Fool me once ……

It is now clear that the Republicans are reverting to the strategy that sold GW Bush to America in selling the sow’s ear candidacy of McCain and Palin. It doesn’t matter what they know, what policies they may or may not have, what we are being sold once again is the same “we will stand up to ‘them’ and fight for you” nonsense. Never mind that the public knows their last purchase of this sow’s ear left them broke, despised around the world, and in worse shape than before the Clinton years.

Nothing seems to matter as long as you can convince Americans that your candidate is brave, sharp tongued, “straight talking” and eager to knock the “insiders” on their rears. It doesn’t even matter that the facts clearly demonstrate that the candidate has none of those attributes. If you just find the one piece of the puzzle that people grab onto, the rest sells itself.

For McCain, he was on his way to an embarrassing defeat when his handlers plucked “scrappy” Sarah Palin out of obscurity and the mantle of the “everyman” found its latest incarnation. We all know what has followed as Democrats scramble to find out what hit them.

Lets be clear, there is no logic to this. There are no facts that can be presented either to show that Palin is not even close to the persona claimed for her nor that she is just the kind of personality Gov. Bush presented in his first campaign. In fact, that is her appeal and McCain can just ride on her skirts lying through his teeth about his positions, her experience, and anything else he can find to boost his chances.

It is truly a disgusting turn in the campaign, not because Obama’s lead has evaporated, not even that McCain could get elected despite himself. It is stomach churning to watch the public fall for this ploy yet again. The same people who claim to think the country is going in the wrong direction by overwhelming margins; the same people who think GW Bush is a terrible president are now signing on for 4 more years of the exact same disastrous combination of inexperience, lying and false pretenses.

I despair for the ability of Americans to ever rise above the desire to have a president who is “like one of us” and find enough humility to actually elect someone who might know more than they do about anything. We keep asking for change and then fall for the exact same hustle that landed us in the present quandary.

Worst of all, we are even told straight to our face that issues don’t matter, that even facts are irrelevant. All that matters are all those things that don’t matter anywhere except in the minds of people who just don’t want to bother struggling with knowledge, issues or all those difficult things of government. They just want someone to solve things so they can go back to American Idol.

Bush was that guy in 2000 and now they have Sarah Palin and her running mate, whatshisname. Yeah, they say they are “outsiders,” that they will “change the way things are done” and apparently sprinkle pixy dust as needed on all the problems of the day. Of course they will be tough doing so. And maybe their stupidity will start a few more wars, but hey, we are Americans and we deserve to rule the world.

Am I elitist? You are damned right I am. I am an elitist when it comes to my health care. I am an elitist when it comes to things that rely on knowledge and experience. And I most certainly do not want someone holding the highest offices in this country to be just like those who don’t know their rear ends from a hole in the ground.

The Know Nothing Party rises once again.

44 Responses to "Fool me once ……"

  1. shelley  September 14, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Wow, I never thought someone like me.. a non-college-educated, Pontiac-driving, cheap-bourbon-swilling, working-class single-mom… would ever be in the elitist class, but I guess I am! Add me to the list of people who think questioning the education and experience of our leaders is a REQUIREMENT, not an attack.

  2. DejaVuAllOver  September 14, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    It’s hard not to be elitist when we live in a country of utter morons.

  3. Harve3  September 14, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Excuse me, but aren’t these “utter morons” the folks you’re expecting to vote the Hon Barack Hussein Obama [D-IL] into office in Nov’08?

    Hill Country resident

  4. gazelle1929  September 14, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Your lack of civility is unbecoming. Please refrain from the ad hominem nastiness.

  5. MainstreamExtremist  September 15, 2008 at 8:32 am

    My biggest question, perhaps academic, is: What happened to McCain?

    I mean, I can understand the guy wanting to win. I don’t fault him for that.

    But what must have happened for him to become everything he loathed about Bush’s campaign 2000?

