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  1. Hal Brown

    McCain sleaze factor addition comes from NYTimes OpEd columnist Bob Herbert who added to his reminding those in the MSM who either forgot or a pretending not to know that

    Now, from the hapless but increasingly venomous McCain campaign, comes the slimy Britney Spears and Paris Hilton ad. The two highly sexualized women (both notorious for displaying themselves to the paparazzi while not wearing underwear) are shown briefly and incongruously at the beginning of a commercial critical of Mr. Obama.

    The Republican National Committee targeted Harold Ford with a similarly disgusting ad in 2006 when Mr. Ford, then a congressman, was running a strong race for a U.S. Senate seat in Tennessee. The ad, which the committee described as a parody, showed a scantily clad woman whispering, “Harold, call me.”

    Both ads were foul, poisonous and emanated from the upper reaches of the Republican Party. (What a surprise.) Both were designed to exploit the hostility, anxiety and resentment of the many white Americans who are still freakishly hung up on the idea of black men rising above their station and becoming sexually involved with white women. (emphasis added) Read “Running While Black”

    On Morning Joe today Herbert elaborated on his published comments about the Britney-Paris ad by pointing out the juxtaposition of two phallic symbols in the commercials.
    Read what he said on Morning Joe (MSNBC) and view the segment in Raw Story here.

    As I have noted before, nothing in these ads gets there by accident. Created by experts in sending subliminal messages to those so inclined to perceive them unconsciously, they can be powerful persuaders.

    Those like Bob Herbert who are savvy observers pick up the messages. Nobody else on Morning Joe even noticed the inclusion of the phallic symbols.

    When Herbert pointed it out, except for Pat Buchanan, they seemed to agree there probably was an intentional use of them to engender fear.

  2. Stratocaster

    Is anyone paying any attention to what is going on in the House Judiciary Committee?

  3. TONILEB022109

    ANYONE WHO WOULD VOTE FOR A OLD, RACIST LOSER, IS DESTINED TO MAKE THIS WORLD MORE SCREWED UP THAN IT ALREADY IS. IF OBAMA OR ANY OTHER DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE WOULD HAVE MADE ANY COMMENTS LIKE THE COMMENTS THE OLD MAN HAS MADE, THEN THE MEDIA WOULD BE ALL OVER IT. IT IS VERY SAD THAT THE MEDIA DOES’NT PUT OLD MANS DIRTY DEEDS ALL OVER THE TELEVISION. I CAN’T WAIT UNTIL OBAMA WINS, AND OLD MAN IS LOOKING LIKE THE IDIOT HE IS. HE HATES THE FACT THAT OBAMA HAS A FOLLOWING AND THAT NEW PEOPLE ARE REGISTERING TO VOTE BECAUSE OF HIM. PLAYING DIRTY GOT US 8 YEARS OF G.W., WE REALLY DON’T NEED ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF THIS. OLD MAN IS AND IDIOT, WHO LEFT HIS FIRST WIFE BECAUSE OF AN ACCIDENT THAT LEFT HER DISFIGURED, LOOK AT HIM NOW. GOD DON’T LIKE UGLY, AND HE IS AS UGLY AS IT GETS. THE MEDIA IS SO BIASED, AND I’M REALLY STARTING TO BELIEVE, THAT THAT’S REASON WHY G.W. GOT ELECTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE NEED CHANGE, AND OLD MAN IS NOT IT. GET IT TOGETHER AMERICA.

  4. rockpyle

    Rockpyl..where do you get you information? I clearly remember hearing McCain being asked by a tv reporter
    “would you consider running as John Kerry’s Vice President” He answered with a quick “NO”.. a short while later, when he was asked the same question by another reporter this time, he answered “I would consider it” This said, I do not remember hearing anywhere at any time that Kerry had actually ask him to run with him.

    JudyB,
    I have provided a link below to an article by the New York Times written four years ago that talks about John Kerry repeatedly asking John McCain to be his running-mate.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E0D81230F931A25755C0A9629C8B63

    It’s interesting to me how just four years ago McCain was called an “independent-minded Arizona Republican”. Now he’s being labelled a racist and a neo-con.

