Amid an increasing tidal wave of calls for her to get the hell out of the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination, Hillary Rodham Clinton and her equally adamant former President husband make a clear that they have no intention of dropping their bitter fight and intend to take it to the end, no matter how contentious or damaging to their party.
Anyone who thinks the Clintons will give up at this point doesn't understand the monumental ego of the couple or their desire to fulfill their own ambitions at any cost.
That ego dictates that their wishes and their wishes alone guide their destiny even if those wishes destroy their party and cost Democrats a chance to recapture the White House.
Writes Dan Balz in The Washington Post:
Sen. Patrick Leahy has gone where no Democratic leader has dared go. It's time, the Vermont senator said, for Hillary Clinton to get out of the presidential race.
"She ought to withdraw and she ought to be backing Senator Obama," he told Vermont Public Radio.
Clinton's campaign has spent the past two weeks trying to fight off such talk.
The New York senator has argued her case that there are still 10 contests left on the calendar and that millions of Democrats deserve to be heard. She has argued that neither she nor Obama can hit the magic threshold of 2,024 delegates without the help of uncommitted superdelegates.
She has argued -- correctly -- that pledged delegates aren't actually legally pledged to any candidate and can switch sides.
In every way possible, her campaign is trying to keep open any avenue that would help preserve a path to the nomination.
Some of her leading fundraisers have tried to intimidate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi into backing away from comments widely interpreted as sympathetic to Obama. Her advisers continue to look for a solution that will bring Florida and particularly Michigan voters back into play.
Those advisers have continued to seed doubts about Obama's strength as a general election candidate.
The bitterness and frustration on both sides is growing.
Near-daily conference calls by the two campaigns heap invective upon invective. Even if most of what is said on those calls is quickly lost to history, their fevered nature enlarges the gulf that eventually will have to be bridged once there is a nominee.
Clinton's outright lies about being "under fire" in Bosnia bring more examination of her other ludicrous claims as well as examination by American allies who find the New York Senator lacking in both honesty and qualifications.
Writes Michael Carmichael of Canada's Center for Research on Globalization:
In actual point of fact, Senator Hillary Clinton’s bold campaign to become the first woman to be nominated for the presidency by a major party has already failed. The arithmetic of the nomination procedure no longer supports her endgame strategy.
The Clinton campaign could be charitably described as the “walking wounded,” but the prognosis is actually quite grave.
The political wounds Senator Clinton has sustained render her campaign untenable.
The bottom line is now crystal clear: Senator Clinton is no longer viable as a presidential candidate.
The only circumstance in which the situation could be reversed to her benefit would be the retirement or disappearance of Senator Barack Obama.
In other words, the Clinton campaign is now in the posture of political parties in states ruled by warlords, dictators and military juntas. Her opponent has won the electoral contest, so now they are hoping for an unpredictable intervention of fate – or force.
In the past two days, I have received a torrent of emails from many concerned Democrats from Los Angeles to London despairing of the continued onslaught against Senator Obama by the dreadnought but delusional campaign of Senator Clinton. Many Democrats are equally concerned about the mis-statements from Senator Clinton herself, a development that would immediately curtail any serious political ambition by a major candidate in a modern European democracy.
Senator Clinton’s description of her experience with the sniper in the Balkans has opened a virtual Pandora’s Box of scrutiny that is now flooding the internet with critical examinations of the minutiae of many other instances when her accounts differed from the known facts.
None other than Carl Bernstein of Watergate fame is leading this phase of incisive criticism of Senator Clinton’s personal veracity in what is becoming a very unseemly campaign.
The problem, as one former Clinton cabinet member points out, is that the Clintons feel they are "entitled" to the nomination and that anyone who questions that entitlement is a traitor to the cause.
Reports The Associated Press:
An adviser to Senator Hillary Clinton is refusing to apologize for comparing New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson to Judas.
James Carville made the comparison to The New York Times after Richardson – once a member of former president Bill Clinton's cabinet – endorsed Clinton rival Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination last week .
Carville called it an "act of betrayal," and pointed out that it came around Holy Week.
He said: "Richardson's endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out (Jesus) for 30 pieces of silver."
He added that the timing was "appropriate, if ironic."
Richardson told "Fox News Sunday" over the weekend that he wouldn't respond by getting "in the gutter like that."
