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June 4, 2008 - 6:36am.
I watched all three historic speeches. McCain, stumbling over teleprompter Obama attack lines, made Bush look lovable with one nasty spontaneous smile after another. With no class, Hillary Clinton smiled like a someone possessed by the Devil as she acted as if she had The Dark's One's guarantee she'd be president in 2009. Obama, began with a loving fist to fist thumbs up (called a "dap") with Michelle and gave a rousing but smile-free serious speech mostly free of calculated applause lines. I think dismissing John McCain's nasty streak as a trivial personality quirk is like suggesting the black cat with the white stripe down its back is safe to stand behind when it lifts it tail at you. McCain is looking forward with glee to putting the stink on Obama. I think McCain enjoys sticking it to people he is competing with. He's like the kid on the field taunting the batter with "swing, swing, swing" and who laughs with satisfaction that the distraction worked when he strikes out. Last night I kept anticipating that Hillary's eyes would turn into those gleaming red devil eyes you see depicted on television shows and movies about demonic possession. Demonic possession? Someone who sold their soul to the Prince of Darkness for the presidency? I know this isn't original (see The Swift Report: The Devil's Endorsement from back in 2005) but I can't control my imagination. Now Hillary has driven me mad. But do you want what some readers will say is proof of real madness? If polling shows that no other ticket besides Obama and Clinton, even Obama and Richardson, would assure a Democratic victory, I would choke back the bile rising in my gut and support this decidely odd couple.
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Poor Hal! It will be okay.
Submitted by Sandra Price on June 4, 2008 - 8:11am.Poor Hal! It will be okay. Sit down, breathe deeply and you will return to normal after a good sleep.
You must stay with us and get us all through the next coming months where the GOP just might explode and we can finally see the inner demons that control their minds.
McCain has a lot of vindictiveness for the way he was treated in 2000 and in holding this back we may see a personality problem with his attacks on Obama. He is like a cat who after coming out of a terrible fight, will attack even his loving owner.
Hillary isn't worth losing your mind. We need it here.......
The three speeches was a
Submitted by pollchecker on June 4, 2008 - 8:58am.The three speeches was a perfect illustration of why Senator Obama will be our next POTUS!
Our country wants a change from vindictiveness and narcisism. The people want a leader who at least pretends its about the people and not themselves.
John McCain's speech was a great beginning as it clearly showed why this man should not be allowed to gain countrol of our country's govt under any circumstance.
Do you think he is trying to copy Dick's snear in an attempt to be more presidential? He's already done a good bubba imitation of GW in his ignorance of International matters. And he's suppose to be the best commander in chief? I don't think so. All we need is another megalomaniac like GW with access to nuclear weapons and a grudge against those in the middle East.
Hillary's speech showed why she lost. Although she attempted to cast the end as about the people, it was obviously all about her and not about other people.
The Main Stream Media cited Clinton Fatigue as a factor as if they didn't play a part in that. The MSM talking heads had proclaimed her Madame President long, long time ago.
Well, it shows why no one should ever proceeds based on assumptions and certianly someone who wants to be POTUS should know this.
Senator Obama's speech -- frankly I didn't see it. But I read the text and as usual it was eloquent and to the point. It reminds me of speeches of past presidents like John F Kennedy and Franklin Roosevelt.
Whether Senator Obama can be the POTUS this country really needs is easily debated. However there are givens.....what this country DOES NOT need is another 4 more years of continuation of Bush/McCAin policies in the WH. It certainly couldn't hurt to have a REAL eloquent, intelligent leader for a change with a postive vision for the future. Let us focus on that for awhile.
Obama/Richardson '08
I didn't see or hear
Submitted by JerZGirl on June 4, 2008 - 9:06am.I didn't see or hear McCain's speech, but I heard both Clinton's and Obama's and his was by far the more gracious and generous of the two. She politely acknowledged Obama as her opponent and declared him a friend, but the focus of her speech was almost entirely on Hillary. Obama leveled such praise on Hillary that if that was all I'd heard, I might have thought SHE'D reached the goal, not him. Not one word of it sounded as though it were spoken through clenched teeth, not one ounce of insincerity did I detect. Yet, because she didn't once admit defeat, and because one of New Jersey's super delegates last night announced he will continue to support Hillary until SHE says it's over, I can't help but think she has tricks up her sleeve. The woman is an "all or nothing" kind of person. She is a sore loser, a poor sport, and not one to take losing gracefully. I fully believe the "ugly" is yet to come.
I keep imagining George W. and Hillary being separated at birth - they seem so much alike in personality. Neither takes no for an answer, both enjoy being the center of attention, both of them have a penchant for lying to benefit themselves, etc. We really don't need another four years of that.
