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May 21, 2008 - 8:01am.

Here is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of what is WRONG with the REpublican party.

Senate panel OKs homeowner rescue plan

The vote was 19-2 in the Senate Banking Committee to approve the plan, which would give cheaper, government-backed mortgages to up to 500,000 strapped borrowers. Eight Republicans joined the panel’s Democrats to back the measure, after extracting a major concession to pay for the foreclosure-prevention plan by diverting money intended to pay for housing for the poor.

TAke from the poor to give to other people. The steal and spend Republicans only give money to themselves and those who pay to put them in office.

As to the rest of us, they just don't care!

Congressman Barney Frank swears there will be a BIG fight over this particular issue in committee. Give em Hell, Barney! Enough of robbing the poor to pay for the rich's mistakes. But that's what John McCain would do if he takes over our govt.

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Another example of today's

Another example of today's Republicanism is their TOTAL HYPOCRISY! John McCain is SO BAD that even the RATS are deserting the ship. The only ones left to vote for him are the neo-crazies.

Lobbyists to John McCain: This is our thanks?

Yesterday, I read that McCain was going to rely on the Republican National Committee for campaign financing. What a joke. Where does he think the committee gets most of its money? Not the public, that is for sure. But it gives the ILLUSION, bogus that it is, that he is not accepting money from the same RICH FAT CAT CORPORATE TYPES that SUPPORT THE FAILED POLICIES OF BUSH/MCCAIN!

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Unfortunately the article

Unfortunately the article doesn't explain how the Democrats planned to finance this legislation, but it does state that the diversion of funds is temporary. It seems to me that they had to compromise in order to get Republicans on board. It seems to me that the argument isn't about whether they should do this bailout or not, but how it will be funded. Boy, I wish I was tasked with figuring out how to spend $300 billion of someone else's money.

I can't tell from your posting if you're opposed to the idea of the bailout or just the funding aspect. If the former, then I think equal chastisement of the Democrats is in order. Moreso, I think, because there were eleven Democrats that voted approval. If the latter, I would like to think of this as a good example of the debate and compromise, the bi-partisanship, that many claim is lacking in the Congress. Personally, I'm opposed to the bailout entirely, but the Congress seems intent on doing it, but shouldn't we be at least slightly satisfied that they were actually able to come to a compromise on anything?

The article also fails to explain why Barney Frank is opposed to this, and what the fight will be over. Will it be over funding, or the bailout itself? From what I gather, he is opposed to the financing aspect, so realistically the money will have to come from somewhere, if not the Housing Fund.

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Griff, is that really you?

Griff, is that really you? (wink)

Frank is opposed for paying for this program using money from the program for the poor to pay for it. I agree with Frank.

That said, I also agree with you they should pay for it ....but not rob Peter to pay Paul.

This is what the Bushies have been doing. They divert money needed to run our country and do good things to Halliburton, KBR, Blackstone and on and on. This is why steal and spend Republicans is an accurate description.

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Someone needs to be robbed

Someone needs to be robbed to pay for it, that's my point. I realize that hatred for Republicans runs rampant, but the Democrats seem to be the ones intent on passing this legislation, and apparently had to negotiate the financing aspect for approval.

I find it interesting to note that the Democrats fail to explain how they intended to pay for it. Print more money, borrow it from China, or divert from other funding? Either way someone, namely us, is being robbed, no matter where the funds actually come from. That is the basis for my opposition to the bailout entirely.

Once again, the Democrats are using the plight of the poor to demonize Republicans while they fail to explain where they would appropriate the funds. So in this particular instance, I would categorize the Democrats as the stealers and spenders for pushing this legislation in the first place.

While I won't disagree with you about Bush and his cronies, the Democrat Congress has had two years in which to reverse this doctrine, and they have lifted not one finger to do so. If these are such pressing matters, why has the Congress sat on their hands these last two years? If the securtiy and happiness of Americans is of such utmost importance to them, why have they not acted?

