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May 16, 2008 - 11:56am.
Dutch cartoonist arrested for 'insulting people' Currently people can lose their jobs for speaking publicly their controversial views. I can think of well known media types that have made faux paus and suffered the consequences as well as Average Joe types that have suffered similar consequences. So I ask you are we next? Is the next step to arrest people and have the government decide if our speech crossed over the line? If I recall, isn't that one of the issues that sparked the first Revolution in this country?
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Been there, done that. Does
Submitted by silentSCREAM on May 16, 2008 - 9:52pm.Been there, done that.
Does the name Lenny Bruce ring any bells. Free speech in America? Pleeease... Ever heard of the Federal Censorship Commission a.k.a. FCC? Are you unfamiliar with their... ongoing crusade.
I was NOT aware that the FCC
Submitted by pollchecker on May 16, 2008 - 10:06pm.I was NOT aware that the FCC put anyone in jail!
Yes I am old enough to remember Lenny Bruce but I don't remember him going jail either. But then I could be having a Senior moment like John McCain.
Bruce was sentenced on
Submitted by silentSCREAM on May 16, 2008 - 10:12pm.Bruce was sentenced on December 21, 1964, to four months in the workhouse; he was set free on bail during the appeals process and died before the appeal was decided.
That is what is great about
Submitted by pollchecker on May 16, 2008 - 10:18pm.That is what is great about the internet. Instant information. I remember his death. I just didn't remember the jail stuff. So what specifically was he found guilty of? Using Obscenity? How about a history lesson for those too young to know who you are talking about.
From his Wikipedia
Submitted by silentSCREAM on May 16, 2008 - 10:37pm.From his Wikipedia profile
Legal troubles
as I said, I remembered him
Submitted by pollchecker on May 16, 2008 - 11:02pm.as I said, I remembered him dying, I just didn't remember him going to jail. If I recall, when he died my parents said something about he used bad words. I was young and my parents never used any questionable language in front of us.
I would like to point out that for there to be social change, there always has to be one person willing to sacrifice their personal liberty for the liberties of others. Rosa Parks is a great example.
However, you are correct. If it not for Lenny Bruce, comedians today would not be able to say the things that they say.
Now obscenity can be defined as a gray area. And since the community standard is suppose to define what is obscene, I can't imagine anyone going to jail for using the F word unless they used it at a cop.
In this case, a cartoonist goes to jail over his cartoon. Are you saying that his cartoon is obscene by their community's standards? I always looked at the Dutch as one of the most liberal cultures in Europe. To define this artist cartoon as obscene seems to be a very conservative stand point. Of course Islam is known for being a very conservative religion.
I guess I just wasn't aware they had taken over Europe.
North African and Middle
Submitted by silentSCREAM on May 16, 2008 - 11:44pm.North African and Middle Eastern immigrants (with their strong Islamic roots) are to Europe what Hispanics are to N. America -- cheap black-market labor. The [inhumane] inclination to exploit those of limited socio-economic status is universal.
BTW, we have hate speech laws here in America too.
hate speech laws in America.
Submitted by pollchecker on May 17, 2008 - 7:52am.hate speech laws in America. OK, enlighten us!
Several European countries
Submitted by Flapsaddle on May 17, 2008 - 2:29am.Several European countries have such "hate speech" laws. Germany for one, obviously the Netherlands, and France as well. Bridget Bardot, the sex-pot actress from the 50s and 60s, is currently under indictment in her native France for "insulting" Muslims.
One genuine exception seems to be Denmark, where the government has come down firmly on the side of press freedom in its defense of the publication of the controversial cartoons of Mohammed that caused such an uproar a couple of years ago.
Unfortunately, our own country seems to be drifting in the direction of criminalization of thought if those thoughts offend someone.
Most sincerely,
T. J. Flapsaddle
A law by any other
Submitted by silentSCREAM on May 17, 2008 - 11:52am.A law by any other name...
Case in point - the tyrannical police-state dream legislation Patiot Act. It's anything but patriotic according to the terms and spirit exhibited throughout America's founding documents; the Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution and the [Peoples] Bill of Rights.
I was mistaken in stating that we have hate speech laws in America. But we do have a close-knit cousin which may be even worse - hate crime legislation. I say damn the difference.
How can the state possibly prosecute one for 'errant' thinking, minus some evidence of the prohibited thought process having been communicated outwardly.
Can I be first? The Bush
Submitted by Direct Democracy on May 20, 2008 - 3:49am.Can I be first?
The Bush administration...
TRY 'EM & FRY 'EM