"That's typical of many of the people around Senator Clinton," Richardson said on Fox. "They think they have a sense of entitlement to the presidency."
And where does Bill Clinton stand on all this? Reports MSNBC:
Just in case you were wondering what Hillary Clinton's No. 1 fan thinks of recent calls for her to drop out of the race for the Democratic nomination, Bill Clinton has three words for you: "Bunch of Bull."
"All these people tell you, 'Aw, we oughta shut this thing down now; the Democrats are so divided,'" Clinton said at a campaign event here. "That’s a bunch of bull."
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I used to have respect for
Submitted by pollchecker on March 29, 2008 - 8:37am.I used to have respect for both the Clintons.
However, it has gotten to the point that the Clintons have lived up to every bad thing ever said about either one of them.
Hillary is hurting herself more than anyone else. Either she thinks this is her only shot to be President or someone is giving her really bad information.
I don't feel Hillary should
Submitted by sherry on March 29, 2008 - 9:39am.I don't feel Hillary should bow out. Money is still coming into the campaign and people are still voting for her. Why should she bow out?
When her campaign is over, I will go to work for the McCain campaign with passion. Why? I trust Obama as far as I could pick him up and throw him.
I have put up with 8 years of being told I am un American because I detest his policies. I have no intention of voting for a man who yanks the race card every time he gets in the soup.
Sherry - you're not making
Submitted by Janet on March 29, 2008 - 3:26pm.Sherry - you're not making any sense at all. How do they even let you out of the house in the morning?
If you've been told for the last 8 years that you're un-American if you disagree with policies, it's from the Bush/Cheney administration, Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, not Barack Obama. Barack Obama has never called anyone un-American or anything else if they disagree with him. Obama listens to everyone and respects all opinions. Obama hasn't even been around the national scene for 8 years. So what are you talking about?
If you vote for McCain, my friend, you are merely extending Bush's policies and you'll continue to be called un-American if you want to end the war or stop the real Al Queda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. McCain wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years and invade Iran too, my friend. And then there's the economy, my friend...McCain knows diddly squat about the economy, by his own admission, my friend, and it shows every time he opens his mouth, my friend. He has already said he wouldn't do anything to intervene in this economic and housing crisis, my friend. So why would you want to vote for him, my friend? And do you really think you can listen to 4 years of "my friend"?
As for Barack Obama playing the race card, that also is ludicrous. Obama has never played the race card. If anything, he has transcended race and tried to avoid talking about race. It is the Clinton campaign that has played the race card. It is the idiots on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh that have played the race card. It is the redneck morons who keep spreading lies about Obama's religion and patriotism through false e-mails. It is the right wingnuts and the media who endlessly play Reverend Wright's hate remarks. Obama didn't start that. Do you really think he wants that kind of attention? Obama has had to respond to these malicious attacks, but has never brought up race himself. His stunnigly excellent speech on race was in response to the Wright videos and the false e-mails. Maybe you should actually listen to his speeches instead of getting your "news" from the Clinton campaign.
Not sure why you trust Hillary. She has shown her ability to look you in the face and lie about her experience. She has shown that she will negatively attack and destroy anyone who gets in her way to the presidency. She has shown her audacity of hopelessness by offering Obama the VP slot, when it is she who is trailing in popular vote, delegates and states won. It is Hillary who is showing that she will be a dictator like Bush, by suggesting that Superdelegates and even pledged delegates should ignore the will of the people and vote for her even though the people are voting for Obama. It's reminiscent of Cheney's response "So?" when told that 68% of Americans are against the Iraq War.
BTW, I used to like the Clintons - I thought Bill was a great president- but after seeing how badly Hillary has run her campaign, how she has lied about her "experience", and how she is willing to take the party and the country down with her if she doesn't get her entitlement, I have changed my opinion of the Clintons.
If she is nominated, I will have to hold my nose and vote for her, as you should for Obama, because the most important thing is to elect a Democratic president and a Democratic majority in congress and not a third term for Bush via John McCain.
Fortunately Sherry, your
Submitted by Pangaea on March 29, 2008 - 10:48am.Fortunately Sherry, your passion's going to ultimately leave you disappointed.
