi government, representing money frozen in US bank accounts at the start of the war and oil revenues which had been turned over to the US as trustee.  Why do we give a rat&#8217;s ass what the Iraqis did with their own money.  Granted there was involvement by the CPA, but basically the Iraqis blew their own wad of cash.</p>
<p>What I am pointing out is that telling these big lies over and over again has made them part of the mainstream.  People believe them without questioning them.  I leave it to others here to look into some of the other allegations Mr. Kezelis has stated as fact.</p>
<p>One that is fraught with possiblities is the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;Is it any surprise that a more complex, more devastating, and far-reaching story like the firing of US Attorneys for political reasons, never made it into the news? Or the related political arrest, judicial abuse, and eventual imprisonment of Alabama Gov. Siegelman?&#8221;</p>
<p>How can anyone say with a straight face, and how can any reader swallow, such utter crap?  Both of those were well covered at the time.  YCLIU</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRanter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

Seems to me that the backbone of MSM is driven by sorted corporations who aren&#039;t related to journalism and who seem to believe that hard news is, or should be, entertainment.  Apparently the idea is that entertainment gains more advertising dollars than hard news.  

In the end, it&#039;s all about ad money rather than informing and educating the consumers about local, state, and world events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>Seems to me that the backbone of MSM is driven by sorted corporations who aren&#8217;t related to journalism and who seem to believe that hard news is, or should be, entertainment.  Apparently the idea is that entertainment gains more advertising dollars than hard news.  </p>
<p>In the end, it&#8217;s all about ad money rather than informing and educating the consumers about local, state, and world events.</p>
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		<title>By: Flapsaddle</title>
		<link>http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/13708/comment-page-1#comment-44973</link>
		<dc:creator>Flapsaddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Long sigh!..........) How many times must I say this: &quot;News&quot; is a product manufactured and targeted to a specific audience. Most so-called &quot;news&quot; contains a core of truth, plus whatever fillers, additives, artificial colors and artificial flavors the manufacturers deem useful in selling it to the selected audience.

Liberal media? Sure, it&#039;s out there, selling its own carefully-spun version of &quot;truth&quot; to the faithful. Right wing media? Dittoes!

The manufacture of &quot;news&quot; for a targeted demographic closely resembles the position of the two sides in a legal case being tried. Each side takes the same basic [facts &#124; &quot;truth&quot;] and attempts to spin them in a way that influences the jury to favor their client, each looks at the same glass of water, with one side trying to argue that the glass is half full and the other arguing that it is half empty. Same facts, different spin, with each trying to persuade the audience of jurors that their narrative is the &quot;truth&quot;.