    McCain is now kowtowing to those he called the “agents of intolerance” – and re-igniting the culture wars – with his Palin pick.

    Which, by the way, would seem to undercut his expectation of experience in the allegedly ever-so-important war on terror.

    And don’t even get more started on Bush’s tax cuts and offshore drilling – more examples of McCain remaking himself into Bush.

    And then there are the despicable Rove tactics he has embraced – with all its dirt and grime – unashamedly up for display in his ads.

    I just don’t get it. If McCain is willing to stoop this far to win, is there any bottom to it were he to win the WH? I fear not.

  6. Klaus Hergeschimmer  September 15, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Just watch, with D-Crappers of the likes of Traitors like Nancy ‘No More Blank Checks For Bush’ Fancy Pants Pelosi & D-Crapper Traitors like Hairy Reed, Sarah Palin will wipe her Keester with them knowing what Spineless little wimps they are.

    When Joe Biden debates Palin, he will be apologetic for being pro-choice, making a proviso that he is personally against abortion and let Palin walk all over him; and that is the problem with Democrats, they apologize for being progressive if not outright hide their colors because they are Spineless Jellyfish…that is the problem, they don’t stand for anything, they’ll sell their mother into prostitution as ‘tactical retreat’ so they’re sure to get their pink keesters back in ‘the dome’. They helped Mukasey sail into his job, a guy who ‘dosen’t know’ if waterboarding is torture.

    They have proven this over and over since they backpedaled after they made some gains in the house, but even before, the D-Crappers tip toed through the tulips.

    Sir Obama of Camelot votes for retro-active immunity for
    telecoms saying he did it as a ‘compromise’….-Bull-Fu*#ing Krap -that is capitulation.

    Screw the D-Crappers, I do not reward failure, and mark my words, the Neo-Cons will manufacture another 9/11 and the D-Crappers will scurry for cover like the scared of its own shadow cockroaches they are.

    VOTE NADER

    NO MORE DEMOCRAPPERS

    NO MORE PANTS SUIT WENCHES

  7. Phil Hoskins  September 15, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    The comments on this commentary will be closed down if those posting cannot keep it civil.

    No more name calling — at all. That does nothing to further the disucssion.

    Phil Hoskins

  8. rjf7r  September 15, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Unfortunately, it seems that a majority of Americans would like to believe the fantasy that it doesn’t take anything more than the right attitude and an identification with “the common person” to run and defend this nation.

    We will get what a majority of us deserve.

  9. adamrussell  September 15, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    It takes honorable actions to build and preserve an honorable America. You cannot build a great America based on lies and deceit.

  10. Phil Hoskins  September 15, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    THIS IS MY LAST WARNING.

    I HAVE DELETED TWO POSTS AND WILL DELETE MORE OR CLOSE THE COMMENTS FUNCTION IF YOU KEEP ATTACKING ONE ANOTHER.

    STICK TO THE ISSUES.

    Phil Hoskins

  11. sherry  September 15, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Regardless of party, we have allowed the disaster that has become us. We choose a party as if it were a team sport. A blood sport at that.
    Obama is the great hope and when he fails to live up to his promises, excuses are made. He is the man. It’s ok if he breaks a promise or two. Like FISA. Telecom immunity. The Patriot Act. War funding.
    And people actually believe there are legitimate differences between Obama and McCain.
    People complain McCain wants to impose a draft. So does OBama, he just uses different wording.
    The list goes on and on. If you want change, the key is not the elected official, it’s YOU

  12. griff  September 15, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. The Democrats fall in line just as easily and brainlessly as the Republicans.