Perhaps between now and then you could take the opportunity to drop the programmed rhetoric . . . and adopt the practice of actually thinking before you speak. I wouldn't worry about being labeled "un-American". You absolutely fit the great American model of openly embracing fear, repeating rather than thinking . . . and going to great lengths to assure us that your character is buttressed by ignorance and outright dishonesty. You go girl!
Freedom and Justice for
Submitted by claypigeonbx on March 29, 2008 - 11:21am.Freedom and Justice for All!
In order to bow out now, Hillary would have to put our nation's needs ahead of her own ambition. If she were to do that, I would be ecstatic and amazed! And then I would have to start apologizing for a lot of the things I have said and thought about her.
Seems to me, right now, the rest of us need to focus on damage control. May Obama and his supporters continue to hold to the high road and focus their criticism on McCain! Clinton can't be stopped, but I think she can be marginalized. She may even be counted on to help that happen as her desperation deepens.
NY_Grandma I used to respect
Submitted by Emhenry1 on March 29, 2008 - 12:27pm.NY_Grandma I used to respect the Clintons and I tried to excuse every accusation that was thrown their way. I can no longer defend either of their actions of late. I am extremely disappointed in the way they have attacked Obama with dirty tricks, racial innuendos and outright misrepresentations. For the good of the pary, she needs to pull out now so we can focus on getting the White House back.
Emhenry. I never had much
Submitted by Sandra Price on March 29, 2008 - 1:00pm.Emhenry. I never had much respect for the Clintons as I had read a lot about their Arkansas days and found them corrupt. I could never vote for Bush41 as he wanted our America to become an Empire. I got approached by the Ross Perot people and drove to Santa Barbara to meet up with them and him. He too was against the Empire building and was extremely against NAFTA which had been written up by Bush 41. Clinton won the gold ring and his character did not improve. He was a political personality and as corrupt as they come. When the blue dress was turned into the investigations, the Social Conservatives in the Congress got together and impeached him on lying to the Federal government. It was triggered by the blue dress and for some reason Ken Starr focused only on the adultery. I wrote against the impeachment unless it would focus on the security information given to China by Clinton himself. It was a red flag waved in front of the Evangelicals who wanted to ban adultery. It would clean out the entire congress.
I have to admit he kept our debts down and even managed (with a Republican Congress) to make money in our government. When Governor Bush of Texas was the candidate for the GOP I nearly went mad. The hypocrisy of his Governorship was horrible. But the religious right brought him into the white house. I shudder to think that another Clinton would ever enter that white house again. Hillary even had some furniture delivered to her home and the Government made her return it. They do nothing legally. It is a terrible character flaw that is common in D.C.
I have a fear of Obama's socialistic ideas but more fear of McCain. I have had to think about whether a McCain warrior or a socialistic Democrat should be the next president. I have chosen Obama as I believe he is smart enough to control the federal power over all of us and simply improve the standards of our dealings with other nations and our own massive problems. I do not trust the federal government in any way; I never did but 8 years of Bush 43 has just about destroyed my respect for America.
I live in the desert and feel as if I have a basement full of scorpions and an attic full of rattlesnakes. I'm in the middle and have no idea which is worse.
I heard a rumor that New York wants to fire their new Governor and put Hillary in the State Governor's house. Oy!
Bruno would eat her up
Submitted by Elmo on March 29, 2008 - 1:07pm.Bruno would eat her up faster than he would a potato chip.
"I heard a rumor that New
Submitted by Janet on March 29, 2008 - 3:39pm."I heard a rumor that New York wants to fire their new Governor and put Hillary in the State Governor's house. Oy!"
Sometimes you can really make me laugh, Sandra. That's funny - you don't look Jewish! I love your dry humor. Listen, if it will encourage Hillary to drop out of the race, I'm all for it. In reality, she would have to RUN for guv in a special election, possibly against Rudy Guiliani. Double Oy! Just what NY needs - another scandal-ridden governor who not ony cheated on his wife, and announced his divorce to the public before notifying her, but shacked up with his mistress in the mayor's mansion, while his wife was still iving there.
No More Go-Girl-Go-Hillary!
Submitted by Klaus Hergeschimmer on March 29, 2008 - 1:17pm.No More Go-Girl-Go-Hillary! Don't Go-Girl-Go!
