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May 14, 2008 - 5:07am.
So, Hillary Rodham Clinton won the West Virginia Democratic primary by a huge margin. And your point is? Of course she won West Virginia. Hillary was in her element, pantsuit deep in old, uneducated, white people – the kind of people who hate blacks and change and will vote for anyone as long as they’re white and willing to pander to their needs. West Virginia is a state where family trees don’t branch, where a virgin is any eight year old who can outrun her brothers, where it takes two people to eat possum because one has to watch for traffic. Sorry: Couldn’t resist. I grew up in Southwestern Virginia and West Virginia jokes flowed like moonshine (which was, at the time, our best cash crop). Do you know why West Virginia University put Astroturf in its football stadium? So the cheerleaders won’t graze at halftime. Now that we have all the state stereotypes out of the way, let’s look at some more rational reasons why Clinton’s win in wild, wonderful West Virginia doesn’t really mean all that much. The Clinton argument that she, and only she, can win swing states is stupid. You can’t compare primary results to what might or might not happen in a general election. Plus, claiming to be the candidate of choice in West Virginia is hardly a claim to fame. The state went for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004. The last Democrat to win West Virginia was her husband. Looks like the state loves bubbas, dumb ass faux Texans and bleached blonds in pantsuits. She will probably win Kentucky and Puerto Rico, another meaningless primary because PR is not a state and doesn’t count in the general election. But it doesn’t matter. Politics is a game of numbers and even a classic rules-bender like Clinton can’t make the numbers work in her favor. Obama has an insurmountable lead in all the numbers that count and no amount of posturing by her and her loudmouth campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe can change the facts. Superdelegates continue to break in Obama’s favor and a win in a hick state like West Virginia won’t change their minds. Besides, many of them are sick of Clinton and her husband. So why stay in? Numbers come into play again – numbers like $20 million in campaign debts and she needs superficial wins in West Virginia, Kentucky and Puerto Rico to try and convince enough gullible idiots to waste more money in contributions to her failed campaign. Clinton’s logic defies reality but that shouldn’t surprise anyone. She has become the George W. Bush of the Democratic Party, the serial liar who ignores the facts and tries to impose her will on a nation that has long tired of her. Clinton is history and the longer she continues her charade the more she will become an embarrassing pimple on the body politic.  Technorati Tags: The Rant Doug Thompson Barack Obama Hillary Clinton John McCain politics elections Democrats superdelegates
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At this point, Mrs. Clinton
Submitted by keith on May 14, 2008 - 8:26am.At this point, Mrs. Clinton is only remaining in the race for a stroked ego and/or to raise enough money from yet more horrifically ignorant people to pay off her massive campaign debt.
Right now, by all accounts, she owes nearly $10 Million to various people and businesses as far back as the New Hampshire primary. She's also put upwards of $12 Million of her own (and Bill's) cash into her (now clearly dysfunctional) campaign, which means, without more cash, those "loans" from her own pocket will never be paid back.
So, all the while she can continue convincing enough ignorant idiots to keep pouring money into her "sinking ship", the better her chances of completely covering her monetary losses will be.
As P.T. Barnum is reported to have once said, "There's sucker born every minute". And, the Clintons just LOVE to take advantage of suckers!
Keith says: "Of course she
Submitted by Proud WVian on May 15, 2008 - 5:36pm.Keith says: "Of course she won West Virginia. Hillary was in her element, pantsuit deep in old, uneducated, white people – the kind of people who hate blacks and change and will vote for anyone as long as they’re white and willing to pander to their needs" Let's get this straight, I have NEVER worn a pantsuit, I have a degree, I don't care about someone pandering to me, I'm smarter than that & can do my own research on the candidates to make an educated decision. And my parents taught me never to hate anyone, and I don't. I could care less what color Obama is, as long as he's qualified to do the job. Remember, not all WVian's are the same, with the same educational backgrounds, beliefs or ideas. Yes, I voted for Hillary but because I agree with her on many issues. However, if Hillary does not receive the nomination, I WILL vote for Obama....this country cannot handle four more years of a Republican.
An open letter to Hillary
Submitted by ekaton on May 14, 2008 - 8:45am.An open letter to Hillary and Bill Clinton:
Please go away. The country is tired of you. We've had 12 years of the Bushes (20 if you count the Reagan years while Ronnie slept). We've had 8 years of their cousins, Clintons. Three decades is enough. Please, all of you two clans, please, please, just go away and leave us alone.