  13. colocritic  September 15, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    With the mess the Bush/Cheney group have accomplshed the last eight years be forewarned that the McCain/Palin pair could do us even worse, Read this article by Arianna in her post today. This is frightening stuff, if the repubs get back into the W.H. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

    Here is a portion of the article:

    Arianna Huffington: The Palin Doctrine: Why the Neocons Are So Excited

    Sarah Palin may not have known what the Bush Doctrine was, but we’re getting a pretty good idea of what the Palin Doctrine is. According to London’s Daily Telegraph, the architects of the Palin Doctrine are a group of people who have been singularly wrong about virtually everything in the last decade — the neocons, who have been briefing Palin for weeks. She’s perfect for the neocons: likeable on the outside, a blank slate on the inside.

    colocritic

  14. Klaus Hergeschimmer  September 15, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    No, I’m sorry, I don’t buy the lesser of two evil rationales as a reason to vote Democratic.

    On the eve of the vote for giving Bush his war resolution, Senator Robert Byrd cited on the senate floor in front of Hillary the cooked evidence coming out of Dougy Feith’s basment room in the Pentagon, yet Hilary willingly disavowed it as did all the other Jellyfishcrats -opps, I mean Democrats and made Shrub’s reign of error possible, and we all know how that went.

    I do consider Hilary a Traitor and if that’s name calling then I will roast in Hell.

    The Dems will always fall for Neo-Con Neo-McCarthyist scare threats for not voting for manufactured 9/11 war resolutions, just like spineless
    opposition parties gave Dolf the enabling act in 33′.

  15. Janice  September 15, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    I agree with you – We the People are allowing this fiasco to continue. We allow – and feed into – the partisan politics, we give the media permission to manipulate the national discussion, we fail to hold the candidates accountable to keep to the issues, we have allowed the corporate fleecing of our country by ignoring the process..

    We the people have allowed this to happen through our apathy – and we can turn it around. However, it will take a real effort.

  16. JudyB  September 16, 2008 at 2:38 am

    Hillary stood before a nearly empty Senate chambers and said…”The authorization to use force has run its course, and it is time to reverse the failed policies of President Bush and to end this war as soon as possible….If the president will not bring himself to accept reality, it is time for Congress to bring reality to him.” 5/07

    I wish that many things were different in this country, namely that Bush and Crew were never appointed to the White House. Bush is to blame for this war..he lied to congress, to the nation and to the world…and for what?…for oil thats what!

    ***McCain remains as steadfast and gungho in his support of Bush’ bogus war as he was in 2002. This is note-worthy only in as much as it may be the only thing he hasn’t change his mind about!

    I was not fooled, I, as well as the rest of the world was lied to and have continued to be lied to hundreds of times by this immoral administration..trust me, I will not be voting for more of the same!

  17. Klaus Hergeschimmer  September 16, 2008 at 4:25 am

    Come on Judy, Congress lied to itself, get that strait right from the start. There was was plenty of evidence that this was a sham, but the Demochickens except for Barbara Lee, the Oakland Democrat who is the only House member to vote against the use-of-force resolution in advance of the Iraq war didn’t fall for it.

    The Democrats weren’t fooled Judy, they drank the Kool Aid willingly because they wanted to be re-elected, not in the best interest of the country, and they knew they were being lied to; the Rich Corninthian leather backed
    seats at the ‘Dome’ was the only Democrapic priority.

    As one poster has stated in these posts the Democrats are just as willing as the Republikaners to be led around by the nose.

    Hillary is a traitor to willingly let herself be led by the nose and I will never look at pants suits in the same way ever again.

    As a recovering Democrat I will not subscribe to this silly BS that “Oh, the Democrats were fooled” -the Democrapic party are Scum (except for Dennis Kucinich & Barbara Lee).

  18. Timr  September 16, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    His answer, when called out on the lying ads was;”Well, if Obama had agreed to weekly town hall meetings, this would not have happened” So is he delusional or has he just sold his soul to the Rove group because he wants so desperately to win that he will do or say anything at all.
    BTW, the MSM is finally starting to call him on his lies, and they are actually calling them “lies” rather than gaffes or mistakes.