  5. Stratocaster

    Mc Cain is an asshole. Gee, a politician that is an asshole. Tell me something I don’t know. CHB has fallen into the same trap as all other news sources, and that is reporting insignificant crap that diverts attention away from the high crimes and treasons that have been committed. Until our present batch of elected criminals are held accountable for their crimes, it will do no good to replace them with anouther. Accountability, does anyone remember that word?

  6. ekaton

    “Not to state the obvious, but these advertisements are created by experts in their field who know how to insert subliminal messages into ads.”

    Exactly. And in the case of the Obama/Hilton/Spears ad, they were zeroing in on the “mandingo factor” group of racists out there.

    — Kent Shaw

  7. Pablo

    Now we know
    how he finds it so easy to murder Iraqis with spent-uranium munitions and cluster bombs… They are minorities.

  8. almandine

    Good comment…

    Reminds me of the time when the sexual harrassment class was asked if anyone knew the meaning of “quid pro quo”… to which the retort was “Tit-for-Tat”. True story…

  9. acf

    If you think that McCain is bad, then imagine how bad the Republican party is to think he is their best chance for president.

  10. SMOOKS

    Carlton(we do NOT have the best politicians money can buy)Harmon

    McCain is no more a hero than all the other people who fought in all the wars. The fact that he stayed locked up for five years does not make him better or more special than the rest who served and died or was wounded or got back unharmed but still with the memories of war.

    As I understand it the deal about him being offered an early release and he refused to leave before the rest of the men is wrong. It is said he could NOT leave before the men under him because he would face a court martial as he was a ranking officer. If I am wrong, I stand corrected.

  11. Flapsaddle

    Now! Now! Lets’s be reasonable here…

    …after all, our host and numerous posters are just calling a spade a spade… (a term without racial context, a way of saying that words are not being minced)

    …just think of it in terms of any praise for McCain being niggardly… (another term w/o racial animus – unless you are a member of the city council of WDC)

    …and we certainly do not expect anyone to get stuck to that tar-baby… (the only term with any possible racial connection: The Uncle Remus) stories of Joel Chandler Harris – but the “tar-baby” is not a reference to a black person)

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  12. Calvin King

    Warren it’s statement like yours the reason racism will not die.

    The things this article claimed McCain done 20 years ago were’nt right then either. Calling it “the norm”, does’nt lessing it, it sheds an insensitive light on your character. You can bet those comments hurt 20 years ago when he said them. It would be foolish to believe he has changed given his stance on MLK’s holiday, which was a recent incident. I’m sure you have seen this world change alot in your 57 years of life, but that’s because you’re not on the business end of the stick. The family of Sean Bell, the young man who was shot 50 times by NYPD, would strongly disagree with you. You see, police were killing innocent 20 years ago and further back than that. You have 30 years on me, and even I know that.

    Let me ask you this, why tar baby? Out of all the adhidsive things in he world to make a sticky reference to, that’s best one you could come up with?
    Your reasoning just doesn’t seem viable, because when you think “tarbaby”, your excuse isn’t the first thing that comes to mind. In fact, it seemed like you tried to test the waters and when you didn’t get any followers, you tried to clean it up.

    The one thing I can say that has changed, is that bigots, no longer know they are bigots.

  13. Paolo

    By the way, I’ve noticed two other facets of McCain.

    First, he looks like the weird alien in that old Star Trek episode from the 60’s–the guy who misleads the children and ends up turning into a hideous, tumor-covered monstrosity in the end.

    Second, if he just spoke with a hint of a German accent, he would be the greatest Peter Lorre impersonator of all time. Especially when he does that creepy, inappropriate little laugh. You remember it: “Bomb, bomb, bomb–Bomb, bomb Iran. Hee hee hee hee.”

    Image if he said, “I loved her, so I chust had to strangle her!” Yup, Peter Lorre, all the way.

  14. bettysdad

    I am shocked. Absolutely shocked.