-- Kent Shaw
Wow, Doug, I have to say I
Submitted by Jan St. Louis on May 14, 2008 - 10:39am.Wow, Doug, I have to say I always look forward to your rants, but after reading today's I literally feel like I have been kicked in the stomach. I am one of those "hicks" you wrote about from West Virginia, and, although the word is not, of course, unfamiliar to me, I have to say I am so saddened by your perpetuation of the stereotypes. As a graduate of WVU with a Master of Science, I won't even comment on the unfunny jokes.
But it's not just you. Even the so-called "Real-news networks" seemed to have gone up into the remotest "holler" they could find to seek out the ugliest, most toothless most ignorant, inbred people they could find to interview on TV to make it appear that this is what EVERYONE in WV is like. Well, surprise, surprise. We're NOT all like that. I am an older, educated white woman who actually wears shoes and I took early voting to vote for Barack Obama. I have read, and studied (a lot of it right here on CHB)and listened and watched these two candidates and I believe Hillary is super ambitious and more of the same old same old. In Obama I believe we have a chance to make this country great again and his wife Michelle has done almost as much for his case with me as he has.
And, yes, it's true that the majority of people in WV voted for Hillary because they don't want a black man they believe is a secret Muslim as President. They voted for Hillary because she is white, not because they have studied her record. If they had, they would have run screaming into the polling places yesterday to vote for Obama. I'm not denying the truth. But to come into my favorite news site and see this column this morning hurt me so much, I just want to go back to bed and weep.
I'm not going to be a diva and demand an apology from you, or keith, for "your-alls'" inflammatory statements re: West Virginians. Just remember, the next time you want to scream "racist" "sexist" or "hate-mongering" or any other ugly word to describe someone, you might want to check and make sure your own shorts are clean.
Sorry Jan. Couldn't resist
Submitted by dougthompson on May 14, 2008 - 11:23am.Sorry Jan. Couldn't resist the urge to have some fun with our neighbor to the West. When I was in high school we used to say that:
:)
Doug: I’ve done my share
Submitted by jyakubow on May 14, 2008 - 12:15pm.Doug:
I’ve done my share of good natured ribbing with my friends in W.Va., but I have to tell you that last “little jab” was just mean. What’s with that?
Jackie
Cols., Ohio
jyak
Why is it mean to say West
Submitted by dougthompson on May 14, 2008 - 1:34pm.Why is it mean to say West Virginia girls are more fun than Virginia girls? Around here that would be considered a compliment. :)
"I'm not going to be a diva
Submitted by ekaton on May 14, 2008 - 12:22pm."I'm not going to be a diva and demand an apology from you, or keith, for "your-alls'" inflammatory statements re: West Virginians."
Come on now. Thats " y'alls " and not " your-alls ".
-- Kent Shaw
As a native Texan, I'm the
Submitted by Flapsaddle on May 14, 2008 - 1:01pm.As a native Texan, I'm the butt (no pun intended or implied) of all sorts of low humor. Within the state, if one is an Aggie - a student or graduate of Texas A&M - then a subset tends to apply as well. I tend to take all of it in stride.
Since all's fair...
What do you call 144 Virginians? Gross stupidity.
What do you call 12 Virginians holding hands in a circle? A dope ring.
If you have a large tree with six Virginians out on one end of branch and a gorilla on the other end, what is the gorilla's job? Branch manager.
Why did the Virginia couple get married in a bathtub? They wanted a double-ring ceremony.
I have found during my extensive peregrinations that such humor is ubiquitous; every state has a neighbor of which the same remarks are made one way or the other. Such things also manifest themselves as ethnic "jokes". Nor is it confined to this country. Anglophone Canadians apply the same to the francophones of Quebec. In Germany, they are applied to either the French or the Poles; Greeks thus gratuitously insult Turks and the Turks return the favor. Japanese, Chinese and Koreans permute the remarks between and among themselves, etc., etc..
What our host has pointed out - in a couple of different rants, IIRC - is an ugly truth about what underlays much of the Democrat's core constituency - raw, rank racism. It's much like the Victorian attitude towards sex and sexuality; it's there, but we in polite society do not mention it conversation. The same was manifested in the Texas primary, where East Texas and the large urban areas of Houston and Dallas/Ft. Worth had large support for Obama and the western and northern areas went for Clinton.
The Democratic party has created a facade WRT race; they would like the world to think that their fecal matter is odorless, colorless and tasteless. In fact, it's so ingrained in people who appear to have some latent nostalgia toward their natal political sympathies that they will make remarks - as has our host - that 'we expect that from Republicans'. Pace, I'm in no way suggesting that our host is a racist of any form or fashion. He does recognize the truth about the so-called "Party of the People" as it refers to certain of it's vital constituencies. And it doesn't matter what state you have - especially one east of the Mississippi - that does not contain a set of poorer, less-educated, un- or under-employed white people who viscerally detest the thought of a black person being in the White House as other than part of the domestic staff. Ditto, some Republicans.