Where has Obama been? Oh, that's right, out campaigning for "change" while he could have been doing his job (the one he was elected to do) and actually working for it. He has shirked his responsibility to his constituents and his country by being absent from Congress.

So the Democrats have been content to allow this to continue so they can use it to their advantage this fall instead of working to set things right. This doesn't leave me with much faith that the Democrats are really concerned with these problems, or reversing them, but only that they are willing to ignore them in favor of acquiring absolute power next January.

I have seen you use the Supreme Court as an argument against McCain. Hypothetically, if McCain were to somehow win in November, the Democrat Congress would most surely reject any conservative appointee. If not, then they have no business holding these positions. The Deomcrats of course use that argument as a rallying cry anyway.

But let's turn that around, and look at what Obama may do with the Supreme Court. His record clearly shows and his campaign promise is such that he will appoint judges to rule against the second amendment.

The "conservative" Supreme Court has already set the stage for this with their anticipated ruling due next month, I believe. It is anticipated that the Court will rule that while citizens have the right to bear arms, the government has the right to curtail that right as they see fit. Orwellian doublespeak if there ever was. From his own website...

"He also supports making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets".

To the uninitiated, the term "assault weapons" sounds really evil. Assault weapons are fully automatic military weapons, which are already illegal. What the public is allowed to purchase and own are semi-automatic rifles, not assault weapons.

In 1998, he pledged to support a "ban on all semiautomatic weapons". As the Chicago tribune reported, "Obama said he opposed allowing ordinary citizens to carry concealed weapons and that a federal law banning concealed carried weapons except for law enforcement is needed".

In May 2004, he voted against a bill to protect citizens who use handguns in self defense. The bill was passed and then vetoed by the Governor. On the second vote, Obama also voted against, but the bill was passed by a veto override.

The right to keep and bear arms is the most basic protection against tyranny, and when only the police are armed do the people go from being citizens to becoming subjects. With the abolishment of most of the Bill of Rights, the second amendment is all we have left as a protection against government oppression and tyranny. I will not cede that right, nor will I support anyone that stands for it.

Furthermore, I don't see anywhere in his platform any mention of repealing the Patriot Act, the Military Commisions Act, or restoring Habeas Corpus. I don't see any mention of the Federal Reserve or our currency issues. His platform is pretty much run-of-the-mill socialism, with nothing of substantial change to be found.

That's why most Obama supporters can't be coaxed into policy discussions. All they know is that he isn't a Clinton and he isn't a Bush, and that's good enough. Beyond that, most people don't have any idea what he stands for.

It seems most are willing to ignore the lessons of what the Republicans did with absolute control of our government, along with the tacit approval of the minority Democrats, and we are more than willing to hand the Democrats absolute power in return. Not a healthy alternative.

Both parties have been playing this good cop - bad cop routine for far too long, and it is always to the detriment of the people they are tasked with representing.

"Checks and ballances, Jefferson, however you and your party may have ridiculed them, are our only Security, for the progress of Mind, as well as the Security of Body. Every species of these Christians would persecute Deists, as soon as either sect would persecute another, if it had unchecked and unballanced Power. Nay, the Deists would persecute Christians, and Atheists would persecute Deists, with an unrelenting Cruelty, as any Christians would persecute them or one another. Know thyself, Human Nature!"

- John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, June 25, 1813

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Thank you Griff for the

Thank you Griff for the CLASSIC EXAMPLE of TODAY'S Republicanism.....DIVERT ATTENTION TO OTHER PEOPLE!

Today's Republican Party talks a good game about people taking responsibility but that NEVER APPLIES to their own party. This is typical of many religious hypocrites which is why religion gets such a bad rap.

Someone has to be robbed? What do you call our spending in Iraq? I call it HIGHWAY ROBBERY!

You fail to mention how Bush & Co. have squandered our deficit and put us deep in debt but yet you expect the Dems to fix everything in less than 2 years with the Genuises of Propaganda stonewalling with Rovian stall tactics?

As I believe I mentioned somewhere earlier on this site, the definition of insanity is to do something over and over again expecting a differenct result. At this point all the Dem party can do is make EVERYONE go on the record with their vote INCLUDING Senators McCain and Obama.

