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March 24, 2008 - 9:16am

The pledge of allegiance ends with the following words....

"with Liberty and Justice for all."

But that doesn't exist in America today anymore. Honestly!

Our justice system offers liberty and justice for those with money for a good attorney. The more money you spend, the more justice you get.

We have many examples of this. Just look at celebrity trials in Los Angeles. The bigger the celebrity, the more money they spend on thier attorneys and the more justice you get.

I experience this myself many years ago when my youngest son was part of the system. I watched poor parents who could no afford an attorney, fall victimes to this system. Their children did not get justice. They could not afford it. Myself, I couldn't afford it either, but thankfully I managed through family ties to obtain a very good attorney.

Those who pushed back in our justice system by paying for an attorney, got a lot more justice than those who didn't.

Now today, it has expanded into our health care system. The headlines say it plainly:

Gap in Life Expectancy Widens for the Nation

or this......

Can wealth affect health?

There have been plenty of studies that have documented that people without health insurance, go to the doctor later and therefore die earlier than those without health insurance.

The Declaration of Independence proclaim that one of our inalienable rights is Life. The steal and spend Republicans have spent the last 30 years trying to legislate a right to life. And yet they consistently block attempts at fair and reasonable plans to provide all of our citizens access to health insurance.

All they offer are tax breaks. Let me tell you a little secret.....TAX BREAKS ONLY WORK FOR PEOPLE WITH MONEY....preferably LOTS OF MONEY! Tax breaks will not get 40 million uninsured people on the insurance rolls and a chance at the same type of healthy life, that the other 260 million people have.

These 40 million people are mostly the working poor. People who work for small business but don't get any employee benefits.....because businesses are not required to even provide access to health insurance.

In 1976, minimum wage was approx $3/hr. Thirty years later it is approx $6/hr. If companies can require regular attendance as a condition of employment, then they also need to provide those employees access to the means to be healthy so they can have regular attendance.

So companies should either provide the insurance for their employees or pay a decent enough wage for their employees to buy their own. If we did this, then there would a lot less people without insurance.

But under the steal and spend Republican party, the rich get richer, the poor gets poorer, and the Middle Class that pays the vast majority of all the taxes grows smaller and smaller yet.

Here are some interesting statistics to prove my point:

Americans who report good health

Under $20,000: 37%
$20,000-$40,000: 47%
$40,000-$60,000: 56%
$60,000-$80,000: 62%
Over $80,000: 71%

Americans diagnosed with diabetes

Under $20,000: 13.9%
$20,000-$40,000: 12.8%
$40,000-$60,000: 12%
$60,000-$80,000: 8.5%
Over $80,000: 6.5%

Source: National Center for Health Statistics

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Here is more information,

Here is more information, proving my point. When do we stand up for what is right? Check this out:

Sticker shock a side effect of cancer remedies, As chemo prices rise, doctors get first guidelines on discussing affordability

You’ve just been diagnosed with cancer, and the doctor is discussing treatment options. Should the cost be a deciding factor?

Chemotherapy costs are rising so dramatically that later this year, oncologists will get their first guidelines on how to have a straight talk with patients about the affordability of treatment choices, a topic too often sidestepped.

“These are awkward discussions,” says Dr. Allen Lichter of the American Society of Clinical Oncology, which is writing the guidelines. “At least we can bring this out in the open.”

Should the cost REALLY be a deciding factor?

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Here's an idea whose time is

Here's an idea whose time is come.

Let's base the cost of health insurance on BMI.

It would be annually calculated on weight, height, waist measurement and blood pressure. There would be 3 categories: healthy, bad, dangerous. There would be no differences between male/female, old/young, past history, etc).

People who are in the healthy category, pay the least. People who are in the dangerous category, pay the most.

Then stand back and watch how fast the obesity epidemic in America changes!

They have proven that eating the right foods and regularly exercising (even if it's only walking)can reverse disease and aging.

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There's a problem with BMI

There's a problem with BMI though: it isn't accurate enough due to the difference in muscle and fat density and also bone frame type. Here's an example:
A very close female friend is 5'3" with a very large frame for her height (her wrists are over 8" around, which which is considered large for a 6'0" man) and is quite muscular resulting in a weight of 175. Her BMI is 31.0. Greater than 30 is considered obese, but she looks like the high end of average (most people guess her weight at ~130, which gives a BMI of 23.0).

I think it would be possible to standardize a measure that took muscle:fat ratio and also bone frame into account. This new measure could replace BMI in your system and I'd be fine with it since it would meet your goals but also be fair to more people.

--Jarrod

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"But that doesn't exist in

"But that doesn't exist in America today anymore."
Anymore? Never. The idea that all classes of people ever got equal treatment under the law in the U.S. is pure mythology. It may be worse now than before, but there has never been equal treatment.

--Jarrod

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Well then what is the point

Well then what is the point in reciting the pledge of allegiance? It clearly ends with the words...with liberty and justice for all.