Most sincerely,

T. J. Flapsaddle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Long sigh!&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.) How many times must I say this: &#8220;News&#8221; is a product manufactured and targeted to a specific audience. Most so-called &#8220;news&#8221; contains a core of truth, plus whatever fillers, additives, artificial colors and artificial flavors the manufacturers deem useful in selling it to the selected audience.</p>
<p>Liberal media? Sure, it&#8217;s out there, selling its own carefully-spun version of &#8220;truth&#8221; to the faithful. Right wing media? Dittoes!</p>
<p>The manufacture of &#8220;news&#8221; for a targeted demographic closely resembles the position of the two sides in a legal case being tried. Each side takes the same basic [facts | "truth"] and attempts to spin them in a way that influences the jury to favor their client, each looks at the same glass of water, with one side trying to argue that the glass is half full and the other arguing that it is half empty. Same facts, different spin, with each trying to persuade the audience of jurors that their narrative is the &#8220;truth&#8221;.</p>
<p>Most sincerely,</p>
<p>T. J. Flapsaddle</p>
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		<title>By: tropicaltaco</title>
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		<description>T.J.F. You make it sound so innocent, I think not. About Liberal Media, I am sure there is some truth to what you say but I have noticed a few outlets that give the other view or the news as is and allow you to judge for your self, Link TV (linktv.org) and Free Speech T.V.
 I have lived in other countries and heard the news from many sources and can only shake my head when I hear how MSN, Fox and the likes reporting or better said lack of reporting on what is going on in the Middle East, and what the Israelis are doing. Who do we fault for the lack of knowledge we Americans have about the massive crowds and Israeli citizens demonstrations within Israel against the invasion and occupation.
Part of the problem is that 87% of the population formulate their belief structure on other peoples ideas, only 13% formulate their beliefs on logic and evaluation.
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/events/1231029668?ver=Sun%2C%2004%20Jan%202009%2002%3A41%3A21%20%2B0530
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1230937462
American people are the best entertained and least informed people on the face of the earth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T.J.F. You make it sound so innocent, I think not. About Liberal Media, I am sure there is some truth to what you say but I have noticed a few outlets that give the other view or the news as is and allow you to judge for your self, Link TV (linktv.org) and Free Speech T.V.<br />
 I have lived in other countries and heard the news from many sources and can only shake my head when I hear how MSN, Fox and the likes reporting or better said lack of reporting on what is going on in the Middle East, and what the Israelis are doing. Who do we fault for the lack of knowledge we Americans have about the massive crowds and Israeli citizens demonstrations within Israel against the invasion and occupation.<br />
Part of the problem is that 87% of the population formulate their belief structure on other peoples ideas, only 13% formulate their beliefs on logic and evaluation.<br />
<a href="http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/events/1231029668?ver=Sun%2C%2004%20Jan%202009%2002%3A41%3A21%20%2B0530" rel="nofollow">http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/events/1231029668?ver=Sun%2C%2004%20Jan%202009%2002%3A41%3A21%20%2B0530</a><br />
<a href="http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1230937462" rel="nofollow">http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1230937462</a><br />
American people are the best entertained and least informed people on the face of the earth.<br />
Robert F. Kennedy</p>
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		<title>By: spartacus</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The so-called &#039;liberal media is a bogeyman created by rightwingers to give their followers a reason not to believe their own ears and even facts when confronted by them: how many times have you seen some Bush automaton absolutely REFUSE to believe reality even when confronted by facts and figures?  It&#039;s like they live in some sort of suspended reality: the &#039;LIBERAL MSM&#039; excuse gives them a reason to tune out and disbelieve their own eyes and ears. What&#039;s really funny is that the actual owners of the MSM are giant corporattions: Disney owns ABC; General Electric owns NBC; and so on.  There  are only about a dozen companies that own EVERY SINGLE NEWSPAPER, RADIO, AND TV outlet in this country as opposed to hundreds during the Reagan era.  MSM IS BIG BUSINESS, and big business is no friend of the Democrats.  Disney, Eisner et al gave money to the Republicans; check the others and you&#039;ll find the same thing.

When I was my son&#039;s age, the sins of this administration would never have gone unreported as they have been during the last 8 years.  Have Bush&#039;s &#039;midnight regulations&#039; made the news?  How many people know about the Downing Street Memo?  If you want to find out what&#039;s going on in this country, often you have to read the headlines overseas.  Our news reporters would rather report gossip, Hollywood nonsense, and even stories from halfway across the country than real news.  None of that happened 30 years ago.  Corporations should not be allowed to own news outlets: they simply use them to hide what they don&#039;t want the public to hear, or worse, to promote what they want the public to believe.  If you think the corporate media isn&#039;t promoting a point of view by omitting news stories involving things like the corruption of this administration, think again.  Richard Nixon would never have gotten away with one tenth of what George Bush has.