    McCain’s a Republican. The basis of that party has been racism for over 40 years.

    What do you think Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” was about? A deep love of biscuits?

    It’s long past time we gave these thugs a pass that lets them act like normal people.

    Call them out.

    I do.

  15. Paolo

    Excellent column, Doug.

    As an Arizonan since 1992, I have long known John McCain as a vile, racist, red-faced, ill-tempered, foul-mouthed little man. Yet the press treats him with a strange deference, never bringing up his sordid history of loutish bigotry.

    Now, I am no fan of Obama, but observe how the press (especially the nitwit Hannity) have repeated the Jeremiah Wright quotations endlessly–despite the fact these are words Obama himself never used!

    I hope and pray McCain has a foul-mouthed “meltdown” sometime between now and November. As president, he would be just like George W. Bush, except older and meaner.

  16. almandine

    Fair or not, it’s back to square one on the Rant-O-Meter. Not exactly the “Change Starts Here” of a new day in River City. So maybe words don’t always matter…

  17. wolf3973

    This is such a horrible example of journalism. The piece is riddled with quotes that don’t actually exemplify the points that are trying to be made, and in some cases come close to contradicting the points that are trying to be made.

    Example: McCain is a racist because a black poster feels he loves America more because his ancestors weren’t as privileged as McCain’s were. WHAT?! Think hard on who is racist in that statement, it’s not McCain, but the poster that was quoted that is saying that blacks in America love America more by virtue of the color of their skin.

    I don’t doubt McCain is possibly a racist, he’s made public comments before, but why not quote one of those?!

    Writing such crap should get authors removed from their posts. At least find more appropriate evidence to back up your assertions. The only appropriate quote to the assertions of the article was the quote about the Mexicans… good job you’re one for seven.

  18. JudyB

    Phil, every comment you made is correct..times do change and so does social mores. I have always thought it awful to use racist remarks, so I haven’t… but, that does’t mean that I have not been around when they were used, and not done anything to try and stop it. We have all heard the vulgar adages like “nigger rich” “theres a nigger in the woodshed”..remember playing with a babies toes and saying “eenie meanie minee mo etc.” and they weren’t catching monkies by the toe back in those days…Mark twain even used the word “nigger” in Tom Sawyer & Huckleberry Finn and during the era of world war two, Japanese were all referred to as “Japs” or “Gooks”… remember when living together before marriage was not common but doctors smoking in hospitals and in advertisements were? It was no more proper then to talk like that than it is now, except today its not acceptable. Now its called being “politically incorrect” and someone is going to call you out for using that type language..at least in public. The list of changes as to what is now socially acceptable but was not 50 years ago would be a mile long, far Too many changes to for this old broad to count.

  19. Baal

    “I don’t know how old you are, DejaVu. I’m 57 years old and I’ve seen the world change tremendously, several times over. ”

    Warren, I dont buy it!!! Im 54, and I KNEW what the term “Tar Baby” meant when I was 14 years old….

    McSame is in the public fish bowl, and back in 1982, he SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER!!!

    Good story Doug….

  20. sherry

    uh Poll, McCain is an Anglican. Hd dissed Falwell and Robertson for their comments. At least those two blowhards apologized. Rev Wright never did. McCain was never a member of the Falwell brigade. Obama’s spiritual advisor was his spiritual advisor for 20 years.
    In any case, my bullshit tolerancy level is at an all time low. Time to sign off.

  21. Flapsaddle

    It’s now your turn in the barrel, sir! You have failed to join the Amen! pew in the attempted criminalization of the thought processes of McCain. I do not consider you as having tried to justify McCain’s remarks, rather I thought you to have offered a rationale as to why without making it an excuse.

    For the record, I am not a fan of either McCain or Obama; In the election, I will either vote a third person or I will cast no presidential ballot at all.

    Most sincerely,

    T. J. Flapsaddle

  22. pollchecker

    Doug’s just being fair. He has already stated that Obama is unfit to be POTUS and now he has called McCain a racist. That leaves Bob Barr, Ralph Nader and? In other words he is just echoing the sentiments of many around here….that none of the above should be our next POTUS? So who does that leave? Another 4 years of Bush/Cheney perhaps?