Hillary Fur Toiletten
Submitted by Klaus Hergeschimmer on March 29, 2008 - 1:27pm.Hillary Fur Toiletten Aufseherin (In die Hausen -Yo![YA!])
(heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh
-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh
-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh!!!)
When I read people's
Submitted by Carl Nemo on March 29, 2008 - 7:19pm.When I read people's comments on CHB who are still enamoured with the Clinton's to any degree it leaves me somewhat stunned, but not surprised. With all the revelations concerning their activities over the years, not just from myself and others on this site, but what's available on the web and elsewhere; it causes me grave concern as to where this once great nation is headed;ie., evidently to the bottom!
We live in Orwellian times where our value system has become "gray scale" in nature. There is no such thing as right vs. wrong, white vs. black, or even daytime vs. nightime. Everything is analyzed in a relative fashion which is highly dangerous when it comes to our personal and national safety.
When it comes to the Clintons and even the Bushista's, their less than discriminating following seems to engage in "new age" rationalizations: "Let's not point fingers", "others do it too", and no doubt it's time for Barney hugs. And in the end it will be a "win-win" for all...not!
All of the aformentioned euphemisms and behavior represent the times in which we live as far as I'm concerned. In the 19th century the citenzry would have been shouting "get a rope...hang'em high!" or they'd be heating up the tar bucket, breaking open a pillow and looking for a rail...! Of course that's when America was on the gold standard too. : |
In addition to Big Pharm desensitizing the masses the rest can probably be blamed on the water, food, environment and a general degeneration of values.
The American electorate have become less than discerning "chickenheads" to say the least and will assuredly get the government they so sorely deserve...! :|
Carl Nemo **==
Hey Carl, I think with the
Submitted by Klaus Hergeschimmer on March 29, 2008 - 1:30pm.Hey Carl, I think with the Clintons, there even pushing for Britney Spears Hugs!!! :)
Did anyone see John Cusak on
Submitted by pollchecker on March 29, 2008 - 2:04pm.Did anyone see John Cusak on Bill Maher last night? He was talking about the qualities he would like to see in the next president. Good Stuff!
John Cusak on Realtime with Bill Maher talking about qualities of a president
It's a truly popcorn moment,
Submitted by Flapsaddle on March 29, 2008 - 3:23pm.It's a truly popcorn moment, isn't it?
Just three months ago, the reverend talking heads of the church of conventional wisdom had anointed Clinton as the next prophet(ess) and president - Obama was just a nice, well-spoken young black man famous for nothing - and declared that the primaries and the caucuses were just pro forma. Clinton was it, and she'd beat McCain in a heartbeat.
Now, the future looks very, very different. The critical delegates from Michigan and Florida are apparently no longer available to either side. Clinton is darn near broke, her campaign is in shambles, and she is behind in the delegate count and looking more vulnerable with each new voter poll. The formerly-dismissed junior senator from Illinois is flush with cash, he leads in delegates and in the polls and he has handled his one or two missteps with considerable skill. McCain has the GOP nomination virtually locked and shows increasing strength among polls of voters. The public looks on at the continuing public urinating contest between Clinton and Obama and cannot help but wonder if a Democrat is really a choice in November.
Now, the elder statesmen of the Democratic party have decided, is panic time. Clinton was by now supposed to have been confirmed and lining up McCain in her sights for the election battle - but instead she is in the process of losing a bitter, mud-slinging, race-torn whore-house brawl with Obama. Very likely the tribal elders of the party are now seriously concerned that the public might perceive the divisive contest as indicative of what the Democrats will bring to the next administration. John McCain, whatever his faults may easily appear to the public as definitely the lesser of what ever evil the Democratic party will vomit up for the general election.
But the problem is ego, specifically the Clinton ego. She cares nought for her party or the nation - like that disfunctional collection of mediocrities foisted off on the nation as our "royal family", it is all about self. Clinton feels that she is owed a presidency, something she has looked toward virtually all of her adult life, something she wanted so badly she made a Faustian bargain of putting up with a priapic life-partner who has regularly and deeply hurt and humiliated her, just so that she might stand on the platform some crisp January morning, raise her right hand and say "I, Hillary Clinton, do solemnly swear..."