Until people wise up and realize what isn&#039;t being reported and how CONSERVATIVE that is, the MSM bogeyman will continue to be a rallying cry and useful myth for those who simply don&#039;t want to push a conservative agenda. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The so-called &#8216;liberal media is a bogeyman created by rightwingers to give their followers a reason not to believe their own ears and even facts when confronted by them: how many times have you seen some Bush automaton absolutely REFUSE to believe reality even when confronted by facts and figures?  It&#8217;s like they live in some sort of suspended reality: the &#8216;LIBERAL MSM&#8217; excuse gives them a reason to tune out and disbelieve their own eyes and ears. What&#8217;s really funny is that the actual owners of the MSM are giant corporattions: Disney owns ABC; General Electric owns NBC; and so on.  There  are only about a dozen companies that own EVERY SINGLE NEWSPAPER, RADIO, AND TV outlet in this country as opposed to hundreds during the Reagan era.  MSM IS BIG BUSINESS, and big business is no friend of the Democrats.  Disney, Eisner et al gave money to the Republicans; check the others and you&#8217;ll find the same thing.</p>
<p>When I was my son&#8217;s age, the sins of this administration would never have gone unreported as they have been during the last 8 years.  Have Bush&#8217;s &#8216;midnight regulations&#8217; made the news?  How many people know about the Downing Street Memo?  If you want to find out what&#8217;s going on in this country, often you have to read the headlines overseas.  Our news reporters would rather report gossip, Hollywood nonsense, and even stories from halfway across the country than real news.  None of that happened 30 years ago.  Corporations should not be allowed to own news outlets: they simply use them to hide what they don&#8217;t want the public to hear, or worse, to promote what they want the public to believe.  If you think the corporate media isn&#8217;t promoting a point of view by omitting news stories involving things like the corruption of this administration, think again.  Richard Nixon would never have gotten away with one tenth of what George Bush has.</p>
<p>Until people wise up and realize what isn&#8217;t being reported and how CONSERVATIVE that is, the MSM bogeyman will continue to be a rallying cry and useful myth for those who simply don&#8217;t want to push a conservative agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoosier_CowBoy</title>
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		<description>I have a more realistic appraisal of the MSMs bias. Liberal or conservative is just a deception.

The Media is designed solely to try to sell  average Americans a lot of overpriced and shoddy crap that they would be a lot better of without.

Selling that crap is the driving engine of the economy, although as of late, that engine has been backfiring. It is thought in most economic circles that if America stops pissing away money on that crap, the entire system will collapse.

That crap ranges from beer to cars, from politics to religion, from healthcare to McMansions.

...and we really can&#039;t afford to buy it anymore.

Save your money and turn off the MSM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a more realistic appraisal of the MSMs bias. Liberal or conservative is just a deception.</p>
<p>The Media is designed solely to try to sell  average Americans a lot of overpriced and shoddy crap that they would be a lot better of without.</p>
<p>Selling that crap is the driving engine of the economy, although as of late, that engine has been backfiring. It is thought in most economic circles that if America stops pissing away money on that crap, the entire system will collapse.</p>
<p>That crap ranges from beer to cars, from politics to religion, from healthcare to McMansions.</p>
<p>&#8230;and we really can&#8217;t afford to buy it anymore.</p>
<p>Save your money and turn off the MSM.</p>
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		<title>By: Baal</title>
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		<description>Sorry, but the MSM IS NOT LIBERAL.....

One only has to research the major 8 owners of our media outlets and look @ who they donated to during the last few elections to have a REAL clue....

They are pretty much split right down the middle....  Disney donates a lil more Dem, Time-Warner donates a lil more GOP and on it goes....

and NOBODY is going to convince me that Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon Scaife are Libruls....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but the MSM IS NOT LIBERAL&#8230;..</p>
<p>One only has to research the major 8 owners of our media outlets and look @ who they donated to during the last few elections to have a REAL clue&#8230;.</p>
<p>They are pretty much split right down the middle&#8230;.  Disney donates a lil more Dem, Time-Warner donates a lil more GOP and on it goes&#8230;.</p>
<p>and NOBODY is going to convince me that Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon Scaife are Libruls&#8230;.</p>
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