    Besides wasn’t McCain calling Obama a racist the other day? And even when he would be justified in doing so, Senator Obama never has used that word against McCain in reply. That should tell people something, right there, without any further explanation, shouldn’t it?

    And…..not that it makes any difference, but I felt this rant was a softer, gentler rant. It’s all in the words used. Which means a rant will always be a rant simply by definition.

    WORDS MATTER! I think that’s something everyone here can agree on.

  23. almandine

    So much for the kinder and gentler Doug who was to heal instead of rave, rant, and throw shit at people…

    Ho hum, back to reality.

  24. Chuckumentary

    I think it’s questionable to brush all of McCain’s documented use of racial and sexist epithets under the rug, under the guise of railing against political correctness.

    In any case, McCain’s child from Bangladesh doesn’t prove or disprove anything. He’s on the record saying his wife brought the child home without consulting him. I think it’s wonderful and compassionate that she did, but it also doesn’t cancel out all the things McCain has said.

  25. pollchecker

    At least he doesn’t have belong to a church whose services regularly dissed the old white guys.

    Sherry — perhaps you should check this out! This is NOT the first story about McCain’s church!

    McCain’s Church Hates America, Clinton’s Friends Do Too — But Let’s Get the Black Guy (Or Not?)

    When my late father — Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer — and I were the guests of Jerry Falwell at Liberty Baptist College, Falwell said to us quite casually and seriously, while speaking of the “homosexual problem,” that: “If I had a dog that did what they do I take it out and shoot it.” And when it came to saying God was damning America he and Pat Robertson sided with the 9/11 hijackers by saying the terrorist’s actions served America right and were God’s punishment. Yet John McCain went to Liberty Baptist College and spoke for Falwell, in order to “mend fences” with the Religious Right. He said he no longer believed that Falwell was “an agent of intolerance.” And Rudy Giuliani gladly accepted Robertson’s endorsement. So much for the Republican “mainstream.”

    Fair is fair. So where are the clips — playing incessantly next to Hillary Clinton’s picture — of her antiwar friends and Bill Clinton’s fellow draft dodger members of the New Left, cursing and damning America during Vietnam War protests and since? The company that Bill and Hillary kept in the late 1960s through the 1970s was defined by damning America and sometimes by rooting for the North Vietnamese. Anti-American spewing also came from left wing white preachers. Read the fiery sermons of the late Episcopal bishop of New York Paul Moore, Jr. who raged against America.

    Bishop Moore, in his 1997 autobiography, Presences: A Bishop’s Life in the City, wrote that the end of the Cold War had left the United States “like a wounded rooster crowing on the top of the dung heap.” Blaming “corporate greed and lust” as well as “unbridled nationalism” for manufacturing causes for war, Moore cursed America as often as he served communion.

    McCain is an Episcopalian. Where are the clips of the anti-American rantings of Bishop Moore and not a few other Episcopalian pastors and bishops, next to McCain’s picture?

    Want to play this smear-by-association game? Okay, while McCain was a prisoner of war his bishop Moore was rooting for McCain’s torturers. How can McCain be a member of that denomination and be a real American, let alone commander in chief? Isn’t it time he explains his anti-American white associations? Isn’t it time McCain gives a speech to explain what it means to be a white in bed with hate-America white liberals..?

    Sherry while I agree with you that everyone has used inappropriate language at times but McCain has said a lot of inappropriate things.

    I have posted an article which quoted him calling his wife a HORRIBLE WORD which I won’t repeat (Vietname Vets won’t vote for McCain). This guy is just another GW in different clothing! A rose by any other name is still a rose!

    Actually, I would like a POTUS that is politically correct. I’m really tired of 8 years of some Bozo making inappropriate jokes. They can say what they will about Clinton but at least no one ever accused him of making inappropriate racist remarks and being from Arkansas, I’m sure if he had, the public would have heard about it.