You fail to mention that the SENATE REPUBLICANS FORCED the Sentate Dems to agree to pay for this program by taking from the poor. If they left it completely to the Dems completely, then and only then can they completely blame the Dems for anything.

Now I do not mean to overlook the Dems deficiencies but I am really tired of hearing Republicans blame problems they either created or enhanced in the past 8 years on the Dems. That is just a crock.

As to your assault rifle example, might I point out that if the Dems hold a 2/3rds majority in Congress, an event very likely to happen this year, it won't matter who is President because Congress can then do as they may regardless of what the Legislative Branch says or does.

You also fail to point out that the next President is our next Commander in Chief. Do I want John McCain's finger on that button? Not just No, but HELL NO my friend.

In 1992 when Clinton was elected over Bush 41, the Republican Party said nothing good would come...but that is not what happened despite their best efforts to thwart it.

I would like to conclude by adding the I specifically emphasized TODAYS REpublicanism because it is not the Republican Party my father was a part of many years ago.

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I don't see where I was

I don't see where I was divering anyone's attention. I was merely commenting on political reality, and again your disdain for everything Republican has blinded you to the political reality.

I in no way endorse robbing anyone to pay for this bailout, but again, political reality dictates the money come from somewhere. Now if the Democrats were to oppose this bailout, then they would have my support. But they don't, so one must assume the Democrats intended to pull this $300 billion out of thin air, which is in fact robbing everyone that uses dollars as currency, including the poor. Actually, devaluation of the currency hits the poor the hardest, so either way the poor are getting screwed. That is the reality, the rest is political posturing.

So really, all the Republicans did was force the Democrats into temporarily diverting funds from another program instead of simply borrowing or printing it. Far more fiscally responsible than tacking $300 billion onto the deficit, thereby saddling everyone, including the poor, with the consequences of a higher deficit and a weaker dollar.

But now you're linking two unrelated issues. The Democrats have given Bush everything he's asked for in Iraq, offering nothing more than token opposition. No, I wouldn't expect the Democrats to fix everything in two years, but to do absolutely nothing is unaccpetable. Furthermore, considering the dire circumstances in this country, two years of wasted time and wasted lives for political reasons is also unacceptable.

And since Obama, as well as the other two candidates, has been absent for much of this Congress, I have to say that he doesn't give us much of a voting record to go on. Convenient, isn't it?

Just because this housing debacle happened during Bush's term, doesn't mean that it is his, or the Republicans' fault entirely. To imply that is to feign ignorance. This problem stems from years of Federal Reserve monetary and banking policy dating back well into Bill Clinton's tenure. And remember, the Federal Reserve is not a federal entity, but a privately owned corporation that both parties endorse and are beholden to. So your blaming one party for for policies that both parties endorse and support is the real crock.

And it will matter who is President when the Democrats unilaterally control Congress. While they are likely to rubber-stamp for Obama, McCain would, or should, have a much harder time accomplishing anything. So while they can block the appointment of "conservative" justices, it is far more likely that they will easily approve "liberal" justices bent on interpreting the second amendment in the liberal gun-grabber mold. Again, no partisanship, just observations on political reality.

So from a purely non-partisan objective viewpoint, I would much rather lean toward constitutional checks and balances as opposed to handing absolute power to another party...any party, especially with a virtually unknown entity in Obama at the helm.

Dare I say that we may be better served as a country if the Democrats were to prove themselves worthy in the Congress before we hand them our country lock, stock, and barrel? Let them cut their teeth keeping McCain in check. They will have the power and authority to end the Iraq conflagration without the office of the President, and could use their majority to prove themselves worthy of higher aspirations. To this point, they have done neither.

But please don't think this a McCain endorsement of any kind. I think our country would be better served with a monkey as President than any of our remaining choices (no offense to the chimpanzee community). My opinions are based on both self-preservation and the preservation of the republic.