  19. Timr  September 16, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    It was not only the dems who were lied to. According to Dick Armey(remember him? a republician who was in the leadership in 2003?) He was against the war in Iraq and planned to vote against it. Cheney called him into his hideaway office in the congressional office building and told him a couple of outright baldfaced lies. 1-Saddam had the ability to not only make nukes but to miniaturize nukes(suitcase nukes-which really only exist in movies, but are really good to terrorize congressmen with) 2-that Saddam had extremely close ties with alQaeda and OBL and would give said pocket nukes to him to use against the west-remember, they hate us for our ‘freedoms’-Armey went on the floor of the house to cast his vote for the war, he was crying when he did it. Now, he is really really poed at Cheney because Cheney flat out lied to him.(this accoeding to an interview with an author of a book that will be coming out this week. See TDS web page to watch the interview

  20. Timr  September 16, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Don’t leave out the Dem senator from Wi, Fiengold

  21. susanai  September 16, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    susanai
    As Jay Leno would put it – “SHUT UP”!

  22. VietnamVet  September 16, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    I am nothing short of stunned that the American voters even consider McCain as a solution to America’s problems. This man is nothing more than Bush again! He has even said he has voted for Bush initiatives 95% of the time. Given that, what should we expect? Change? Yeah, give me a break folks. Wake the hell up America!

  23. Lillibet  September 14, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    I too am elitist!

    And proud of it.

    I don’t want a bag checker at the airport in charge of Defense Security codes.

    I don’t want, and this nation shall surely be harmed by, someone whose entire foreign policy experience can be summed up as, “What’s the Bush Doctrine?”

    We may get the government we vote for, though even that is in question after the Supreme’s one vote coup-of-a win of 2000, and the Diebold Victory of 2004. We haven’t had the government we need or require in this ever smaller world.

    What we are getting is perverse, reverse elitism, and that is more damaging than any class war. It is ANTI-Elitism. It opens the door to advisers running the country, because the Potemkins behind the desk are unqualified to run a small corporation, let alone, a world power.

    Do you really want your plumber doing vascular surgery on you? It is, after all, just another form of plumbing.

    Do you want someone who equates a “rest stop” at Shannon Airport, claiming that as a visit to the country where she learned about its people, culture and ideals?

    Surely not, or we might take the visit to any international area of any airport as an experience equivalent to intense study of international law during a fellowship at the UN, or years of knowledge gleaned in post graduate study of law and experience in direct foreign relations missions.

    Since when does the politics of the personal, or the shout of “unfair” when actual qualifications are questioned and vetting takes place, result in the best leadership this nation can produce?

    If Americans had two functioning brain cells operating at the same instant, the “looks”, or false marketing would be insulting, not to mention, unimportant. Personally I want a president that is smarter than I am. I want a president who can calmly analyze the facts, understand policy in terms of historical and current geopolitical processes, and then reach a reasoned and wise decision, not political ideology alone.

    We need a president with real wisdom, not one that is led by nose ring or hoop earring, or by those with personal agendas that are contrary to the best interests of the nation and the world.

    But then again, I am elitist. And no matter how much I pay my plumber, he’ll never perform that arterial blockage removal surgery on anyone I know and love.

    And, I don’t like being subjected to the idiocy of those that only seek a president they’d like to go to a moose-grill with them. Give me an elitist. Then have that elitist continue to think independently, with intellectual prowess and foresight, but not a partisan robot.

    We deserve better. Much better. The painful truth is that we might not get it. Which means, those in charge really don’t get it, and should never be close to being in charge. Ever.

    Lillibet

  24. Malibu  September 14, 2008 at 9:35 am

    Bravo Mr. Hoskins! You nailed it straight on!

    Malcolm

  25. gazelle1929  September 14, 2008 at 10:12 am

    What I want to know is why the Republican ticket to nowhere has not been asked to explain some of their “positions.” We know where they lie on the missionary position, but the one that gets me is this repeated assurance: No more pork barrel legislation.