Well, the elders of the party have a problem, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. Clinton and Obama squabble like a couple of school-yard bullies while McCain - not really that appealing - looks at least not as bad as the Democrat offering. Clinton will not likely give up; she will take this to the bitter end. To her, she would rather the party lose an election than she lose or give up the nomination.
Most sincerely,
T. J. Flapsaddle
As usual TJF, great imagery
Submitted by Carl Nemo on March 30, 2008 - 9:17am.As usual TJF, great imagery along with spot-on analysis...! :))
Carl Nemo **==
p.s. You piqued my taste for popcorn, so I made some too. ; )
Thank you, Carl. However,
Submitted by Flapsaddle on March 30, 2008 - 3:13pm.Thank you, Carl. However, beware of the fact that we will have so any more popcorn moments between now and November that we may start suffering from overdoses of sodium and cholesterol. ];-)
Most sincerely,
T. J. Flapsaddle
I predict ( or wishfully
Submitted by Janet on March 29, 2008 - 3:57pm.I predict ( or wishfully think) that it will be over in early May after PA, NC and IN have their primaries. If Hillary doesn't win big in all 3, she will be under so much pressure that she will have to drop out. I would bet that negotiations for a graceful and rewarded exit are going on as we speak.
NC will go for Obama. IN, like Iowa, borders IL and is in the Chicago media radius. He could have a good chance there. I live in PA and Obama has really started to mobilize here. There are 1000 people being bussed in from Chicago to help canvass. In fact, this weekend is a big door-to-door canvassing. He may not win the state, but I think it will be much closer than you think. Interestingly, 2 or 3 weeks ago, I e-mailed Senator Casey and after selecting the topic, Intelligence, from a menu for the subject (because there was no "Other"), asked for him to do the intelligent thing and endorse Obama. Apparently I wasn't the only one to encourage him. As the son of a very popular late guv Casey, and a Roman Catholic, his endorsement and 6 day road trip with Obama is impactful.
A grassroots Obama office opened down the street from me, and I stopped in yesterday to sign up for volunteering. There were a few other white females over 50, like myself, volunteering there. A female friend of mine, also over 50, changed her lifelong Republican registration so she could vote for Obama. There's something in the air here. Stay tuned.
I want to add that the more
Submitted by Janet on March 29, 2008 - 4:16pm.I want to add that the more people call for Hillary to drop out, the more the Clintons will dig in their heels and stay in the race. She and Bill can be as stubborn as Dumbya.
Hillary and Bill will not drop out under pressure in disgrace, you guys all know that. If the Dem leaders want Hillary to drop out, they need to let her think it's her own idea, and dangle a carrot that will allow her to drop out gracefully. Calling for her to drop out publically only makes it worse.
When the New York Mob's
Submitted by Stratocaster on March 29, 2008 - 5:23pm.When the New York Mob's choice for President vs. the Chicago Mob's choice for President, there is no quitting. I'm just wondering if the bookies are making odds on who gets whacked first.
Well, I couldn't find odds
Submitted by Stratocaster on March 29, 2008 - 6:39pm.Well, I couldn't find odds on someone being whacked, but assissinate Obama is one of the top 100 searches on Google,
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/thebigblog/arch...
and there are several reports that I haven't verified floating around about Hillary meeting with hit men.
By publishing this, you are
Submitted by Janet on March 29, 2008 - 7:22pm.By publishing this, you are only propagating such a horrible thought. Is that really the most responsible thing to do? As the blog said, most of the searches are due to the published article, and hopefully, are from people worried about it, not intending or wanting it.
One would think there are a lot of right wingnut Hillary and Bill haters who would have the same thing in mind.
The "A" word is a reality we
Submitted by Flapsaddle on March 30, 2008 - 3:37pm.The "A" word is a reality we have to deal with. In the last century there were two presidential assassinations and attempts on numerous others. It has to be in the minds of just about everyone, and I suspect it is of special concern to Obama's security detail. Unlike Scarlet O'Hara in Gone with the Wind, we do not have the option of saying that we will not think about this today but wait until tomorrow to worry. Unlike the Victorian attitude toward sex, we cannot dismiss it as something not discussed in polite society.
The possibility of assassination exists for all three candidates, perhaps more so for Obama, and we have to understand that reality. Assassins have their own peculiar logic, so its not necessarily a case of someone on the right wanting it. I believe that you can make a case, a somewhat rationally convouted one, for a liberal type to take a whack at either Clinton or Obama.