I am a Republican in name only. Today's Republicans, as you rightly put it, bear no resemblance to the philosophy set forth by The Founders, and that is the philosophy that I endorse and represent, and hope one day that we may return to. We are fighting tooth and nail everyday to restore this philosophy to a party led astray. While others choose to abandon, many have stayed and even more have joined to rid us of the zealots and pretenders, the radical right as I call them.

That being said, my opinions on this particular issue, the housing bill, is not borne out of partisan politics but of astute observation of the body politic and the ways and means that they operate. There are many reasons for the predicaments we are in today, but to blame it on one small group is an oversimplification and shows an unwillingness to dissect and understand the overall picture.

Just one example, before I go. The Patriot Act was written during the Clinton administration. Not until 9/11 did they find the excuse to ram it through the Congress while America slept. So if 9/11 happened during the Clinton administration, would we be in the same boat today, and would we be bashing the Clintons right now?

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Don't have time right now

Don't have time right now but just wanted to say -- glad to have you back (very big grin).

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Just another example of the

Just another example of the Bush/McCain brand of Republicanism. It's OK to have friends and advisors who associate with terrorists and bad guys as long as you are a Republican.

McCain adviser rebuked for work with dictators

Clients included notorious rulers Savimbi, Marcos, Sese Seko, Siad Barre.

Remember to REELECT the FAILED POLICIES of BUSH/MCCAIN in 2008! Paying Halliburton $4566 PER SECOND in Iraq!

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Just a brief follow-up on

Just a brief follow-up on this bill. It appears that this bill was amended just prior to passing the committee.

The additional measure (S.A.F.E. Mortgage Licensing Act) calls for the establishment of a "comprehensive licensing and supervisory database" whereby "an individual may not engage in the business of loan originator without first obtaining a unique identifier". Individuals are to "furnish information concerning the applicant's identity, including fingerprints for submisson".

So all you bankers, mortgage brokers, and even real estate brokers that recieve compensation from lenders should be prepared to forfeit your "unique identifier" once this bill passes.

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You know Grif, if the dumb

You know Grif, if the dumb ass Bushie Republicans would just declare victory and get the hell out Iraq, we would have plenty of money to help our economy.

IT'S THE DAMN WAR THAT IS KILLING US LITERALLY ECONOMICALLY!

And that is exactly what Al Qaeda wants. AFter all, AMERICA taught them to use the EXACT same tactics against the Soviets.

Audit: 98% Of Iraq Contractors Failed To Comply With Fraud Regulations

This has been going on from the very beginning and it is DOWNRIGHT OBSCENE and yet the Bushies CONTINUE to IGNORE it.

So we continue to give away $4566 PER SECOND while the infrastructure of our country goes down the tubes.

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I won't argue that point,

I won't argue that point, but this discussion was about the housing bill, not the war. Besides, we won the war already. What we have now is an occupation and colonization that neither party seems capable or willing to end.

So I'll repeat...the Democrats have wasted 505 days sitting on their hands for purely political reasons. So using your calculation of the war costs, since Jan. 4 2007, the day the 110th Congress began, the Democrat Congress - you know, the ones that were elected to end this war, has cost us $199,223,712,000 and counting, 1142 lives (officially), and 7046 casualties (April and May casualty figures unavailable). More than one fourth of the total lives lost (4059) has occured since Jan. 4, 2007.

Maybe some will find this acceptable, but I don't. In this case, the end doesn't justify the means. The Democrats have betrayed us all by not seeking impeachment and continuing to fund this "war", and we seem willing to reward them with absolute control of this government.

What people also fail to realize, or choose to ignore, is the fact that many Democrats are also profiting from the war in Iraq. For instance, Diane Feinstein's husband, Richard Blum, has profited from no-bid contracts awarded by a committee in which Feinstein chaired. If you care to dig deeper I'm sure you'll find that many Democrats have interests in many of the same companies and subsidiaries that are profiting from this war, whether directly or indirectly. This is a bipartisan war and has been from the start.