    What new superpower do they think they possess that will allow them to stop pork barrel legislation? So long as legislation comes in bundles, they will have to accept what they get from Capitol Hill or end up with massive gridlock as they veto bill after bill.

    Even if Palin and her running mate are elected, it’s pretty certain they will have a pretty substantial Democrat majority in both houses, at least in my opinion. Perhaps not enough to override vetoes, but substantial nonetheless.

    What is going to happen when Palin’s president vetoes a massive spending bill because it contains pork only to have substantially the same bill passed yet again with minor changes?

    I personally thought the line-item veto attempt back in the Clinton Administration was a good start. And, while it may have been unconstitutional, there are ways around that without a Constitutional amendment.

    If both the House and the Senate instituted rules requiring the severability of large bills to eliminate the extraneous pork from spending bills and other omnibus legislation, and required that those be placed in separate bills, that could go a long way towards eliminating pork. After all, it is “only” a rule of the Senate that a super-majority is required to effect cloture. Certainly enough voters could impress upon the Congress their desire for a rule requiring severability.

    Perhaps something along these lines:

    If a member moves to sever one portion of a bill from another, such motion must be defeated by a super-majority of sixty Senators or by at least 60 percent of House members present and voting, whichever is applicable.

    This would assist either house of Congress in keeping together those portions of a bill which should be kept together while forcing their attention (and the attention of the public) on attempts to include pork projects in a bill.

    Similarly, the two houses could require that amendments to bills to add spending of an extraneous nature would have to be approved by a super-majority.

  26. Janice  September 14, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Well said.. You nailed it – and the majority of the American public may get what it deserves. Now, what about the rest of us?

    If you tell the truth you don’t have to remember anything.
    Mark Twain

  27. adamrussell  September 14, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    Americans have 4 year amnesia. Whenever it comes to elections we forget how devious and corrupt the republican party is. I think the problem is that we would dearly love to think that we have a choice between two rival political parties that just have opposing philosophies. But the reality is that the republican party has a corrupt culture. As each candidate is supported and dependent on that culture, he cannot be clean of it. Reagan is famous for saying “The 11th commandment is that thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.” Republicans are proud of the memory of Reagan and believe this saying is a good thing. But if you think about it, what it really means is “If you see another republican doing wrong, just shut up about it. Party before honor”. Deep down they prize loyalty above honor and above honesty. If there is any choice between telling the truth or supporting the party, the truth loses.

    The philosopy that truth has no value above loyalty is an evil temptation, even for democrats. Let us pray to God “lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil”.

  28. susanai  September 16, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    susanai
    AMEN to that.

  29. ekaton  September 14, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Honor among thieves, that would be.

    — Kent Shaw

  30. Harve3  September 14, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Am I elitist? You are damned right I am. I am an elitist when it comes to my health care. I am an elitist when it comes to things that rely on knowledge and experience. And I most certainly do not want someone holding the highest offices in this country to be just like those who don’t know their rear ends from a hole in the ground.

    The Know Nothing Party rises once again.

    A truly heroic effort Mr Hoskins which included not one allusion to “Nazi” or “Goebbels”, but that reference to the “Know Nothing Party” may send many readers scrambling to their Wiki. Otherwise, keep up the good work!

    Hill Country resident

  31. Ardie  September 14, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    In Bob Woodward’s latest book, The War Within, the voter learns what he got by electing Bush: a a hands off President who runs away from problems rather than facing them.

    The voter is going to get more of the same–if not worse–with McCain and Palin, both whom would rather politicize the problem than face it finding a real solution that is unfailing and salubrious.

  32. Harve3  September 14, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    In Bob Woodward’s latest book, The War Within, the voter learns what he got by electing Bush: a a hands off President who runs away from problems rather than facing them.

    Mr Robert Woodward isn’t a reporter, an executive or a historian; rather he is a novelist or some say a fabulist whom you believe at your own risk. He doesn’t write the truth, but just what people tell him or maybe what he thinks they told him?