I think that Clinton is counting on that racism as a part of whatever end-game remains to her, now that the "sure thing" has disappeared. My bet is that she's counting on the power brokers in the party to swing the decision to her on the basis that Obama will cost them more white votes than he will bring in black votes.
Most sincerely,
T. J. Flapsaddle
Jan wrote: And, yes, it's
Submitted by keith on May 14, 2008 - 2:08pm.Jan wrote:
Unfortunately, Jan, all you've done here is to reinforce Doug's commentary.
And what a sad, sad commentary it is on the collective racism (born largely of ignorance) of the otherwise hard-working people of the state of West Virginia.
It is often said that we get the government we deserve. However, nowhere else in this election cycle has the truth of that statement been shown to be so absolutely true than by what we saw in the outcome of the West Virginia Democratic Primary last evening.
You've now said as much yourself.
The Clinton argument that
Submitted by Siannan on May 14, 2008 - 12:13pm.Actually, I remember hearing this argument first from John Kerry on MSNBC, when he stated "Look, Barrack Obama won Alabama, he won Mississippi, which proves he can win those states in November".
Ridiculous. He'll lose those states in November (as would Hillary have lost them, had she won them in the primary instead of Obama) and anyone who believes otherwise hasn't been paying attention to voting trends in the South.
Could Hillary win West Virginia in November? She has a better shot at it than Obama ever did, so I'd be more likely to bet a dollar or two on her winning it than I would on him, but it certainly wouldn't be a sure thing (but it ain't exactly a sure thing for McCain these days, either).
Actually, Kent, here in West
Submitted by Jan St. Louis on May 14, 2008 - 12:54pm.Actually, Kent, here in West By God, it's "yer-alls'". The apostrophe is mine.
I stand corrected! ;) --
Submitted by ekaton on May 14, 2008 - 3:01pm.I stand corrected! ;)
-- Kent Shaw
Doug......... You are
Submitted by Cobaltkid on May 14, 2008 - 5:17pm.Doug.........
You are absolutely incorrigble - but one of your better rants.
Strongly suggest you keep a sharp eye out for Sherry, she's really going to go after you for for being so mean spirited (forget that your Hillary comments are accurate) about her heroine Hillary.
It looks as though the
Submitted by ridingchick on May 14, 2008 - 5:21pm.It looks as though the Bubba strategy is still alive and well in West Virginia. I had hope that we could retire Bubba and get to the real issues at hand.
Oh well, it appears that Bubba is here to stay.
God help us all!
Obama '08
RichardKanePA I think we
Submitted by RichardKanePA on May 14, 2008 - 7:54pm.RichardKanePA
I think we should join John Edwards in stopping all this hate of Hillary.
She is a decent human being.
I too fear that she might help bin Laden make moderate Muslims think the US is their mortal enemy. But she could just as easily let Bill run her foreign policy.
She tried to appeal to whites without looking like a racist, and didn't succeed, but Obama supporters helped her fail.
As Edward's says we should be healing the Democratic Party, not looking for Hilary's blemishes.
See my blog entry on this subject.
Google RichardKanePA
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/7334
I would imagine that all
Submitted by old_curmudgeon on May 15, 2008 - 7:29am.I would imagine that all this Hillary "hate" talk would disappear if Hillary would do the party a favor and depart, as the numbers indicate she should. She might even regain some semblance of respect.
I'm beginning to think that
Submitted by DejaVuAllOver on May 15, 2008 - 3:58pm.I'm beginning to think that Harvard's ex-president Larry Summers' comments (which got him cannned) about women not being good at math might just be true. While I understand that Hillary's supporters are passionate about their candidate, what is so bloody difficult about accepting the fact that Obama is kicking her butt in every rational measure imaginable? Or rather, is feminism such an obsessive, compulsive all-consuming philosophy that electing a woman is all that matters? Can women use the other side of their brain long enough to see that Hillary is a scary individual whos hard-right voting record and numerous mind-numbingly inane comments just might not be so great for this country, now in the grip of fascism, at this point in history? A rhetorical question. Feel free to not respond.
McLizard, Shillary or
Submitted by Direct Democracy on May 15, 2008 - 10:13pm.McLizard, Shillary or SmoovB...
That's IT?
Direct Democracy