  26. sherry

    I find this whole article appalling. Obviously, as long as Doug rants against McCain, he is a hero.
    McCain has adopted a child from Bangledesh. I would think if he was truly a racist, the child would have remained in her native home.
    Anyone who says they have never used a politically incorrect term here is lying. For instance, a ‘coon to me was a wild critter roaming in the woods. Only when I referred to the critter did someone inform me it was a racial slur. I had no idea.
    Let’s not try to be so politically correct. I daresay Obama has used the N word.Lord knows his rap buddies do.
    So what’s up that only old white guys can be bigots?
    If someone held me captive for 5 years, I might feel I had earned the right to call them something nasty for a few years. The term “gooks” was common among Vets at the time.
    Talk about the issues. At least he doesn’t have belong to a church whose services regularly dissed the old white guys.
    The white guy who moved me told of his black friend who was ticked he couldn’t get an extra large T shirt dipicting the KKK with the caption, “the original boyz in da hood”
    Just goes to show not everyone is that politically correct.
    Thank God.

  27. Sandra Price

    Phil, I am older than anyone here and I was raised in California among racists, homophobes and anti-semites. I didn’t buy it then (1942) and I don’t buy it now. But I backed out of the church at that same time and began a life of total independence against all hatred. Until I moved to Havasu, I saw little of the religious right pandering for social laws. My moving to Sun City (N.W. of Phoenix) all the hatred came back with my neighbors, my rec center members and I was suddenly judged as nothing but an old aged hippy. When I tell people my kids attended Berkeley they turn and walk away. Hearing people talk about hatred has nearly ruined my life. Not because they are slandering me but my family and friends.

    There is no justification for this kind of hatred for mankind that has taken over American values. I have three adult children and they never ever made the kind of comments we hear on the streets of Sun City or any city. That was where this bigotry stopped. I feel a need to cleanse myself and get out of here as soon as possible. I’m looking at Tampa Bay as I cannot afford to go back to California. My kids tell me it is a funky area with few Christians directing the dialog. How helpless I feel here surrounded by such ignorance.

    You are correct and we must stop justifying this terrible bigotry and racism. If we can’t do it, who will?

  28. pollchecker

    Anyone who ends every statement with a shit eating smile like he does should not only not be president, he should be retired immediately.

    Hey Phil, doesn’t GW do that? One more similarity to McSame!

  29. ekaton

    I read the article, Hal. Sadly, the Republicans have decided to make race a wedge issue, just as they do with guns and abortions. They’re a nasty bunch.

    Obama’s race is irrelevant. Neither party is willing to address the real issues in any meaningful way.

    Obama’s latest ploy is to pander to the voters with promise of a $1000 “rebate” because of high gasoline prices. This is yet one more LOAN forced upon the American people because it is a “rebate” made with BORROWED money that must be repaid with interest. Financed with 30-year treasury notes means we will pay back $2000 for that $1000 gift. What a deal!

    McCain is a racist.

    — Kent Shaw

  30. Hal Brown

    Running While Black
    —- — By BOB HERBERT, NY Times OpEd, August 2, 2008

    Quoted and shared without comment.

    Gee, I wonder why, if you have a black man running for high public office — say, Barack Obama or Harold Ford — the opposition feels compelled to run low-life political ads featuring tacky, sexually provocative white women who have no connection whatsoever to the black male candidates.

    Spare me any more drivel about the high-mindedness of John McCain. You knew something was up back in March when, in his first ad of the general campaign, Mr. McCain had himself touted as “the American president Americans have been waiting for.” CONTINUED

  31. Warren

    Phil, by the way, please note that every comment you make, or have ever made, will be held to the politically correct standards of the year 2032. Whatever those are.

  32. Warren

    I never talked like that either. I deplore it. But none of this makes John McCain a racist. It makes him a politician making inappropriate jokes by today’s standards for the benefit of a small circle of friends at his table at a restaurant 30 years ago. Jeez!

    And man, I hate like hell defending John McCain.