    Hill Country resident

  33. Timr  September 14, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Re why the repigs are doing so good. I can say it in just one word-with lots of words to explain that one word of course-AUTHORITARIANISM. It comes in 3 flavors. The Leader-AL, the Follower-AF and the Leader/Follower-ALF. Studies in the dozens, some multigenerational, by social scientists have been done in the years following WWII as america struggled to understand what made a formerly law abiding nation-Germany-into the fanatical followers of Hitler and Facism. What they found out can be found by googling AUTHORITARIAN or AUTHORITARIANISM, there are too many studies for me to provide links to. What it all boils down to, and I have been harping on this for about 4 years, is that the AF, a rigid thinker is easily led by a AL or an ALF and who is unable to think of things that do not fit exactly into his or her worldview. Whatever the AL or ALF says will instantly become integrated into his worldview, even if it is known to be a lie-it will be ignored-or if it is a direct contradiction of whatever that AL or ALF said an hour ago. Example. Shawn Hannidy is an ALF, someone who can change his views seamlessly if someone who is perceived by him to be a stronger ALF or who is an AL says something that contradicts what he just said or asked(his interview with Bolton is a good example). All right wing radio talk show hosts fall into the catagory of ALF in that they preach the current AL orthodoxy. The US currently has, including the “low information voter” or “sheeple”, about a 50-50 balance between the AUTHORITARIAN voters and the free thinkers, with the AUTHORITARIANS gaining ground with each generation. Evangelicals are an excellent source of Authoritarianism as they are more likely to either home school their children or send them to Evangelical schools where, unlike in public schools, they can be indoctrinated into the same AF as their parents. Germany and Hitler had the Hitler Youth where political indoctrination took place. Currently home schooling/Evangelical church schools fulfill the same function. Political indoctrination. Hatred of Science-which violates the rigid thinking and passive acceptance of the creation orthodoxy. It all starts at the School Board level where the ALs have discovered that people generally do not vote in public school elections. This enables them to insert the ALF into the public school system where they can push and insist on teaching creationism or intelligent design on an equal basis with Science-or as they preach, Darwinism.
    I have been retired for many years and have been able to read/study the various studies about Authoritarians and how they gestate from generation to generation. The numbers are increasing every year and more colleges are formed to preach the orthodox view that does not allow dissent. Either the Republician party has co-opted the Authoritarians or the Authoritarians have co-opted the republician party, or perhaps the rigid thinking passive AF grew out of the complexity of todays society, Darwinian Evolution one might say.
    Whatever the cause, they are strengthing. gwb was the first ALF to be elected, I believe that the attempt to elect McCain is the second. While the ALF is not the top of the Authoritarian ladder, they fulfill the function of leader of the people while the people who are more than willing to exploit the current Authoritarian bent of the country attempt to retain power by being the power brokers behind the scene. I also believe that these people-whom I would characterize as being part of the eclectic group currently known as the New American Century Neocons who at this point in time encompass Big Energy, Big Arms, Big Media and Big Religion. The untimate aims of both groups are currently the same. The neocons wish to, as they say, “project american power” all over the world, the Authoritarians desire the same tho for different reasons. I predict, as I have predicted for the last 4 years, that within 20-50 years the US as it currently exists, a Republic with a Constitution, will no longer exist. Instead we will become a theocratic militaristic dictatorship. I can see no other future with the generational increase of the Authoritarian ranks. A third world country-due to the hatred of science(they will happily use science, but will be unable to come up with new ideas because of the rigid orthodxy that the children will be brought up in)with a first world military bent on increasing the holy american empire. We will become wage/debt slaves, serfs in other words, there to serve the ALs and the ALFs. Scoff if you wish. Call me paranoid. I don’t care. All I ask is that you Google AUTHORITARIANISM and become familiar with it, because they will be the ones running the country within a very few short years because they will become the majority.