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It's just brainwashing. To

It's just brainwashing.

To quote a recent CA court decision:
"A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare."
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/B19...

--Jarrod
P.S. I tried to reply with this a few days ago, but it wouldn't let me.

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Yeah, Karl hates it when I

Yeah, Karl hates it when I write the truth (hahahahahaha)!

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More examples of class

More examples of class warfare in health care! Check this out!

Free drug samples cost more in the long run

Patients given freebies spend nearly 40 percent more on meds, study says

Who gets the bulk of free meds? The working poor and the uninsured.

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Super-Rich Actually See

Super-Rich Actually See Wealth Grow

Wealth held by rich investors with assets over $1 million is set to grow 50 percent in the next five years to $75 trillion, according to a report published on Thursday.

The study by management consultancy Oliver Wyman found that the annual growth rate of wealth held by high net worth individuals is expected to slow to nine percent in the next five years as tougher market environment bites.

Global wealth held by rich clients grew by an annual 12 percent over the past five years to 2007 to $50 trillion thanks to a bull run in stock markets.

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Of course there's justice

Of course there's justice for all (at differing rates). Having been a trial lawyer for over thirty years, half of my practice is pro bono. Go look it up. I give at the office. I have to lay part of the blame on the judicial system. If a litigant, criminal or civil, is out-gunned by the opposition, the judge is SUPPOSED to level the playing field but, in my experience, that only happens in a very small percentage of cases with a very small percentage of judges from the most complex litigation to the most banal parking ticket.

A great example is traffic court. We've all fought a traffic ticket on occasion. But the general public doesn't really know how simply because they don't know the law. THAT is understandable. If you go into court saying "I wasn't speeding" and the officer says you were, you lose. That's a given today. And for a variety of reasons, it shouldn't be.

But the two most important reasons are 1) in theory, the people (represented by the officer in court) are required to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. So taking one person's word (the officer) over another (the defendant)with nothing more simply flies in the face of the whole concept of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" (which does, by the way, apply to traffic infractions as well as felony murder cases).

Secondly, judges see these same officers in court every day. Many judges know them by their first name and the very last thing they want to do is decide impartially. The bottom line is that they don't. Period. Also, you have to factor in the economics. Red light camera cases and speeding cases are cash cows for the agency prosecuting them so of course they're biased in favor of the establishment and without an attorney or thoroughly researched law, you don't stand a chance where I usually win over 95% of those cases and it's not because I'm any smarter than you, it's just that I know the law.

But it is, in my view, the judiciary who have seriously dropped the ball in this arena and that's where the "fix" lies.

The latest Phil Spector trial is a great example. He had several million dollar lawyers on his side with unlimited resources who are adept at swaying juries. It's not that the prosecution didn't do a stellar job in that case because they did. But what chance would Joe Schmo have without that million dollar legal boost? Zilch. Nada. And keep in mind we're talking about a defendant who walked out of his house holding the murder weapon, with blood on his clothes and saying to his driver "I think I shot someone". Duhhhhh. And that get's a hung jury? Lucy, you got a lotta 'splainin' to do.

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Thank you for proving my

Thank you for proving my point. BTW, my sister and father are attorneys. I have a lot of respect for attorney's unlike many others here. But to quote you....

But what chance would Joe Schmo have without that million dollar legal boost? Zilch. Nada.

My point exactly. You get justice in direct proportion to how much money you spend. If you don't spend any money on an attorney and go to traffic court alone, you will get a different justice than you will if you have an attorney who knows what's going on with you.

A regular guy without a lot of money would never get the type of justice people like Spector and other celebrities get for one reason alone.......MONEY!

So the pledge should say...."with liberty and freedom for those who can afford it."

I have spent too many times in a court of law to not know this.

I love your comments though. Cops here can blatantly lie and get away with it. They are as bad as GW and his admin. As a result, I have no respect for police officers.

The only way you have justice these days is hire an attorney and fight like a dog....otherwise you are royally screwed. Judges? You are right on the money there as well. (gggg)

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"with liberty and freedom

"with liberty and freedom for those who can afford it."

The same can be said about health. If you're wealthy and can afford the best, you're in business. If you're not, well, you know. I recently heard a story (can't remember where at the moment) about a person in a hospital emergency room who was denied emergency treatment and, essentially, allowed to die. Why? Because the HMO she had wouldn't authorize treatment. If it was up to me, every ER person who had anything to do with her non treatment and who followed that "guidance" from the HMO would not only lose their license but would be jailed along with whoever at that HMO who made that decision.

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Bluesman...my original post

Bluesman...my original post was how everything precious in America....life...liberty...freedom apparently is now only for those who can afford it.

If you can't afford health insurance...you don't get life.

If you can't afford an attorney...you don't get justice or liberty.

Pretty soon it will be food and housing only for those who can afford the high price.

Courtesy of all those who voted for King George and his Republican henchmen!

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