Most sincerely,
T. J. Flapsaddle
I know it's reality, and it
Submitted by Janet on March 30, 2008 - 6:06pm.I know it's reality, and it scares me. I think there are some racists out there who are planning it already. I was just saying that to link people to it might not be all that responsible. I'm sure the secret service are all over Obama like a cheap blanket. You can see them surrounding him when he shakes hands with the crowds.
I've never seen a liberal assasinate anyone. I've heard no hate talk from anyone promoting assassination of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney or John McCain. I'm one who believes that right wing conspiracies killed JFK, RFK and MLK.
In fact, if you listen to talk radio, it is always the right wing hosts who promote the hate and propulgate the lies. It's never the liberal hosts on NPR.
She shouldn't quit until
Submitted by acf on March 29, 2008 - 8:04pm.She shouldn't quit until Obama wins enough elected delegates to clinch the nomination, or the delegate spread among elected delegates becomes wide enough that no reasonable person could imagine the supers swinging the nomination to her at the convention, and I won't bother to go into the reasons, composition of, and machinations of the super delegate group. This is Obama's nomination to lose. All he has to do is win the delegates necessary to win, not unlike the electoral votes he would have to do in the Fall.
The longer this contest
Submitted by keith on March 30, 2008 - 2:05pm.The longer this contest drags on, the more the Clintons expose themselves as horrifically unfit to govern. Clearly, they are unwilling (and/or unable) to put the welfare of the Democratic Party (let alone the country!) above their own.
Mrs. Clinton's publicly televised promise on the eve of the Potomac primaries that there would be "no new scandals" involving her husband was telling. The fact that she was even asked the question should speak volumes to any rational voter. Does our country REALLY want (or need) four more years of a philandering "first husband" in the White House?
All the mistakes, all the leaks, all the reported fiscal irresponsibility and infighting in her camp, and the desperation she is now showing are simply the inevitable outcome of a campaign that is falling farther and farther behind...and will continue to do so right up until the time she is finally forced out of the race.
Explanations are not excuses, and it's growing increasingly harder for Mrs. Clinton to argue that her "experience" and "electoral discipline" set her apart from Mr. Obama when the largest organization she's ever run…her own Presidential campaign…is listing so badly and exhibiting a reality so far from its high-sounding rhetoric as to be laughable.
In one of her speeches in Ohio, Mrs. Clinton launched yet another broadside against Mr. Obama by saying that "while words matter, the best words in the world aren't enough unless you match them with action."
I wholeheartedly agree!
And, while you are speaking of "action", Mrs. Clinton, there are several businesses here in New Hampshire that STILL haven't been paid for the goods and services they provided to your campaign before, during and after the New Hampshire Primary. The Primary was held in early January. It's now almost April. How about a little "action" to pay your campaign bills, Mrs. Clinton?
Accoring to a recent story by Kenneth Vogel in POLITICO, New Hampshire businesses aren't the only ones being left holding the bag:
What's more Mrs. Clinton, you promised all of us that you would release your prior year tax returns. That was back before Super Tuesday. It's now nearly a month later and we have yet to see any of them.
The REAL problem for Mrs. Clinton is that Mr. Obama HAS matched his words with actions and has been rewarded with votes. It's HER campaign that rests on an increasingly precarious foundation of empty words and unfulfilled promises. It's HER campaign that needs to start demonstrating results to match its rhetoric.
So far, NONE of that has happened.
Janet, I have the map of
Submitted by Sandra Price on March 30, 2008 - 11:12am.Janet, I have the map of Scotland on my face with a touch of Cherokee from my Great-great grandfather picking up an orphaned baby in Oklahoma on his way to Deseret (Salt Lake City). However both my sons-in-law are Jewish as is my best friend. I find them all refreshing in their ethics and morals. I often celebrate the Jewish celebrations through music. I have no belief in any God but love the music of all celebrations.
Flapsaddle, one of these days you might see the reason that our founders wanted a separation of church and state.
They felt the first amendment was good enough. The religiousd right are aiming at our government and we might be doomed as another failed nation. I have never met a Christian who didn't have their eye on our Federal Government. Those Prohibitions that came from Falwell, Robertson and Alan Keyes are still very much a part of the GOP agenda.