  34. Ladywolf55  September 15, 2008 at 11:51 am

    You’re dead wrong about home schooling being the culprit. Most home schooled children these days are not in the religious fanatic category. Their parents are not religious fanatics. They are being home-schooled because their parents see PUBLIC schooled children being indoctrinated to accept fascism, not fight it. So I would suggest you re-think your position.

  35. Flapsaddle  September 15, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    An excellent point!

    Few seem to realize that our public education system is the product of the so-called “progressives” of the late 19th-early 20th century, that it was based on the Prussian model, and it was intended to crank out well-behaved little cogs for the engine of the state and the great corporations.

    Private schooling and home schooling began well before the era of the so-called “religious right”. Secular people try to avoid the public system because of its low academic standards, and people of faith avoid it because they believe it assaults their right to raise their children in their own faith.

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  36. Timr  September 15, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    No, I believe what I said about MOST homeschooling being a breeding ground for the AL,AF and ALF. My reasoning is that the evangelicals have moved into this in a very big way. One of the most religiously orthodox groups claims that they have several million homeschooled students learning from their materails and web pages. Granted, the current american education system was set up to produce people who had some education so that they could function in the new industrial age where the peasent farmer could not function due to the lack of educational skills. That this model still continues shows an utter lack of the school system to adjust to the post industrial age. But I contend that the infusion of the ALF into positions on local school boards and in state school boards can change the tenor of the criteria actually taught in public schools. Textbooks that give equal time to “intelligent design” or “creationism” along with science-modern biology is founded on theDarwinism theory. The fact that Evangelicals totally misunderstand what is ment by a “Scientific Theory” and believe that the earth is only 5000 years old, and ascribe to the “Fred Flintstone” theory of history is the problem. I agree that public schools teach to the group understanding and mastering a subject rather than teaching the individual. The current nation wide HS drop out rate of 30% shows that the current model of education is false. However with the university stranglehold on teachers-teachers must have graduated from the “education” dept in college and do not necessairly have a major in the subject that they teach. I grant most of what you say about public schools teaching to a 19th century model to make workers in an industrial society, but fascism? That I doubt. What I do ee is schools teaching mediocrity rather than excellence, which accounts for much of the 30% drop out rate. I also see the system continue to place spanish speaking students in an inferior classroom experience by insisting that they do not learn mainstream english, thus preventing them from getting anything other than low paying labor jobs. Ca. did finally go to total english immersion classes for foreign students. But other states continue to insist that spanish speaking students can not succeed in school if forced to learn english. I am a second generation american. My grandparents emigrated to america from Norway in the early 1900’s. My grandparents were about 10-12 years old and spoke no english. Yet they graduated from HS and went on to university. They were not coddled in school by giving them classes in their native language.One grandparent came from Finland. By the time I was born, my grandparents and aunts and uncles spoke english just like those whose native language was english.
    Back to the point. From what I have observed about the majority of homeschooled, their parents are not qualified to teach them so get lessons and programs thru their church, or send them to a church run school. The rigid thinking that is passed along, and is increasing, could be, IMO, a result of the complexity of modern life and a backlash for those who find themselves unable to function in todays technological society. These people find solice in their religion and the belief that science is wrong while the bible gives out a 5000 year history that satisfies them. Faced with the truth, they will ignore it. Not only that but they wish that the entire country followed their example. That is why I predict that in 20-50 years the US as a constitutional republic will cease to exist. The govt will consist of a theological military fascistic govt, with the people being mere pieces for the oligarchs to move as they please.

  37. Malibu  September 15, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    You are correct Flapsaddle. My wife homeschooled our kids until highschool.

    Malcolm

  38. ekaton  September 15, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    “That is why I predict that in 20-50 years the US as a constitutional republic will cease to exist. The govt will consist of a theological military fascistic govt, with the people being mere pieces for the oligarchs to move as they please.”

    Closer to 20, I think.

    — Kent Shaw

  39. griff  September 15, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    You need to learn how to use paragraphs already, especially when you spout off about education.