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." -Mark Twain
I keep imagining George W.
Submitted by pollchecker on June 4, 2008 - 9:08am.A narcisist by any other name is still a narcissist!
I like the title of Dana
Submitted by Hal Brown on June 4, 2008 - 9:35am.I like the title of Dana Milbank's Washington Post column this morning:
In Defeat, Clinton Graciously Pretends to Win
He concludes with:
McCain in New Orleans --
Submitted by old_curmudgeon on June 4, 2008 - 9:57am.McCain in New Orleans -- <1000 attending
Clinton in New York -- <500 attending
Obama in St. Paul -- >19000 +/- attending
Kinda says it all.
Added after thinking more
Submitted by Hal Brown on June 4, 2008 - 9:57am.Added after thinking more about the prospect of a McCain presidency:
Now Hillary has driven me mad.
But do you want what some readers will say is proof of real madness?
If polling shows that no other ticket besides Obama and Clinton, even
Obama and Richardson, would assure a Democratic victory, I think I would choke back the bile rising in my gut and support this decidedly odd couple.
Obama doesn't need Clinton.
Submitted by old_curmudgeon on June 4, 2008 - 10:03am.Obama doesn't need Clinton.
Hal -- I will not vote for
Submitted by pollchecker on June 4, 2008 - 10:10am.Hal -- I will not vote for Obama/Clinton. And if Obama is dumb enough to succumb to the OLD Political Clinton Machine and ask her to be VP, then he doesn't deserve to win!
I will vote for Nader and let the dice fall where they may.
Perhaps the fall of the USA would be a good thing. The demise of the United States of the Soviet Union (USSR) didn't turn out to be such a bad thing.
Perhaps we would be better off like Europe where each state is its own country but we share common resources. Isn't that closer to the original vision for our country?
Pollchecker, I agree that
Submitted by Ladywolf55 on June 4, 2008 - 12:00pm.Pollchecker, I agree that the fall of the USA at this point might not be such a bad thing. And if anyone is stupid enough to vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket, they deserve just what they got when they voted for Bush/Cheney.
This is just SAD, SAD, SAD.
Obama/Clinton? No, thank
Submitted by ekaton on June 4, 2008 - 11:50am.Obama/Clinton? No, thank you. Billary would do everything possible to subvert an Obama presidency. He'd have to watch his back, both figuratively and literally at all times.
Don't count out Hillary Clinton yet. She's been the darling of the Bilderbergers for years and fully expects to achieve that which she has been promised, the presidency of the U.S.
Obama has the nomination "locked up" assuming none of the "pledged" superdelegates switch positions, assuming no backroom double dealing. How many SuperD's might have a skeleton or two making them possibly susceptible to blackmail? Are the Clintons averse to using blackmail?
And, a McCain/Clinton ticket would not surprise me in the least. Either would be acceptable to "the owners" as president. McCain, too, would have to watch his back at every turn.
Pardon my cynicism.
More war. More wasted lives. More wasted dollars. More poverty. More hate. More fear. More fascism. Vote McCain/Clinton.
And, Hal, you think YOU have been driven over the edge ...
-- Kent Shaw
And, Hal, you think YOU have
Submitted by pollchecker on June 4, 2008 - 12:05pm.Thanks for the smile Kent! I went over the edge 4 years ago when they re-elected the slime the first time! Perhaps it is where I get such notions as McCain/Clinton ticket.
It has taken me 4 years to recover. I vow to do everything I can to ensure we don't re-elect the 3rd term of Bush/McCain in 2008!
I am being castigated for my
Submitted by Sandra Price on June 4, 2008 - 9:57am.I am being castigated for my support of Obama. I receive email after email telling me the Democrats are haters of America. I can only come back with the statements I have made since 1992 when the GOP began their push for the One World Order control of the friggin planet they lost me! When I read this platform I sobbed like a baby. How dare these horrible people change the whole pattern of individual values and use us to push into another world war?
I had to admit that the opposition in the GOP have a candidate and the rest of us do not. It is my greatest hope that we soon will but until we do, I will support a Democrat in November. I met with the LP yesterday and they have no winning platform and probably will not vote at all in November.
I feel that America needs to remove the horrors of this neo-republican corruption from our system even if we have to use a blood transfusion to rid us of this cancer.
Out! Out! brief candle and remove McCain from our sight!
Thank you Sandra for another
Submitted by pollchecker on June 4, 2008 - 10:05am.Thank you Sandra for another Example of how Today's Republican (Disinformation) Party works.
If they can't discredit your argument, they resort to name calling.
The attack dogs will go AFTER ANYONE WHO DARES to step up and tell the TRUTH thereby daring to challenge their disinformation.