But getting back to the housing bill, you have no problem with the bipartisan ((introduced by Sens. Dodd(D) and Shelby(R))) attack on personal privacy and the fourth amendment? I thought the Republicans were the only fascists we had to worry about.

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"this discussion was about

"this discussion was about the housing bill" No Grif, since I started this discussion I should know what it is about. It is about how the steal and spend Republican party of the last 14 years pays for EVERYTHING OFF THE BACKS of the poor and working man.

I have no doubt that given any other choice the Dems would not have chosen to fund a program that way and only did it in the Senate to get it to committee.

This is how the current Republican party operates. That was my entire point of the blog. YOU CHOSE to turn it into the housing bill or whatever.

All I have ever heard out of Republicans for the last 50 years is how the Dems spend to much money. Well GW Bush and his cronies have out spent probably 3 presidents put together. And what irritates me the MOST is how all during Clinton, we heard them say how we had to have a balanced budget. I believe that Senator McCain even voted in support of that. What happened?

It is totally hypocritical of them and it is totally typical of them. Sandra is correct when she asserts that the Republican party as it currently stands needs to be torn down and rebuilt the way it was originally intended.
Personally, I hope you Ron Paul Supporters take over the entire REpublican convention. Now that would make good television.

Or better yet, let's start an 3rd party...an AMERICAN PARTY...that is fiscally responsible and socially keeps out of running people's lives.

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Well a third party isn't

Well a third party isn't feasible. I prefer we throw out the infidels, as it were.

You completely miss the point I was trying to make. The money for this program has already been stolen no matter where it comes from, so the poor are being used as a tool to demonize Republicans in an election year. The article you cited was one-sided and biased to that end.

That's not to say they don't deserve it, but in this particular instance it is unfounded based purely on economic reality.

Like most issues, this isn't as simple as a one page article can convey. My desire is to sift through the superficial political nonsense and shed some light on the real effects of the policies that are enacted on our behalf.

My desire is to show people that all Republicans are not bad - not an easy task these days. George Bush has completely destroyed any chance we had of showing people that conservative ideals are both responsible and compassionate.

The Democrats idea of caring for the poor is welfarism. This is harmful and teaches people to rely on the government to take care of them. While there will always be those in need, without prosperity we will only serve to increase the ranks of the needy.

Our idea is to restore fiscal sanity through sound currency and monetary policy. Only through prosperity, and not government handouts, will the poor be able to better themselves. A rich nation is a generous nation, while a poor nation is bitter and selfish.

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If you have a cancer, you

If you have a cancer, you destroy the cancer. The republican party is and has been for the past 30 years AT LEAST infested with a Cancer of elitism (Bushes) and hypocrisy. They consort with anyone and everyone to accomplish their goals. They have no scruples yet they hold everyone else responsible and to a higher standard than themselves.

Please note the title of this thread. But hey, Don't get me wrong...you want to talk abou the Dems failures fine start another thread, I will chip in on that. But for NOW, I am going to continue to focus on the current reality in the republican party. Someone famous said, you cannot change what you do not acknowledge. Perhaps this is the hidden rot in what use to be a grand old party some 100 years or so ago.

I was raised a REpublican and still share many values with you and others here but I learned about 30 years ago that the REAL REpublican party had no use for people like me....the working poor, the average joe.

And I have listened since 1994 the Republicans talk about as different standard. Yeah, a different standard for everyone else, not themselves.

I truly wish you well in your endeavors at the Republican convention. Am I dreaming to wish you guys would submit Ron Paul's name into nomination for VP after McCain is annoited to follow in George's footsteps.

As for analyzing my words, my friend, analyze this:

Karl Rove taught us in the past 2 elections that if you say something enough times it becomes truth. So I will follow in his footsteps because I cannot idly sit by and watch the Bushies and John McCain continue the failed policies of the past.

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Siegelman On Rove: Probably

Siegelman On Rove: Probably The Most Devious, Evil Political Operative In History

This is what TODAYS REPUBLICAN PARTY is all about!

Learn from it or live with it!

You know I have heard GW called the beast as a religious reference but maybe it's really Karl! (very big grin!)

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