  40. griff  September 15, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Closer to right after the next election. Actually, the Federal United States government was dissolved with the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. Subsequent laws such as the Emergency Banking Act of 1933 drove the final nails. What we’ve had since then is quite different, we’ve only been allowed to believe that our country was still in our hands. It is not.

  41. Timr  September 16, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    I would love to, but every time I try, the comment section won’t let me. I only started using a computer about 4 years ago. I have attended numerous classes, but they do not focus on how to answer in comment sections. They also do not focus on how to make hyperlinks.
    I freely admit that I am a computer illiterate. Just because I don’t know how to make a paragraph on this site-I have no trouble on other sites-is no reason to denigrate what I say. If you have a specific complaint, then lets debate it. What have I said that is factually wrong in my rant on Education-which was a reply to a specific question on my main rant, which is about Authoritarians and what they can do to harm(even more that the current system does)the public education system.
    I have 4 children. 1 boy age 31, 2 girls age 28 and 1 girl age 22. They all went thru the public education system. My son and 1 of my twin daughters went to a very large public school, their graduating classes were over 1000. My other 2 daughters went to a very small public school where the Student-Teacher ratio is about 3-1. The older daughters graduating class had 22 people in it. She has owned her own business(without any help from any relatives) since she was 22. She is married and has 2 kids, yet still manages her business-a tavern-and grossed about $500,000 last year.
    My youngest daughter-her graduating class numbered 26. None of the kids had less than a 3.8 GPA-is currently pursuing an advanced college degree at CMU in Michigan. My oldest works at in the IT field after having served 8 years in the US Army. My other daughter works from home transcribing documents for lawyers-she typed 170 words per min on her last test-She worked at EA in their personnel dept until her son was born 3 months ago. I believe that this qualifies me to comment on the state of american education. I have lived in several other countries among them, Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Australia and New Zealand over the last 40 or so years. In each country I have observed a much greater dedication to education than in the US. Some countries have grade school 5.5 or 6 days a week with only 1 month in winter and 1 month in summer off. Homework can take 3-4 hours each night. HS is very competitive and this is where most contries put the children in either a college track or a ‘educated labor’ track-like machinists, plumbers, electricians, auto and truck mechanics. The US in contrast has, IMO, not kept up with technology. While my 2 daughters school required no calculators be used either in class on on tests, my other 2 kids were not only allowed to use calculators in class, but also on tests. What can one learn-other than how to push buttons?

  42. Timr  September 16, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    You could very well be right, the Authoritarians increase more every year. We also have more ‘sheeple’ every year. As long as they are kept fed and have their beer& football(sports in general) and soaps they are satisfied These are the ones that are the targets of the lying political ads. They will vote for whomever they would rather have a beer with. We saw how well that worked 8 years ago. It could happen again this year. Now I am not sayin that if Obama wins all will be sweetness and light. Far from it. The system is in place, no president alone can change it. The most he could do would be to delay the inevitable for a couple of years.

  43. almandine  September 16, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    What can one learn-other than how to push buttons?

    Well, first… the algorithms are the issue, not the adding, subtracting, dividing, etc. If your kids know the formulas, the calc is just a tool.

    Second… if you could just push the “enter” button twice at the end of your thought(s), you could form paragraphs.

    Third… believe what you will about home schooling… but that doesn’t make your opinion truth with the big “T”.

  44. Lillibet  September 16, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Thanks for your comments. You are correct about the AL, ALFs, and so on. It is the authoritarians following the dangerous, because the dangerous, and sometimes pathologically dangerous, are in power. Or act as they do.

    As for paragraphs…you can set the paragraphs apart by returns, or pressing the enter key. Simply separate paragraphs by two returns, not one.

    We are on on a learning curve, and believe me, it took me too big a chunk of forever to figure some of the simplest stuff out, while the complex was relatively easy, from my point of view.

    I hope this is “Problem solved”. Enjoy! Lillibet

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