I forgot about this. My
Submitted by JerZGirl on June 4, 2008 - 10:07am.I forgot about this. My favorite part of Barack Obama's speech was that he dedicated his presumed nomination to his grandmother who was unable to attend, but still living in Hawaii.
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." -Mark Twain
JerZGirl, I've been meaning
Submitted by ekaton on June 4, 2008 - 12:07pm.JerZGirl, I've been meaning to tell you for some time now that I love your "tag line" -- "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." -Mark Twain
MT spoke truth. I was given the opportunity to travel worldwide as part of my job. I have been to the Middle East. Please allow a brief anecdote.
I think that most Americans by now are thinking that Islam is some big evil monolithic fundamentalist religious terrorist organization. But I can tell you that this is not so, based on behaviors I observed in Bahrain. I saw many Arab men AND women drinking and smoking. I saw them drinking coffee at McDonalds. I saw them dancing to popular music at nightclubs. Yes, nightclubs.
Muslims are called to prayer five times a day with prayer times announced over PA systems. As we returned to our hotel one evening after work, and as the prayer tower across the street was announcing evening prayers, several Arab cabbies stood about the hotel parking lot smoking and joking and totally ignoring the call to prayer. Another time I had taken a walk about town and gotten hopelessly lost. I hailed a cab and was picked up by an absolutely hilarious Arab dude speaking broken English at me non-stop. He was an amazing character. By the time the cab ride ended he had declared our undying friendship. He insisted the ride was free. I practically had to fight him to get him to let me pay. He acted insulted that I should in any way pay for the ride after he had declared it free of charge. Not much of a terrorist.
I've been to England, Spain, Italy, Greece and Japan. If more people had those kinds of opportunities, the world would definitely be a kinder gentler place. PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. People love to laugh, love to play, love to love, love to meet other people from other cultures, and love to get along. Governments, usually wholly owned subsidiaries of rich, twisted, sociopathic elites, do not. Governments promote warfare for profit.
I apologize for going so far off topic.
-- Kent Shaw
"PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE" It's
Submitted by pollchecker on June 4, 2008 - 12:13pm."PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE"
It's true! When we stop looking at the world from a narcissistic point of view, we find that we all have certain things in common like the need for clean air and water, the desire to be safe, etc.
I think these are called inalienable rights? But since the Bushies took over everything, who knows (wink)?
Kent - I'm so glad I came
Submitted by JerZGirl on June 5, 2008 - 8:52am.Kent - I'm so glad I came back in to see what new had been said. Thank you so much for the compliment and the anecdote. I've found much the same on my few travels. We've eaten at Persian restaurants in the UK and Germany and found nothing but hospitality. We have our own bad seed here in the US. They can be anywhere and everywhere.
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." -Mark Twain
Jezgirl. As a grandmother I
Submitted by Sandra Price on June 4, 2008 - 10:16am.Jezgirl. As a grandmother I literally cried when he said those words. I have pride in my grandson but hope he makes it to San Francisco on a fund-raising bike ride.
We grandparents take what we can get!!!
My oldest grand is 8, the
Submitted by JerZGirl on June 5, 2008 - 8:55am.My oldest grand is 8, the youngest 4, and I haven't seen them in 3 years. But, they sure like to chat on the phone!! I understand what you mean!
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." -Mark Twain
I think Obama can win
Submitted by Hal Brown on June 4, 2008 - 10:39am.I think Obama can win convincingly without those Hillary supporters who are now threatening to vote for McCain with a good VP choice like Richardson or some of the opthers who have been mentioned.
I don't think he needs Hillary to win.
I don't think he will succumb to extortion.
If Hillary doesn't endorse him within a day or two and enthusiastically campaign for him she will doom her future in the Democratic Party.
Unless she is clinically delusional she knows she attempting a politically suicidal bluff now if she tries to use extortion to get the VP slot.
If Clinton was a mensch she would suggest two or three VP choices and ask, not demand, that Obama consider them seriously.
I still think that since
Submitted by pollchecker on June 4, 2008 - 10:57am.I still think that since Senator McCain speaks so admirably about Senator Clinton, that perhaps he should offer her the GOP VP nomination.
Of course it's not going to happen, but what a show that would be if he did (VERY BIG GRIN!).
"Obama/Richardson '08 -- The Winning Team for our Future!"
I would love to see that
Submitted by JerZGirl on June 5, 2008 - 8:58am.I would love to see that combination myself, but I have a strong fear that the bigotry that is barely concealed in this country wouldn't be able to handle a two-minority ticket.