  33. Phil Hoskins

    Well I am older than you and i never talked like that. We always knew what racism was and always had the choice to join in or not.

    McCain is a hateful, angry, weak man. Anyone who ends every statement with a shit eating smile like he does should not only not be president, he should be retired immediately.

    How dare you justify his hateful statements based on “different times.”

    Phil Hoskins

  34. Warren

    I don’t know how old you are, DejaVu. I’m 57 years old and I’ve seen the world change tremendously, several times over.

    I remember the time about 20 years ago when I was working for a major international corporation. In one meeting I called a particular project a “Tar Baby”. We’re talking about a technical project that once someone was attached to, one could not get free from. That’s what I associated with “Tar Baby”. Next thing I knew I was damn near hung from the corporate yardarm for political incorrectness.

    Times change. Drastically. People change. Like him or hate him, judge John McCain by what he is now against the social norms of now, not by what he said decades ago against the social norms of now.

  35. DejaVuAllOver

    Diatribe, Warren? The man factually told of a personal experience with subject. This is the farthest from “diatribe” or “rant” I have ever read from Doug. Sometimes the facts are so ugly they don’t need any help telling the story! Rock on, Doug!

  36. Warren

    I view John McCain as a natural representative of his combination of time and place. Consider his time: He’s 72 years old. The world was not nearly so politically correct for most of his political lifetime. The simple fact is that gender, ethnicity, sexual preference and similar social differences were fair game for joviality until fairly recently. That’s the way the world was when you were listening and John was telling jokes. That doesn’t make him evil. That makes him a man of his time at the time you quote him.

    Has he evolved into a man of the time *now*? Partially, I think.

    Then there is the matter of his place. I am a resident of Arizona for 12 years. The Phoenix area is one of the most cosmopolitan in the U.S. Everyone is from somewhere else. To call Arizona a hotbed of racism is to be malevolently ignorant.

    Dang, I hate defending John McCain. I have no inclination of voting for him whatsoever. I don’t even like him. But I don’t like this sort of blinders-on diatribe against the man.

    You aren’t understanding, just ranting.

  37. JudyB

    This country is populated with too many seemingly well mannered, amiable, polite people who are in truth, racists and bigots. It sickens me to know this race will get dirtier as we get closer to election day. There was not a single candidate who escaped the primaries unscathed. If I didn’t know better I would think that the USA found the scum of the nation to run for our president…and from what we’ve had serving for the past 7 1/2 years, anyone thinking that would be correct.

    I want to know the truth, and it is nearly impossible to decipher what one reads and hears there is so much out there. I have no reason to doubt what Doug has said today, it dosen’t surprise me in the least, especially when they were all drinking.

    I have never considered voting for McCain. In 2000 it was because of his uncontrolled temper, but now its because of his stance on the war, his Bush butt kissing, and his chameleon like character.

    Rockpyl..where do you get you information? I clearly remember hearing McCain being asked by a tv reporter
    “would you consider running as John Kerry’s Vice President” He answered with a quick “NO”.. a short while later, when he was asked the same question by another reporter this time, he answered “I would consider it” This said, I do not remember hearing anywhere at any time that Kerry had actually ask him to run with him.

    I will vote for Obama…and for the record, I am more interested in who will be in his cabinet than his running mate.

  38. pollchecker

    I hope someone will ask him how many times he has used the “N” word in his life? I’m sure he will either lie or change the subject which is his most recently used tactics.

    People need to remember this when they talk about not voting. This could be the man nominating several Supreme Court justices as well as appointing Federal Appellate Judges, etc., etc.

  39. rockpyle

    Hmmmmmm, interesting article.

    Just four years ago John Kerry was begging John McCain to be his running mate and many in the Democratic Party were excited about the possibilities. Now that he is running against the annointed one he must be a racist.

  40. Timr

    excellent post. McCain is not the only racist in the repig party, he has lots and lots of company. The new angle is that it is ok to be a racist if you are talking about illegal immigrants-who mostly come from Mexico. Add them to the rest of the hate list that the repigs stand for.