McCain is playing a low profile on the bans but will be forced into admitting he is behind them 100% He will appoint Christian Supreme Court justices and that will make a mockery of our Justice Department. Two or more prohibitions are now being discussed and again alcohol and tobacco along with gun control are heading the discussions.
It shows us that Americans need the Orwellian Big Daddy to tell them what not to do. I would rather see our government close up and turn everything over to the states. Our National Guards will protect us from attacks from other nations.
The Pentagon has failed us because they could not train their employees well enough and we are being run by Contractors. The CIA has completely lost the respect of the American people because they take their orders from the White House and the drug cartels. Since 1988 our federal government has flopped around in a growing corruption that has destroyed us. In 2000 the religious right tried to change our Constitutional Republic into a Theocracy.
But what has done more harm than anything, are people who play funny with the circumstances. You get a great joy out of America losing the respect of the people. "Taint Funny McGee." I remember that from radio.
This is serious shit and your brand of humor is sad. Have you any serious thoughts and actions on where we go from here? How many times have I asked you that?
Sandra wrote: It shows us
Submitted by keith on March 30, 2008 - 1:36pm.Sandra wrote:
Sandra, this is precisely what should have been happening all along!
The Founding Fathers said as much when they wrote that idea into 10th Amendment to our Constitution. To wit:
FAR too many Congresses and Presidents have conveniently forgotten (or have ignored) the true meaning of those words. And, it's long past the time that WE gave them all a lesson in what our Constitution (which they all swore to uphold) REALLY says!
I'm not sure what point(s)
Submitted by Flapsaddle on March 30, 2008 - 4:53pm.I'm not sure what point(s) you are trying to make.
Nowhere in this thread have I addressed the subject of SOCS, nor has any other poster done so either; therefore, why the non sequitur and unsupported inference that I am somehow hostile to the notion? How would this be germane to the thread topic - the Clinton ego?
Politics, even "serious" politics is a great source of humor and a keen insight into the human condition. While I am most certainly not placing myself in their category, I'd like to point out that Sam Clemens and Will Rogers were humorists who regularly and mercilessly pilloried the political scene and the pompous who inhabited it. I take no great pleasure in what is happening on the American scene, but I see no harm in pointing out the humor - albeit rather black humor - to be found in it.
Solutions? I think that any really reasonable person understands both the problem and the solution. They certainly do not need my solemn pronouncements for them to see the light - nor do I need theirs. Some regard the internet as a political tool, to be used only for informing the government of our desires; OTOH, I see it primarily as a very open communication tool applied whenever people who want to discuss whatever they want, whenever they want, with whomever they want.
If people want to discuss the problems or just read about the ideas of others here on the internet, then well and good; however, there is no silver bullet to be found in here in the electronic ether. If people want to herd-up, gabble in little kaffee-klatches, pass action-items and petitions back and forth or e-mail their congress-critters, more power to them - but the fact that I choose not to do so hardly makes me unamerican or unconcerned.
Simply acknowledge my the right not to be part of the herd and not bound to attend the official pep rallies and two-minute hates ordered by those who would convert the net to their private political use.
Most sincerely,
T. J. Flapsaddle
Hillary should NOT drop out,
Submitted by JudyB on March 30, 2008 - 2:32pm.Hillary should NOT drop out, to do so would be to discount all those who have supported her with their donations and their votes. This is by NO WAY a one sided race regardless of what some would lead you to believe...if it were, it would be understandable for one to drop out. The Democrats have two very good candidates and the race is close because of it. This political race is democracy in action, and it should run its course at intended.
I hate this damned Bush/Cheney war and everything about it, so for me, McCain will NEVER be an option. As a result of our having horrific criminal leadership (dictatorship) for the past 7+yrs, our nation is trillons of dollars in debt, and the economy is dire and getting worse daily....WE ABSOLUTELY NEED A CHANGE.
Both of the Democratic candidates are promising they can bring us that change. There is NO Way that any one candidate will be able to keep all of their promises but, they can and must at least begin to get this nation started back on the right track if it is going to survive. I have a gut feeling that whomever is elected will never be allowed get by with what the current admistration has..and if they fail to bring about change ASAP, they will face the wrath that now exists in every American taxpayer across the land.