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"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." -Mark Twain
I understand your logic but
Submitted by pollchecker on June 5, 2008 - 9:29am.I understand your logic but so far conventional logic doesn't seem to apply.
a)Sen Obama (as you probably know) is half caucausian and half African American. He is a Christian with a name that sounds Muslum.
b)Gov Richardson is an Hispanic that is often mistaken for a Caucasian with a WASP sounding last name.
In my personal opinion, if race is a determining factor in voting for a candidate, I do not believe that it will matter if it is one minority or two minorities. In that case, you most likely won't get the vote.
I have yet to find anyone with serious problems with
Obama/Richardson '08.
Those who disagree have yet to present a serious argument against it other than race. I'd love to hear some better suggestions with substantive ideas behind them.
Perhaps with the looming immigration issues we face before us, it is time to have this discussion about race. We are living in the 21st century but acting like it's the early 1900's in some cases.
My vote is for:
Obama/Richardson '08 -- The WINNING TEAM for our Future!.
Sounds great, doesn't it?
If polling shows that no
Submitted by fritzer on June 4, 2008 - 12:12pm.If polling shows that no other ticket besides Obama and Clinton, even Obama and Richardson, would assure a Democratic victory, I would choke back the bile rising in my gut and support this decidely odd couple.
I previously thought that this is what I would do. I have since decided against this.
My reasons are that she is a liar. For instance, her claim to being under sniper fire when visiting Bosnia has NO credibility. First of all, one does not forget having been shot at - ask any Vietnam veteran. Second, the plane would not have landed with the First Lady aboard had there been any danger involved.
Additionally, Hillary did not think it was possible to leave Iraq before 2012. Presumably that would be just in time for her re-election campaign. This was, of course, before Obama said he would begin removing troops immediately and her position did not hold water with the voters.
This woman would do ANYTHING to ensure her election.
In case anyone thinks that I am anti-women, I would like to point out that I DID vote for a woman. It was for Jane Byrne when she ran for Mayor of Chicago. Once elected, she no longer had need of labor's support. Guess what? She was not re-elected. I will not make that mistake again, and that includes if Hillary is the VP choice.
Do Not do it! DO NOT CHOOSE HILLARY FOR VP RUNNING MATE!!!
Dear Obama; do what your gut
Submitted by bryan mcclellan on June 4, 2008 - 1:08pm.Dear Obama; do what your gut tells you not what the polls are ragging on endlessly about.
Spew the fetid idea of a clinton VP now, and set these pundit asses straight.
We who are not quite sold on your candidacy have got to know now what is in your mind and are looking dead at you for action instead of rhetoric.
Got it?
Good.
I love being out here high
Submitted by buckethead on June 4, 2008 - 2:06pm.I love being out here high up in Colorado and being able to read all the postings before I get around to making one. Clinton did talk only about herself and McCain looked like a deer in the headlights and Obama clearly won the contest. She may well have some Rovian tactics left but I don't think her 17 1/2 million will be able to help McCain enough. Forget about her!
Greg
I feel very sure that Obama
Submitted by tropicaltaco on June 4, 2008 - 2:40pm.I feel very sure that Obama is far too intelligent to even consider Clinton for VP. If it does happen then we'll all know the extent that this election is still being manipulated. Considering the assassinations of the past 40 years, I fear for Obama's safety and more so if Clinton becomes his running mate since we all know by now that she will stop at nothing to get what she wants...
On another note, I thought I heard somewhere here that Richardson was a member of the Carlyle Group or some such nasty organization, can anyone refresh my memory ?
McCain and Clinton both
Submitted by Hal Brown on June 4, 2008 - 3:12pm.McCain and Clinton both have bent and distorted the truth and outright lied during the course of the campaign.
They seem to get mildly criticized when they do this, in part because Obama won't stoop to their level.
I don't know of any lie or distortion coming from Obama and the only talking point of his I object to is the hundred year McCain quote. True, McCain said that, but I am am tired of it and I think there are more accurate ways to describe McCain's Iraq position.
Obama is blasted because of the bitter comment, Rev. Wright and Pastor Phlegler, an association with some 1970's radicals and a less than politically astute purchase of land to increase the size of his yard. But where has he distorted the truth or lied?
Letting Clinton into the
Submitted by DejaVuAllOver on June 4, 2008 - 4:09pm.Letting Clinton into the Obama White House makes the old analogy about the fox and the henhouse seem quaint. I doubt that even the Secret Service could protect Obama from Satan herself if she resided in the office down the hall. Fortunately, November is a long way off in terms of Joe or Josephine American's political memory. Hillary will be forgotten, soon enough. Unless, of course, she chooses the the Jack Rubinstein or Sirhan Sirhan style of infamy, which I'm not ruling out......
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